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#401 Nate River

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:37 PM

Really good chapter.  A lot happened and yet nothing was resolved.


You and I are normally on the same page, but not this time. I think this chapter was one his worst. It's not mass-resurrection bad, but not for lack of trying.
 

About Orochimaru's team.  That Karin was taken to heal Tsunade -- no surprise.  Karin and Suigetsu still arguing -- no surprise.  That Karin is a damaged girl with masochistic tendencies who is still in love with Sasuke -- no surprise.  That Orochimaru is cooling his heels and willing to watch and see what happens with Sasuke?  Not much of a surprise, considering that Sasuke has always been his goal.


There is the usual, I hate Team Not Seven stuff and me not liking it when they do...well, anything. However, I understand they will continue to exist and that Suigetsu is one giant comedy sketch at this point. I'm in the minority, but I don't find him funny. Still, I generally don't let it determine the quality of a because he can't make me like them at this point.

If it had been Suigetsu just screwing around that it would be fine, but it's not.

This biggest issue I have with what you say about Karin is the same as before. Perhaps she is all those things, but if that's the case that is not the message he is sending or the character he is portraying. Seriously? She's embarassed to admit she likes Sasuke? Perhaps, she thinks none knows and I can't recall if she ever vocalized it to anyone. But, come on, she has to use the fact that he tried to murder her (and uses that word) as proof she doesn't like him and does so while (1) blushing and (2) in the midst of perhaps the most cliche' reaction in mordern entertainment when someone is called on feelings they think other don't know about.

The moment that was meant to show Sasuke's descent into darkness and one of the most callous acts he has ever committed is being used a joke. I'm sure she's really broken up about it and stuff...I guess. Hurting deep down. The real kicker is not that she utters it as a sad defense to the obvious, it's that he uses it the midst of the Suigetsu comedy hour. The statement was bad, but that context of the whole thing just absolutely kills it.

As for Tsunade...I have no issue with Orochimaru saving her. It's self-serving. If Obito and Madara win it's a loss for him. For those reading it as good...it's the same as good Sasuke. You know it won't last and he hasn't suddenly seen the light.

Now, I do take great issue with her survivial. As a general matter, I don't take issue with her surviving the battle, but the method...well, I am trying to think of the last time I read something so contrived. It's stuff like this that earned him his rep for being unable to kill people that weren't old, mooks, or villains.

If I were Neji, I would be having a cosmic hissy fit over this. I get run through by a spike and I'm totally done for in the few seconds it takes to make an inspiring speech. Sakura (based on subsqeunt events) doesn't appear that far away. But she doesn't activate her seal or summon a slug to try and save him? If Tsunade can surive being split in two with no lasting damage at least it was worth a shot, right?

But the real kicker is the rather fortuitious chain of events that saves her. In real life people experience lucky breaks all the time, sometimes many times in a row. It happens. However, in writing where the universe is 100% controlled such things raise eyesbrows and the longer the chain of luck the more people are ask to suspend disblief. They more of that that is asked, the harder it becomes to do. And that's where I am.

It sounds like without the Byakogou she'd be a dead duck. If you recall, it had been nearly used up before, but by a stroke of good timing Itachi just happens to disperse the edo tensei, Dan is somewhow able to pull a rabbit out of his rear and avoid being dispelled long enough to give closure (that the story really didn't need), and he gives her a power boost that does almsot nothing to help with the fight (they end up defeated and nearly dead anyway).

But because of that power boost she is able to have the energy to not only summon Katsuyu despiste massive bleading (and avoid going into shock), but keep her active to avoid dying until she is found by just the right person who can perform just the surgery she needs. And he's equiped with regenerative healer no less!. Oh yeah, she has enough enery to save everone else too and stand with apparently no ill effects from having split in too.

It. Was. Bad.

Did Sakura also someone Katsuyu or was that a typo and it's a different slug? If it was Katsuyu...so she summoned a piece when the slug was already summoned or something? And if that happened it didn't cause in adverse effects to Tsunade trying to keep herself and the Kage's alive, I guess?

Everything after the Team Oro nonsense was pretty good, and unless the entire Kakashi/Obito confrontation is going to be talk no jutsu, I am not ready to count Kakashi as dead yet. Besides, he needs his chance to cheat death in a spectacularly fortuitous way like Tsunade just did.

I mean who does Kishimoto think Kakashi is, Neji?

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:38 PM

LOL Look at it from Sasuke's point of view. He's willing to annihilate the very creatures that have caused a ton of damage to the ninja world. Fights for power of the beasts and such, and means for war. Destroying them in Sasuke's eyes is a good thing. If it comes down to having to take on both Bee and Naruto, it's quite possible that Sasuke won't view it as "backstabbing" but bettering the ninja world with the disposal of the creatures that many of the nations have wanted possession over. His ways are still quite corrupt. 

And there is the contrast between Naruto and Sasuke like Pain Sasuke is willing to sacrifice innocent for his idea of peace even Itachi said if you try to do everything on your own you will become another Tobi.

 

Plus The Bijuus were never the problem. It was the Shinobi who obsessed over having more power than other villages that were the problem. The tailed beasts seemed to be good-natured at first, judging by flashbacks featuring the Rikudo Sennin. But after so many decades if not hundreds of years of being hunted and feared, that they'd become bitter over the course of time and defensive whenever in the presence of a human shouldn't be surprising. Had the beasts been treated with respect rather than fear and loathing, I'm pretty certain things would've gone another way. I believe that's what Naruto wants to achieve as well. Killing the Bijuu wouldn't solve anything, especially since they'll simply keep coming back after they die.

It's also worth mentioning that throughout the Manga, the only time that we're shown a tailed beast attacking a village is when said beast was being controlled by a human. All other more historical cases were likely a Bijuu going out of control due to failings of the Jinchuuriki if not the Jinchuuriki him or herself.

 

So if Sasuke did pay attention to Hashirama's conversation and others advice he knows the Kyuubi was used against his own will, so again he is doing things on his ignoring that because of Naruto he and many others are still alive so him to turn back and back stab Naruto is something that can not be justified in any sense.

 

That's why Naruto will kick his a**.



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:45 PM

Given her amazing chakra control, she's able to utilize her chakra a lot better than most ninja so she can make herself a tank with just being able to dish out jutsu. Now that she has a storage room for her chakra, she's definitely capable of a lot more. Imagine if she gains a Slug Sage Mode. 

 

Anyway, as you've listed here, the jutsu she's already used in this battle speaks volumes, and her seal is still intact. She's healed the army, summoned Katsuya, and she doesn't look fazed at all. It's quite amazing actually. I think her stamina is at least at 4-5 in the databooks by now. When you look at the control she already has, it's something that should be praised. Throughout Part 2, she's healed, fought, and continuously stored chakra in that seal without fail. Our girl is quite something. 

What's amazing is that her growth rate is really fast. I got this from the Japanese forums comparing each rookie from three years before to the start of Shipppuuden. Sakura by far has the fastest growth rate when it comes to base capabilities.gPzTNPh.jpg

Btw, considering that each sage mode gains eyes similar to their sage summon, I think it's safe to say Hashirama is Slug Sage Mode. (Another poster I got from the Japanese forums.)

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:50 PM

Actually Sasuke's statement proved that he is right now just like Madara and tobi. The only difference is that he is trying to do it his way.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:54 PM

What's amazing is that her growth rate is really fast. I got this from the Japanese forums comparing each rookie from three years before to the start of Shipppuuden. Sakura by far has the fastest growth rate when it comes to base capabilities.

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That's another thing. Her base stats before were pretty poor compared to her class, so for her to gain such stats, and actually show versatility as a ninja is something to take note of also. In this was only in a 2 year period at that. It's a fact that she is a fast learner, and she's capable of  learning jutsu/techniques faster than most people under normal circumstances it would seem. In a two year time skip she was able to....

 

-Gain Medical skills, and given her accomplishments, she rivals Shizune who has been under Tsunade for years. I'd say another 2 years, and she'll rival Tsunade.

 

-Her taijutsu even saw tremendous growth, and with her newfound strength, I'd guesstimate that her taijutsu is at a 4 on the databook scale. 

 

-Analytical skills, and evasive skills. She can pick up on enemy movements without a sharingan, and her evasion is quite impressive also. :D

 

- Byakugo Seal. It's apparent that she learned the seal during the timeskip. She's only now gaining it so I guess we can throw this there also. :D This is an S ranked technique, and she was able to master it thus proving how amazing her control is. 

 

 

Sakura has come a long way in such a short period of time. She's definitely a top tier ninja at this point but what makes this even more of a feat is the fact that she's a normal girl from a normal family with no kekkei genkai or anything of the sort. She got where she is with nothing but hard work. 

 

When you look at it, it may not take her all that long to learn Slug Sage Mode if she ever trains for it. I'd actually love it if Tsunade pushes her to do so. 


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:23 PM

Looks like Kishi is about to resolve Sakura's feelings for Sasuke once and for all. He killed NH a certain with 631 we might be looking at the beginning of the end for SS.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:57 PM

What's amazing is that her growth rate is really fast. I got this from the Japanese forums comparing each rookie from three years before to the start of Shipppuuden. Sakura by far has the fastest growth rate when it comes to base capabilities.gPzTNPh.jpg

Btw, considering that each sage mode gains eyes similar to their sage summon, I think it's safe to say Hashirama is Slug Sage Mode. (Another poster I got from the Japanese forums.)

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Take a closer look at Hashirama and Katsuya's eyes they look nothing alike, with Katsuya's eye it ether has no iris or the iris and the pupil are the same color with no way to tell the difference between the two, while Hashirama's eye while in Sage Mode has both a pupil and iris that you can clearly so the difference in.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:13 PM

I don't think it's SSM either. I fairly believe his SM is unique to him, just as the Mokuton technique it's unique as well...


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:20 PM

Uhm I believe that there is one huge Katsuyu and Tsunade and Sakura can both summon a part of her. That's how they were two places at once. There was no typo, there is one slug and that is Katsuyu.

I highly doubt Hashirama has SSM, unless it was ever mentioned that Hashirama's SM is related to the slugs than I believe it's his own. I mean it's such a crucial detail for Kishi not to mention it. So I believe we haven't seen SSM yet

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:25 PM

Uhm I believe that there is one huge Katsuyu and Tsunade and Sakura can both summon a part of her. That's how they were two places at once. There was no typo, there is one slug and that is Katsuyu.

I highly doubt Hashirama has SSM, unless it was ever mentioned that Hashirama's SM is related to the slugs than I believe it's his own. I mean it's such a crucial detail for Kishi not to mention it. So I believe we haven't seen SSM yet

Exactly.

As I sad pages behind...it's only a Slug, that's probably HUGE. Only a part of Katsuyu back in part 1 was shown to be the size of Ichibi. So if she's already about that size and it's only a part, imagine the whole Katsuyu.

As for SSM, as you say, it's a big detail for Kishi not to add it/specify.

I fairly believe SSM is incoming and I hope it will be Sakura the one to show it. Otherwise, how she could ever surpass her master?


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:26 PM

Oh well, I'm going to bet on it being SSM. And if I lose, I'll put Orochimaru's lovely half-naked picture on my profile. 


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:28 PM

Oh well, I'm going to bet on it being SSM. And if I lose, I'll put Orochimaru's lovely half-naked picture on my profile. 

:lmao: that really cracked me up!

 

I was thinking...  takl from nf posted this

about kanji for byakugo

saukras mark on the forehead is written as 白豪 both in chap 632 and 634.
and according to ohana byakugo of tsunades power in this chap 635 is 百豪 same as in the chap 577.
so the kanjis werent typos.

豪 basically means bravery, balls, magnitude, dynamism, vigour and so forth.
白 is one(一) shoter than 百 in this case, maybe?

 

白 = white, snowy, etc...

don't you find a nice reference with the iron land arc? where sakura declared her love for naruto in a snowy place?


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:29 PM

Oh well, I'm going to bet on it being SSM. And if I lose, I'll put Orochimaru's lovely half-naked picture on my profile. 

Why punish us aswell then.
Anyway I see sage mode as belong to nature. There could be a hawk or dog sage mode so why not slug. even the juubi looked like it went some form of sage mode

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:31 PM

:lmao: that really cracked me up!

 

I was thinking...  takl from nf posted this

about kanji for byakugo

saukras mark on the forehead is written as 白豪 both in chap 632 and 634.
and according to ohana byakugo of tsunades power in this chap 635 is 百豪 same as in the chap 577.
so the kanjis werent typos.

豪 basically means bravery, balls, magnitude, dynamism, vigour and so forth.
白 is one(一) shoter than 百 in this case, maybe?

 

白 = white, snowy, etc...

don't you find a nice reference with the iron land arc? where sakura declared her love for naruto in a snowy place?

Hm? I don't find it being a reference to the iron land arc at all though  :confused:

I'm really curious as to why Kishi made the difference with 白and 百.

 

Why are you punishing us for your failure?

Because I'm butthurt like Sasuke. If I'm unhappy for my failure everybody should be unhappy too   :hm:


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:39 PM

ah the byakuguo again. don't worry tsunade is coming and will say something about it and we will see the difference.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:43 PM

Haha I'm sorry but I already mentioned it before in the thread.

The "Byakugou" in this chapter is Tsunade's 百豪 the Jutsu

Sakura's is 白豪 

 

I am also curious why he wanted them to be different with the same sounds. Some people think that it is only a minor issue but to me there is a lot behind it. 

 

豪 as I have said means inner strength. In Tsunade's case, it was immense healing (100 healings)


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:56 PM

Exactly.

As I sad pages behind...it's only a Slug, that's probably HUGE. Only a part of Katsuyu back in part 1 was shown to be the size of Ichibi. So if she's already about that size and it's only a part, imagine the whole Katsuyu.

As for SSM, as you say, it's a big detail for Kishi not to add it/specify.

I fairly believe SSM is incoming and I hope it will be Sakura the one to show it. Otherwise, how she could ever surpass her master?

I'm a user that usually go by the Manga and the manga lone, while SM would be a great technique for Sakura it was only reenforce that Jiraiya and perhaps Minato were the only ones that receive that focus, while Orochimaru and Sasuke has never being show working on it so in a way I believe that technique was made only for Naruto with the adition of the ass pull Kabuto did to use it.

 

If you are wondering how Sakura will surpass her Master.

Sakura

Keep in mind that Kakashi did wonder if Tsunade only teaches Sakura Medical ninjutsu and so he was already implying that Sakura learned more things from her teacher but just recently we find out about it since it was only speculation before..

And the part where he said that she will perhaps surpass Tsunade he was specifically talking about her Genjutsu skills.

Now if Tsunade does show that she has that ability of using SSM, then there is no doubt we might also see Sakura using it.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:58 PM

About the last page, i think they're still in a genjutsu.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 05:08 PM

I'm a user that usually go by the Manga and the manga lone, while SM would be a great technique for Sakura it was only reenforce that Jiraiya and perhaps Minato were the only ones that receive that focus, while Orochimaru and Sasuke has never being show working on it so in a way I believe that technique was made only for Naruto with the adition of the ass pull Kabuto did to use it.

 

If you are wondering how Sakura will surpass her Master.

Sakura

Keep in mind that Kakashi did wonder if Tsunade only teaches Sakura Medical ninjutsu and so he was already implying that Sakura learned more things from her teacher but just recently we find out about it since it was only speculation before..

And the part where he said that she will perhaps surpass Tsunade he was specifically talking about her Genjutsu skills.

Now if Tsunade does show that she has that ability of using SSM, then there is no doubt we might also see Sakura using it.

Well, genjutsu skills... a veery complicated one. We know she has an affinity to dispell it..

As for SSM the reason I think it will be shown on either of those two, it's because Shikkotsu forest was confirmed to be the place of the Slugs. When it SM, as we've seen, the user, so to speak, has one of the animal trinity next to him. Fukasaku, those snakes Kabuto used so it's only normal that IF Hashirama would've had a SSM he would've had a Slug nearby. But he didn't.
The ones who have are Sakura and Tsunade. The question is who is the one that's gonna use it.
Dunno, tbh, when it comes to Sakura, Kishi is really ambiguous...


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 05:24 PM

About the last page, i think they're still in a genjutsu.

 

I think so as well!

 

 

Btw, considering that each sage mode gains eyes similar to their sage summon, I think it's safe to say Hashirama is Slug Sage Mode. (Another poster I got from the Japanese forums.)

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This poster is very interesting to me because I do not know what the relationship of Hashirama's forehead symbol and the Haruno clan symbol? What is the meaning of it?

 

I do not believe Kishi has forgotten Sakura's genjutsu, although I see forums saying that it has been forgotten. That skill will come very useful to her and I think he will highlight it again. Soon.  :dance:


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