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[FrenchMyToast]

So I guess it's Kakashi's turn to Talk no Jutsu somebody, huh? I was getting kind of tired of all that Obito/Naruto back and forth BS.

[AnimeGirl_123]

So happy that Sakura showed up and when we see her she is thinking of Naruto. That's my girl! <3

Although now it's undeniable she will face Sasuke when he arrives.

Lets ride it out everyone.

[soraandven]

well it seems some nh fans are using the maybe im just being selfish text as proof for nh

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't mean to open a old wound but I have to agree with James. But here me out, from me, this is not about bashing a user or 2. It's about placing one character on a pedestal. My main issue is that no one should not be placed on the pedestal. Yes, I am happy Sakura is back with the concern of Naruto, but I'm not going all high and mighty to the point I will rub everyone in and say all developments for NH. Or at least not yet, but I did sense fear is growing and we're in volume chapter 1. That said people should not look one character above another, let alone a minor character. I always saw Hinata as another Shikamaru: a character will get more treatment than other in her team, only this one is possibly due to fans. Does it mean she is incredibly important? No. To her fans and her own developments, you can say yes, but the overall and main characters, no.

I find it ironic that the idea of NH is by the fans yet we the one who bring it and make it seem actually possible. Are we reading this manga for the sake of love? Can we not read this as friendship? Hell, that was the volume purpose to begin with. But no, since one character is a girl who loves the guy who don't love her happens to be the most significant pairing moment of all time. In terms of Hinata, romance or not, yeah, but that's all. Naruto couldn't care less in romance department with side characters. It's the same with Shikamaru, Naruto got helped from him, but to Naruto, will he replace Sasuke? Absolutely not. So you do the puzzle.

@reddragon88: It's about timing. If Kishi were to focus straight-on on the battle, it wouldn't look that way. I already said that the next time we come back, the main characters will get the focus and so far, I'm not wrong yet. It could change or anything could come along the way, but for now, it seems right. Also, it's possible that the blast by Juubi can wipe a lot of people to the point there's very few. Think Chikara how everyone miraculously disappear after a blast. But we have to wait and see. Other than that, I'm tired arguing against people saying she only appear because of Sasuke. Yeah, I see she talks about him too. Ok...whatever. Oh I agree, an interaction of SS will happen but a moment.....yeah, well we have to wait on that. If Madara leaves for Hashirama, well, so much for that, but anything can change. We'll see soon enough.

[rocci]

I don't mean to open a old wound but I have to agree with James. But here me out, from me, this is not about bashing a user or 2. It's about placing one character on a pedestal. My main issue is that no one should not be placed on the pedestal. Yes, I am happy Sakura is back with the concern of Naruto, but I'm not going all high and mighty to the point I will rub everyone in and say all developments for NH. Or at least not yet, but I did sense fear is growing and we're in volume chapter 1. That said people should not look one character above another, let alone a minor character. I always saw Hinata as another Shikamaru: a character will get more treatment than other in her team, only this one is possibly due to fans. Does it mean she is incredibly important? No. To her fans and her own developments, you can say yes, but the overall and main characters, no.

I find it ironic that the idea of NH is by the fans yet we the one who bring it and make it seem actually possible. Are we reading this manga for the sake of love? Can we not read this as friendship? Hell, that was the volume purpose to begin with. But no, since one character is a girl who loves the guy who don't love her happens to be the most significant pairing moment of all time. In terms of Hinata, romance or not, yeah, but that's all. Naruto couldn't care less in romance department with side characters. It's the same with Shikamaru, Naruto got helped from him, but to Naruto, will he replace Sasuke? Absolutely not. So you do the puzzle.

@reddragon88: It's about timing. If Kishi were to focus straight-on on the battle, it wouldn't look that way. I already said that the next time we come back, the main characters will get the focus and so far, I'm not wrong yet. It could change or anything could come along the way, but for now, it seems right. Also, it's possible that the blast by Juubi can wipe a lot of people to the point there's very few. Think Chikara how everyone miraculously disappear after a blast. But we have to wait and see. Other than that, I'm tired arguing against people saying she only appear because of Sasuke. Yeah, I see she talks about him too. Ok...whatever. Oh I agree, an interaction of SS will happen but a moment.....yeah, well we have to wait on that. If Madara leaves for Hashirama, well, so much for that, but anything can change. We'll see soon enough.

I predict the next chapters about kakashi and obito fight with many flashback and dialog between them.

[HauntedCake]

@James
I change my mind, I don't think I will bother anymore.

My Rating went from 5 to three because some don't agree with my opinion when I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, honestly this is becoming too damn stressful is not fun anymore.
If people want to blindly believe in NS they are welcome, I will choose to reaming positive while accepting reality.


Is Sad to see all the respect I had for members here is completely banish by now.

Bolded: agreed. This is how i feel, as much as i want NS to happen i won't allow myself to be blinded from the reality of the manga.

[rocci]

Bolded: agreed. This is how i feel, as much as i want NS to happen i won't allow myself to be blinded from the reality of the manga.

What the reality of manga? Can you explain it to me

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Technically he was saying that other ppl call her that but it's not like he denied it. Enough about Sawyer though.

I agree, I think that Sakura is going to help him in some way because she is the only one who notices that he is beginning to falter. Since Naruto is wheezing, we know that he can't keep this up much longer. The other thing is the Kages, they have been destroyed for about 20-25 chapters now so perhaps she will help them. I'm not sure about Minato arriving right away though, only because the teleportation jutsu thing requires a special mark.

I wish i could know why they ship SS?
When Sakura is not the only one, there's Ino and now Karin who's more close to Sasuke, i dont understand.
There are three girls that "loves" him, also dont fit my mind how can you be a Sakura fan and ship SS.

[HauntedCake]

What the reality of manga? Can you explain it to me

I'm saying that i'm taking things as they are on the page(no longer adding my bias NS opinion to a chapter). speculation and opinions seem to be mixed into a newly released chapter to bend the truth to a certain fanbases favour, if you understand what i mean. I just won't allow myself to get all excited about NS hints and then get trolled by kishi. It hurts when we get our hopes up just to get trolled by kishi

Edited by HauntedCake, 24 April 2013 - 11:35 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Bolded: agreed. This is how i feel, as much as i want NS to happen i won't allow myself to be blinded from the reality of the manga.

Yeah aside from the little NS moment i didnt liked the chapter overall specially Naruto, i felt that he was entitled to his own opinion(despite only proving what Obito was saying all the time) while Obito only wanted Naruto to give him an honest answer.
I felt disappointed there, Naruto was still a kid and think that was the difference between Naruto and Sasuke now.

For me on this chapter, Naruto proved two things, first that all the chapter 610 to 617 are useless and can easily be ignored, and second that Naruto would surely become like Obito and the difference is that he aimed for the wrong person.

Notes:
*Obito went to fight Kakashi because he knew Naruto would not convince him and he didnt wanted to wast more time against Naruto who despite being wrong was entitled to his own opinion.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 April 2013 - 11:40 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I'm saying that i'm taking things as they are on the page(no longer adding my bias NS opinion to a chapter). speculation and opinions seem to be mixed into a newly released chapter to bend the truth to a certain fanbases favour, if you understand what i mean. I just won't allow myself to get all excited about NS hints and then get trolled by kishi. It hurts when we get our hopes up just to get trolled by kishi

Getting trolled? You must be talking about NH and SS fans.

Darkrerst@ isn't it obvious why they ship SS for the sake that NH becomes canon. There can't be no NH without SS and vice versa. Sawyer only ship said pairing because he's a NH fan.

Edited by Gravenimage, 24 April 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Well, on one hand Sawyer7mage at least acknowledges Sakura's presence in this chapter, on the other he tries the best he can to downplay her lines of concern towards Naruto by calling them irrelevant since Minato will make everything alright with the other half of the kyuubi's chakra. And as expected he says that she only appeared because of Sasuke's previous appearance.

Seriously, it's like people choose to forget that whether Naruto and Sakura end up together or not they have a significant bond with each other. You can bet that if it was Hinata worrying about Naruto that he would've gone 10 whole minutes about how great she was for thinking about his wellbeing.

And don't worry, I'm not saying Sawyer shouldn't give out his opinion, he has the right to do so. But I will also give my opinion on what annoys me regarding others reviews.

We don't even know if Minato is bringing Kurama's chakra with him, and we don't know to what extent it could help Naruto. We also don't know when exactly will Minato arrive to the battle so Naruto will probably have to deal with the juubi without him for a while.

It seriously baffles me how he can easily dismiss a potential foreshadowing of Sakura helping Naruto, and yet he makes a big deal out of Naruto saying "Hinata" in the chapter that Neji died.

Do people still listen to that guy?
So what if Minato is bringing Kurama's chakra? That doesn't actually help Naruto, of course it will make Kurama more powerful which in turn makes Naruto more powerful but it won't really help him. Naruto's body is not capable of controlling all that power while protecting everyone else. What Naruto needs is someone to help him with his body and guess who that is.

[Chatte]

I actually see in a positive light that Naruto didn't get the speeches in 615 and the others. Why? Because the one who will make him understand, once and for all, might be Sakura because she knows him best. Have you guys thought at that? Rememeber Itachi and Sakura's lines which were similar? Yes, he acknowledged his friends, but he still doesn't let them fight, in a way and maybe this is where Sakura's "no matter what you say we will fight together, all of us" line, will come to fruition and he'll finally understand, once and for all, that he is not alone and needs to let others do their job as well.

Edited by Chatte, 24 April 2013 - 01:11 PM.

[Don-kun]

@Chatte
I love that idea, it looks very possible.

@Nostradamus
I Agree completely forget about Naruto stressed body.

I'm saying that i'm taking things as they are on the page(no longer adding my bias NS opinion to a chapter). speculation and opinions seem to be mixed into a newly released chapter to bend the truth to a certain fanbases favour, if you understand what i mean. I just won't allow myself to get all excited about NS hints and then get trolled by kishi. It hurts when we get our hopes up just to get trolled by kishi

Here is the thing it cannot be denied that Kishimoto has a lot of fun confusing the readers, he himself acknowledge all the speculation readers have regarding Tobi, but my faith in NS is still the same the part that confuses and anger me is that NS is unavoidable but Kishimoto is going out of his way to avoid NS interaction, avoid Sakura>>>>Naruto and Naruto>>>>Sakura thoughts, until the pattern was broken by Sakura this chapter.

What I meant by trolling in this chapter, was in regard of Sakura single panel during Hinata speech, Sakura not featuring in the group shot, or her notable disappearance for no specific reason more than the Author not wanting to draw her instead of her being a surprise attack.

And what I meant by blindly believing in NS, is by me denying Hinata romantic hint by calling it development and nothing else or believing Sakura and Sasuke would not have a mindful interaction, if you notice I don't associate NH or SS possibility unless Kishimoto wants to force it on the readers.

NS is the most obvious pairing since chapter 3 no fan can truthfully deny the development between Naruto and Sakura, so I don't believe we are the ones bending the truth to favor our fan base.

Edited by Don-kun, 24 April 2013 - 01:24 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@James
I change my mind, I don't think I will bother anymore.

My Rating went from 5 to three because some don't agree with my opinion when I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, honestly this is becoming too damn stressful is not fun anymore.
If people want to blindly believe in NS they are welcome, I will choose to reaming positive while accepting reality.


Is Sad to see all the respect I had for members here is completely banish by now.

I still respect you a lot. I know you have your opinion and I don't know what you said earlier, but my post was addressing anyone rather pointing fingers. My point was that everyone are equal. I don't like how we unintentional place Hinata on a pedestal at times or even Sasuke, while yes Kishi does so but he is a main character as well as has a character of upcoming redemption, so it's why we are experiencing him this way. Naruto is good to go. I guess I want to say is enjoy the ride and don't think too ahead as the manga can change the direction as it goes on. For all we know, Madara may just say, "Beast is your problem now. Bye!" since he got excited for Hashirama. Heck, the beast could be very busy with the alliance as Naruto probably won't notice Sasuke unless he does a bunshin and he will be the only to find out that Sasuke is here. Anything can happen. Let's not get confidence in our prediction and just, well predict.

[Don-kun]

@ NaruSaku4Life3g
That's OK don't worry about it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Chatte
I love that idea, it looks very possible.

@Nostradamus
I Agree completely forget about Naruto stressed body.



Here is the thing it cannot be denied that Kishimoto has a lot of fun confusing the readers, he himself acknowledge all the speculation readers have regarding Tobi, but my faith in NS is still the same the part that confuses and anger me is that NS is unavoidable but Kishimoto is going out of his way to avoid NS interaction, avoid Sakura>>>>Naruto and Naruto>>>>Sakura thoughts, until the pattern was broken by Sakura this chapter.

What I meant by trolling in this chapter, was in regard of Sakura single panel during Hinata speech, Sakura not featuring in the group shot, or her notable disappearance for no specific reason more than the Author not wanting to draw her instead of her being a surprise attack.

And what I meant by blindly believing in NS, is by me denying Hinata romantic hint by calling it development and nothing else or believing Sakura and Sasuke would not have a mindful interaction, if you notice I don't associate NH or SS possibility unless Kishimoto wants to force it on the readers.

NS is the most obvious pairing since chapter 3 no fan can truthfully deny the development between Naruto and Sakura, so I don't believe we are the ones bending the truth to favor our fan base.

This is the part where it disgress it's not "denying or not calling" is pointing out reasons, you do not simply say that you're different by saying i call it a romantic hint instead of development or whatever, you didnt pointed reasons on the parts you are claiming that you're different than the others.
I call it development because i have reasons to do so it's not because i "blindly believe" on NS.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 April 2013 - 01:31 PM.

[Akashi]

Seems like during the fight Naruto won't have much time to talk with Minato... but when they defeat Jyuubi & Madara I wanna see some dad and son conversation. About girlfriends & stuff...

i wish i wish

[Chatte]

@Don-kun. Thanks!
If you guys remember, when the whole alliance engaged Juubi we asked ourselves what Sakura's speech in 573 mean will have if they already did it, however, they didn't fight all. It was just Naruto and Lee kicking Obito/Madara. And I bet that if Naruto wouldn't have given Lee the cloak, he wouldn't have let him do it.
He is still the same. HE said he will trust the others, however, he still does things on his own. The only thing he acknowledged by now is that yes, you lose friends, but you'll have their memories with you all the time. But as I've seen him, he still tries to do everything on his own and protect everyone. And this is where Sakura's speech will come to play. She'll knock some senses into him, when the right time comes.

Edited by Chatte, 24 April 2013 - 01:43 PM.

[Don-kun]

This is the part where it disgress it's not "denying or not calling" is pointing out reasons, you do not simply say that you're different by saying i call it a romantic hint instead of development or whatever, you didnt pointed reasons on the parts you are claiming that you're different than the others.
I call it development because i have reasons to do so it's not because i "blindly believe" on NS.

I didn't say I was different I said I will not deny things that are obvious to the readers.
615 was a huge Hinata development at the expense of other characters, like Naruto for example, he was completely useless when 4 chapters before he was a beast with some amazing powers so her development was kind of force, but that's not my point, Hinata was finally able to to see her self equal to Naruto and do something for him, the romantic hint was her stroking his cheek, and her comment after he held her hand, if Kishimoto wanted to show that Hinata was over Naruto then he would go a different way about it, don't you think?

@Don-kun. Thanks!
If you guys remember, when the whole alliance engaged Juubi we asked ourselves what Sakura's speech in 573 mean will have if they already did it, however, they didn't fight all. It was just Naruto and Lee kicking Obito/Madara. And I bet that if Naruto wouldn't have given Lee the cloak, he wouldn't have let him do it.
He is still the same. HE said he will trust the others, however, he still does things on his own. The only thing he acknowledged by now is that yes, you lose friends, but you'll have their memories with you all the time. But as I've seen him, he still tries to do everything on his own and protect everyone. And this is where Sakura's speech will come to play. She'll knock some senses into him, when the right time comes.

Yes and to make your point even more clear Obito specifically ask him why he is trying so hard to protect his friends.

Men I cannot believe that my disappointment with the way Kishimoto downplayed Sakura importance in this chapter blinded me from seeing so many good points.

Edited by Don-kun, 24 April 2013 - 01:50 PM.