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[dragonflyx11]

Oh, Part 1...good times. Very good times.
Back then it was more about the and less about the .

amen to that, i loved naruto so much back then an H&E was by far my fav site. i miss the days when naruto wasnt so sasuke obsessed, i miss my favorite character -hokage driven young naruto-

[Don-kun]

This this this this this! Nothing validates the way this individual was treated, and it seems like no matter what, people are still trying to validate it.

@Don, you're definitely trying to validate your actions.

My actions?
Come again, honestly what are you talking about, I question the fan reason one time since I only see them in NH times of glory but even so we have conversation and non of we were rude to each other plus I end up liking his view because he was open minded about it and we both agree that anything could happen.
There was no NH will never happen or NS will never happen between us and that's how I like it.

Edited by Don-kun, 27 March 2013 - 08:18 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Chapter is out!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Nothing wrong with hoping. Denial: Noun
The action of declaring something to be untrue: "she shook her head in denial".
The refusal of something requested or desired.
If NaruSaku happens then it happens. I'm just leaning towards the other side. Nothing is canon till it happens.


Lol, no, that's a bunch of bullcr*p. It's sweet and romantic, but forever doesn't exist. Especially for people who will never feel it or have ever experienced it. You seem to be listing more on grieving characters and lost love. Clearly Obitos love for Rin is healthy. </b>Clearly Jiraiya's love is an unfulfilled one. More regret than anything else. I think you should take a sociology class and reevaluate your definition of love. Just because you love someone doesn't mean much really. As I said, it's not about moving on. Things happen, feelings fade. And that is normal. If they don't someone is just in a loop of insanity and denial also obsession.



That's not love. It really isn't. That is just a codependency from people who have low self-esteem. It's unhealthy, especially if the actions become unhealthy and obsessive. If it happens, I hope it's not because of that. And hell, I could say this about Hinata in her earlier days. But it has shown that she has grown and developed in a positive way.



X) Should enjoy what you have. And really whatever happens will be good as long as the writing is good.



Moriarty is the name, not really a fan. Just having some fun.
High school sweetheart then. No, old bonds don't easily go away, I'm not saying that at all. And I'm not underestimating her. We already know where Sakura stands, she "loves" Sasuke. But while that is going on, Naruto can still tighten his bonds with others. Since we are using real world perspective to analyze this ... for example I loved my childhood friends. Still love them but I have stronger bonds with my new friends, and I love them tons more.
Going back on his word? I think not, saying he loved her and then loving someone else doesn't mean he went back on his word. Why should he be tied to someone who said they like somebody else? That's torture.
Maybe we see it the same way, but I don't think it's for the same reason.

This is the reason why i dont debate with NH/SS/whatever
I post examples of the manga i post reasons for Naruto to not move on the response is : "that's a bunch of bullcrap."
Arguments 0.

Instead of telling other to have sociology class, go read Naruto's manga, i dont see normal for someome who knows that the girl you love loves another guy and still loves her for too long like a lot of years, i dont see normal for someome who loves a guy that tried to kill you two times, and moreover i dont see normal for you to change feelings just when you're most close to that person you love, this logic does not make sense.
Dont try to bring reality to the manga, Naruto is not place like highschool were you can move on quickly on your feelings Jiraiya did have regrets but his regret was the fact that he could never be with Tsunade not "i should had move on", they have reasons and tons of reasons to move on while Naruto doesnt and still they loved them forever, the only character that demonstrated that could change feelings is Sakura.



Naruto and Sakura relationship is healthy something that you wanted to post otherwise, like Obito and Rin this is the reason why i dont see Naruto moving on, and also he would come back on his words because he worked so hard to make Sakura love him back just to when his most close to achieve it give up and decide to be with another girl.
This is your pairing and nonetheless, there's nothing sweet or romantic a pairing that is centered on one character only which is Hinata, there's no development for Naruto, there's no personal gain or some personal lesson for him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 10:27 AM.

[rocci]

Well nh is canon

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well nh is canon

Joke?

[PhenixElite]

This is the reason why i dont debate with NH/SS/whatever
I post examples of the manga i post reasons for Naruto to not move on the response is : "that's a bunch of bullcrap."
Arguments 0.

Instead of telling other to have sociology class, go read Naruto's manga, i dont see normal for someome who knows that the girl you love loves another guy and still loves her for too long like a lot of years, i dont see normal for someome who loves a guy that tried to kill you two times, and moreover i dont see normal for you to change feelings just when you're most close to that person you love, this logic does not make sense.
Naruto and Sakura relationship is healthy something that you wanted to post otherwise, like Obito and Rin this is the reason why i dont see Naruto moving on, and also he would come back on his words because he worked so hard to make Sakura love him back just to when his most close to achieve it give up and decide to be with another girl.
This is your pairing and nonetheless, there's nothing sweet or romantic a pairing that is centered on one character only which is Hinata, there's no development for Naruto, there's no personal gain or some personal lesson for him.

Have to agree with you there.

[rocci]

Joke?

Yup ^^

But I don't know about the other

[kidNinja]

I haven't logged on in a few months and (aside from reading 625) the first thing I see are people once again jumping the gun and having a meltdown just because they're on the cover together. Weren't Naruto and Sakura on many covers together?


Also, until they kiss and make love, then no pairing (not even NaruSaku) is canon.

[Akashi]

And let's not forget that the idea is new generation surpassing the old, i.e. saving friends from the darkness, bringing peace to the world, ending up with the girl you love, etc.

Edited by Tauriel, 27 March 2013 - 10:12 AM.

[HauntedCake]

I havent been on since last night. I come on and read from page 8 - 22 and i'm appauled at what happened to that NH fan who came here with good intentions to debate and what do we do? Attack him??

I'm no saint, i have come out and said some bad things about NH and SS pairings but never to NH or SS fan themselves.

We have embarrased ourselves tonight/this morning by provoking ourselves and aggrovating each other. That's right, that NH member didn't taunt us at all, we all just assumed he was here to cause trouble because he doesn't ship NS.

We haven't had a NS moment (Disregarding Rtn) for years in the manga and Kishi has trolled us over and over again, with the unanswered questions the confession and 5 kage arc gave us. We have become impatient and easily aggrovated for no reason. The manga isn't finished, NS has had romantic moments and we assume it's game over already??

I've had a feeling that we think as a whole we are better behaved then other fanbases when we have shown we are not.

[FoolishYoungling]

I think I'm okay with this handholding scene now. Let me break it down why I think Kishimoto is doing what he is doing.

In an interview not too long ago, he said that he wanted both Sakura and Hinata to get a chance with Naruto. Now, he has given NaruHina fans a hand holding scene, but he gave us NaruSaku fans a hugging scene. Both of them were done in front of a large crowd. In the Hand holding, Hinata was loving it, and in the hug, Naruto was loving it. As for Sakura hugging Naruto or Naruto holding Hinata's hand, while both could be seen as love, they were probably just a little more about friendship.

What do I believe? I believe that Naruto will have to choose between the two of them. It will be mostly even, but Naruto will choose Sakura. After all, Kushina pretty much told him to do just that.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 27 March 2013 - 10:32 AM.

[六道仙人]

21 page about a cover? This really openes your old wounds uh...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I havent been on since last night. I come on and read from page 8 - 22 and i'm appauled at what happened to that NH fan who came here with good intentions to debate and what do we do? Attack him??

I'm no saint, i have come out and said some bad things about NH and SS pairings but never to NH or SS fan themselves.

We have embarrased ourselves tonight/this morning by provoking ourselves and aggrovating each other. That's right, that NH member didn't taunt us at all, we all just assumed he was here to cause trouble because he doesn't ship NS.

We haven't had a NS moment (Disregarding Rtn) for years in the manga and Kishi has trolled us over and over again, with the unanswered questions the confession and 5 kage arc gave us. We have become impatient and easily aggrovated for no reason. The manga isn't finished, NS has had romantic moments and we assume it's game over already??

I've had a feeling that we think as a whole we are better behaved then other fanbases when we have shown we are not.

DIdnt he started saying things that Naruto didnt loved Sakura romantically?, he went to the thread and started debating NH vs NS, it's obvious that he would receive replies and he joined this thread specifically.
Second his reply to me attacking me instead of my arguments, saying things that i never experienced love on my life and telling me to do sociology classes.

With an arguments with "Double standard"- > Obito and rin relationship is healthy therefore Obito should not move on implying that Naruto and Sakura are unhealthy and Naruto should move.
"Attacking the person not the argument" -> You never experienced love on your life.
"Claiming that has more knowledge" -> Do sociology class.
"Attaking the person and not the argument" again -> ..." someome is just on a loop of insanity and denial also obsession."

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 10:35 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I don't think it's about moving on from one to another. We aren't talking about freight trains. Naruto and Sakura have a relationship. Naruto and Hinata also have a relationship, and are developed separately. I'm sure he loves Sakura, but I doubt that it's the romantic kind. Maybe there is some, maybe not. But nothing is forever. Like Sakura's love for Sasuke, which is completely unhealthy and she is living in world of lies... ANYWAYS, as Sakura may always have a place in his heart as a childhood sweetheart, I believe that NaruHina is a blooming relationship gathered from loyalty, trust and all the good stuff.

You're really sure Naruto doesn't love Sakura in the romantic kind??? Riiiight whatever floats your boat.

[HauntedCake]

DIdnt he started saying things that Naruto didnt loved Sakura romantically?, he went to the thread and started debating NH vs NS, it's obvious that he would receive replies and he joined this thread specifically.
Second his reply to me attacking me instead of my arguments, saying things that i never experienced love on my life and telling me to do sociology classes.

With an arguments with "Double standard"- > Obito and rin relationship is healthy therefore Obito should not move on implying that Naruto and Sakura are unhealthy and Naruto should move.
"Attacking the person not the argument" -> You never experienced love on your life.
"Claiming that has more knowledge" -> Do sociology class.

In fairness if he did say Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore then we should of asked him to provide evidence and let him bring his points to the table. Instead we all attack him like animals???

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

In fairness if he did say Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore then we should of asked him to provide evidence and let him bring his points to the table. Instead we all attack him like animals???

He didnt provided any evidence, i didnt attacked him i attacked his arguments and he go to another level, if he claimed that Naruto didnt loves Sakura romantically he should had provided the evidence instead of "it's normal emotions fade and other's grow".

On a normal debate no one has to wait for another person to provide proof if he claims something on the same post he has to post why he believes that and the pages of the manga or whatever that support his claim.

The same thing that i did when i said that NaruHina is dead, i told that and showed my claims and manga's proof and he simply ignored and run away from the debate.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 10:41 AM.

[PhenixElite]

I think I'm okay with this handholding scene now. Let me break it down why I think Kishimoto is doing what he is doing.

In an interview not too long ago, he said that he wanted both Sakura and Hinata to get a chance with Naruto. Now, he has given NaruHina fans a hand holding scene, but he gave us NaruSaku fans a hugging scene. Both of them were done in front of a large crowd. In the Hand holding, Hinata was loving it, and in the hug, Naruto was loving it. As for Sakura hugging Naruto or Naruto holding Hinata's hand, while both could be seen as love, they were probably just a little more about friendship.

What do I believe? I believe that Naruto will have to choose between the two of them. It will be mostly even, but Naruto will choose Sakura. After all, Kushina pretty much told him to do just that.

I dont think that he really needs to choose. He was shown to love sakura since chapter 3. To choose he needs to have feelings for both, but that doesnt seem to be the case. As long as you dont find a panel that shows naruto developing feelings for hinata of course.

In fairness if he did say Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore then we should of asked him to provide evidence and let him bring his points to the table. Instead we all attack him like animals???

Bad timing for a NH to debathe, when the thread explodes dont you think?

[redragon88]

Dear me, 21 pages. I haven't really read much of this, nor do I plan to. It would take way too much time.

I think I'm okay with this handholding scene now. Let me break it down why I think Kishimoto is doing what he is doing.

In an interview not too long ago, he said that he wanted both Sakura and Hinata to get a chance with Naruto. Now, he has given NaruHina fans a hand holding scene, but he gave us NaruSaku fans a hugging scene. Both of them were done in front of a large crowd. In the Hand holding, Hinata was loving it, and in the hug, Naruto was loving it. As for Sakura hugging Naruto or Naruto holding Hinata's hand, while both could be seen as love, they were probably just a little more about friendship.

What do I believe? I believe that Naruto will have to choose between the two of them. It will be mostly even, but Naruto will choose Sakura. After all, Kushina pretty much told him to do just that.

Really? I don't recall such an interview, it seems way too direct and we all know that Kishi's style is to be vague as hell.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I dont think that he really needs to choose. He was shown to love sakura since chapter 3. To choose he needs to have feelings for both, but that doesnt seem to be the case. As long as you dont find a panel that shows naruto developing feelings for hinata of course.

A blushing is enough but we didnt even got it not even a single panel of him thinking about Hinata, this is the reason why how can someome claims that Naruto has moved on when there's no manga proof that he did that.
We can claim that Sakura has feelings for Naruto and we have manga proof to support this different than "feelings fade and other grow it's normal".

Dear me, 21 pages. I haven't really read much of this, nor do I plan to. It would take way too much time.


Really? I don't recall such an interview, it seems way too direct and we all know that Kishi's style is to be vague as hell.

He only said that Hinata would have a chance to confess not a chance with Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 10:45 AM.