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[James S Cassidy]

well i agree with most of ur opinions and points about narusaku but the only reason I thought chapter 540 ............(cut short to save space).............
I think now I won't really say much about chapter 540 even if it still kind of bugs me! Thanks for this post of urs! It really helped me get my hopes up again for narusaku!

I understand your fears, but for me, I half expected Sakura to be thinking of Sasuke a little while longer. I know this sounds weird, but hang with me for a second. Sakura's love development is one of the mini-stories in this manga. While the manga is not based around love, it is a part of it. The fact that we get to see Sakura's thoughts change and how she feels is something that is great about the development.

The scene with the lover-nin is the part of the story where she starts to realize things about what she wants. The Lover-nin said "The one you love must be a great guy." Me and you both know that Sasuke is not a great guy and Sakura knows this all too well now. We have to see her get passed the feelings of Sasuke and we have to see her get understand truth that what she thought it is not true. She thinks about Sasuke because she is re-thinking him as a character. This is the part of the manga where Sakura is accepting the truths she has learned and it is a tough time for her. She firsts have to go through accepting that what she thought was a lie in itself and she needs to find a real truth. That truth is that Naruto is the one she truly loves.

I once saw a TV show while babysitting. I don't remember what the show was, but it had the same situation where one girl loved two people. In the story, she couldn't decide who she wanted to be with and she put off on her feelings. Every where she went, thoughts ran through her mind. I remember people talking about love saying "You should be the person who makes you the happiest," "he should be a great guy," "He should love and support you no matter what." She kept playing these things in her mind and thinking about this one guy who she was dating at the time. She kept thinking about it, and kept realizing that the guy she is dating is not that great of a guy. He wasn't willing to do anything for her. He wasn't making her the happiest she could be. She eventually broke up with him and went with the guy who really did love and appreciate her.

I think it is the same here. Sakura is thinking about Sasuke as a person. He doesn't make her happy. He doesn't understand her and he doesn't care. In Chapter 573, while not a romantic NaruSaku moment, she is rethinking it all in her mind. Naruto has always been there for her. Always tried his best to make her happy. Always protecting her. These thoughts are now running through her mind now and it will hit her. I am curious on what she will think when she sees Naruto again. When she sees him fighting again against a tough enemy who is trying to steal him away, she will be thinking something.

If I could predict what will happen, I have to say that a big NS moment is about to happen when Sakura catches up to Naruto that will blow chapter 540 out of the water. Many will not like it and I feel the whole internet is going to explode on that day, but it will happen. He is going to need some healing when this is over and guess who is going to be the healer? This is why Kishi made Sakura a medic. She not only heals him physically, but emotionally as well. I predict she will heal everything that troubles Naruto and this is when she realizes what makes her the happiest. This is the heroine that Kishi is speaking of. This is where her heroine like qualities will shine the best.

It's something only she can do. Hinata can't heal what she doesn't know and she doesn't understand the whole thing between Sasuke and Naruto like Sakura can. I have played every scenario in my head. Trying to see every possible way there could be and this is how I see the story best ended. I don't expect this whole process to be a quick one. I actually expect this to last from 540 to probably near the end of the manga. I have strong belief the battle between Sasuke and Naruto will be the time when Sakura finally gives us her choice. Where Kishi finally tells us who is the canon pairing and finally wraps up every problem Naruto and Sakura have had up to that point.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 April 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[Don-kun]

I don't think the first point is valid at all! the greatest thing he might do is give naruto his eyes in the end before dying(if he is going to die) to fight 10 tails! As for rest of ur post above ur mentioned points, I HATE YOU for making me lose my hope(not much but not less also) in narusaku again ! I mean if she still have more romantic feelings towards sasuke than towards Naruto then it is better that she dies! I don't want naruto seeing sakura go with any other person! and also if she stil lloves sasuke and the chapter 540 thing was a PRO-SS moment then i don't think NS should happen(even though i will want it to happen) but then it will be just like naruto chosing hinata whereas he still will have more romantic feelings towards sakura! That kind of relationship can only hurt the person in real life! I want her to chose naruto only if she loves him more than sasuke in each and every way!

Why Sakura will think of Sasuke and not Naruto in 540, that's mostly because of Naruto. Naruto blow her off and he is not been honest with himself with her, she also ask him that if he doesn't like her just say so and he didn't say yes or no.

I hate SS
But if you look at the relationship part there is something very clear. We all know that Sakura likes Sasuke, but Sasuke doesn't like her that way.

Naruto like Sakura and there is a chance that Sakura may return his feelings.

But lets focus more on the moments that are sweet and touching.

Naruto saves Sakura agains Gaara and we see the she look she gave him after Sasuke told her the truth, we also see how she was with Lee after the forest of death and we also see what she did after Naruto save all off them from Pain.

Sasuke is an idi*t, but there is the forehead complement, the genjutsu complement, the way he protect her in the forest of death agains Orochimaru, the way he got piss when the sound four guy hurt Sakura and there is the thank you scene after her confession.

Sai told her that Naruto really loves her and we all see there was no Sasuke in Sakura's mind, after all the Rookie stated that they were planing in killing him She could only think about Naruto, but When she try to help Naruto he tell her "I Hate people that lie to themself "

What I'm trying to say here? is that Naruto alone hurts his chances with Sakura, so is easy to see why she st*pidly think of Sasuke after he try to kill her. Naruto always brainwashing Sakura, he cannot live without Sasuke and he wants Sakura to think the same way. He doesn't give her the right to be with someone els, she most only think about Sasuke and he keep telling her not to lose faith in Sasuke.

Sakura believes in Naruto, and Naruto have faith in Sasuke so is obvious why she will still think in Sasuke that way.
But the love letter guy for the 1st time give her a wake up call and allow her to think about that guy she love and think about her self that was the only time Sakura start thinking about her romantic feeling for Sasuke in a negative light.

IMHO If Naruto would complement Sakura sometimes or say something sweet to her there would be some different (example chapter 245), Sakura may know that Naruto likes her, but she never imagine his love was so deep and when she try to do something about it, he blow her off.
Look at chapert 261 when she was worry about him been a Jinchuriki, the Yamato speech, Sai question, the ramen scene, the 4 tail scene, if you check those scenes her behavior towards Naruto isn't normal.
Whe know how Sakura feels about Naruto, but Naruto doesn't know and he don't want to know either.

The other Problem is that Naruto has never tell Sakura how important she his to him he doesn't need to tell her that he loves her but he can makes Sakura feel special, but he admitted with Sasuke, he told Sasuke that if he die, he will die with him too. And what Sasuke ask him,?what the f is wrong with you.

Think about it, when Sasuke try to kill Sakura what was Naruto's reaction? But When Sai insulted Sasuke how did Naruto behave?

[TerrorKing]

I wouldn't really say that Sakura isn't aware of how important she is to Naruto. For example when he saved her from Gaara back in part one. That part alone should give her a pretty clear image of just how much she means to him. He did also got pretty upset at Sasuke after he tried to kill her in the Land of Iron.

I think the real problem is that Sakura thinks that Sasuke is more important than she is, to the point where he doesn't care if the whole world gets destroyed. As long as he can save Sasuke, it's all good and if he can't save him, then he'll just die with him. A sort of "If I can't have him, then nobody can" mentality.

So if anything, I think Sakura is like a wounded animal right now, quietly limping off while licking her wounds, not feeling all to confident about confronting that big nasty looking thing called love ever again. But ultimately, she has to, otherwise she will probably be an emotional wreck for the rest of her life.

Edited by TerrorKing, 18 April 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Sasuke is an idi*t, but there is the forehead complement, the genjutsu complement, the way he protect her in the forest of death agains Orochimaru, the way he got piss when the sound four guy hurt Sakura and there is the thank you scene after her confession.

I don't remember Sasuke ever complementing on Sakura's forehead or the genjustsu complement at all. I think you're thinking of the bench scene where Naruto was pretending to be Sasuke. I remember him saying that she is "more useless than Naruto." You know, you think she would have caught on to this by now. Many people speculated that the bench scene will make a re-occurrence because since it was Naruto and not Sasuke, many fear this is the reason why she has these false ideas of Sasuke. I did notice this scene doesn't make an occurrence in anyone's memory, though a lot of other scenes do. Why is that?

As for fighting Orochimaru, Sasuke wanted to give up and surrender to him. Naruto was the one to tell him not to give in. If Sasuke was even protecting Sakura at all, it was because she was a teammate and no more. In reality, he saw Sakura as an annoyance and said this to her to her face.

Sakura believes in Naruto, and Naruto have faith in Sasuke so is obvious why she will still think in Sasuke that way.
But the love letter guy for the 1st time give her a wake up call and allow her to think about that guy she love and think about her self that was the only time Sakura start thinking about her romantic feeling for Sasuke in a negative light.

All part of the development. Sakura's feelings for Sasuke stood on a stand still at the moment in the beginning of part II. Almost to the point that she nearly forgot about them. In truth, she only really thinks about Sasuke when he is brought up. Ever notice that?

As I said, this is the point in the manga where Sakura is waking up from what she thought was a dream and realizing it is a nightmare. Eventually, Naruto and Sakura are going to have to have a serious talk about a lot of things, but at the moment, they can't talk about it right now. I always reminded of many scenes where characters always want to avoid the subject because they are afraid of pushing the envelope.

It's happened in many love stories and I think it will happen in this one. Be patient and wait and see what happens. let's see what happens when Naruto and Sakura meet again. Maybe something good will happen and we get a pro-NS moment. I am not worried at all.

IMHO If Naruto would complement Sakura sometimes or say something sweet to her there would be some different (example chapter 245), Sakura may know that Naruto likes her, but she never imagine his love was so deep and when she try to do something about it, he blow her off.
Look at chapert 261 when she was worry about him been a Jinchuriki, the Yamato speech, Sai question, the ramen scene, the 4 tail scene, if you check thos scenes her behavior towards Naruto isn't normal. Whe know how Sakura feels about Naruto, but Naruto doesn't know and he don't care to know either.

It's not that Naruto doesn't care. Naruto doesn't want to hurt Sakura. He doesn't want his feelings to get in the way of Sakura's happiness because he still thinks she is in love with Sasuke. Sai didn't even tell Naruto that he was the one who told Sakura he loves her, so of course it would seem like a trick to him. In Sakura's confession, Naruto almost believed Sakura until she brought up Sasuke and the POAL. That is where things went wrong. This is the problem between Naruto and Sakura. They don't want to be truthful to each other because they are afraid to hurt each other.

It's a typical hero thing. Look at Peter Parker and Mary Jane for example. He was afraid to tell her his feelings as well because not only did he want to put her danger, but he was afraid she didn't feel the same way. I truly believe Naruto and Sakura love each other, but they don't know how to express it. It happens a lot in manga and relationships as well.

The other Problem is that Naruto has never tell Sakura how important she his to him, but to Sasuke he did, he told Sasuke that if he die, he will die with him too.

The way you are making it sound is that Naruto was going to off-himself as soon as Sasuke dies even if he won the battle. I didn't get that at all from that scene. I more or less got this "Sasuke, I won't chase you anymore. You obviously don't want to come back, so don't. If we do fight, I don't think any one of us is going to make it out alive. The choice is yours" then Sasuke says he is going to do it anyway.

Think about it, although Sasuke try to kill Sakura what was Naruto's reaction? But When Sai insulted Sasuke how did Naruto behave?

Naruto looked pretty pissed to be honest. The dynamic of just looking at Sasuke from the corner of his eye was actually kind of scary. It's not about getting angry and flying off the handle. Naruto was being calm and collective, but you could still see the anger in his eyes. I don't think you could put comedy in that kind of scene and not have it seem awkward. It was only after the levity was lifted that comedy came back with the poisoned kunai.

The whole Sai thing was lighter and was used more for comedy purposes rather than a serious dynamic.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 April 2012 - 11:22 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

@James, Sasuke complemented her ability to perceive Genjutsu right before the Chuunin Exams started, when they were all signing up. The incident with the fake door and Izumo and Kotetsu, remember?

[James S Cassidy]

@James, Sasuke complemented her ability to perceive Genjutsu right before the Chuunin Exams started, when they were all signing up. The incident with the fake door and Izumo and Kotetsu, remember?

No, I don't, sorry. Maybe because Sasuke complementing seems so out of character for him that even trying to remember something that happened way back seems pointless. Even so, what difference does it make now? Are we gonna say that one complement made by a guy who also called the same girl useless and annoying is going make or break NS?

This is the weirdest thing of it all. Sasuke, who loathes and hates Sakura with a passion, gives her one complement way back when they were kids and this is supposed to knock NS of its pedestal, but Naruto can save Sakura time and time again and this means nothing?

I hate when people use this sort of logic cause it makes no sense. I don't think....WE don't think Sakura is that shallow and Sakura doesn't seem to remember it anyway as I never recall seeing the scene in any memory lapses.

[CloudMountainJuror]

No, I don't, sorry. Maybe because Sasuke complementing seems so out of character for him that even trying to remember something that happened way back seems pointless. Even so, what difference does it make now? Are we gonna say that one complement made by a guy who also called the same girl useless and annoying is going make or break NS?

This is the weirdest thing of it all. Sasuke, who loathes and hates Sakura with a passion, gives her one complement way back when they were kids and this is supposed to knock NS of its pedestal, but Naruto can save Sakura time and time again and this means nothing?

I hate when people use this sort of logic cause it makes no sense. I don't think....WE don't think Sakura is that shallow and Sakura doesn't seem to remember it anyway as I never recall seeing the scene in any memory lapses.

I'm not by any means saying that that one compliment damages us in any way. Just giving credit where credit is due, I suppose.

[James S Cassidy]

I'm not by any means saying that that one compliment damages us in any way. Just giving credit where credit is due, I suppose.

I can't give the credit. He got the one point for it, but he lost it when he called her "useless." As I said, I am not going to let one panel drive me to abandon ship and I hope it doesn't drive anyone else off either.

*reads the scene again*

It's there, but it feels so out of place now. Especially with everything that has happened, it just seems so OOC. I am beginning to wonder if he even then saw her as nothing more than just a tool.

BTW, what about the scene with the forehead complement?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 April 2012 - 11:57 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I can't give the credit. He got the one point for it, but he lost it when he called her "useless." As I said, I am not going to let one panel drive me to abandon ship and I hope it doesn't drive anyone else off either.

*reads the scene again*

It's there, but it feels so out of place now. Especially with everything that has happened, it just seems so OOC. I am beginning to wonder if he even then saw her as nothing more than just a tool.

BTW, what about the scene with the forehead complement?

It does feel out of place, doesn't it? I just noticed it upon rereading the start of the series, actually. It stuck out to me as odd, too.

And there was no forehead compliment from Sasuke; the only forehead compliment in the entire series was from Naruto, henged as Sasuke.

[Don-kun]

I know what you are saying James, but I think Naruto is really forcing the issue with Sasuke.

About the 4head is not that I think that it will be the moment that will make a big change and sakura will do a 180, that's not what I was trying to imply.

1- In Sakura's eye Sasuke (henge Naruto) cmpliment her 4head and he did complment her genjutsu when she was insecure about the chunin exam.
If this was not Anime filler, then when there was under Oro genjutsu Sasuke stabbed his leg and save Sakura. We see the effect those action have with her, when Lee and Naruto save her.
Who hurt you Sakura? is another event he make her feel important to him, the moment when he ask Naruto to make sure take Sakura and run and make sure she his safe, he will sacrifice his life for them and the thank you scene, what is a lot better than I hate people that lie to them self, at least he appreciate her feeling and her concern for him and his well been.

If Naruto wasn't my favorite character and Sasuke never treat Sakura like crap and try to kill her, then I will be an SS fan, in his good moment when he was not a moron, he treat Sakura a lot better than Naruto, while Naruto was acting like a child. but in reality I really hate that pairing and his mostly because of Sasuke's been a morun and a psycho.

2- In the 2nd reunion Naruto made it look like he doesn't want to kill Sasuke and become a hero, he want Sasuke to take all his hate agains him so they can die together and perhaps in the afterlife they can get along and smile together.

3- It is true that Sakura doesn't think about Sasuke like before, that's is why she didn't think it twice about agreeing with the Rookies plan about killing Sasuke, for her Naruto is more important than Sasuke, but Naruto doesn't want her to think that way, even when she try Naruto got very piss about it.
In the confession Naruto didn't get angry because he feel that she was lying about loving him, is about not wanting to love Sasuke anymore, we all see what happen after when Sai spoke with him,the team 7 image shatters, and when Gaara spoke with him (it was his worse moment is this manga).
So in other words Naruto is always brainwashing Sakura about Sasuke because he refused to let go of the past, for Naruto people can be wrong but not Sasuke and he will lash against everyone that there to say something bad about Sasuke, everyone.

4- It's not that Naruto doesn't care. Naruto doesn't want to hurt Sakura.
Well like I said before, he doesn't need to tell her that he likes her, I admire that part off him, but Sakura doesn't care that Hinata loves Naruto and she will not try to let him go or force him to see Hinata ( and I'm pretty sure that everyone likes that about Sakura), so why Naruto can't do the same, why not made Sakura feel like the most important person for him, just like how she gives him impretion that he his the most important person for her.

Naruto shows that he care more about Sasuke, more than what he shows for Sakura (that's why thre are soomuch NAruSasu fans) but we all know that he loves Sakura, so why he treats her that way?
If we are all honest with our bias, we know that the only reason why people start thinking that NaruSaku is more obvious is because of Sakura tremendous change in part two, them whe already know that Naruto has feeling for her since part one.
Isn't obvious why NH and SS fan always dom plays Naruto's feelings for Sakura, is because everyone say that he doesn't have the same feelings for her.
even after 457 people say that it happen before Hinata confession.

Again why Sakura things more about Sasuke and not Naruto in a romantic light, is because she can't be sure that Naruto loves her she ask him and he didn't replay.

Edited by donjoseph19, 19 April 2012 - 01:18 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I know what you are saying James, but I think Naruto is really forcing the issue with Sasuke.

About the 4head is not that I think that it will be the moment that will make a big change and sakura will do a 180, that's not what I was trying to imply.

But you are implying it. You are implying that Naruto this whole time has been treating Sakura like crap and Sasuke is the true hero who appreciates her more than anyone. Maybe you don't mean to, but the way you're typing it sounds like you are.

If Naruto wasn't my favorite character and Sasuke never treat Sakura like crap and try to kill her, then I will be an SS fan, in his good moment when he was not a moron, he treat Sakura a lot better than Naruto, while Naruto was acting like a child. but in reality I really hate that pairing and his mostly because of Sasuke's been a morun and a psycho.

Here is the example. You're basically saying that Naruto is the bad guy the whole time.

2- In the 2nd reunion Naruto made it look like he doesn't want to kill Sasuke and become a hero, he want Sasuke to take all his hate agains him so they can die together and perhaps in the afterlife they can get along and smile together.

That's not something I got out of that. Again, you're making it seem like Naruto wants to do a lovers suicide pact with Sasuke and it's not even that at all. Naruto doesn't want to die and he doesn't want to kill Sasuke either. He does however feel that as long as Sasuke pursues his revenge, he will do everything he can to stop him. He fears however, that the impending battle will kill them both because the battle won't stop until one of them, or both, dies.

It's like Harry Potter's battle with Tom Riddle. They both can't survive in the same realm because Tom will always want to wreck havoc. Harry said he will always stop him if he even tries, but even during one point he knew that they both can't live. Harry even accepted death. He didn't want to die, but he accepted his fate. Naruto is the same way, he accepts that he might not make it. He doesn't want to die, but he can't decide that. All he can do is stop anyone from trying to hurt his friends even if it was a former comrade.

Hypothetically, let's say Sasuke chose not to come back. Let's say Sasuke says "You know, screw this. I am going to Florida." Naruto said he will never chase him anymore. Do you think Naruto will just off-himself thinking life is not worth living because Sasuke is not around?

3- So in other words Naruto is always brainwashing Sakura about Sasuke because he refused to let go of the past, for Naruto people can be wrong but not Sasuke and he will lash against everyone that there to say something bad about Sasuke, everyone.

4- It's not that Naruto doesn't care. Naruto doesn't want to hurt Sakura.
Well like I said before, he doesn't need to tell her that he likes her, I admire that part off him, but Sakura doesn't care that Hinata loves Naruto and she will not try to let him go or force him to see Hinata ( and I'm pretty shore that everyone likes that about Sakura), so why Naruto can't do the same, why not made Sakura feel like the most important person for him, just like how she gives him impretion that he his the most important person for her.

Because Naruto is the modest hero. Naruto is also very humble. Sometimes even too humble in his ideals. He thinks he can change the world no matter how bad it is and he is going to fail because even the hero soon realizes that he can't save everyone. He also thinks he is not that strong when he could quite well be the strongest in the entire ninja nation. As for Naruto showing how important Sakura is to him, does saving her not count? I mean at least fighting Gaara would have been a big hint. What about the times when he didn't lost confidence in her? Maybe that could have been something. And more important, what about the POAL? If all that is not appreciation, then I don't know is or someone's standards are waaaaay too high.

One of the biggest things Sakura did, and I can't believe I am going to say this, is that she brought up Sasuke and said she didn't care about him anymore period. That's what caught Naruto's attention and it was really stupid of Sakura use that line that she said. Naruto believed her, but when she said that Naruto knew something was off and this is where the drama comes in. This is how the fight started. Naruto himself felt insulted because I bet he was thinking at the time that she was trying to manipulate him. She is also why she got angry and yelled at him back. (Notice they even fight like a married couple.)

It was after that Sai explained what was really going on and Naruto realized a truth about Sasuke. (Not that Sakura was lying about being in love with him. I don't really want to go into that argument right now.)

Sakura is also to blame for this for the fact that she brought this up. However, this is not to say that Sakura or Naruto is selfish. It is the fact that they are both the most selfless people in this story. The fact they have become the most humble and the most modest of the characters. They only care about what the other wants and they are putting what they want to the other side, but meanwhile they are suffering for it. This is the tragedy of NS. It is also the most loving story in this manga. I have read many romance novels and some even play out very similar to this.

Sasuke was a teammate, a brother, a friend, and family to Naruto. Sakura even said that Naruto is a brother to Sasuke. This is how brothers are. Like me and my brother. I get angry at him. I get up upset and make fun of him. We fight, we argue, but if anyone else insults us we take it very personal and we defend each other. Do you have any siblings? If you don't, maybe this is why it is hard to understand why Naruto acts the way he does. This is also why Sasuke tried to attack the people at the bar for slandering Itachi. Even though he knows Itachi killed the entire Uchiha clan and everything they said was true, he was still willing to stick up for his older brother.

It's family thing. There is no real logical reason to it, but as brothers we do it anyway because it's our family and no one insults our family no matter what they have done.

Naruto shows that he care more about Sasuke, more than what he shows for Sakura (that's why thre are soomuch NAruSasu fans) but we all know that he loves Sakura, so why he treats her that way? If we are all honest with our bias, we know that the only reason why people start thinking that NaruSaku is more obvious is because of Sakura tremendous change in part two, them whe already know that Naruto has feeling for her since part one, isn't obvious why NH and SS fan always dom plays Naruto's feelings, is because everyone say that he doesn't have the same feeling for her[/b].

And yet this logic can be put against EVERY shipping in this manga. I could downplay Hinata's feelings due to the same reason of her not being strong enough to be forward enough with them. Yeah she confessed once, but notice how she fails to once again push for the relationship even farther. At least try. The same logic applied to Naruto is not pushing the relationship on Sakura. Should we downplay Hinata's feelings too or say that she doesn't appreciate Naruto? (We already do, but for another reason)

Why doesn't Sakura push for a conversation with Naruto about it? She is avoiding it too for whatever reason she has. And Naruto hasn't even tried for a convoy with Hinata's confession, what about that? Again, everyone can downplay the ships because they are already downplayed for the bigger plot. What about Shikamaru and Temari? How about TenTen and Lee or Neji? How about every other pairing under the sun? Almost every relationship I could downplay simply for the sake of the manga story. Some don't even have that much going for it. What about Lee's love for Sakura? That was downplayed in Part 1. Couldn't he have pursued more as well?

Speaking of which, most of the characters don't even go out of their way to start a relationship or push something or even start a conversation based around love. Every convoy about love is maybe there for one to two panels and then immediately takes a back seat. Why does Kishi do this? I don't know. At some point, he is going to have to make it so somebody talks to someone about it. It's not a subject he can ignore forever.

All love and shipping is downplayed in this manga. Whether it be because of the war that's going on, because Kishi is focusing on something else, because he wants to troll and knows we are itching for any info we can get in the love area, but it is always downplayed. So the bigger question is...is it us who are downplaying it or is it Kishi who downplays it? I am one go for the latter option because it's not the real main focus of the story. It's apart of it, but it's not THE most important thing in there.

There is one thing to note: It is interesting that Kishimoto used Sai to push Naruto and Sakura together. Sai didn't push Hinata and Naruto together or Sasuke and Sakura together. He pushed for Naruto and Sakura to talk it over. While it wasn't a complete success, it has gotten the ball rolling on a few things in this manga as I will say, the action itself seems to speak pro-narusaku to. The fact that Kishi has Sai push those boundaries in saying something that the other characters are too afraid to say is really saying something about the situation. Why have Sai ask those kinds of questions? Perhaps he is looking for a reason to get the ball rolling.

Again, it goes back to my original question: If it just nothing, then why have so much emphasis on it? And to be honest in my opinion, if it wasn't important or if it was truly downplayed...then there wouldn't have been so much reaction to it. So take that as you see fit.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2012 - 02:44 AM.

[ciardha]

2- In the 2nd reunion Naruto made it look like he doesn't want to kill Sasuke and become a hero, he want Sasuke to take all his hate agains him so they can die together and perhaps in the afterlife they can get along and smile together.

I'm going to agree with donjoseph a bit on this one. There is a bit of that vibe to it. I think Kishimoto wants it to look a bit murky, because Sakura's reaction swings both ways on Naruto's plan. Initially, her reaction seems to be along the line with James's reading, but then she begins to have worried thoughts about Naruto's safety and wants to speak to him alone about those plans.

3- It is true that Sakura doesn't think about Sasuke like before, that's is why she didn't think it twice about agreeing with the Rookies plan about killing Sasuke, for her Naruto is more important than Sasuke, but Naruto doesn't want her to think that way, even when she try Naruto got very piss about it.
In the confession Naruto didn't get angry because he feel that she was lying about loving him, is about not wanting to love Sasuke anymore, we all see what happen after when Sai spoke with him,the team 7 image shatters, and when Gaara spoke with him (it was his worse moment is this manga).
So in other words Naruto is always brainwashing Sakura about Sasuke because he refused to let go of the past, for Naruto people can be wrong but not Sasuke and he will lash against everyone that there to say something bad about Sasuke, everyone.

I definitely agree with this. Look at how he almost hysterically argues with Sai about Sakura's feelings about Sasuke in 474. Even though it's clear Naruto has accepted Sakura has fallen in love with him (and apparently decided she was in love with both himself and Sasuke) on that point he doesn't argue with Sai, (and even with Sakura he seems to take it in and accept she has fallen in love with him, even though her self-delusion about being over Sasuke sets off his temper- and yeah I think that comes from the same area of Naruto's personality donjoseph does.) and even looks mildly ashamed for reacting so flippantly over Sakura's confession. (And note, his mental image of Sakura in connection to her love for Naruto is her now, while his mental image of her in connection to her feelings about Sasuke is of her at 12, not even at 13 when the POAL moment happened.... That would mean thinking about Sasuke being darker than he wanted to believe. Naruto was rigidly seeing her feelings about Sasuke as if she was still was the 12 year old Sasuke fangirl at the start of Team 7. Sai's words about Sakura in connection to Sasuke made that image in his mind shatter for good.

There is one thing to note: It is interesting that Kishimoto used Sai to push Naruto and Sakura together. Sai didn't push Hinata and Naruto together or Sasuke and Sakura together. He pushed for Naruto and Sakura to talk it over. While it wasn't a complete success, it has gotten the ball rolling on a few things in this manga as I will say, the action itself seems to speak pro-narusaku to. The fact that Kishi has Sai push those boundaries in saying something that the other characters are too afraid to say is really saying something about the situation. Why have Sai ask those kinds of questions? Perhaps he is looking for a reason to get the ball rolling.

Yes, this is the only romantic relationship in the whole manga that gets that strong an emphasis on it's development.

[lord287]

I know what you are saying James, but I think Naruto is really forcing the issue with Sasuke.

About the 4head is not that I think that it will be the moment that will make a big change and sakura will do a 180, that's not what I was trying to imply.

1- In Sakura's eye Sasuke (henge Naruto) cmpliment her 4head and he did complment her genjutsu when she was insecure about the chunin exam.
If this was not Anime filler, then when there was under Oro genjutsu Sasuke stabbed his leg and save Sakura. We see the effect those action have with her, when Lee and Naruto save her.
Who hurt you Sakura? is another event he make her feel important to him, the moment when he ask Naruto to make sure take Sakura and run and make sure she his safe, he will sacrifice his life for them and the thank you scene, what is a lot better than I hate people that lie to them self, at least he appreciate her feeling and her concern for him and his well been.

If Naruto wasn't my favorite character and Sasuke never treat Sakura like crap and try to kill her, then I will be an SS fan, in his good moment when he was not a moron, he treat Sakura a lot better than Naruto, while Naruto was acting like a child. but in reality I really hate that pairing and his mostly because of Sasuke's been a morun and a psycho.

2- In the 2nd reunion Naruto made it look like he doesn't want to kill Sasuke and become a hero, he want Sasuke to take all his hate agains him so they can die together and perhaps in the afterlife they can get along and smile together.

3- It is true that Sakura doesn't think about Sasuke like before, that's is why she didn't think it twice about agreeing with the Rookies plan about killing Sasuke, for her Naruto is more important than Sasuke, but Naruto doesn't want her to think that way, even when she try Naruto got very piss about it.
In the confession Naruto didn't get angry because he feel that she was lying about loving him, is about not wanting to love Sasuke anymore, we all see what happen after when Sai spoke with him,the team 7 image shatters, and when Gaara spoke with him (it was his worse moment is this manga).
So in other words Naruto is always brainwashing Sakura about Sasuke because he refused to let go of the past, for Naruto people can be wrong but not Sasuke and he will lash against everyone that there to say something bad about Sasuke, everyone.

4- It's not that Naruto doesn't care. Naruto doesn't want to hurt Sakura.
Well like I said before, he doesn't need to tell her that he likes her, I admire that part off him, but Sakura doesn't care that Hinata loves Naruto and she will not try to let him go or force him to see Hinata ( and I'm pretty sure that everyone likes that about Sakura), so why Naruto can't do the same, why not made Sakura feel like the most important person for him, just like how she gives him impretion that he his the most important person for her.

Naruto shows that he care more about Sasuke, more than what he shows for Sakura (that's why thre are soomuch NAruSasu fans) but we all know that he loves Sakura, so why he treats her that way?
If we are all honest with our bias, we know that the only reason why people start thinking that NaruSaku is more obvious is because of Sakura tremendous change in part two, them whe already know that Naruto has feeling for her since part one.
Isn't obvious why NH and SS fan always dom plays Naruto's feelings for Sakura, is because everyone say that he doesn't have the same feelings for her.
even after 457 people say that it happen before Hinata confession.

Again why Sakura things more about Sasuke and not Naruto in a romantic light, is because she can't be sure that Naruto loves her she ask him and he didn't replay.

Their are many points which I find are useless over here for example
1) I think Naruto has done way more things for sakura back in part 1 also as compared to what sasuke did! I mean who will like to sacrifice his own happiness for someone else! Sasuke never sacrificed his happiness or even thought about sakura more than he thought about himself! Whereas naruto always thought about making her happy and for that reason he never really interfered in between sakura's attempts to win sasuke's heart when he really started loving her more than just a crush! Moreover i could never had likes SS even if sasuke didn't turn out to be a moron because the reason given to us that sakura loved sasuke is he was cool and later devloped her love towards sasuke when she saw he was not so perfect so what about naruto! Naruto was never perfect and he had have a very much more difficult life then sasuke! So if someone deserves what he wants is naruto and not sasuke!

2) second point of urs is useless! He have to say these things because this is a shounen manga and his feelings towards sakura will never be top priority! I think these r the priorities of naruto as of now

1)bring peace to world(even if it means killing sasuke)
2)bring sasuke back
3)win over sakura's love and become hokage

3)well i don't think it is naruto's fault at all! If we take real life situation!
you love a girl and u very well know that she loves another person, and one day with no special reason she comes out to tell she loves you instead of the person you thought she loved and you have some memories where u saw her crying over, hugging the person u thought she loved will u believe that she has come to love you out of the blue!

After all naruto is the best and the most noble and good hero and as most of the good people the hero doesn't accept good things happening to him earlier but very late! So in the end i hope this time also naruto will understand sakura's feelings towards him(which should be romantic) and spend his life with sakura!

4) I didn't understand this point of urs ! so no comments on this!


Moreover I just want to say that although NS seems to be the most developed and best pairing to happen, we all should not get our hopes very high because if it doesn't happen then at least we will be like okay we were ready for it as well but if we will be very sure for it to happen it will really hurt badly if it doesn't happen(although it will still hurt even if I am prepared for it not to happen because I love this pairing so much and want it to happen so badly, I don't want to see naruto sacrifing his happiness again and be happy by seeing others happy)!

[Don-kun]

lord287 James and myself are not talking about NS been cannon or not, he his 100% sure that it will happen and I'm 100% sure that is doesn't make any sence to end the manga with Naruto and Sakura not been paired with each other.
We are speaking about some little changes in Naruto that will have a great impact on Sakura's feeling for him.
Naruto has already stolen everything about Sakura from Sasuke the only thing mising is her complete love and soul in the romantic aspect for Naruto.

But you are implying it. You are implying that Naruto this whole time has been treating Sakura like crap and Sasuke is the true hero who appreciates her more than anyone. Maybe you don't mean to, but the way you're typing it sounds like you are.



Here is the example. You're basically saying that Naruto is the bad guy the whole time.



That's not something I got out of that. Again, you're making it seem like Naruto wants to do a lovers suicide pact with Sasuke and it's not even that at all. Naruto doesn't want to die and he doesn't want to kill Sasuke either. He does however feel that as long as Sasuke pursues his revenge, he will do everything he can to stop him. He fears however, that the impending battle will kill them both because the battle won't stop until one of them, or both, dies.

It's like Harry Potter's battle with Tom Riddle. They both can't survive in the same realm because Tom will always want to wreck havoc. Harry said he will always stop him if he even tries, but even during one point he knew that they both can't live. Harry even accepted death. He didn't want to die, but he accepted his fate. Naruto is the same way, he accepts that he might not make it. He doesn't want to die, but he can't decide that. All he can do is stop anyone from trying to hurt his friends even if it was a former comrade.

Hypothetically, let's say Sasuke chose not to come back. Let's say Sasuke says "You know, screw this. I am going to Florida." Naruto said he will never chase him anymore. Do you think Naruto will just off-himself thinking life is not worth living because Sasuke is not around?



Because Naruto is the modest hero. Naruto is also very humble. Sometimes even too humble in his ideals. He thinks he can change the world no matter how bad it is and he is going to fail because even the hero soon realizes that he can't save everyone. He also thinks he is not that strong when he could quite well be the strongest in the entire ninja nation. As for Naruto showing how important Sakura is to him, does saving her not count? I mean at least fighting Gaara would have been a big hint. What about the times when he didn't lost confidence in her? Maybe that could have been something. And more important, what about the POAL? If all that is not appreciation, then I don't know is or someone's standards are waaaaay too high.

One of the biggest things Sakura did, and I can't believe I am going to say this, is that she brought up Sasuke and said she didn't care about him anymore period. That's what caught Naruto's attention and it was really stupid of Sakura use that line that she said. Naruto believed her, but when she said that Naruto knew something was off and this is where the drama comes in. This is how the fight started. Naruto himself felt insulted because I bet he was thinking at the time that she was trying to manipulate him. She is also why she got angry and yelled at him back. (Notice they even fight like a married couple.)

It was after that Sai explained what was really going on and Naruto realized a truth about Sasuke. (Not that Sakura was lying about being in love with him. I don't really want to go into that argument right now.)

Sakura is also to blame for this for the fact that she brought this up. However, this is not to say that Sakura or Naruto is selfish. It is the fact that they are both the most selfless people in this story. The fact they have become the most humble and the most modest of the characters. They only care about what the other wants and they are putting what they want to the other side, but meanwhile they are suffering for it. This is the tragedy of NS. It is also the most loving story in this manga. I have read many romance novels and some even play out very similar to this.

Sasuke was a teammate, a brother, a friend, and family to Naruto. Sakura even said that Naruto is a brother to Sasuke. This is how brothers are. Like me and my brother. I get angry at him. I get up upset and make fun of him. We fight, we argue, but if anyone else insults us we take it very personal and we defend each other. Do you have any siblings? If you don't, maybe this is why it is hard to understand why Naruto acts the way he does. This is also why Sasuke tried to attack the people at the bar for slandering Itachi. Even though he knows Itachi killed the entire Uchiha clan and everything they said was true, he was still willing to stick up for his older brother.

It's family thing. There is no real logical reason to it, but as brothers we do it anyway because it's our family and no one insults our family no matter what they have done.



And yet this logic can be put against EVERY shipping in this manga. I could downplay Hinata's feelings due to the same reason of her not being strong enough to be forward enough with them. Yeah she confessed once, but notice how she fails to once again push for the relationship even farther. At least try. The same logic applied to Naruto is not pushing the relationship on Sakura. Should we downplay Hinata's feelings too or say that she doesn't appreciate Naruto? (We already do, but for another reason)

Why doesn't Sakura push for a conversation with Naruto about it? She is avoiding it too for whatever reason she has. And Naruto hasn't even tried for a convoy with Hinata's confession, what about that? Again, everyone can downplay the ships because they are already downplayed for the bigger plot. What about Shikamaru and Temari? How about TenTen and Lee or Neji? How about every other pairing under the sun? Almost every relationship I could downplay simply for the sake of the manga story. Some don't even have that much going for it. What about Lee's love for Sakura? That was downplayed in Part 1. Couldn't he have pursued more as well?

Speaking of which, most of the characters don't even go out of their way to start a relationship or push something or even start a conversation based around love. Every convoy about love is maybe there for one to two panels and then immediately takes a back seat. Why does Kishi do this? I don't know. At some point, he is going to have to make it so somebody talks to someone about it. It's not a subject he can ignore forever.

All love and shipping is downplayed in this manga. Whether it be because of the war that's going on, because Kishi is focusing on something else, because he wants to troll and knows we are itching for any info we can get in the love area, but it is always downplayed. So the bigger question is...is it us who are downplaying it or is it Kishi who downplays it? I am one go for the latter option because it's not the real main focus of the story. It's apart of it, but it's not THE most important thing in there.

There is one thing to note: It is interesting that Kishimoto used Sai to push Naruto and Sakura together. Sai didn't push Hinata and Naruto together or Sasuke and Sakura together. He pushed for Naruto and Sakura to talk it over. While it wasn't a complete success, it has gotten the ball rolling on a few things in this manga as I will say, the action itself seems to speak pro-narusaku to. The fact that Kishi has Sai push those boundaries in saying something that the other characters are too afraid to say is really saying something about the situation. Why have Sai ask those kinds of questions? Perhaps he is looking for a reason to get the ball rolling.

Again, it goes back to my original question: If it just nothing, then why have so much emphasis on it? And to be honest in my opinion, if it wasn't important or if it was truly downplayed...then there wouldn't have been so much reaction to it. So take that as you see fit.

No James I never say that Naruto treats Sakura like crap, what I'm saying is that early Naruto mostly acted like a child around Sakura, he focus more in trying to prove everyone that he could be better than Sasuke.

Naruto has never made Sakura feel like her happiness matters the most to him, we all know that he wants to save Sasuke and he wants to keep his promise to her, but later on he told her that is has nothing to do with his promise to her, he personaly wants to save Sasuke, when two chapter before he told Sai that he could not confess to her, because he hasn't keep his promise.

Naruto could tell her that the promise and the desire to save sasuke and finally be able see her happy again is what drives him to become stronger, but now he really has his own reason in wanting to save Sasuke. That would a great way to make her feel important.





Sasuke is an arrogant, bad friend,stup*d, moron and I psycho and you're implying that I think Naruto is a bad person bisides Sasuke? trust me you are wrong big time with this. Sasuke is the character I hate the most, honesty that part where I said that I would be SS fan if Sasuke were not all the things I think about him, to tell you truth I almost puke myself for saying that.

What I'm really implying is that Sasake when he was not all those thing I mention about him, he did things for Sakura that I wish Naruto did for Sakura like thise: In Sakura's eye Sasuke (henge Naruto) cmpliment her 4head and he did complement her genjutsu.
Under Oro genjutsu Sasuke stabbed his leg and save Sakura.
Who hurt you Sakura?
the moment when he ask Naruto to take Sakura and run and make sure that she his safe and to guard her with his life, he will sacrifice his life for them.
The thank you scene, what is a lot better than I hate people that lie to them self, at least he appreciate her feeling and her concern for him and his well been.
I whish Naruto could show Sakura, not the readers how important Sakura is to him, show her more affection, if Sakura can do it and she supposedly still has feelings for Sasuke, why Naruto can't do it when Sakura is the person he loves.






You say: Because Naruto is the modest hero. Naruto is also very humble. Sometimes even too humble in his ideals.
Like I say before Naruto is too normal when it comes to a face to face situation with Sakura, when he encourage her in the chunin exam, save her against Gaara, save them against Pain and when Sai told her that Naruto really loves her, we see that she comes around Naruto. when ever Naruto make Sakura feel importan he have a big effect on her, look at the last time he saves her is what makes her completely devoted herself to him..

again You say modest: for example lets look at Hinata.
Chunin exam, Naruto make a blood vow that he will defeat Neji in Hinata's honor.
Naruto complemented Hinata with the famous phrase, I like people like you.
Naruto single outHinata and told her that he was sorry that he was late, but now everithing will be ok. 558 or 559
Hinata was feeling down about her self, and he gave her the famous all in her eye speech. 559

So Jemes, does Naruto like Hinata? No we all know that he loves Sakura. Did he tell Hinata he loves her? No he didn't. Did he make Hinata feel special? Yes he did.
How does Naruto comfort Sakura? telling her that he will keep his promise to her, he comforts her with Sasuke. Naruto hurting his chances again.

James you remember chapter 459, when Sai give Sakura that reveletion about Naruto's feeling, what did Shizune say? Naruto is not doing this only because of Sakura, Naruto cares about Sasuke too, but Sakura cut her off and start flashing back on all those times when she could see but ignore that Naruto was hurt, she remember those fake smiles and the way he disguised how he really feels about her, that realization about his feeling is what hurt Sakura the most, that is what made Sakura vow that she will never make another mistake with Naruto.

[James S Cassidy]

I'm sorry, Ciardha, but this time I am not going to agree with you.

I am just going to agree to disagree. The fact that people think this mentally of "Sasuke or bust" is too radical for my taste. I don't want to see Naruto as someone who is so weak minded that if Sasuke doesn't come back, it might as well be the end of the world for him and he has no reason to live anymore. If it really does become like that, then Kishi really should change his manga name to "Sasuke."

If by some chance that this is how Naruto is thinking now. If by chance Kishi is purposely making Naruto seem this suicidal teenage depressant, then in order to save him Sakura needs to push even farther to get Naruto to snap out of it. This make NaruSaku unavoidable and might as well say it is canon already. And before anyone tries to put up an argument, think about this: Who else, but Sakura could do it?

[Don-kun]

I'm sorry, Ciardha, but this time I am not going to agree with you.

I am just going to agree to disagree. The fact that people think this mentally of "Sasuke or bust" is too radical for my taste. I don't want to see Naruto as someone who is so weak minded that if Sasuke doesn't come back, it might as well be the end of the world for him and he has no reason to live anymore. If it really does become like that, then Kishi really should change his manga name to "Sasuke."

If by some chance that this is how Naruto is thinking now. If by chance Kishi is purposely making Naruto seem this suicidal teenage depressant, then in order to save him Sakura needs to push even farther to get Naruto to snap out of it. This make NaruSaku unavoidable and might as well say it is canon already. And before anyone tries to put up an argument, think about this: Who else, but Sakura could do it?

That's why many complain that the manga should be named Sasuke and not Naruto, because everything revolves around Sasuke...

No one, no one is better than Sasukra it's obvious. Kushina is the one that change Naruto's view about dying to save Sasuke. that's why he told Gaara that he will not die before he becomes Hokage and Sakura should be the one who tells him that he can live with out Sasuke, everything is not only about Sasuke. we try and try but Sasuke made his own decision. Tell him He has many friends that believe in him, care about him and love him too, Sasuke is not the only person in his life.

[James S Cassidy]

That's why many complain that the manga should be named Sasuke and not Naruto, because everything revolves around Sasuke...

No one, no one is better than Sasukra it's obvious. Kushina is the one that change Naruto's view about dying to save Sasuke. that's why he told Gaara that he will not die before he becomes Hokage and Sakura should be the one who tells him that he can live with out Sasuke, everything is not only about Sasuke. we try and try but Sasuke made his own decision. Tell him He has many friends that believe in him, care about him and love him too, Sasuke is not the only person in his life.

I am going to be patient. See what happens in the up coming chapters and how Naruto and Sakura interact with each other from here on out. No way to know what will occur, but I am not going to say that the only way for this manga to have a happy ending is if Naruto successfully brings Sasuke back over to the light side of the force like I how some people have described in their debates. There are many theories and only one way to find out.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2012 - 01:15 PM.

[lord287]

That's why many complain that the manga should be named Sasuke and not Naruto, because everything revolves around Sasuke...

I totally agree ! What the heck is wrong with kishi he named his manga Naruto and everything seems to revolve around sasuke including naruto! First of all he had made naruto lose to sasuke countless times and now also he makes naruto state that he will die with him! WTF.. He should also be thinking about other people like his love sakura, his jinchuriki friend gaara, other rookie 11!

And not only this do You guys know when i was surfing on some other narusaku vs sasusaku forum i got pretty pissed seeing what SS fans wrote! they wrote SS should happen because sakura and sasuke getting along will be second best thing that can happen with sasuke after he turns good! I mean kishi has made sasuke so much of main character that people only see his small pain which was nothing as compared to naruto's pain and forget that the same thing can be said for NS! Naruto also needs happiness in his life after all! Sorry got little emotional as well as angry!

Moreover I really don't think naruto's top priority is bringing sasuke back his top priority is saving the world and he will be ready to do so even if he have to kill sasuke.. but i want sasuke to come back so that sakura's choice of naruto become fully pure knowing that she can still have sasuke but wants herself to be with naruto and not sasuke! So this is the only reason i want sasuke redeemed, that means sakura chosing naruto at that time will make narusaku the best pairing ever with no questions and comments such as she chose naruto because sasuke died etc! It will be greatest NS moment when she choses naruto over a redeemed sasuke and not only over a corrupted sasuke! What do u guys think, will u be happier if sakura chooses naruto over a corrupted sasuke or if she chooses naruto over a good, normal sasuke!

Edited by lord287, 19 April 2012 - 02:39 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Moreover I really don't think naruto's top priority is bringing sasuke back his top priority is saving the world and he will be ready to do so even if he have to kill sasuke.. but i want sasuke to come back so that sakura's choice of naruto become fully pure knowing that she can still have sasuke but wants herself to be with naruto and not sasuke! So this is the only reason i want sasuke redeemed, that means sakura chosing naruto at that time will make narusaku the best pairing ever with no questions and comments such as she chose naruto because sasuke died etc! It will be greatest NS moment when she choses naruto over a redeemed sasuke and not only over a corrupted sasuke! What do u guys think, will u be happier if sakura chooses naruto over a corrupted sasuke or if she chooses naruto over a good, normal sasuke!

I don't want Sakura to pick Naruto based around Sasuke at all: good or bad. I want her to pick Naruto because he is the person she wanted all along. He is everything she wanted and she loves him without popularity or social standing. She chooses him not because he is able to keep promises, but because he sees her as something more than just eye-candy or a tool to be used to get what he wants. I don't want Sasuke to have any part of it and the best outcome is Sasuke not coming back at all and move to some far away lands with everyone getting what they want. Sasuke gets to be alone like he wants to be, Naruto doesn't have to worry about killing his best friend, and Naruto and Sakura can move forward without fear of anything.

But since this isn't perfect land, and Sasuke is not the type to give up hatred at the drop of a hat, then I see no choice than Sasuke dying. Sasuke just doesn't want to be saved. Otherwise he would have accepted Karin and moved far away to start the clan all over like Itachi wanted him to, but no, he wanted revenge and he is not going to stop until he dies. He's not coming back. People want him to, but he is not. There is just no way to do it without making it seem awkward.

The only other way I can see this ending is one where it is a hybrid of him surviving and leaving the village for good and never returning. He won't be redeemed, but as long as he doesn't come back, they won't chase him. That is the best outcome for Sasuke. As long as he wants revenge against Konoha, then he will never be "redeemed."

[James S Cassidy]

Sasuke's "redemption" sends an awful message...

You should check that out.

http://www.narutofor...ad.php?t=818100

You know, it's not even about whether his redemption sends an awful message or not. It's all about whether or not Sasuke wants to be redeemed and so far he has shown no real interest in wanting to be redeemed. They give examples of Darth Vadar, Gaara, and few other people, but most didn't get redeemed until after they died. Here is one point that sticks out more than anything.

Gaara wanted redemption and they gave him a chance. He became good. Naruto gave Nagato a chance as well and what did he do? He sacrificed himself to save all he had did with Konoha. (Ironically, he said he couldn't even forgive Nagato for what he has done.) While he couldn't bring back all of them, he tried when given the choice. Naruto is one for giving chances to people to forgive and try for them to repent, but if you notice that not all bad guys want forgiveness or to repent for what they did. Tobi and Sasuke think they are justified in what they do and they let the hate control them. So why ask for forgiveness if they didn't think they didn't do anything at all.

Orochimaru didn't get redeemed at all because he didn't want to be redeemed. He wanted power and immortality. Would Kabuto get a choice too? Would he accept it? If Sasuke continues his path for revenge, there will be no redemption for him. Naruto even offered him the choice and he declined it many times. You can only save those who want to be saved. If he fights Naruto, then he has made a choice and the only redemption he can gain is from self-sacrifice like Vadar and Nagato. In any case, I don't see a way for Sasuke to coming out of this alive.