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[Super Boom]

It's best to stay out of areas such as anti-fanclubs and such. I only go to a few of the fanclubs on there and have them subscribed so that I don't have to worry about looking at any fanclubs and seeing what most of the people have to say. You won't have to worry about what they say if you don't know what they're saying in the first place. Besides, I think most of the time when stuff like this happens, you can already guess what the other party will think of it.

I hear you, I personally banned myself from all other shipping sites till this whole crisis is resolved. And when I say crisis, I mean one panel showing Sakura looking sad about Sasuke, and another of Hinata being her usual self.

*sigh* This is why I hate the Naruto shipping wars so much.

[Evil Potato]

Little late with my comments lol. Umm, lets see, I think this chapter was excellent, great development for Sakura, and incredible artwork from Kishi. Hes really been drawing well lately.

As for the Sakura looking sadly when the guy mentioned how great a guy must be for Sakura to fall in love with him. It seemed like a negative scene to me, but I couldn't tell if Kishi was referencing her past love or current. Maybe she loves Naruto and Sasuke, maybe not. Can't quite tell yet.

Still though, very good chapter. Seems like Kishi is having Sakura not have any thoughts about Naruto yet, wonder if he is waiting for a dramatic build up moment between the 2.

[Destiny]

Read previous 5 pages. 'nuff said.

*Rolls eyes* Oh thanks. I didn't know reading would help. Unfortunately, those are my opinions and they are as valid as those who have written huge paragraphs about what it could possibly mean. (Which in my opinion seems to be looking too into it.) I don't want sasusaku to be the pairing but I think this chapter is a win for them and they have the right to squeal and go into fangirl/boy mode. Not saying they won, just saying that the point clearly goes to them for this chapter.

[Super Boom]

*Rolls eyes* Oh thanks. I didn't know reading would help. Unfortunately, those are my opinions and they are as valid as those who have written huge paragraphs about what it could possibly mean. (Which in my opinion seems to be looking too into it.) I don't want sasusaku to be the pairing but I think this chapter is a win for them and they have the right to squeal and go into fangirl/boy mode. Not saying they won, just saying that the point clearly goes to them for this chapter.

Again, people complaining about over-analysis. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Take the shipping hints from this chapter, the whopping two panels' worth, at face value and what we get is this.

1.) Sakura's previously established crush on Sasuke is causing her pain.
2.) Hinata still likes Naruto. Which shouldn't surprise anyone, seeing as how that is 90% of her character.

Some people are coming to conclusions that her previous 'I like someone else' statement isn't connected to her image of Sasuke. I don't know if that's true or not, but the above two points are instantly visible to most people here.
And the only reason people are connecting the two panels is because of the annoying shipping war between NS and SS/NH. Hinata isn't a main character, and isn't part of the main love triangle. She's a supporting character, and her crush on Naruto is completely one-sided. The only connection we can really draw from the two panels is that Naruto and Sasuke cause opposite reactions in the people around them.
As for 'points' going to someone for a chapter, this seems completely ridiculous to me. Character relationships shouldn't be judged on a chapter-by-chapter basis, they should be observed from a large-scale perspective in terms of the broad context of the manga. I'm sorry if I'm sounding condescending (it certainly wouldn't be the first time), it's just that I feel there're way too many Naruto shippers, in all fandoms, that seem to jump to conclusions from one chapter, instantly disregarding anything that happened prior.

[primary colours123]

Hello everyone,

moreover, was a post from you that I calmed me down during throughout the DRAMA. (Then I have to thank: Thank you!)

You are most welcome. Happy to be of help.

People that are inclined to have a negative take on Sakura no matter what will read it as proof that their negative opinions are right (same thing happened when 469 came out) Some people who call themselves narusaku fans are of that type. For them I wonder if it's just they are Naruto fans that just say they are narusaku because Naruto is in love with Sakura. In actuality they don't like Sakura, and that type writes or likes what they call narusaku fanfiction that bashes Sakura and punishes her in some way before they award her to Naruto.

This is not how Kishimoto wants you to see Sakura. He wants you to relate to her as a reader- more than any other character (even Naruto), he wants you to like her, to see her struggles to grow and become a strong person and ninja and relate it to your own life. Sakura is meant to be the readers window into this world. (he's following Takahashi's pattern in shonen manga here- Akane plays that role in Ranma 1/2, and so does Kagome in Inuyasha)

Oh My...
Ms. Ciardha, Have you got telepathic powers? 'Cause that is EXACTLY what I thought when I first started Naruto. And that is one of the reasons I always call Sakura my audience insert You have hit the point exactly. And I still am renderer flummoxed whenever I see irrational Sakura hate. I don't know how western audience thinks, but I always used to think that the basic human nature remains the same everywhere. Maybe not

But my appreciations for this post. You have conveyed all I wanted to, but never did in a much concise and clearer fashion than I ever could.

*Rolls eyes* Oh thanks. I didn't know reading would help. Unfortunately, those are my opinions and they are as valid as those who have written huge paragraphs about what it could possibly mean. (Which in my opinion seems to be looking too into it.) I don't want sasusaku to be the pairing but I think this chapter is a win for them and they have the right to squeal and go into fangirl/boy mode. Not saying they won, just saying that the point clearly goes to them for this chapter.

Ah, yes! The mangaka is clearly trying to keep the pairing scene ambiguous, especially with the Hinata scene inserted in this chapter.
But regarding the Sakura scene, I think that is the beauty of interpretation. As shown previously by many posters, it is not very far fetched to think that putting Sakura on a pedestral might have been the real reason for the thought on Sasuke and not her love. And it is also possible that it was her love.
There is no point to any side here. It is just the enjoyment of discussion and throwing ideas at each other. You find it biased, I find it more fun. Don't you like logic games where you turn a situation apparently against you into a pro situations.
In the end this whole discussion is just fun and games, 'cause none of us, or other pairings fans either, are in Mr. Kishimoto's mind. So in my opinion, we should all enjoy it like that, and not get too serious.

After all, this chapter brought so many lurkers back.

Take care.

Edited by primary colours123, 29 May 2011 - 04:01 AM.

[Codus N]

I feel you dude. 2 days ago when this chap first came out I took the SS POV for a quicksec then I got jumped on LOL. I love NS and some people don't think that anymore, but what the hell.... Shoot. You guys needa be less sensitive when someone takes a different stance to approach the Naruto logic once in a while, SS is a possibility so don't rule it out like you're the writer.

I get the fanboying-ninja who thought that ANYONE Sakura liked must be a great person thing now. However, I feel that Kishimoto really made that message unclear to us. His writing style can really be ambiguous at times don't you agree? Anyways, I hope your @ciardha analyzation of that page is correct. I'd feel better if Kishimoto confirmed that in an interview or something though! Otherwise, we don't truly know do we?

You're absolutely right.

I agree with this completely. Sakura started off as this vapid, immature, and love sick little girl. She was narrow minded and ignorant. Not to mention she was a twelve year old trying her best to fit in. But people don't seem to realize that she's grown world's beyond that initial character.

She is compassionate and strong, and does what she thinks is best for the people that she loves. Her emotions are a complete mess right now, but she's a teenage soldier, whose first love left her with no resolution and no closure to become an enemy that tried to kill her without mercy or hesitation. As frustrating and annoying as it can be to see evidence of her romantic feelings for Sasuke at this point, in all honesty, I can see it being something that it not easy to get over - especially if she's doing her best to avoid thinking on it too hard and preoccupying her mind with other things.

We can only hope that Sakura will get the chance to sort out her feelings, and get closure and resolution that she needs, just as Naruto did before her at the summit, at the waterfall of truth, and during his confrontation with Kyuubi.

Bolded: You don't know how much I badly wanted this to happen.

[ciardha]

But doesn't this chapter prove that he is going with Sasu/saku and Naru/Hina? with sakura thinking of sasuke and hinata thinking of naruto.

Neither in a romantic fashion: it's anti sasusaku and anti naruhina. Sakura looks sick and depressed, not "in love". Hinata doesn't blush at all- looks like she's transitioned successfully from her crush to an admiring friendship.

[Derock]

I said this before over the spoiler thread, regarding the so called "NH" scene:

Now for that NH (which isn't one at all. Whenever Hinata comes in, suddenly people like to scream in horror here). Hinata just said from the script that that she has to do her best and the war is all about protecting Naruto, which IS true. Did you guys totally forget about the tibits of what Shikamaru and the rest of the Konoha 11 before and after the confession/Team 7 Reunion 2.0? They had said they relied on Naruto too much and now they're stepping up during this war to protect their friend/comrade.

[Namaenash]

+1 to all the positive comments here.

Art is even more beautiful if it could give the freedom for its consumers to have multiple interpretations. I think Kishi's mission is accomplished -- people have different interpretations of this chapter. Even if you take it at the face value without over analyzing. It puts hope to us (Narusaku supporters), as well as other fandoms.

Let's just sit back and enjoy the show. The manga is not finished yet. Anything could happen. Literally. I hope the patterns in narusaku development shall still be used going forward. Few steps backward, to make a huge leap ahead...

For it is the most logical, healthy, chemically awesome relationship Kishi could ever convey to his readers through his manga.

[fooby_tkw]

+1 to all the positive comments here.

Art is even more beautiful if it could give the freedom for its consumers to have multiple interpretations. I think Kishi's mission is accomplished -- people have different interpretations of this chapter. Even if you take it at the face value without over analyzing. It puts hope to us (Narusaku supporters), as well as other fandoms.

Let's just sit back and enjoy the show. The manga is not finished yet. Anything could happen. Literally. I hope the patterns in narusaku development shall still be used going forward. Few steps backward, to make a huge leap ahead...

For it is the most logical, healthy, chemically awesome relationship Kishi could ever convey to his readers through his manga.

Yeah. I see NaruSaku as kind of a ratcheting type deal. They always seem to make some steps back before Kishi writes positive development. I'm not holding my breath though. It may not happen the way we may expect.

[Nutt Man 117]

kitten, my heart almost broke and I was left there shattered with Sakura thinking of Sasuke. But then I had to look deeper as to why she thought of Sasuke. Sasuke is Naruto's best friend but he is also one of the main causes of Naruto's pain. The injured shinobi gave his best wishes towards Sakura and whoever she is in love with. That may not happen if both Naruto and Sasuke die when they fight each other as Naruto said. If Sakura loves Naruto, then Sasuke is in the way.

[Evil Potato]

I like the last line you said there Nutt Man, tis true

[ciardha]

For that scan (which was already translated by NaruSaku fans in NF, while the NH fans were so desperate to drastistically change it) :

It was basically how Sakura was giving Valentine's Day chocolates for Naruto. In Japan, girls give boys chocolates/gifts on that day, while a month later on White Day, its the opposite as boys give chocolates/presents to girls.

Boys they have romantic feelings for. A winking image of Sakura was chosen on top of that, making it look like she's flirting with Naruto.

This is the moment that ciardha is referring to.

http://www.mangaread.../chapter-5.html

Though it is true that she ignored helping Naruto down from the tree in favor of helping Sasuke, but to fair, Naruto wasn't in any actual danger hanging upside down from the tree.

To me though, the scene acts more to display Sakura's compassion in general (trying to help a person when she believes they are in actual danger despite not liking that person), then a pairing moment.

The earliest solid (imo) pairing hint that I can remember is Sakura blushing, and thinking, "What is this feeling? This is Naruto!"

http://www.mangaread...chapter-13.html

I missed it the first time around I read it, and it was only after becoming a NaruSaku fan and retroactively reading through the manga again that I saw hints such as these sprinkled throughout the entirety of part one.

There's this in chapter 5

http://www.mangaread.../chapter-5.html

Edited by ciardha, 29 May 2011 - 02:40 PM.

[dokueki(venom)]

Sorry for the long absent. Internet problems. On to business When I heard this thing about Sasuke I had to find out for myself. I was in total shock. Since I had no internet I havn't read any chapters for months. I am glad reading commits on this chapter to put it in more prospective for me cause I am often times clueless when it comes to reading between the lines. I am still an avid NS fan.

[Super Boom]

Also, I ran across this gem while going through my old stash of Naruto images :

shounen jump valentines spread? --Click here to view--

Would anybody be able to translate what's written next to Saukra?

This is a real interesting pic, does anyone know when it came out? Also, who are in the other hearts? It looks like Orihime next to Ichigo, and Nami next to Luffy, but I'm not really sure.
I'm guessing it's just promotional material, but I assume the various mangaka would at least have to approve their characters being used in stuff like this. Who knows, it could be a hint. *shrug*

Edited by Boom...Winning, 29 May 2011 - 03:10 PM.

[Daissuke]

It was just some promotional thing for valentines day a few years ago; I believe the girls are specifying what things they bought the boys, along with some general message. It has no input from the various mangaka, though.

[ShippudenGirl]

I wanna know what Sakura is saying

[Gravenimage]

Yeah I want to know too can someone translate what Sakura is saying?

[ciardha]

This is a real interesting pic, does anyone know when it came out? Also, who are in the other hearts? It looks like Orihime next to Ichigo, and Nami next to Luffy, but I'm not really sure.
I'm guessing it's just promotional material, but I assume the various mangaka would at least have to approve their characters being used in stuff like this.

Yeah, they do when it's in the magazine. They pick the characters, what images, and write the words that go in the balloon too.