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#401 Grace

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:33 AM

QUOTE (alexander @ Jul 31 2011, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I hope the anime keeps only on part one, that would make things a little more enjoyable. Sorry to complain so much, but when it comes to romance in a anime or manga, I'm extremelly prude, I can't take when things get absurd like that (foster father turning into lover of his own daughter) for example. Guess I'm too picky when it comes to romance. XD
Well, I heard that the ending got a lot of mixed reaction, with over half of them being negative, tough, I'm not sure what the people of Japan tought about the ending.

Naw, no big; complain all ya like. While I'm definitely no prude when it comes to romance in anime/manga, I can understand the frustration of seeing something become canon that you don't like or agree with.
Yeah...from the few threads I've found discussing the ending at length, it was pretty well split between negative and positive reactions. Interestingly enough, a lot of people for the ending were mostly happy that Daikichi didn't end up alone, and that Rin got what she wanted; as far as they were concerned, so long as the characters were happy then it really didn't matter what the circumstances were. On the flipside, though, a lot of the people against the ending were upset because Rin got what she wanted; their argument being that as an older teen/young adult, she made her decision to stay with Daikichi forever and push for a romantic relationship with him out of pure emotion, rather than putting any thought into it or the consequences--which was argued to be against her usually level-headed character.

*shrug* Lots of other reasons/arguments for or against the ending, of course, but these were a couple that seemed to pop up a lot.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:46 AM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Aug 1 2011, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naw, no big; complain all ya like. While I'm definitely no prude when it comes to romance in anime/manga, I can understand the frustration of seeing something become canon that you don't like or agree with.
Yeah...from the few threads I've found discussing the ending at length, it was pretty well split between negative and positive reactions. Interestingly enough, a lot of people for the ending were mostly happy that Daikichi didn't end up alone, and that Rin got what she wanted; as far as they were concerned, so long as the characters were happy then it really didn't matter what the circumstances were. On the flipside, though, a lot of the people against the ending were upset because Rin got what she wanted; their argument being that as an older teen/young adult, she made her decision to stay with Daikichi forever and push for a romantic relationship with him out of pure emotion, rather than putting any thought into it or the consequences--which was argued to be against her usually level-headed character.

*shrug* Lots of other reasons/arguments for or against the ending, of course, but these were a couple that seemed to pop up a lot.


Well, guess it's better just to forget about it, maybe if I pretend I never saw the manga ending I might be able to watch the anime, lol.Not prude, bad girl Kushina, we need to keep some decency fu.png

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:50 AM

QUOTE (alexander @ Jul 31 2011, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, guess it's better just to forget about it, maybe if I pretend I never saw the manga ending I might be able to watch the anime, lol.Not prude, bad girl Kushina, we need to keep some decency fu.png

That's kinda what I'm doing; just pretending there was no ending whenever I watch the anime XD
Decency? What is this "decency" you speak of? headscratch.gif

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 11:34 PM

Oh anime, must you be so close to my heart that you can break it? shamefulcry0js.gif /emo

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So I was watchin' "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide"--DON'T JUDGE ME IT'S CUTE--and was giggling over my favorite character, Gordy the janitor. Gordy is played by Daran Norris, who happens to be a long-time voice actor as well as TV actor. He's most known for being the voice of Cosmo, Mr. Turner, and Jorgen Von Strangle on The Fairly OddParents. Because I'm a huge FOP fandork, especially for Cosmo, hearing his voice always makes me happy.

Unfortunately, it also makes me incredibly sad anymore because he was also the voice of Tasuki, a character from Fushigi Yuugi<---the anime that I can no longer enjoy because the manga broke my heart. The anime that was my solid favorite for five years before I finally managed to buy all of the manga, only to have the manga's ending shatter the (as I'd seen it) perfect ending of the anime.

Fushigi Yuugi is, to me, one of the most sparkly, romantic, sappy shoujo series there is. It's right up there with Sailor Moon in the sparkle department. And for me, back in high school, that was perfect. I ate up all 52 episodes of the dub (and that's something crazy, since I rarely ever like dubs) and went on to rewatch it at least four times before returning the borrowed DVDs to my friend. I loved the characters, the plot, the romance, everything; it made me laugh, cry, throw tantrums, and left me feeling completely satisfied by the end of it.

So, imagine if you will, my joy at finally being able to buy up the manga in omnibus'--three volumes in one, six big omnibus volumes, one happy me. After reading the first three, I realized that the anime had actually ended at what was the halfway mark of the manga. I remember being so nervous about reading beyond the anime's ending that I put it off for a week and a half. Finally, though, I sat down and read on.

In order to continue, some explanation of the plot of Fushigi Yuugi has to be given. The basic premise is that there's a book called "The Universe of the Four Gods" that, when read by a young woman, has the power to drag her into the book itself so that she becomes the main character--a priestess of one of the four nations (each nation being protected by one of the four gods). Said priestess then lives out the story, working to gather the seven celestial warriors related to the god of whatever nation she landed in so she can summon the god. Once the god is summoned, they will grant the priestess three wishes. The catch is that once the three wishes have been granted, the god is supposed to devour the priestess; this usually isn't learned until much later on in the story.

The main character of Fushigi Yuugi is Miaka, a high school girl that accidentally ends up in the story as the priestess of Suzaku (the guardian of the South, a phoenix). The series follows her as she gets accustomed to being the priestess, goes on her journey to find the celestial warriors, and deals with friend/romantic drama. She falls in love with the first person she meets inside the book, a young man named Tamahome. Later, it's revealed that he's one of the Suzaku celestial warriors, and this leads to complications in his relationship with Miaka. The romance between Miaka and Tamahome was my absolute favorite part of the show, and after 52 episodes of watching them struggle to be together, I was completely satisfied with the ending.

See, an essential part of the plot is the difference between the real world and the world of the book--it takes a while for Miaka to realize that the land she ends up in--the ancient China setting--actually is the book. Once she does, the question of whether the people she knows and loves in the book are actual people or just fictional characters comes up. Obviously, the biggest concern is over whether Tamahome's real or not seeing as he's the love interest, and towards the end of the series Miaka is forcibly sent back to the real world. Tamahome somehow manages to go with her, and they share a little time being comfortably together while Miaka shows Tamahome around her world. Unfortunately, he figures out on his own that he's not supposed to be there, by way of not seeing himself in the mirror--no reflection=not real, ne? It also helps that Miaka's best friend/enemy/person that wants Tamahome for herself tells him flat-out that he's a character from the book. This leads to him wandering around aimlessly for a while, feeling depressed at being fictional and not being able to really be with Miaka, until some random event makes him pull the, "As long as I can be with her I dun' care" speech.

During the climax of the anime/first half of the manga, all of the celestial warriors are pulled into the real world for a battle with the Big Bad. Once it's over, the creator of the world inside the book tells Miaka that it's time to say good bye to everyone, including Tamahome. Miaka asks if there's any way Suzaku can keep them together through the wishes, but the creator says there isn't.

Cut to two years later (or so, I think?), with Miaka having gotten into a decent high school (this was a minor plot point; like, reeeeallly minor) but feeling rather incomplete ever since the "ending" of her adventure. She's walking on campus with her best friend and older brother, not really paying attention to what's in front of her as he brother mentions that there's a new guy at his university. Said new guy has been talking about gods, priestesses, and being a celestial warrior in his dreams. He'd also mentioned how there was a girl he felt he had to find, no matter what. Suddenly, Miaka looks up, and there's Tamahome. He holds up his hand, showing her the impromptu wedding ring he had exchanged with Miaka before the final battle. She gasps and covers her mouth with her hands, showing her ring as well. As she cries, he says, "I finally found you", and the anime ends with the words "Wo ai ni" ("I love you") appearing on the screen, followed by "The end".

I WEPT LIKE A BABY EVERY TIME I SAW THAT. I never questioned how Tamahome got back to the real world, I never cared about what happened to them afterwards. I was completely satisfied with him being back, them being together, and the "The end" giving me the best closure any anime series has ever given me.

SO. Imagine, if you will, my trepidation in reading beyond that point in the manga. As I read on, the plot began to revolve around exactly how Tamahome had "gotten back" and what happened to them afterwards. Turns out, the dude isn't necessarily Tamahome, but a reincarnation named Taka. The god Suzaku runs on love power apparently, and he knew that the love between Miaka and Taka was going to be superduper powerful. So, because he couldn't wait for them to meet up and get to having a powerful love, he sent Miaka into the Universe of the Four Gods, and put Taka's soul into the character of Tamahome. Once the story in the book was over, Taka's soul went back to its body with the memories of Tamahome (I guess? It was never completely clear to me how Taka's soul was in the book even though he was born a few years before Miaka. Was it just a piece of his soul?).

This, I could have lived with. I could have accepted the name "Taka" despite having been a Tamahome fangirl for five years. I could have accepted that Tamahome, as in the guy born and raised in the ancient China setting of the book, was really Taka--that they were one and the same, set up in two different ways so Miaka could build a relationship with him strong enough to last from the book to the real world.

Except that wasn't the case.

At the very end of the last volume of the manga, Miaka and freaking-should-not-exist-Taka at staring at the starry night sky together, talking about how they're so grateful to Tamahome for allowing them to meet. About how Tamahome was basically a plot device created by Suzaku so that Miaka and Taka could meet. About how Tamahome is a separate character from Taka.

My mind broke.
My heart broke.

Tamahome....the guy I'd spent 52 long episodes watching fall in love with, and struggle to be with, Miaka is a separate character from the guy she ends up with?
Tamahome, the one who'd been apart of my favorite anime--which seemed to tout the theme of "true true love" like a neon banner--for five years, was just a stepping stone for Miaka to run off with someone else?
Someone else who, by the way, is nowhere near as entertaining or lovable as Tamahome? Someone who had nowhere near as much relationship development with Miaka as Tamahome did?

I mean, what did Taka have to go through? "Oh noes, am I Tamahome or is Tamahome me? Does Miaka love me or Tamahome? Oh look I'm the real guy and she picked me over Tamahome. Yaaaaaaay."
What did Tamahome have to go through?
--struggling with his feelings for Miaka despite being a celestial warrior and therefore someone only supposed to protect her as the priestess
--struggling with balancing his duty to his family as the eldest, most capable member and wanting to be with Miaka as a suitor
--helping Miaka on her journey and supporting her through the good and bad times
--helping her through her issues with her best friend/enemy
--struggling with his own powers as a celestial warrior
--dealing with whether or not he's fictional or "real"
--dealing with the fact that he probably won't be able to marry Miaka and stay with her because he's from the book
Etc. Etc. Et bloody cetera.

Because of that last little bit of WHAM in the manga, I raged for a good two or three weeks after the ending. I gave away all of the manga. I gave away the anime. I gave away the collector's items I'd saved up for, because I just couldn't stand to look at them.

I still don't like hearing about Fushigi Yuugi because part of me wants to keep on loving it--the characters, the utter sappiness of it all. But I know that I'd never be able to go through the anime again without thinking about the ending of the manga. It's, essentially, been tainted.

I know it's reallyreally a little childish to get so hung up over an anime/manga; I get that it's probably not worth getting so upset over, especially since it's been just over a year since I read the ending of the manga. But... Up until reading the ending, I'd been able to attach myself to everything I read/saw and really dig into it. Since reading it, I've become much more cynical in regards to anime and manga, and I find it difficult to feel attached to them anymore--at least, to the level I used to. Sure, I still have some series' that really get me, and some romances that really make my heart pound. But for the most part, I read 'em or watch 'em, then forget about them or just add them to my list of read/watched things and move on.

Even with the series' that I do grow attached to, it doesn't really last like things used to. At most, I'll feel really passionate about one for a week or two, and then it fades and I scrounge around for another to take its place. It's kind of tiring--I love having a series or character I just can't get enough of, and it makes me sad to realize that while I have favorites that last, their "presence" comes and goes, and at times I feel like I have to work to make myself like them as much as I had before.

....I dunno if that's making any sense, but that's best I can describe it I think, lol. The short of the long is, one of my favorite characters from Fushigi Yuugi was Tasuki, one of the celestial warriors of Suzaku. His dub voice was done by Daran Norris, and whenever I watch Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide, or even Fairly OddParents, I still hear Tasuki and grow incredibly sad remembering how much I enjoyed Fushigi Yuugi and how much I miss it. Today there were three straight episodes on of Ned's DSSG, and by the time they were over I missed Tasuki and all of the other characters so much I contemplated digging up the Fushigi Yuugi episodes for old time's sake. Then when I got upstairs to my room, I remembered the ending of the anime. Which reminded me of the ending of the manga. Which made me not ever want to see Fushigi Yuugi ever again.

And now I'm stuck with a quandary: I desperately miss the anime, and I know that I loved it separately from the manga long enough that it may be possible to see it as its own separate series altogether. However, try as I might, I can't seem to be able to disassociate the manga's ending from the anime's ending, which makes watching the anime at all seem pointless as it would just lead to me feeling sad all over again.

The most obvious choice present is to give it a shot and see what happens; just try and episode or two and see whether I can still enjoy it without thinking of the manga. The most obvious uncertainty with that, though, is that if I can't enjoy it without thinking of the manga, I'll have brought it all back into focus by watching the anime and I'll end up feeling miserable for a time when I could avoid it by not watching it at all.

IS A PUZZLEMENT.

ANIME. WHY YOU TOUCH MY HEART THIS WAY, HUH? WHY YOU GOTTA BRING A GIRL DOWN, YO shamefulcry0js.gif


^^^WARNING: It's really really long and rant-y and full of fangirl-y feelings.^^^

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:14 AM

Oh, isn't it horrible when the manga adaptation ends on an worse note then the anime? I felt similar with Yuyu Hakusho, one of my favourite shonen series, I absolutelly loved the ending of the anime, but when I readed the final chapter, I was surprised of how incredibly meh it was, it was just... so random, anyway, it was not same sensation you are having right now, but I still understand the pain.
You know what? Let me give you something to sheer you a little, this is an shoujo manga/anime series that I absolutelly love, which is extremelly rare, since I usually never like shoujos. The name is Aikitteneruze Baby, is the adorable history of an school playboy who have to suddenlly take care of his little cousin that was abandoned by her mother, and he learns of all the hardships and adorableness of being a father, and BTW, the ending is MUCH better then the one in Usagi drop. You can read it here if you feel like it: http://www.mangaread...eruze-baby.html

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:54 AM

QUOTE (alexander @ Aug 1 2011, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, isn't it horrible when the manga adaptation ends on an worse note then the anime? I felt similar with Yuyu Hakusho, one of my favourite shonen series, I absolutelly loved the ending of the anime, but when I readed the final chapter, I was surprised of how incredibly meh it was, it was just... so random, anyway, it was not same sensation you are having right now, but I still understand the pain.
You know what? Let me give you something to sheer you a little, this is an shoujo manga/anime series that I absolutelly love, which is extremelly rare, since I usually never like shoujos. The name is Aikitteneruze Baby, is the adorable history of an school playboy who have to suddenlly take care of his little cousin that was abandoned by her mother, and he learns of all the hardships and adorableness of being a father, and BTW, the ending is MUCH better then the one in Usagi drop. You can read it here if you feel like it: http://www.mangaread...eruze-baby.html

I've never looked into the manga for YuYu Hakusho; just enjoyed the anime as one that came on Toonami when I was a kid--sorry to hear the manga ending disappointed =(
I guess, for both of our series', the irony is that the manga came first and the anime versions we fell in love with were the adaptations. Still, hurts all the same since the adaptations are the stories we knew first, and it's tough accepting that the manga--the original--is the "right" ending.

D'aaw, you're sweet to keep giving me recommendations, but I've already read Aikitteneruze Baby ^^;; It is absolutely adorable; since the endings for it and Usagi Drop were so radically different I'm not gonna say either was better or worse, but the ending of Aikitteneruze Baby was definitely more satisfying.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 11:40 AM

That....is incredibly interesting.

I was visiting Tvtropes, and decided to look up Fushigi Yuugi on the offchance I'd come across something interesting.

And I did.

Under "Official Couple", it's mentioned that Yuu Watase originally wanted to keep Tamahome and Miaka separated in the end to keep the series realistic--what with him being a fictional character in-story and all. However, her editor at the time was a hopeless romantic and had her change it. While a bit of a stretch, thinks leads me to believe that technically the anime ending--which stopped just after Tamahome came back--is the closest to Watase's original intention. In other words, she may not have been for the idea of "Taka" either? Which makes sense: my biggest gripe with the second half of the manga is that Miaka doesn't end up with Tamahome, since he and Taka are distinguished as being separate from each other in the end. Along that vein, Watase kept her original intent in keeping Miaka and Tamahome apart--it could be assumed (heavily assumed) that Taka was never part of her original plan, and thus may not have even been something/someone she wanted to add to the story at all, but did because of her editor. So the anime's ending, though differing from her original intent in that Miaka and Tamahome are together again at the very end, could still fall closest to what she originally wanted since it has nothing to do with the second half of the manga at all. [/ramble]

...probably all just my desperation in canceling out the second half of the manga, but I'm gonna happily assume that the anime follows Watase's original intent more, and is therefore indeed a separate version.

Behold! The power of 4AM fangirl-ish thinking! XD



......although, just to be safe I'm gonna see how much info I can dig up on this later >>;; But for now, I've got to say I feel the best relief. I mean...I somehow feel like a chain holding the anime to the manga has been broken or something, like it's been set free and I can watch it without worry of the manga's continuation.

It's...a really good feeling. Sorta like something precious has been given back to me happy.gif

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Aug 2 2011, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've never looked into the manga for YuYu Hakusho; just enjoyed the anime as one that came on Toonami when I was a kid--sorry to hear the manga ending disappointed =(
I guess, for both of our series', the irony is that the manga came first and the anime versions we fell in love with were the adaptations. Still, hurts all the same since the adaptations are the stories we knew first, and it's tough accepting that the manga--the original--is the "right" ending.

D'aaw, you're sweet to keep giving me recommendations, but I've already read Aikitteneruze Baby ^^;; It is absolutely adorable; since the endings for it and Usagi Drop were so radically different I'm not gonna say either was better or worse, but the ending of Aikitteneruze Baby was definitely more satisfying.


W-what? It's not like I gave you this recomendations because I care about you Kushina, I-I just felt a little sorry for you ,alright? So don't take the wrong idea!!

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ Aug 2 2011, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
W-what? It's not like I gave you this recomendations because I care about you Kushina, I-I just felt a little sorry for you ,alright? So don't take the wrong idea!!

Nyaaaah, donmai, donmai little tsundere boy *pets* = w=

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Aug 2 2011, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nyaaaah, donmai, donmai little tsundere boy *pets* = w=


I suppose I didn't got an very positive reaction, did I? The last thing I will ever be is an tsundere, I'm more like that plain looking guy that quietly stays in the background watching the plot unfolds, with a rather creepy face....

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ Aug 2 2011, 05:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suppose I didn't got an very positive reaction, did I? The last thing I will ever be is an tsundere, I'm more like that plain looking guy that quietly stays in the background watching the plot unfolds, with a rather creepy face....

Ah... Well, I'm usually the person that tries to invite the creepy-faced guy in the background to join the plot lol. Doesn't always work, but I try.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:58 PM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Aug 2 2011, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah... Well, I'm usually the person that tries to invite the creepy-faced guy in the background to join the plot lol. Doesn't always work, but I try.


I'm pretty sure if I were to join I would ultimatelly create an extremelly socialy awkward situation between all the characters by saying something uncalled for.... While enjoying the situation with an rather creepy face. a_shifty.gif

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:09 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ Aug 2 2011, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure if I were to join I would ultimatelly create an extremelly socialy awkward situation between all the characters by saying something uncalled for.... While enjoying the situation with an rather creepy face. a_shifty.gif

B-but....you could still be part of the group. You'd be...the Silent Bob? With a creepy face?

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Aug 2 2011, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
B-but....you could still be part of the group. You'd be...the Silent Bob? With a creepy face?

Sure, if I grow my hair longer and gain some pounds, but I still wouldn't be as awesome as him.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:32 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ Aug 2 2011, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sure, if I grow my hair longer and gain some pounds, but I still wouldn't be as awesome as him.

I dunno if anyone ever can be, but it's still a role you could fill XD

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:43 PM

I can aways try, lol

Ah, I just remembered, I know an anime series that you must never had watched!


http://www.youtube.c...;feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.c...;feature=relmfu

Ok... this is not really an anime, but it tries, it's called girlchan in paradise, it's an parody of every cliche shonen series ever created, and sometimes also makes fun of anime dubs and censoring. Episode 1 is not that funny, but I aways crack up with 2 and 3.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ Aug 2 2011, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can aways try, lol

Ah, I just remembered, I know an anime series that you must never had watched!


http://www.youtube.c...;feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.c...;feature=relmfu

Ok... this is not really an anime, but it tries, it's called girlchan in paradise, it's an parody of every cliche shonen series ever created, and sometimes also makes fun of anime dubs and censoring. Episode 1 is not that funny, but I aways crack up with 2 and 3.

Oho, you're right--never heard of/seen it! I'll give it a watch later =)

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 02:03 PM

Oh, right, cheap adversement time, you see Kushina, probally next month I will start an webcomic series, so you are welcome to read, I will start giving updates on my blog page.

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#419 Grace

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ Aug 2 2011, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, right, cheap adversement time, you see Kushina, probally next month I will start an webcomic series, so you are welcome to read, I will start giving updates on my blog page.

=O Very cool! Any clues on what it's about, or do ya want it to be a surprise?

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 02:34 PM

QUOTE (Kushina @ Aug 2 2011, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
=O Very cool! Any clues on what it's about, or do ya want it to be a surprise?


I could be a jerk and not tell anything, but I'll let you know, it's fantasy medieval series about an mercenary called Alexander Reed (yeah, that's right Alexander, I'm not good coming up with names) and tell the story of how he becomes the chosen one to wield an legendary sword that is supposed to clear all evils of the world, something that already happened long time ago, but the problem is that our "hero" couldn't care less about this matter, and just want to use the magic sword for his own personal gain, then it comes to the main heroine to convince him to use the sword for a good cause, wich aways cause them to clash, and then they part on a epic journey to save the world. And well, that's pretty much the summary for now. But I still have time to change the script if I come up with an better idea.

Edited by alexander, 02 August 2011 - 02:34 PM.

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