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[Orenji]

Last reply after this I will move on from this topic, I starting to feel that I'm arguing with a NS fan/SS, but like NS more.

You know this girl?


She is Kotonoha Katsura from School Days. The love you said Sakura has for Sasuke I level it to the love Kotonoha felt for this boy.
Makoto.
The guys give her enough reason for her to move on to the point that he even dated another girl, but she still stated that she was in love with him, to where everyone thought she would kill herself from depression. Is the same with Sakura and Sasuke, he didn't gave her any reason to love him he even reach has far in trying to kill her, but she still holds and her crush, the only difference between Kotonoha is that Sakura has Naruto, someone that inspires her, help her, gives her faith that Team 7 will smile again and that he will keep her promise otherwise Sakura would let go of her feeling for Sasuke and become a train wreck. So NO love does not make you feel depressed, it gives you joy obsession on a crush that doesn't see you that way gives you depression.

So againg I'm not saying that Sakura doesn't have feeling for Sasuke, because she does, what I say her feeling are not genuine, proven by Manga not myself.

I gave you enough explination of love vs refusing to leg go a crush plus Sakura's flashback in Kage summit should be enough, but apparently not.

Love is when someone will stick by your side no matter what you do, clear example will be Itachi's last words to Sasuke that's genuine love.
Sakura doesn't like this Sasuke this Sasuke scares her, she wants the Sasuke from her fantasy.

Sorry, I know this was pages back but I had to go to work. Yes, let's stop because clearly we are both getting very frustrated with each other. Its very frustrating when two people are arguing about two different things.

Again, you are going on about something that I never said. I'm sorry if I didn't convey my meaning clearly in my posts. I never said that I thought Sakura loved Sasuke in part 2, which to me is what you are arguing about. Thats awesome that something like that happened in a completely unrelated anime, but that's not what I was saying. You seem to think that I believe if Sasuke showed feelings for Sakura, that she would jump all over it. No. All I simply stated in that one post is that I believe people underestimate Sakura's previous feelings for Sasuke and shove them to the side to often.

Also, I ship NS all the way. Please don't assume.

[Don-kun]

Genjutsu are confusing...they could easily be trapped in there for less then a day but it feels like it's been longer. I could easily say Itachi's makes this theory correct

Yes your theory is correct, Itachi put Kakashi in a 72 hours genjutsu. Was that 72 hour in the real world? No.

[Gravenimage]

Yes your theory is correct, Itachi put Kakashi in a 72 hours genjutsu. Was that 72 hour in the real world? No.

I remember Asuma and Kurenai while having their eyes closed they say it's been 3 seconds when Itachi tortured Kakashi for 72 hours, this proves the theory in AU world created by Tobi/Madara it may have been a day that Naruto and Sakura stayed in that genjutsu but in the real world it's been like an hour or two.

[Paptala]

You still dont get it, it's just a filler, It's a sample of what will happen on the movie, u didnt notice the movie poster on the wall when Au's sakura meets the rookies dont you?

1. The movie is just as much filler as the episode is
2. The episode was made for the sole purpose of promoting the movie, so its perfectly logical to see the connections that were clearly implied

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes your theory is correct, Itachi put Kakashi in a 72 hours genjutsu. Was that 72 hour in the real world? No.

the world he puts kakashi was totally different.
and the difference is it really alternates between day/night.

Edited by dovahkiin, 27 July 2012 - 10:54 PM.

[Branden]

So what's with Sakura's hair? Does she dye it or what?

[choco2]

dovahkiin your sign LOL

[Hak]

And that scene is point blank why Shikamaru is a poor battle tactician match for Naruto, while Sakura is perfect. Sakura is actually not that far behind Shikamaru in intelligence overall- Remember even in the written part of the Chunnin exams Sakura knew the answers to all 9 of the questions- without cheating, no Genin had even had the answer to one. Shikamaru didn't act like he knew them, he just figured out the object was to cheat and not get caught, he may have even got the answers from Sakura via Ino. Also Sakura was the person who figured out the whole of what white Zetsu was doing, and defeated the one that tried to attack her offguard, and even before that used on the spot strategy to get the fake Neiji to say something that revealed he was fake and kept her face free of react when the Zetsu fell into her quickly planned trap. Sakura's intelligence and tactics are similar to Minato's. I'm sure Minato and Kushina had times where they fought together and it would have been like Naruto and Sakura as a team, just with switched genders as far as fighting and tactic style goes.

I've been re-reading the manga lately and Ino did indeed give the answers to Chouji and Shikamaru.

I agree with Ciarda.
I think Shika, Sakura and Naruto represent three different styles of stratical/tactical thinking.
Shikamaru is great when the situation calls for good pre-planning and taking all the pieces into account. Shikas ability starts to lack evenly when the situation is changing and pre-planned things won't work (when his pre-plans with all the moves he thought ahead won't meet the reality). When situation changes radically, say enemy reinforcements, and he's not given time to think he's at his worst and his capability to adapt is below Sakuras.
Sakura is pretty good at grand strategy because that is something a good student can learn through time and work. She can adapt to situations ie. think with her feet better than Shikamaru. What helps Sakura most is that she has VERY wide knowledge around different areas, whereas Shikamaru is shown to take interest in just few things.
Naruto lacs in strategic thinking, it hasn't been shown that he could think about bigger picture, at all. Tactically he's been shown to be able to make small team tactics pretty well and that espesially on the fly.

Hmm. to make this clear (I have problems with expressing myself too clearly in foreing languages...) I'll put a bit of a numbers below 1(lovest)-5(greatest):

Shikamaru 5(long term planning, strategic), 4(mid term planning, tactical), 1(short term planning, on the fly)
Sakura 3, 3, 3
Naruto 1, 2, 5

So when given time Shika is the best, Sakura is like a jack of all trades and when old man Murphy throws his law on the field Naruto is the king.

Afterthought edit:
Where Naruto and Sakura differ the most from Shikamaru is that they are willing to try and do anything to win, even hit their heads against a stone wall enough that they get through it, whereas Shika has been shown to get frustrated and give up when the situation is above him. He isn't prepared to waste any resources to try something desperate, whereas Sakura and esspesially Naruto are more than willing and it has brought them success.

Edited by Hak, 27 July 2012 - 11:18 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah, takl is a Sakura basher (unfortunately so is Ohana. Sakura is well liked in Japan, but either the pro Sakura Japanese fans don't post spoilers on 2 chan, or more likely, takl, and the bilingual folks on NF ignore all the pro Sakura spoiler posters...

As for that comment, yep takl has distorted things negatively yet again. There is a period after the comment about Sasuke. the sentence about Sakura is entirely seperate, the Kung Fu Generation member is speaking about Naruto and Sakura's relationship as a topic not connected to Sasuke. Plus I'm just not seeing the words I know that translate as worried, concerned, anxious, etc... at all in that sentence, nor are they in my Japanese-English dictionary when I double checked. First I'll write it out in romanji for you all- Sakura to no kankei mo, dou naru ka ki ni naru to koro desu ne. It simply says in short coherent English- "As for the relationship with Sakura (meaning Naruto's), I am just waiting to see what happens."

Rather bland in reality, but I'd call it casually pro narusaku. He's saying he's interested in where Naruto and Sakura's relationship is going and is watching to see how it develops.

@ciardha
i'll put my thoughts i dont think that this guys is a narusaku fan but i think if kishi really wanted to make a movie or a perfect world for naruto he would make a movie with naruto sakura and sasuke with all their parents alive and team 7 fighting a villain.

but he make it only with naruto and sakura and plus with sakura with her parents dead and etc, he did not a make a movie of a team7 bond with the primary theme is famil, but he make naruto and sakura theme so important as the family theme, i think who watched the movie will leave the theater with a impression that narusaku is the best ending.
and i think that this guys resume everything, he wants to see what will happen with naruto and sakura relationship.


it reminds me of a scene on naruto generation when naruto and 4th had a talk, then appears all the things that the 4th sees inside naruto, then we got a picture of naruto head in the middle on the left side it was naruto and sakura together and on the right side it was kakashi.

Edited by dovahkiin, 27 July 2012 - 11:14 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Shikamaru 5(long term planning, strategic), 4(mid term planning, tactical), 1(short term planning, on the fly)

1? Did you not see the fight with Temari when he made all those ways to defeat her on the fly? Shikamaru should have a 5 in all of them. Shikamaru is much smarter than Sakura too just going by their feats and the databooks. Don't get me wrong though, Sakura is also pretty smart too just Shikamaru is smarter.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

1? Did you not see the fight with Temari when he made all those ways to defeat her on the fly? Shikamaru should have a 5 in all of them. Shikamaru is much smarter than Sakura too just going by their feats and the databooks. Don't get me wrong though, Sakura is also pretty smart too just Shikamaru is smarter.

Naruto is reckless even if sakura would make an strategy it would have been ended on the same way.

[Branden]

pro tip : when you make assumptions based off of assumptions your argument becomes weaker.

[Transformers03]

pro tip : when you make assumptions based off of assumptions your argument becomes weaker.

Agreed.

[HalfStarStudios]

Naruto is reckless even if sakura would make an strategy it would have been ended on the same way.

Seeing as how Sakura facepalmed when Naruto went out there, I have to agree.

[Branden]

Seeing as how Sakura facepalmed when Naruto went out there, I have to agree.

screencap that facepalm, it will be useful when responding to the NH fans that claim Naruto hates Sakura.

[HalfStarStudios]

screencap that facepalm, it will be useful when responding to the NH fans that claim Naruto hates Sakura.

Wait what? Here's the facepalm btw.

[Branden]

Wait what? Here's the facepalm btw.

perfect!

[HalfStarStudios]

perfect!

Ah! I finally understand what you meant. (i'm slow). xD I think I will use that whenever Sakura bashers insult Sakura with invalid reasons. "Your argument is so invalid that even Sakura facepalms."

[Hak]

1? Did you not see the fight with Temari when he made all those ways to defeat her on the fly? Shikamaru should have a 5 in all of them. Shikamaru is much smarter than Sakura too just going by their feats and the databooks. Don't get me wrong though, Sakura is also pretty smart too just Shikamaru is smarter.

In fact Shika made that plan when Temari gave him all the time for it being afraid of his shadow imitation so that could be listed in both long term and medium term plan. actually those terms should have been written as how much time they have to think for a plan also...
Basic example about thinking on the feet was Narutos plan when he and Sasuke freed Kakashi from Zabuzas water prison!
Theres a big difference between those two situations!

[HalfStarStudios]

In fact Shika made that plan when Temari gave him all the time for it being afraid of his shadow imitation so that could be listed in both long term and medium term plan. actually those terms should have been written as how much time they have to think for a plan also...
Basic example about thinking on the feet was Narutos plan when he and Sasuke freed Kakashi from Zabuzas water prison!
Theres a big difference between those two situations!

Thinking on the fly for Shikamaru? What about when he used Kakuzu's blood to trick Hidan into thinking he had Shikamarus blood so when Hidan stabbed himself, he killed one of Kakuzus hearts instead of Shikamaru's and all the while, Shikamaru acted like he was dead so Hidan wouldn't suspect a surprise attack from Shikamaru which ended up cutting his head almost off.