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[sushi.]

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but am I the only one who notices that we only see NH in dark times? (Like everything, there are a few exceptions like the ointment scene and "I'll let you cheat" scene in part 1)

 

Kishi has to go out of his way to either hurt someone physically or mentally, sometimes even kill someone before they can have a moment.

 

They don't talk to eachother unless they have to cheer eachother up (Proud failure scene, 559 and 615)

The Proud failure scene was good, but 559 and 615 was unnecessary because both characters should be over that stage by now. Not saying the chapters were irrelevant, just that the cheer up parts were poorly done.

Or in worst case scenario, someone has to die or sacrifice themselves to bring a NH moment. (Neji in 614 and Hinata in 437)

 

This can be a good thing, because we're all upset once in a while and need our loved ones to cheer us up. But when that's almost all that's driving NH, it's not weird that they only have moments every 50+ chapter. I would've believed NH more if they started talking on a regular basis before the war, but Naruto chose to spend time with Sakura and visit the Ichiraku place.

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Edited by sushi., 19 July 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[Psychox]

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but am I the only one who notices that we only see NH in dark times? (Like everything, there are a few exceptions like the ointment scene and "I'll let you cheat" scene in part 1)

 

Kishi has to go out of his way to either hurt someone physically or mentally, sometimes even kill someone before they can have a moment.

 

They don't talk to eachother unless they have to cheer eachother up (Proud failure scene, 559 and 615)

Or in worst case scenario, someone has to die or sacrifice themselves to bring a NH moment. (Neji in 614 and Hinata in 437)

 

This can be a good thing, because we're all upset once in a while and need our loved ones to cheer us up. But when that's almost all that's driving NH, it's not weird that they only have moments every 50+ chapter. I would've believed NH more if they started talking on a regular basis before the war, but Naruto chose to spend time with Sakura and visit the Ichiraku place.

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Mmmm , i catch your wind sister , they like drama and angst. Ointment? You mean the one he gave to SAkura?    i'd explain it to you but this guy did a gread job already.......

 

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[Canadian_DJ]

You could say that there are two heroines. I don't think there will be a romance ending. If I have to choose one, judging by latest development, it's possible that ichiruki could be the endgame. I mean they do have the development to be one, but it could end in a Yu Yu Hakusho style if shinigami love is not possible. But, due to latest development, yeah. Why you ask?

just wondering since i was confused. if you dont mind

 

This is a really interesting explanation about love in japanese since in the chapter number 98, the proud failure, when naruto told hinata, "i thought of you as a shy weirdo, but a person like you i really like" since like in japanese is 好き suki, so i freaked out, and researched, and it turns out it depends on the facial expression and intention.  and i've been doing research about it since narutos love for sakura has been described as suki and sakuras to naruto, instead of daisuki, but it turns out daisuki isnt important since it wasnt mentioned in this article about boyfriends and girlfriends in japan. Here it is:

 

 

Where’s the love?

You may have learned that 好き means ‘like,’ and that the Japanese word for ‘love’ is 愛. This is what your dictionary will probably tell you, but it’s important to understand thatsome Japanese words simply have no precise English equivalent, and vice-versa.

The same word can also have several different nuances depending on the context in which it is used, and it’s rare that all the possible nuances of a Japanese word directly correspond with those of any English word.

The words ‘like’, ‘love’, 好き and 愛 are some of those words. Even though my Japanese boyfriend of two years spoke English impeccably, he liked speaking to me in Japanese and that was the only language we spoke together. At one point I started feeling hurt because he never said ‘I love you’—or at least what I thought was the Japanese equivalent.

I thought the Japanese equivalent was 愛している. When I told my boyfriend this, he replied that most Japanese people had probably never said 愛している to anyone in their lives, or at least not in the same way we say ‘I love you’ in English.

The character 愛 is used in a lot of compound words, such as 愛情 (‘love’ as a noun, not a verb) and 愛犬 (‘beloved dog’). The verb 愛する, however, is generally only used in an exaggerated, almost silly sort of way (like fans shouting 愛してるよー！ to their favorite singer on stage) in everyday contexts.

If used in a serious way to describe affection for someone, though, it’s seen as describing a feeling so strong that it’s almost abstract. In fact, when I asked my Japanese boyfriend if he ‘loved’ me (私を愛してるの？), his response was ‘What is love?’ (愛って何？) I was confused and hurt by this at first, but later I learned to understand.

The word 好き can be translated as ‘like,’ such as when I say 「私は緑茶が好きです」 (I like green tea), or 「猫が好きです」 (I like cats). It can, however, also mean ‘love.’ To express feelings of affection for someone, a Japanese person will usually use 好き.

I had to learn to understand that for my Japanese boyfriend, 「好きだよ」 was just as meaningful as my ‘I love you’—but even so, he didn’t feel the need to say it or to hear it all the time.

Japanese people tend to express their emotions in less obvious ways, like through considerate actions or words of thanks. 好き only needs to be said once in a while, because most of the time it’s just understood.

And now I think we can get back to our interrupted love story. You’ve just blurted out 「好きです！付き合ってください！」 Your heart is beating a million miles an hour, but you finally manage to lift your eyes and look across the table to see the object of your affections looking embarrassed, but grinning from ear to ear. Your loved one says just one word: はい (Okay). And that’s all you need to hear.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 19 July 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[T XD]

 

 

 

Mmm... maybe but  i've already have a negative aspect of it andddd.. oh well i could give it a second chance..

 

Btw , are the pairing wars as exciting as in Naruto , i've heard orihime=Hinata , Rukia is obvious...

Yeah, Orihime = Hinata and Rukia = Sakura, but Orihime doesn't just revolve around Ichigo. She has other things as well cause she's a main character and shows up a lot more than Hinata in the manga.

 

From what I know, no, the pairing wars aren't on the same level as in Naruto. It's less heated. But, at times, they have their heated quarrels.

 

@ Canadian_DJ: That's an interesting finding

Edited by T XD, 19 July 2013 - 06:41 PM.

[Psychox]

Yeah, Orihime = Hinata and Rukia = Sakura, but Orihime doesn't just revolve around Ichigo, she has other things as well cause she's a main character, and shows up a lot more than Hinata in the manga.

 

From what I know, no, the pairing wars aren't on the same level as in Naruto. It's less heated. But, at times, they have their heated quarrels.

 

@ Canadian_DJ: That's an interesting finding

 

 

, well that is nice to hear , i may check it out then.

[Canadian_DJ]

So whenever naruto's "suki" towards sakura in the manga wad translated as "like" thats wrong, because narutos face expression was blushing and serious, becuase the suki naruto meant was "love". And the time naruto told hinata, "a person like you I like" it wasnt love, but it was "like" Thats why it was translated as like. For example in japanese you can say, "I like dogs" the "like" is gonna be "suki" but not "love" but "like" or when you tell your friends you "like" them, itll be "suki" but not "love".

Just wanted to clear that up with megi just in case

It turns out that suki is a stronger form of love than daisuki. Heres a japanese forum explaining it http://forum.wordref...ad.php?t=550770 suki has more romantic canotations than daisuki

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 19 July 2013 - 07:58 PM.

[megi]

What westerners forget us although suki is less stronger than daisuki in literal terms, it is hardly ever more romantic than suki itself. It has everything to do with context. Daisuki is used a lot in a sort of "in the moment" things, while suki itself is used to portray the base feeling of love.

So this whole
Suki-daisuki-aikitteneru stuff is correct but only in literal terms.

Edit: the reason why there is not best translation is due to the fact that LOVE is a western concept

Edited by megi, 19 July 2013 - 08:29 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

What westerners forget us although suki is less stronger than daisuki in literal terms, it is hardly ever more romantic than suki itself. It has everything to do with context. Daisuki is used a lot in a sort of "in the moment" things, while suki itself is used to portray the base feeling of love.
So this whole
Suki-daisuki-aikitteneru stuff is correct but only in literal terms.
Edit: the reason why there is not best translation is due to the fact that LOVE is a western concept

So I was right saying suki is more romantic than daisuki eh? Oh and dont forget the personal message I sent you if you dont mind. So everything I said was correct? Or was there a mistake?

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 19 July 2013 - 08:37 PM.

[redragon88]

What westerners forget us although suki is less stronger than daisuki in literal terms, it is hardly ever more romantic than suki itself. It has everything to do with context. Daisuki is used a lot in a sort of "in the moment" things, while suki itself is used to portray the base feeling of love.

So this whole
Suki-daisuki-aikitteneru stuff is correct but only in literal terms.

Edit: the reason why there is not best translation is due to the fact that LOVE is a western concept

 

I think you talked about it before, but when Sakura confessed to Naruto and she looked to the side do you think that was a subconscious reaction of Sakura doubting her words? Or was it simply because of the embarrassment of confessing in public?

 

What was the japanese reaction to that moment?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I dont watch the anime anymore, but what they did didnt make a difference in intention, naruto told hinata not to look down on herself cuz shes strong, naruto came in time to save hinata, shino, kiba and it wasnt romantic, so I dont know why people are saying its really different.

About chap 615 in the anime, yeah narusaku will most likely be canon when that time comes, but I doubt they're gonna do what they did in the confession chapter. Thats a bet.
why in merlins beard do some people keep saying that hinata is gonna take it hard cuz naruto didnt return her feelings. Ok first off, was hinata EVER portrayed in the manga as persuing naruto romantically? No its only been seen her chasing after him in terms of improving, which we sae her resolve In chapter 633 when she said, "i wanted to be by naruto-kuns side" and that he keeps moving forward and improving and that she'll keep improving even if its one step. She didnt say she wants to be with hin and shes gonna be in a relationship with him. Hinatas character isnt for romance, even in the kizuna book she wasnt in the romantic part of the book. Kishi doesnt focuse on hinatas character and he's already ended it, why are we still carrying it on?

 

I can see our interpretations of Hinata differ from here.  I took Hinata's "hand" declaration as entirely romantic and it was then she decided to pursue Naruto romantically. I believe once that acknowledgement for Hinata was enough, but I don't think she feels like that now.  Hinata's character is shrouded with romance, are you kidding? She revolves entirely around her feelings for Naruto, she has no other goals anymore.

 

I also don't think Hinata knows Naruto fell in love with Sakura.  True there was the hug part, but her lack of sadness was how I saw she didn't take the hug as romantic.

 

I'm willing to agree this is only speculation, but it's just how I feel over Hinata. Therefore I do think she'll be sad.

[Inferno180]

All I'm hoping for in future chapters when downtime returns, most likely after the climax of the jubbito situation, I hope we can get a brief moment of downtime for the aftermath of the war and some small development before Naruto vs Sasuke, I just want to see a bit more of the NS humor we like, kinda like from 631 and 632 recently, thats the kind of humor that made the earlier arcs so enjoyable.

 

This is a notion though as to how will the hokage position open up, we thought if Tsunade died, it would be easy done and open. But since she is alive and all well, will she somehow die (if kishi intends to do it for real if she is heavily injured a second time) or would she step down believing her successor to be the one who can best implement their view?

 

Something tells me it will go like this: After the war, because Sasuke and Orochimaru helped end the war, there is a degree of their criminal vs aid record and how things should turn out. Naruto would have intervention for sure to cause an impact, but for Tsunade herself, I believe she may just step down given how it was also part of her will to keep Sasuke out of the marked targets, to let him roam. Because of her benevolence towards Naruto and Sakura, keeping Sasuke out of the bingo book so long did allow him to do his bad acts before turning to help in the war. Something tells me Tsunade will speak a big speech about the hokage, name Naruto her successor but due to Sasukes situation of criminal and aiding the allaince, but most would be untrusting still and just want to senteince Sasuke to prision or death because of what he did, but Naruto knowing this would only restart things would most likely want a fight with Sasuke in order to see who would become hokage, others would reject it, but because Naruto has the best talk no jutsu, he would explain how in someways Sasuke was right, the system of shinobi is what lead to the war and made Sasuke do his crimes, but that he and Sasuke learned the hard way the ugly truths of the world and how they both have their ideals to change the system, taking a part from UNS3, after beating obito, the villages resolved to reorganize their academys and village power so the system in the manga is going to change, but who ushers in that change is up to the new hokage. People would accept Naruto's intervention and the fight for hokage would lead up from there, but we know Naruto will win because he knows the real reasons for being hokage and the right way to do it and solve the problems with Sasuke. Basically as the sages sons began the fight, naruto and Sasuke will end it and after that fight they achieve the peace the sage and Jiraya always believed in. Rather they usher in what Hashirama and Madara originally dreamed of and keep it better, as their conflict would be behind them now. I just hope somewhere along these lines we get more NS stuff before the fight, more humor never hurt.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, Hinata will be just fine. If she didn't realize about Naruto's love and if she does here, well she can go two routes. One is understanding and let it be bygone. She could understand and walk out and let them embrace without any pain. Perhaps pain inside but nothing in visual. The second one is be happy but cry one and last time that she lost his love. That said she will move on normally.

I would say she has 3 options, but the third one is more heroine/main character exclusive because the third one is like second only brings drama to the mix that also brings the male main character. Not only that, but the girl reaction is more in pain and not moving forward because the love is "too strong." Ever notice when they see their love interest kissing or embrace love and they get upset but didn't drop feeling? Sakura has that.

Why am I not including Hinata? It's not just because she's not a main character but because her last reaction to a moment says "How nice," rather than something that will have her hurt or run from the scene. That means she is ok but the only question is how strong can she take it when the time comes IF she truly don't know. She could have know now already and already display option 1, understand, happy, hurt inside but happy overall. So that's how I see. Honestly, Hinata's part is done with Naruto in romance probably because it wasn't made to go anywhere.

[StriderC]

As an IH shipper I dont agree with TXD on some things. IR isn't more obvious and Orihime is nothing like Hinata. Orihime has a bigger part in Ichigos life than Hinata does for Naruto. She understands ichigo more than Hinata does toward Naruto and she's a main character. IH has been built up also and its not a couple that makes no sense. At this point though I don't even think there's gonna be a couple in bleach. 

 

Lol They both have a shot though. A pretty equal one at that.

Edited by StriderC, 20 July 2013 - 02:50 AM.

[StriderC]

I still don't understand this "IR had the scale in their favor". How in the world is this? 

[Tsubaki]

I don't understand what is going on in the oposite fandom anymore! it seems like a mix between saying that parallels aren't important  and mean nothing to the story and try to prove that MK parallel NH .. I think even they are confused with their arguments.

 

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Edited by Tsubaki, 20 July 2013 - 03:19 AM.

[StriderC]

I don't understand what is going on in the oposite fandom anymore! it seems tthat mix between saying that parallels aren't important  and mean nothing to the story and try to prove that MK parallel NH .. I think even they are confused with their arguments.

 

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Lmao. This is so much fail. I mean, what more can be said regarding the parallels that feature MK. Do they not realize that MK was MODELED after NS?? Nuff said!! 

[StriderC]

And since when was Hinata jonin level???

[megi]

So I was right saying suki is more romantic than daisuki eh? Oh and dont forget the personal message I sent you if you dont mind. So everything I said was correct? Or was there a mistake?

 

Mmm...it all depends on the situation. Always always always look at CONTEXT. Japanese is a hard language to grasp hahaha. And will do!

 

 

 

I think you talked about it before, but when Sakura confessed to Naruto and she looked to the side do you think that was a subconscious reaction of Sakura doubting her words? Or was it simply because of the embarrassment of confessing in public?

 

What was the japanese reaction to that moment?

 

redragon - the reason why she looked away from Naruto was because she knew she was hiding something from him. Naruto is known as someone who can see into another's heart. That is why Sakura looked away. She knew that he would know that she is hiding something. That part is what is known as the lie. Many Japanese believe that Sakura will confess once again, without anything hidden.

[bthug]

I see we're on Bleach now, I keep up the anime on toonami so plz no spoilers :) But from what i've seen outside of a few moments Kubo does a good or bad (however u wanna look at it) job of not making it to romantic. I get easily attached to romances, but not so much with bleach. Ichigo has never really brought it up and the two girls seem to be at a balance.

 

Orihime seems to show attraction to Ichigo at times, but when Ichigo goes to save her it just feels different. As for Rukia and Ichigo they seem more like really good friends. Besides I always got the feeling their was something between Rukia and Renji....this is just my opinion.

 

But so far I'm kinda glad I haven't been dragged into shipping like Narusaku..its too demanding lol.

[arian_rad]

I don't understand what is going on in the oposite fandom anymore! it seems like a mix between saying that parallels aren't important  and mean nothing to the story and try to prove that MK parallel NH .. I think even they are confused with their arguments.
 

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To add in to what strider said When did hinata save naruto from pain? She didn't even try to save him at that. She just jumped in, faught against him without ever trying to remove the spikes, and then got tossed aside like she was nothing. Also, kushina's passion was not minato!! Lmfao. She wanted to be acknowledged so she said she would be hokage, right in the beginning.

Edited by arian_rad, 20 July 2013 - 03:43 AM.