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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:36 PM

what do u guys think?

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Anyway, what you said about Sakura being in love with Sasuke and Naruto at the same time, well I do agree essentially - she loves both Naruto and Sasuke, so much so that they dominate her life (or maybe that's just the way Kishi writes it ).

With Naruto, her love is hard to define. So many things about that confession seemed so wrong - especially the part where she said that Sasuke was distant whereas Naruto had always stuck by her. Made him sound like a consolation prize. But what a lot of people fail to aknowledge is that ultimately, had Naruto accepted her, they would have become a couple - Saskura must have been aware of that or she wouldn't have put it in that manner. And however unromantic a beginning the relationship would have had, it also has seem strong foundations to build on. That said, I'm still not buying that its romantic love at the moment - it clearly hadn't occured to Sakura to love anyone else but Sasuke in that way until recently and she's obviousle having a hard time letting him go. Until she does, Naruto doesn't stand a chance - especially if he wants all of her attention as opposed to something half-hearted.

With Sasuke, its not a s clear cut as a lot of the SS fans seem to think either. She was completely in love with Sasuke and her focus for the last 3 years or so has been bringing him back. I think that she's still in love with the boy that he was - regardless of the man that he's becoming (as 484 showed). Plus he was her comrade and her team mate and I think she feels a responsibility to him. She's still tied to him in many ways and I think he will always be deeply precious to her in a way that Naruto isn't (at the moment).

I think - just in terms of Sakura's feelings - Naruto and Sasuke won't compete properly for her affections until they are both back on the same side, on her team again, both with a fighting chance if that makes sense. Then its a case of the best man winning but until then I think it will be Sasuke (unless of course they decide to kill Sasuke but I can't see that happening - it would go against everything the manga has stood for!).

Either way, I don't like seeing Sakura this way either - I keep getting over the revelations that turn up each week, forgetting that for Sakura its only been a few minutes between chapters and she's still going to be going through turmoil. I just want this madness bit with the Sauce to be over. At least, I don't think Sasuke will be redeemed and decide to come home all in this fight with Naruto but I do hope that Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi are going to realise that killing him won't help - that they will have to save him some other way. Or something. I hate the idea of him as the main villain. Especially as whetver I do I can't hate him. He's just too cool and too sympathetic a character. It just sucks seeing him like this

As for not deserving redemption - surely that harder and further he falls, the better the redemption (as long as Kishi can write it well enough). Over at SS they were wondering how guilty Sasuke will feel after he has seen the light or whatever. I think originally he was a person who had a great deal of inegrity so he will feel it really badly. They were wondering how he will try to make it up to her - if he thinks that he can. Its a sweet thing to look forward to




she thinks sasuke will be redeemed and that ss might happen

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what do u guys think?





she thinks sasuke will be redeemed and that ss might happen


I highly doubt that Sakura would say" it's all right Sasuke-kun I love you and I forgive you for trying to kill me three times it's okay" sweatdrop.gif facepalm.png Also Sasuke would love Sakura when pigs fly.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what do u guys think?





she thinks sasuke will be redeemed and that ss might happen


*rolls eyes* surely she is a strong SS lover, I respect that for her sticking with her pairing through everything, but even when Sasuke was not evil he didn't care for her - in fact he'd call her annoying and never acknowledged her existence, Sasuke was hardly even a team mate, thinking Sakura and Naruto were weak, but when he saw what Naruto's Rasengan could do he got jealous and angry, Sasuke is the kind of guy who wants to be better then everyone and everyone to acknowledge the Uchiha. Naruto is a caring guy that wants to be acknowledged but he isn't a maniac as you can see. Sakura is obviously not going to be with Sasuke if he is redeemed, I'm sure she won't easily let go of him trying to kill her over and over again - she's always had Naruto by her side through everything, and he'd gladly take a beating for so who do you think she'd choose? The guy who's always loved her, was with her through hard times, protected her and ect or the guy that tries to kill her three-four times, gagged her, and continously called her annoying and never acknowledged her. Remember when they learned to climb trees and Sakura was the ones to get on top first? who was the one that found her amazing? Naruto did. Also, when he went Kyuubi, Sakura yelled at him with tears that she'd bring Sasuke back for him, see? She just wanted Naruto back. What was that about Sakura being IN love with Sasuke? Hm, a twelve-year-old girl has a crush on the cutest guy in her class, doesn't that sound familiar to anyone? Everyone's had a crush, they get over it and move forward with there lives if it doesn't work out, which is exactly what Sakura is doing now, she's moving on from Part 1 Sasuke and going on to Naruto, the guy that's always been there, even when she wasn't so nice to him.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE (SS3 Goku @ Feb 27 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no im positive NH is a crack pairing and there is no dening it you mite but its true

i wasent even thinking of 437 now drop it


Maybe it is maybe not but I do know one thing. Japanese don't over rate Hinata or treat her like a mighty queen, or like she was the main character of the manga like people from the west usually do. They know very well that she's just a secondary character that is not important to the main story and they do know she's weak and she has her flaws like all characters from the manga. This is why Kishi is a genius he makes his characters as real as they are, making them more human that's the key. And among them the most realistic and human character is Sakura it must mean why they hate her so much. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:13 PM

I think it's kind of impolite to use the terms "crack pairing" for even one sided cushes in the manga. If you know manga plotlines as well as I do it's always been clear neither naruhina or sasusaku had any chance of happening, but the fact Kishimoto had the girl at some point feel like she was in love with the boy even though neither boy had the slightest interest in the girl takes it out of the realm of "crack pairing". Lee's love for Sakura is as real as Hinata's on Naruto's or Sakura's formerly being in love with Sasuke. None of these three are crack pairings. (Nor is Rin for Kakashi, Obito for Rin, nor Kabuto's for Orochimaru, and it appears perhaps Madara's for Hashirama, and Sasuke's for Naruto as well (love/hate at it's finest!), for that matter) but none of these had or have any chance of happening. It's unrequited love rather than crack pairings, crack pairings are things like Might Guy and Tsume Inuzuka (Kiba's mom), Kakashi and Iruka, etc... pairings there's no evidence whatsoever that either character has ever had even a second thinking romantically of the other.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:17 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Feb 27 2010, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's kind of impolite to use the terms "crack pairing" for even one sided cushes in the manga. If you know manga plotlines as well as I do it's always been clear neither naruhina or sasusaku had any chance of happening, but the fact Kishimoto had the girl at some point feel like she was in love with the boy even though neither boy had the slightest interest in the girl takes it out of the realm of "crack pairing". Lee's love for Sakura is as real as Hinata's on Naruto's or Sakura's formerly being in love with Sasuke. None of these three are crack pairings. (Nor is Rin for Kakashi, Obito for Rin, nor Kabuto's for Orochimaru, and it appears perhaps Madara's for Hashirama, and Sasuke's for Naruto as well (love/hate at it's finest!), for that matter) but none of these had or have any chance of happening. It's unrequited love rather than crack pairings, crack pairings are things like Might Guy and Tsume Inuzuka (Kiba's mom), Kakashi and Iruka, etc... pairings there's no evidence whatsoever that either character has ever had even a second thinking romantically of the other.


Kakashi and Anko as well as Sakura with any member of Akatsuki are examples of crack pairings.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:29 PM

i changed it around

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Feb 28 2010, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*rolls eyes* surely she is a strong SS lover, I respect that for her sticking with her pairing through everything, but even when Sasuke was not evil he didn't care for her - in fact he'd call her annoying and never acknowledged her existence


I hate SS alot but, Sakura was like that towards Naruto, Ne?

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:29 PM

only at the beginninng of chapter 3 after that she acknowledged his existence quite a lot
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QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Feb 27 2010, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First of all, NH is not a crack pairing in Japan. It has around the same popularity as NS, and I doubt you would call NS a crack pairing.

Second, you need to stop referring to those who don't agree with you or the confession as non-Sakura fans or bashers. A lot of real NS fans had issues with the confession, so stop trying to act like thinking it was anything other than sincere makes us less of a fan. It bothers me when someone talks bad about one pairing fandom blindly following a pairing when they themselves do it in their own pairing fandom.

alright than im sorry


i think 450 ended NH with the hinata smile i jest think after 47 chapters i dont know

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:28 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Feb 28 2010, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
only at the beginninng of chapter 3 after that she acknowledged his existence quite a lot


yea but even then she wasn't very nice, ne?

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Devil Keyz @ Feb 27 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yea but even then she wasn't very nice, ne?


It's all part of her tsundere character she acts mean but she can be very kind and gentle too.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:50 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Feb 27 2010, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's all part of her tsundere character they act mean but they can be very kind and gentle too.


yes i agree it was jest part of her growing up.

jest like how her feelings for naruto have grown to a very confused romance and will continue to grown till they have fully matured.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Devil Keyz @ Feb 27 2010, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yea but even then she wasn't very nice, ne?


No but then again knowing the part 1 naruto I knew, I wouldnt neccesarily be nice to him either. Naruto of part 1 was quite frankly an obnoxious , arrogant and downright loud little bastard.

Its no wonder given his actions and from Sakuras perspective that she felt the way she did about him. It is also no wonder though that it took time for her to really see him. As Naruto himself had a ways of growing up to do. But he did and so she began to see him and recognize in him that kindred spirit he saw in her.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Feb 27 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No but then again knowing the part 1 naruto I knew, I wouldnt neccesarily be nice to him either. Naruto of part 1 was quite frankly an obnoxious , arrogant and downright loud little bastard.

Its no wonder given his actions and from Sakuras perspective that she felt the way she did about him. It is also no wonder though that it took time for her to really see him. As Naruto himself had a ways of growing up to do. But he did and so she began to see him and recognize in him that kindred spirit he saw in her.


Yeah, and also the manga tells the story much better than the anime adaption. The anime tends to overplay character faults for comedic effects. (particularly for Naruto and Sakura)
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE (pinkheartsyellowstars @ Feb 27 2010, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In relating to the previous events, all i can say is, there are so many arguments used by other pairing fandoms, that can even lead to a pairing war/useless discussions. dry.gif
Example of this would be:
Accordoring to SS
A murder attempt, even 3, can be forgiven. SHE STILL LOVES HIM, after all. sleep.gif

However, Sakura lying to Naruto about her affections? BRUTAL, HORRIBLE, UNFORGIVABLE.( i thoroughly did not believe that Sakura's confession to Naruto is a LIE) sleep.gif

Sasuke attempting to kill Karin, too? IRREDEEMABLE, PSYCHOTIC, UNFORGIVABLE. dry.gif


Hahaha.... what?! they are soooooo controversial with their comments... why would they want the evil-psycho-emo second-main character end with the heroine in the plot (according with Kishimotos words in the last interview), while the main character (Naruto) has to stay alone (as Hokage maybe, but alone... cause I dont really count Hinata in on this one)... its absurd.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE (Klos @ Feb 27 2010, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hahaha.... what?! they are soooooo controversial with their comments... why would they want the evil-psycho-emo second-main character end with the heroine in the plot (according with Kishimotos words in the last interview), while the main character (Naruto) has to stay alone (as Hokage maybe, but alone... cause I dont really count Hinata in on this one)... its absurd.


I hear you but to understand the manga we have to see it from a logical and realistic point of view. The manga is called Naruto he's the hero of the story and it's basically about him struggling and enduring all kinds of hardships in order to fulfill his life long dream and goals. As the hero of the story after enduring so much he obligatory must:

1. Fulfill his dream (becoming Hokage)
2. Bring peace to the world fulfilling his teacher's dream.
3. Winning the heart of the girl he has always love since the beginning of the manga (Sakura no duh)

What's the point of Naruto suffering and going through hell if he doesn't fulfill the things said above? what will be the point of the story in the first place? unless Kishi plans to screw up Naruto big time by making him fail in becoming Hokage, no bringing peace to the world and letting Sakura to go with psycho emo.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyway, what you said about Sakura being in love with Sasuke and Naruto at the same time, well I do agree essentially - she loves both Naruto and Sasuke, so much so that they dominate her life (or maybe that's just the way Kishi writes it ).


I agreed that Sakura does love both boy

QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With Naruto, her love is hard to define. So many things about that confession seemed so wrong - especially the part where she said that Sasuke was distant whereas Naruto had always stuck by her. Made him sound like a consolation prize. But what a lot of people fail to aknowledge is that ultimately, had Naruto accepted her, they would have become a couple - Saskura must have been aware of that or she wouldn't have put it in that manner. And however unromantic a beginning the relationship would have had, it also has seem strong foundations to build on. That said, I'm still not buying that its romantic love at the moment - it clearly hadn't occured to Sakura to love anyone else but Sasuke in that way until recently and she's obviousle having a hard time letting him go. Until she does, Naruto doesn't stand a chance - especially if he wants all of her attention as opposed to something half-hearted.


To me, That part was the most sincere of the confession especially when she said that Naruto bring her peace. The smile that she gave when she hug him seem very sincere. However, I agreed that, when she was saying that Sasuke was distance and unrecognizable, it seem more like that she was trying to convince Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke. So yes, I partly agreed about the fact that this part was wrong.


QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With Sasuke, its not a s clear cut as a lot of the SS fans seem to think either. She was completely in love with Sasuke and her focus for the last 3 years or so has been bringing him back. I think that she's still in love with the boy that he was - regardless of the man that he's becoming (as 484 showed). Plus he was her comrade and her team mate and I think she feels a responsibility to him. She's still tied to him in many ways and I think he will always be deeply precious to her in a way that Naruto isn't (at the moment).


Completely in love is questionable. I could say that she love him but she seem to have gave up when we see her holding the handle of the hospital door when she hear Naruto saying that Sasuke got away. Of course, this could also mean that she was too shock to believe about the new and when she was saying to Naruto ' Why'd you apologizing?', she had the same fake smile as Naruto when he's trying to hide his pain but it was Naruto that gave her the motivation to not give up. So, to me, if she was really IN LOVE, surely she wouldn't have abandon that easily.

I agreed that Sasuke will be precious to her his a way that Naruto isn't because Sasuke is her first love. Even if she choose Naruto in the end, nothing will change that.

QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think - just in terms of Sakura's feelings - Naruto and Sasuke won't compete properly for her affections until they are both back on the same side, on her team again, both with a fighting chance if that makes sense. Then its a case of the best man winning but until then I think it will be Sasuke (unless of course they decide to kill Sasuke but I can't see that happening - it would go against everything the manga has stood for!).


She said that Sakura love both boy in her first statement yet, if Sasuke come back, it will necessarily mean that Sasuke will be her final choice. I really have to disagreed with that because, in the time that Sasuke is redeem and come back, she could have all the time to reconsider her feeling for him. The fact that she couldn't kill him in both time mean that she wasn't ready to face him and take the responsibility to kill him because she did it only for Naruto, she wasn't thinking about her need at that time. The fact that she did it only for Naruto was, in a way, very touching and that prove that she care for him enough to take this burden herself but as soon as Sasuke ask her to kill Karin, we could clearly see her hesitation to kill him instead. In a way, I can agreed that she still love Sasuke but that doesn't mean that it will stay that way.

QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Either way, I don't like seeing Sakura this way either - I keep getting over the revelations that turn up each week, forgetting that for Sakura its only been a few minutes between chapters and she's still going to be going through turmoil. I just want this madness bit with the Sauce to be over. At least, I don't think Sasuke will be redeemed and decide to come home all in this fight with Naruto but I do hope that Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi are going to realise that killing him won't help - that they will have to save him some other way. Or something. I hate the idea of him as the main villain. Especially as whetver I do I can't hate him. He's just too cool and too sympathetic a character. It just sucks seeing him like this


I agreed that killing Sasuke is not the solution to help him but that doesn't mean that this possibility can't be consider. If there is no other solution then Naruto ( because I think that we can all agreed that it will be Naruto that will take that decision) will kill him to prevent Sasuke from destroying Konoha. Of course, Naruto will probably ( and I hope that he will) try one last attempt to redeem Sasuke without killing him but, like Gaara said, if Naruto want to take the role of Hokage, he'll have to learn to take hard decision and Sasuke's fate is the first one.

QUOTE (firegirl @ Feb 27 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for not deserving redemption - surely that harder and further he falls, the better the redemption (as long as Kishi can write it well enough). Over at SS they were wondering how guilty Sasuke will feel after he has seen the light or whatever. I think originally he was a person who had a great deal of integrity so he will feel it really badly. They were wondering how he will try to make it up to her - if he thinks that he can. Its a sweet thing to look forward to


I agreed that, if he can be redeem, he'll certainly feel guilty. However, it won't be only for Sakura but for Naruto, Kakashi as well. As far as I can tell, Sasuke never look at Sakura as a 'potential girlfrend' but as a teammate and the fact that he's back won't change just because he feel guilty for trying to kill her. Personnally, I woudn't want that and it not only because I'm a NS fan but because it would be very un-Sasuke-like to love her like that considering that I never saw any sign that could lead that he love her ( the only potential sign was the 'thank you' scene but even so, that doesn't proof 100% that it was because he accept her love, it could simply mean that he was grateful that she care for him). What bug me in that statement is that it's good that Sasuke decide to love Sakura out of guilt but it not when it Sakura do it toward Naruto when she confess to him. ( because, to me, that is the same kind of situation).

Edited by silverserenity, 27 February 2010 - 11:58 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Feb 27 2010, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hear you but to understand the manga we have to see it from a logical and realistic point of view. The manga is called Naruto he's the hero of the story and it's basically about him struggling and enduring all kinds of hardships in order to fulfill his life long dream and goals. As the hero of the story after enduring so much he obligatory must:

1. Fulfill his dream (becoming Hokage)
2. Bring peace to the world fulfilling his teacher's dream.
3. Winning the heart of the girl he has always love since the beginning of the manga (Sakura no duh)

What's the point of Naruto suffering and going through hell if he doesn't fulfill the things said above? what will be the point of the story in the first place? unless Kishi plans to screw up Naruto big time by making him fail in becoming Hokage, no bringing peace to the world and letting Sakura to go with psycho emo.


Totally true biggrin.gif

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You have never touched me, but I felt you.
You have never said I love you, but I already knew it.
You have been there for me and I didn't ask for it.
The time will come when no hesitation will present
and the feelings will express themselves...

#4120 Gravenimage

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Klos @ Feb 27 2010, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Totally true biggrin.gif

By the way... from which episode is your avatar from?


I don't remember it must be from one of the many omakes during the twelve ninja guardians filler arc I think.

Edited by Gravenimage, 28 February 2010 - 12:02 AM.

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