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[Nostradamus]

What's it?

I'm referring to my comment from the Gaiden thread. About them making the right call.

[Hanabi]

What on earth is that?

FV of the new era

Edited by Hanabi, 12 September 2015 - 02:35 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

FV of the new era

I guess so. I mean black market does sound like appropriate villain.

[Nar123]

creepy

 

What the fu*k

[trang95]

creepy

Imma have nightmares tonight.

[Gaara's hair]

I see Kojima's name.

[TheFirstEvil100]

The peace concept itself is really stupid. There is no way to instill everlasting peace unless the entire human race is wiped out since we as a race pride on violence and greed, two main contributing factors to war and other conflicts. With a series like Naruto, where they're ninja, the peace goal was doomed from the start.

Unless your story is about showing how peace is impossible, it can't be done. If I'm wrong and there is a story out there that does peace correctly in a believable way, please point it out to me.

Yeah I mean Kishi just does not see that its something he can't think of I mean we as humans are evil we kill and we destory for either money or power or god knows what else that is why Kishi is a bad writer. I mean a writer needs to know what is going on look at Star Trek that show still had wars in it.

 

 

 

And this is why I keep saying that Naruto was/still is being completely naive, thus far from ready from being Hokage.

Jiraiya may have wished for "true peace", but even he could separate the reality of the world from his own fantasies, hence why he immediately tried to talk Naruto out of chasing down Sasuke when he awoke in the hospital, because he himself already knew what doing so entailed by his own attempt with Orochimaru, and with the way Sasuke was going, he would end up worse than Orochimaru or even Madara (even Kurama commented during the reunion on how Sasuke's chakra is "more sinister than" Madara's). It only got worse when you have, aside from the lesson of "you create your own destiny" being tossed aside, the whole stupid "Child of Prophecy" crap with Naruto as a cheap copout method to somehow allow such naivety to be indulged and allow such a fairy tale ending while not having to explain how/why it actually happens...because you can't without it looking completely fake.

This is why, while not right, it's understandable why Nagato and Madara took the paths they did for "peace" as they were extreme realists.

Nagato himself was an unfortunate victim of war, by a mistake no less (the Konoha shinobi mistaking his attacking parents for enemy shinobi while his parents thought the Konoha shinobi were people there to kill them) who believed the only way to bring about "peace" was to make everyone fear war/their own destruction with the Gedo statue and Biju chakra to use as a WMD to wipe out entire villages instantly, thus people would be too afraid to do anything "bad" or risk being annihilated, thus no more war. A totalitarian method, "When there's no one left to challenge me/us, then there's no more war", essentially.

Madara's method was to use the Infinite Tsukuyomi to take away humanity's free will because, as we know, as long as humanity has free will and individuality, there will always be differences, which can lead to disagreements, which can lead to conflict, which can lead to war. Take away everyone's free will and individuality and make them all believe the exact same thing while being the one to control their minds' and nobody will ever disagree on anything, nobody will ever fight over anything, thus no more war.

Not to mention that you never know what the future may entail. Today's allies could be tomorrow's enemies and vice versa. I mean, for example, would anyone back in the 30s-40s ever believe that Germany and Japan would become a couple of the US' strongest allies? Or before then, believe that Italy and Japan, who were allies during WWI, would end up becoming enemies for WWII? And so on? Sure, there may be "peace" now, but Naruto and Sasuke, nor this generation who "won the peace" are not immortal and so will not be around forever to maintain the status quo, and as we saw with Shin (as pointless as he was), there are still people out there who can and will cause trouble and disrupt the peace, and who knows what sort of action taken by them may end up breaking apart the alliance somehow. After all, WWI began with the assassination of a single, albeit important person.

That is true I mean the one thing I can say is we can never blame the victims of War, since if we are the ones that caused that person to be the way they are Nagata was made thanks to Konoha and Danzo.

 

When you have something such a peace then you need to think of how it should be done now having a short time of peace after a long war that has been fought than that would be okay, but the way Kishi did it was an epic fail.

 

Not to mention you still have Orochimaru is still alive and now the Shinn clones I mean that is just stupid with Naruto to do I mean its like he hates the thought of killing, and I just wish that would come back to bite him. I mean I have said it before I would have Orochimaru cause Naruto trouble from a new bad guy, why since new evil is always coming and beating it shall not last, so I would have Naruto not doing the smart thing in killing Orochimaru like he should come back to bite him in the ass, while killing off all the Naruto cast and I mean almost all of them.

[Catra]

*looks at a clip of naruto talking with hagoromo* GAH i can't help but think hinata has something to do with all of this. why? because thats the ending. none of this matters! all that matters is hinata and how she and naruto had sex and Im scared to look at the comments

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

i have actually seen quite a few NH fans bash on the last pretty hard. Sure there are the fanatics that except any trash, but most shippers started first and foremost as fans of the actual manga and not any one pairing. Regardless of what you ship, the ending and everything after it has been horrible from a story perspective, Many people from all ships understand this and are disappointed. 

Yeah, there are logical NH/SS fans that I've talked to before, believe it or not, who also hate the way the ending was because they themselves feel that it was completely forced and not truly earned in a way that garners their support. The problem is that they are very outnumbered and yelled over by the self-insert otakus who call themselves "'Naruto' fans", thinking just because they like ONE small part of it, then that's all that counts.
 

 

creepy

.................Naruto looking evilly happy at Boruto's suffering, looking like he's preparing him to feast on his body and soul after it's filled with misery, sadness, anger, etc.. Fitting.

 

Yeah I mean Kishi just does not see that its something he can't think of I mean we as humans are evil we kill and we destory for either money or power or god knows what else that is why Kishi is a bad writer. I mean a writer needs to know what is going on look at Star Trek that show still had wars in it.

 

That is true I mean the one thing I can say is we can never blame the victims of War, since if we are the ones that caused that person to be the way they are Nagata was made thanks to Konoha and Danzo.

 

When you have something such a peace then you need to think of how it should be done now having a short time of peace after a long war that has been fought than that would be okay, but the way Kishi did it was an epic fail.

 

Not to mention you still have Orochimaru is still alive and now the Shinn clones I mean that is just stupid with Naruto to do I mean its like he hates the thought of killing, and I just wish that would come back to bite him. I mean I have said it before I would have Orochimaru cause Naruto trouble from a new bad guy, why since new evil is always coming and beating it shall not last, so I would have Naruto not doing the smart thing in killing Orochimaru like he should come back to bite him in the ass, while killing off all the Naruto cast and I mean almost all of them.

Yeah, that was another one of the big problems throughout the manga - the lack of consequences. Such things only seemed to happen if it was meant to force the story forward somehow. Otherwise, leaving a villain alive and whatnot never comes back to bite them. I mean, I may not know much about Bleach at all, but from what little I saw on the wiki and such, it would be like if Ichigo had left Aizen alive after giving him a TnJ and nothing coming from it, or even Aizen coming back magically reformed and remorseful for his actions. No. If such a thing happened in Bleach, Aizen would gladly take advantage of Ichigo's mercy and come up with an even worse way to screw him and everyone else over, perhaps even play at being "reformed" and "remorseful" to lower their guard before striking and hurting/killing who knows how many people (close to Ichigo), all because of that one idiotic mistake.

Heck, Naruto even emphasized this in part one with Hiruzen and Jiraiya being unable to kill Orochimaru because of their own former bonds, and then paying for it with Orochimaru using Suna and attacking Konoha during the Chunin Exams, performing all his inhuman experiments, and so on, resolving them to the fact that Orochimaru can't, and didn't want to be saved, and was too dangerous to be left alive and that they must kill him if they ever get the chance, but also knowing that it won't make up for their failure to do so before.

[Nostradamus]

Yeah, there are logical NH/SS fans that I've talked to before, believe it or not, who also hate the way the ending was because they themselves feel that it was completely forced and not truly earned in a way that garners their support. The problem is that they are very outnumbered and yelled over by the self-insert otakus who call themselves "'Naruto' fans", thinking just because they like ONE small part of it, then that's all that counts.
 

Yeah they do exist but like you said they are few and far between. Most of them are fanatics.

[hinataiscreepy]

I have watched Linsanity the documentary of an underdog proving his worth in the Nba when the odds were totally against him and was an outcast due to his race.

 

It was so beautiful it reminded me of what Naruto had to go through in his childhood and finally proving his worth against Neji. I hope Jeremy Lin never gives up whatever happens until the end. 

[TheFirstEvil100]

Yeah, there are logical NH/SS fans that I've talked to before, believe it or not, who also hate the way the ending was because they themselves feel that it was completely forced and not truly earned in a way that garners their support. The problem is that they are very outnumbered and yelled over by the self-insert otakus who call themselves "'Naruto' fans", thinking just because they like ONE small part of it, then that's all that counts.
 

 

.................Naruto looking evilly happy at Boruto's suffering, looking like he's preparing him to feast on his body and soul after it's filled with misery, sadness, anger, etc.. Fitting.

 

Yeah, that was another one of the big problems throughout the manga - the lack of consequences. Such things only seemed to happen if it was meant to force the story forward somehow. Otherwise, leaving a villain alive and whatnot never comes back to bite them. I mean, I may not know much about Bleach at all, but from what little I saw on the wiki and such, it would be like if Ichigo had left Aizen alive after giving him a TnJ and nothing coming from it, or even Aizen coming back magically reformed and remorseful for his actions. No. If such a thing happened in Bleach, Aizen would gladly take advantage of Ichigo's mercy and come up with an even worse way to screw him and everyone else over, perhaps even play at being "reformed" and "remorseful" to lower their guard before striking and hurting/killing who knows how many people (close to Ichigo), all because of that one idiotic mistake.

Heck, Naruto even emphasized this in part one with Hiruzen and Jiraiya being unable to kill Orochimaru because of their own former bonds, and then paying for it with Orochimaru using Suna and attacking Konoha during the Chunin Exams, performing all his inhuman experiments, and so on, resolving them to the fact that Orochimaru can't, and didn't want to be saved, and was too dangerous to be left alive and that they must kill him if they ever get the chance, but also knowing that it won't make up for their failure to do so before.

That is very true I still wouldn't use Orochimaru, as his time has come and gone and no use beating a dead horse as I say, I mean I want to show consequence of Naruto not killing Orochimaru like he should have.

 

After all Orochimaru still needs bodies after all to take over and so by Naruto being the now scumbag that he is and almost all of the old Konoha kids we used to love being just as bad as him I mean I would need to kill a lot of them of with maybe just only four not dying. So the way I would do it and this is me I would have a 7 group or members show up and I would make them very highly skilled.

 

Now Kiba would be the first to die, being who Kiba is now he would think that he can beat this group, but I will say this he would be wrong so he would be killed or close to dying to tell Narudo that a new enermy is coming. After that I would kill everyone off one by one, and yes even Naruto why I would want him and people who still like Naruto know that Naruto and the others are losers and destroy Kishi work as well.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

That is very true I still wouldn't use Orochimaru, as his time has come and gone and no use beating a dead horse as I say, I mean I want to show consequence of Naruto not killing Orochimaru like he should have.

 

After all Orochimaru still needs bodies after all to take over and so by Naruto being the now scumbag that he is and almost all of the old Konoha kids we used to love being just as bad as him I mean I would need to kill a lot of them of with maybe just only four not dying. So the way I would do it and this is me I would have a 7 group or members show up and I would make them very highly skilled.

 

Now Kiba would be the first to die, being who Kiba is now he would think that he can beat this group, but I will say this he would be wrong so he would be killed or close to dying to tell Narudo that a new enermy is coming. After that I would kill everyone off one by one, and yes even Naruto why I would want him and people who still like Naruto know that Naruto and the others are losers and destroy Kishi work as well.

And we also can't forget, one of the very first things Orochimaru says after Sasuke revives him is that he still wanted Sasuke's body.

[TheFirstEvil100]

And we also can't forget, one of the very first things Orochimaru says after Sasuke revives him is that he still wanted Sasuke's body.

Yep its why this manga now sucks to me I mean come on Kishi must really be a dumb ass.

[Nar123]

And we also can't forget, one of the very first things Orochimaru says after Sasuke revives him is that he still wanted Sasuke's body.

 

Seems Orochimaru settled for the body of a random woman so he could produce Toneri jr 

Edited by Nar123, 14 September 2015 - 07:50 PM.

[Namikaze Clan]

Seems Orochimaru settled for the body of a random woman so he could produce Toneri jr

Thanks to no one killing or imprisoning Orochimaru, a poor innocent woman got her body stolen. Thanks Kishi

[RedFaction]

Not only that, but how cruel is it that Naruto has Yamato, an Orochimaru experiment, be the guy who watches over him? The funny thing is that Orochimaru is still able to perform his experiments regardless of Yamato being there or not.

 

Orochimaru should be locked up in prison for the rest of his life and Kabuto too, but Naruto is too busy drinking away his misery in the office to even notice the problems around him. #WorstHokageEver

[Nar123]

Not only that, but how cruel is it that Naruto has Yamato, an Orochimaru experiment, be the guy who watches over him? The funny thing is that Orochimaru is still able to perform his experiments regardless of Yamato being there or not.

 

Orochimaru should be locked up in prison for the rest of his life and Kabuto too, but Naruto is too busy drinking away his misery in the office to even notice the problems around him. #WorstHokageEver

 

 In the gaiden It's said in Naruto's face that Orochimaru continues his freaky experiments yet Naruto does nothing about it except remarking that "he shouldn't do this anymore", pathetic

 

#WorstHokageEver indeed

Edited by Nar123, 14 September 2015 - 09:26 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Thanks to no one killing or imprisoning Orochimaru, a poor innocent woman got her body stolen. Thanks Kishi

Odly man that is how I came up with a story which the woman body belongs to the new bad guy and the woman was his younger sister and he went, no begged Naruto who was Hokage to help save, but since we know what Naruto is like well he says no, he goes to save her knowing he will die but is sadly too late Orochimaru took her body, and also unlike Hinata this person cares for his family. As I would want to show that Family is an inportant thing.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And we also can't forget, one of the very first things Orochimaru says after Sasuke revives him is that he still wanted Sasuke's body.

 

Yeah, and Sasuke should have known he couldn't trust Orochimaru after bringing him back...