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[Frankie]

How can anyone like the Last? It makes every character into aholes.

Except my boy Rock Lee! Made it through the way he always was! Only salvageable character from this mess! #TeamRockLee

[Shadow1275]

architect's nightmare

It's perfect. It completely explains the entire problem with the series from the beginning, The Corporate skyscrapers are placed above the Stone Heads of the Kages. Profit margin over actual emotion. We now know for sure who was truly in charge of the series. Yahagi: Gone, Narusaku: Brushed aside, Sakura's Character Development: Erased, Sasuke's logic: Caput, and Naruto's Promise: DEAD.

 

 

The Coup De Tat is complete

 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I wonder how long they're going to continue padding things out. The manga has been finished for almost an entire year now. Does anyone at this point have any genuine investment in the anime? I stopped caring about it years before the downward spiral even began, partly because of the halfhearted effort on Pierrot's side to draw and animate the series while instead dedicating more resources for their precious oppai caricature. 

I stopped watching after Jiraiya vs, Pein (when fillers actually became pointless and little to do with the overall story or lessons, unlike the first few fillers), and came back to see Naruto vs. Pein...and regretted it immensely.
 

 

Off topic news bUT they're gonna make a new Godzilla vs. King Kong movie.

I saw that myself too.

I just don't see how, today anyway, they could ever make a decent movie of the match-up without making it completely ridiculous, either by extremely and unbelievably buffing King Kong or extremely and unbelievably nerfing Godzilla (which would really piss off today's much, much, much larger fan base). It was a little more understandable back in 1962 as it was only Godzilla's third film and King Kong was, by comparison, still more well-known and popular. Not to mention, it was a Toho original King Kong (dubbed "Kaiju Kong") that was supersized and superpowered compared to the original - around 20 feet tall to 145 feet tall and the whole "gains strength from electricity" stuff, while also, somehow, not being badly wounded by Godzilla's atomic breath - but even then, it required Godzilla to be nerfed by being made to "shy away" from electricity when he never did that in the first movie, and has never done so afterwards (in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla / Godzilla vs. Cosmic Monster, he himself even gained magnetic powers by being struck by lightning).

When you look at how much Godzilla has been developed since then whereas Kong hasn't had a single (brand new) movie since King Kong Escapes (only having two remakes), then the only way I could see this working would be if it were its own standalone movie with completely original creatures for it. Otherwise, with the original King Kong at only around 20 feet tall, and even Toho's Kaiju Kong at only 145 feet tall, they would both easily get trashed by the current Legendary Godzilla's 355 foot height (and the Toho 2016 reboot is supposed to be even taller) or blasted away by the atomic breath while King Kong would have nothing effective against him considering the Legendary Godzilla could even survive nukes with no problem. Godzilla has also long since been shown to not be any dummy, including 2014, so while Kong may be shown to be smarter, being an ape and all, it would hardly be like how the (US version) first match-up showed them.

[Namikaze Clan]

Wait, Talk shows now exist in Naruto. Does that count as a jump the shark moment?

[Shadow1275]

Wait, Talk shows now exist in Naruto. Does that count as a jump the shark moment?

For me it was the new technique introduced in the Last: Selfie No Jutsu

 

At that point I stopped trying to understand how anyone could like that movie because any work that claims to be about ninjas and includes ninjas taking Selfies has moved into shoujo territory and has no idea where it's going.

 

[TheFirstEvil100]

Sadly that's the thing Kishi keeps changing everything I mean he can't ever stick to something now can he?

 

I mean remember Kishi saying Naruto cane bring peace to the Ninja world which even back then I found well stupid really I mean that can never happen since the world is a large place after all I mean to quote Vulcan Raven in his dying moments.

 

"The path you walk on has no end, no matter how many bodies you crule over the killing will never end, its a future without hope."

 

And he is right killing shall always happen as will War this was something Kojima knew better than Kishi heck other writer understand this as well. And that is what make me more angry at Kishi and the NH fans thinking that its a work of art as we all know its not.

Edited by TheFirstEvil100, 11 September 2015 - 11:04 PM.

[rocci]

Kishi peace is too big.
He should just make it for just ninja.

[Frankie]

Sadly that's the thing Kishi keeps changing everything I mean he can't ever stick to something now can he?
 
I mean remember Kishi saying Naruto cane bring peace to the Ninja world which even back then I found well stupid really I mean that can never happen since the world is a large place after all I mean to quote Vulcan Raven in his dying moments.
 
"The path you walk on has no end, no matter how many bodies you crule over the killing will never end, its a future without hope."
 
And he is right killing shall always happen as will War this was something Kojima knew better than Kishi heck other writer understand this as well. And that is what make me more angry at Kishi and the NH fans thinking that its a work of art as we all know its not.

The peace concept itself is really stupid. There is no way to instill everlasting peace unless the entire human race is wiped out since we as a race pride on violence and greed, two main contributing factors to war and other conflicts. With a series like Naruto, where they're ninja, the peace goal was doomed from the start.

Unless your story is about showing how peace is impossible, it can't be done. If I'm wrong and there is a story out there that does peace correctly in a believable way, please point it out to me.

[Nostradamus]

The peace concept itself is really stupid. There is no way to instill everlasting peace unless the entire human race is wiped out since we as a race pride on violence and greed, two main contributing factors to war and other conflicts. With a series like Naruto, where they're ninja, the peace goal was doomed from the start.

Unless your story is about showing how peace is impossible, it can't be done. If I'm wrong and there is a story out there that does peace correctly in a believable way, please point it out to me.

Actually I will go even further than that. There will never be true peace in the world as long as there's life in it. Since life is conflict.

[rocci]

Actually I will go even further than that. There will never be true peace in the world as long as there's life in it. Since life is conflict.

Yup.

we can maintain order though.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Sadly that's the thing Kishi keeps changing everything I mean he can't ever stick to something now can he?

 

I mean remember Kishi saying Naruto cane bring peace to the Ninja world which even back then I found well stupid really I mean that can never happen since the world is a large place after all I mean to quote Vulcan Raven in his dying moments.

 

"The path you walk on has no end, no matter how many bodies you crule over the killing will never end, its a future without hope."

 

And he is right killing shall always happen as will War this was something Kojima knew better than Kishi heck other writer understand this as well. And that is what make me more angry at Kishi and the NH fans thinking that its a work of art as we all know its not.

 

 

The peace concept itself is really stupid. There is no way to instill everlasting peace unless the entire human race is wiped out since we as a race pride on violence and greed, two main contributing factors to war and other conflicts. With a series like Naruto, where they're ninja, the peace goal was doomed from the start.

Unless your story is about showing how peace is impossible, it can't be done. If I'm wrong and there is a story out there that does peace correctly in a believable way, please point it out to me.

And this is why I keep saying that Naruto was/still is being completely naive, thus far from ready from being Hokage.

Jiraiya may have wished for "true peace", but even he could separate the reality of the world from his own fantasies, hence why he immediately tried to talk Naruto out of chasing down Sasuke when he awoke in the hospital, because he himself already knew what doing so entailed by his own attempt with Orochimaru, and with the way Sasuke was going, he would end up worse than Orochimaru or even Madara (even Kurama commented during the reunion on how Sasuke's chakra is "more sinister than" Madara's). It only got worse when you have, aside from the lesson of "you create your own destiny" being tossed aside, the whole stupid "Child of Prophecy" crap with Naruto as a cheap copout method to somehow allow such naivety to be indulged and allow such a fairy tale ending while not having to explain how/why it actually happens...because you can't without it looking completely fake.

This is why, while not right, it's understandable why Nagato and Madara took the paths they did for "peace" as they were extreme realists.

Nagato himself was an unfortunate victim of war, by a mistake no less (the Konoha shinobi mistaking his attacking parents for enemy shinobi while his parents thought the Konoha shinobi were people there to kill them) who believed the only way to bring about "peace" was to make everyone fear war/their own destruction with the Gedo statue and Biju chakra to use as a WMD to wipe out entire villages instantly, thus people would be too afraid to do anything "bad" or risk being annihilated, thus no more war. A totalitarian method, "When there's no one left to challenge me/us, then there's no more war", essentially.

Madara's method was to use the Infinite Tsukuyomi to take away humanity's free will because, as we know, as long as humanity has free will and individuality, there will always be differences, which can lead to disagreements, which can lead to conflict, which can lead to war. Take away everyone's free will and individuality and make them all believe the exact same thing while being the one to control their minds' and nobody will ever disagree on anything, nobody will ever fight over anything, thus no more war.

Not to mention that you never know what the future may entail. Today's allies could be tomorrow's enemies and vice versa. I mean, for example, would anyone back in the 30s-40s ever believe that Germany and Japan would become a couple of the US' strongest allies? Or before then, believe that Italy and Japan, who were allies during WWI, would end up becoming enemies for WWII? And so on? Sure, there may be "peace" now, but Naruto and Sasuke, nor this generation who "won the peace" are not immortal and so will not be around forever to maintain the status quo, and as we saw with Shin (as pointless as he was), there are still people out there who can and will cause trouble and disrupt the peace, and who knows what sort of action taken by them may end up breaking apart the alliance somehow. After all, WWI began with the assassination of a single, albeit important person.

[Nostradamus]

A bit off-topic well sort of. But how many copies did Gaiden sell so far?

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I saw that myself too.

I just don't see how, today anyway, they could ever make a decent movie of the match-up without making it completely ridiculous, either by extremely and unbelievably buffing King Kong or extremely and unbelievably nerfing Godzilla (which would really piss off today's much, much, much larger fan base). It was a little more understandable back in 1962 as it was only Godzilla's third film and King Kong was, by comparison, still more well-known and popular. Not to mention, it was a Toho original King Kong (dubbed "Kaiju Kong") that was supersized and superpowered compared to the original - around 20 feet tall to 145 feet tall and the whole "gains strength from electricity" stuff, while also, somehow, not being badly wounded by Godzilla's atomic breath - but even then, it required Godzilla to be nerfed by being made to "shy away" from electricity when he never did that in the first movie, and has never done so afterwards (in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla / Godzilla vs. Cosmic Monster, he himself even gained magnetic powers by being struck by lightning).

When you look at how much Godzilla has been developed since then whereas Kong hasn't had a single (brand new) movie since King Kong Escapes (only having two remakes), then the only way I could see this working would be if it were its own standalone movie with completely original creatures for it. Otherwise, with the original King Kong at only around 20 feet tall, and even Toho's Kaiju Kong at only 145 feet tall, they would both easily get trashed by the current Legendary Godzilla's 355 foot height (and the Toho 2016 reboot is supposed to be even taller) or blasted away by the atomic breath while King Kong would have nothing effective against him considering the Legendary Godzilla could even survive nukes with no problem. Godzilla has also long since been shown to not be any dummy, including 2014, so while Kong may be shown to be smarter, being an ape and all, it would hardly be like how the (US version) first match-up showed them.

I can see what you mean but I wanna see it. 

[rocci]

A bit off-topic well sort of. But how many copies did Gaiden sell so far?

More than 800 thousand for sure

[RedFaction]

More than 800 thousand for sure

Almost a million actually, but whatever it's off the list now and is going into the garbage where it belongs.

[dragonflyx11]

why do you think Pokemon has been doing better, lol that is just funny, that pokemon is beating Naruto.

 

Yep but NH fans don't care for a good story they never have all they care about is Hinata getting what she wants.

 

Yeah and its shall be all about Hinata and making Sakura look bad I bet you that is what they will do

 

well every NH fans since its got the one they all bend over for.

i have actually seen quite a few NH fans bash on the last pretty hard. Sure there are the fanatics that except any trash, but most shippers started first and foremost as fans of the actual manga and not any one pairing. Regardless of what you ship, the ending and everything after it has been horrible from a story perspective, Many people from all ships understand this and are disappointed. 

[Nostradamus]

More than 800 thousand for sure

So I'm right. Normally I like when I'm right but not today.

Thanks.

[Hanabi]

creepy

[TouKen4Life3g]

What on earth is that?

[rocci]

So I'm right. Normally I like when I'm right but not today.
Thanks.

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