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#4041 kirabook

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:51 PM

Yes, I understand that, not even all movies follow the diagram to a tee. But the general layout is the same. I believe that this entire fight is the climax and the falling action doesn't begin until it's over, which is better represented in this chart (the falling action being shorter)



Or this one with the climax being more than just a single point:




Main problem with these 2 are that the rising action is so smooth, and we know that in Naruto that is not the case. It's always been a rough uneven ride (Not in writing or anything just how events happened to go down)


It all depends really.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:55 PM

this graphic is wrong the arc had more than one climax, the action will slowly ending not just fall to 0 in one chapter.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:15 PM

She meant that the fight between Obito and Madara is the big climax and as THE climax and of course it's not going to fall to 0 in one chapter, it's the process of the manga in phases till the end, not scooting immediately the ending in one chapter.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 09:28 PM

The diagram isn't "Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3". :/

It's "Event 1 on this level, Event 2 on this level, Event 3 leads to the highest climax level, Event 4 goes down a level, Event 5 goes down a level, Event 6 leads to the end resolution" That's the best way I can explain it. Sure, there are many climaxes within Naruto and many other stories, but Kishi stated that this is THE climax. The 3rd diagram represents this idea the best. The falling action might have its own climaxes too, but they aren't meant to be at the level of climax as we are at right now.

The graph can't represent everything that happens within the manga *especially since I did not draw them*, they are overviews of how many plots are written.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:34 PM

QUOTE (Nostradamus @ Sep 9 2012, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's from episode 183.

Oh ok. Thank you. Anime studio: Always bringing NS for uncalled fans.

I don't know what to say on the chart, but carry on. The next chapter is around the corner. happy.gif

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:47 PM

/\ so true th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif wait isnt the next chapter in like 3 days how is it around the corner headscratch.gif

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Sep 9 2012, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
/\ so true th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif wait isnt the next chapter in like 3 days how is it around the corner headscratch.gif

Oh sorry. Around the corner does mean right about now. I mean, it's approaching. But hey, let's keep this rolling.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:26 AM

it's alright /\ happy.gif .Yeah hopefully will get some explanation to calm down the fanbase I mean seriously many people took it hard rolleyes.gif they keep insulting kishi and saying that they're gonna buy a ticket to japan and hit every editor and writer and animator and voice actor of naruto , I mean REALLY? 111189.gif i'm kind of surprised how one chapter could do all this mess,rin is getting alot of hate too hm.png poor rim sad.gif

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 12:50 AM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Sep 9 2012, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it's alright /\ happy.gif .Yeah hopefully will get some explanation to calm down the fanbase I mean seriously many people took it hard rolleyes.gif they keep insulting kishi and saying that they're gonna buy a ticket to japan and hit every editor and writer and animator and voice actor of naruto , I mean REALLY? 111189.gif i'm kind of surprised how one chapter could do all this mess,rin is getting alot of hate too hm.png poor rim sad.gif

You know, when we saw Kushina's flashback in anime, a lot of people were actually hating her. Why? Something tells me that it connects to NaruSaku/Sakura. I swear, that's how I see it. I remember it. Sure, there could be more reasons, but I do see this as one of them. You can search for that thread. It's ridiculous... dry.gif

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:05 AM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Sep 9 2012, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it's alright /\ happy.gif .Yeah hopefully will get some explanation to calm down the fanbase I mean seriously many people took it hard rolleyes.gif they keep insulting kishi and saying that they're gonna buy a ticket to japan and hit every editor and writer and animator and voice actor of naruto , I mean REALLY? 111189.gif i'm kind of surprised how one chapter could do all this mess,rin is getting alot of hate too hm.png poor rin sad.gif


Oh My God, Rin is Sakura's parallel. She is also hated by a large portion of Naruto fans for no reason.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:58 AM

The climax note is just the editor's comment and they are everytime wrong, so you shouldn't take it into account. As for wha I wish would happen I mostly want to see Naruto confesses once and for all, we had 3 confessions from the girls and they all ended up bad, it's only justice that the protagonist gets his chance too and finally act on his feelings;
Oh and aso I want a forehead kiss after what has happened between tsunade and dan 'm sure we will see one.

Edited by Weltall, 10 September 2012 - 02:04 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2012 - 03:41 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Sep 9 2012, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh My God, Rin is Sakura's parallel. She is also hated by a large portion of Naruto fans for no reason.

Welcome to the world of hate. I wish Naruto would break this kind of hate.

Anyway, yeah, that is the sad case. Remember how Kushina actually got bashed? I still do. I was upset. I based her character as her own self, not a carbon copy. She paralllel to Sakura in terms of certain events and her attitude in certain times, but not a copy. She is who she is. Why the hate? Because she's not shy? Because she has a temper to hit people? Lighten up...

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 9 2012, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to the world of hate. I wish Naruto would break this kind of hate.

Anyway, yeah, that is the sad case. Remember how Kushina actually got bashed? I still do. I was upset. I based her character as her own self, not a carbon copy. She paralllel to Sakura in terms of certain events and her attitude in certain times, but not a copy. She is who she is. Why the hate? Because she's not shy? Because she has a temper to hit people? Lighten up...


Wait, Kushina got bashed on. Everyone's favorite mother was bashed on when she was first introduce............huh.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE (Weltall @ Sep 9 2012, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The climax note is just the editor's comment and they are everytime wrong, so you shouldn't take it into account. As for wha I wish would happen I mostly want to see Naruto confesses once and for all, we had 3 confessions from the girls and they all ended up bad, it's only justice that the protagonist gets his chance too and finally act on his feelings;
Oh and aso I want a forehead kiss after what has happened between tsunade and dan 'm sure we will see one.



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Posted 10 September 2012 - 04:50 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Sep 10 2012, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait, Kushina got bashed on. Everyone's favorite mother was bashed on when she was first introduce............huh.

In the anime, yeah. I remember how many people in 2chan said that she reminded them as Sakura. So, in the discussion thread, people got upset and didn't like Kushina because of various reasons. I remember people trying to defend her and some were like "Seriously guys..." It was ridiculous. Trust me, someone in here was there to see it.

@redragon88: Oh man, I would LOVE to see that. That will seal the deal.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 05:14 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 9 2012, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In the anime, yeah. I remember how many people in 2chan said that she reminded them as Sakura. So, in the discussion thread, people got upset and didn't like Kushina because of various reasons. I remember people trying to defend her and some were like "Seriously guys..." It was ridiculous. Trust me, someone in here was there to see it.

@redragon88: Oh man, I would LOVE to see that. That will seal the deal.


So when she was first introduce people thought she was kind of like Sakura, so that's why they didn't like her. But when Kushina said to find a girl like her, than people started saying she was not like Sakura...............huh.

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 05:34 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Sep 10 2012, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So when she was first introduce people thought she was kind of like Sakura, so that's why they didn't like her. But when Kushina said to find a girl like her, than people started saying she was not like Sakura...............huh.

Double standards, my friend. Actually, it's more like what's happening now. You know, making Obito/Rin parallel to SasuSaku. It's a desperate attempt. For Kushina, it's more for NaruHina. But again, there is nothing like it at all. Sakura has more perks with Kushina than anyone else. Don't let that bother you anyway.

P.S. One of my old friend is now a NaruSaku believer. How awesome. biggrin.gif

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 06:30 AM

I hope naruto is not going to have a sad ending, like dying to save the world.

Do you think kishi could do smth. like this to naruto?

Hope not

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 06:38 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Sep 10 2012, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


This panel below will soon become canon, believe it!



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Perfect !
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 07:09 AM

i find that picture odd, there's no way Naruto could tower over her like that. he's only 5 centimeters taller then her according to the wiki also there's a lack of hair blowing in the wind LMFAO

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