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[The Tax-Man]

They say Sakura is still in love with Sasuke and is now sad with how he turned out That's not right is it?

No. The problem is that Sakura can't decide. We can certainly infer that Sakura is not proud of any feelings she ever had/has for him. What's more, she has shed her mantal image of him but still holds on to the vision, much like Naruto. There is absolutely no other reason she'd act like that. We might say, along with her, that she doesn't think that or hold on to that, but since she certainly doesn't love him(love isn't pointless), that's the only conclusion I can draw. Pretty much every member but Sasuke holds on to the image of the old Team 7. Even though that old image never existed. Somewhere, I believe Sasuke sees that too. Just a nagging problem. Remember his revisit to the Land of Waves?

@Fliss
That doesn't make sense. She can't love him while not loving him. What that is is a conflict of feelings or is the same thing I'm talking about. I hold no doubt that her rational side fully hates him. It's what I mentioned, I think, that always nags her. She is human, after all.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 14 June 2011 - 04:49 AM.

[Super Boom]

Yea I doubt it, they usually dont do stuff like that....also when sakura was trying to stop sasuke in part 1 I felt like they could have brought it up, but he didnt

Well, with the whole Kushina comparison, I'd be very surprised if they didn't bring that scene up again. Kushina fell in love with Minato because he complimented her forehead, and Kushina and Sakura's physical insecurities are one of the biggest links between the characters. Maybe the scene itself won't be mentioned, but I'm sure Naruto will make some comment about liking her forehead . And that scene was obviously where it all began.

I actually think that's very true. However, while she may not be 'in' love with Sasuke I think she does still love him. I DO think she is 'in' love with Naruto, though. I don't know how Kishi plans to resolve Sakura's feelings but I am nearly positive she will choose Naruto in the end.

I actually agree with this. I think she still loves Sasuke in some form, but she now realizes what he's become. It's a definite step forward for us in the long run, as I'm sure she'll realize who the 'great guy' really is.

[jmf]

She's sad at what he has become and maybe will start to question why she loves him

[The Tax-Man]

She's sad at what he has become and maybe will start to question why she loves him

She already has, fortunately.

Now, we seem to be treating 'love' as any feeling whatsoever at whatever point of our lives. I actually don't think she actually 'loves' him. I mean, why would she? You definitely cannot love someone for no reason. Can anyone explain where we get this from?

[bthug]

actually she did bring it up. she pointed to the bench and said this is where it all began for us.

I believe he will be bringing the bench scene back in some fashion but whether it will be Naruto to Sakura or Sakura to Sasuke, and or Naruto Im not certain yet.

Actually it was another scene that was brought up I believe, not sure, but anyway, I would love for that scene to be brought up, I just didnt think it was likely.

[Fliss]

@Fliss
That doesn't make sense. She can't love him while not loving him. What that is is a conflict of feelings or is the same thing I'm talking about. I hold no doubt that her rational side fully hates him. It's what I mentioned, I think, that always nags her. She is human, after all.

No you misunderstood me

I think she still loves Sasuke in some form, but she now realizes what he's become.

Boom...Winning explains it better than I do But that's what I meanttttt

I think her love for Sasuke as of now are the remains of what she felt for him before she came to her senses. She doesn't love him for who he is atm, but the illusion of who Sasuke appeared to be when they were young.

[Anguyen92]

The thing is in life, we can't dwell on the past forever. We can only look at the present and only the present to make the proper decisions for the future.

Let's look at the facts as it stands, at this point at best the narusaku relation is still the best friend, I'll do anything to help you out mode. The moment Sakura realize that Sasuke is never the person or will ever will be the person she sees that's when she knows that it was Naruto is that person she sees. But she going to have to do something big, to show Naruto that he's not the 2nd choice.

Edited by anguyen92, 14 June 2011 - 05:24 AM.

[Fliss]

The thing is in life, we can't dwell on the past forever. We can only look at the present and only the present to make the proper decisions for the future.

Let's look at the facts as it stands, at this point at best the narusaku relation is still the best friend, I'll do anything to help you out mode. The moment Sakura realize that Sasuke is never the person or will ever will be the person she sees that's when she knows that it was Naruto is that person she sees. But she going to have to do something big, to show Naruto that he's not the 2nd choice.

So true. I think Kishi has been putting emphasis on this lately, too. Like, for example, the recent infamous panel where Sakura is thinking of Sasuke. That is a point where Sakura is forced to except that Sasuke is most certainly NOT a great guy. I actually think this panel will end up helping NaruSaku.

[Phantom_999]

Well they said she is still IN LOVE with Sasuke which isn't true I'm sure she is in love with Naruto for certain its only she can't forget about Sasuke either because regardless of what he's become he is still her team mate and first crush others misinterpret this and it annoys me

[Jenskott]

Well, that scene can be interpreted how she thinking "yes, if I fall in love with someone, that person MUST be a great guy, must not he?" since she got saddened.

Anyway, my personal interpretation is she began falling in love with Naruto back in the beginning of the story, and now she is in love with Naruto and has already made her choice. She wants being with Naruto. However she still loves Sasuke in some ways (like friend, teammate, old crush... whatever) and she hasn't been capable to cut the remnants of her emotional bond off yet. And she will not be capable to cut it off till the end of the series.

[Darth Krypt]

Why is it so hard for her to forget Sasuke? People usually won't forget their first love or have difficulty letting go but this doesnt count as her first love isn't it. Its more like first crush. Memories of first loves are unforgettable because of the time spent together and also your first and new experience in your life. Sakura and Sasuke has absolutely not shared any kind of interactions of those forms. Sasuke didn't even return her feelings one bit and kept pushing her away. All we got was one "arigatou". We really shouldn't worry about Sasuke because I trust Kishi to have at least decent story telling skills.

If the bench scene was set up with NS in mind in order for it to be a point of reference for a NS ending then I say that is good story-telling. I wonder if some of the important plot points were made halfway through the story or everything has been written with a specific ending in mind.

[jasonemilio]

I think we can genuinely call NaruSaku cannon when they get a romantic scene together-implicit or otherwise-without a mention of Sasuke.

"The Hug" is probably the only time I can remember where it was genuinely not involving Sasuke at all in any fashion. And that's why I personally think Sakura already has legitimate feelings for Naruto and her confession was truthful-atleast the parts about her "love" for Naruto.

[rastaman]

Why is it so hard for her to forget Sasuke? People usually won't forget their first love or have difficulty letting go but this doesnt count as her first love isn't it. Its more like first crush. Memories of first loves are unforgettable because of the time spent together and also your first and new experience in your life. Sakura and Sasuke has absolutely not shared any kind of interactions of those forms. Sasuke didn't even return her feelings one bit and kept pushing her away. All we got was one "arigatou". We really shouldn't worry about Sasuke because I trust Kishi to have at least decent story telling skills.

If the bench scene was set up with NS in mind in order for it to be a point of reference for a NS ending then I say that is good story-telling. I wonder if some of the important plot points were made halfway through the story or everything has been written with a specific ending in mind.

Well, it IS the shinobi world after all. Comradeship is very important for Sakura. Even if Sakura is not in love with Sasuke she will still care for Sasuke and try everything to save him. Sakura also shares Naruto's beliefs by accepting even a traitor as a friend.

As for the planning of the plot, I'd say Kishi had already planned out the love triangle at the beginning. It's highly likely he adjusted quite a few scenes to fit in his original plans. Considering the amount of time needed for one page it seems plausible that everytime he draws a close up of one of the main characters he's already figured out coming plot twists, ironic scenes, allusions etc.

A love triangle isn't THAT complicated but gives ample scope to various interpretations and possible outcomes. There's bound to be people who feel annoyed in this kinda situation but it seems obvious to me that Sakura is kinda Kishi's favorite 'love' character since she has the most complicated chains of thought.

[ciardha]

Well, that scene can be interpreted how she thinking "yes, if I fall in love with someone, that person MUST be a great guy, must not he?" since she got saddened.

Anyway, my personal interpretation is she began falling in love with Naruto back in the beginning of the story, and now she is in love with Naruto and has already made her choice. She wants being with Naruto. However she still loves Sasuke in some ways (like friend, teammate, old crush... whatever) and she hasn't been capable to cut the remnants of her emotional bond off yet. And she will not be capable to cut it off till the end of the series.

Yeah, Kishimoto has emphasized all along the strength of emotional bonds, even Orochimaru still felt some toward Tsunade. Madara and Sasuke (and a few other of the Akatsuki are the only ones shown to have been able to readily cut emotional bonds, and even with Sasuke he's never been able to do with Itachi, he goes from love to hate to love with Itachi...

[bthug]

Why is it so hard for her to forget Sasuke? People usually won't forget their first love or have difficulty letting go but this doesnt count as her first love isn't it. Its more like first crush. Memories of first loves are unforgettable because of the time spent together and also your first and new experience in your life. Sakura and Sasuke has absolutely not shared any kind of interactions of those forms. Sasuke didn't even return her feelings one bit and kept pushing her away. All we got was one "arigatou". We really shouldn't worry about Sasuke because I trust Kishi to have at least decent story telling skills.

If the bench scene was set up with NS in mind in order for it to be a point of reference for a NS ending then I say that is good story-telling. I wonder if some of the important plot points were made halfway through the story or everything has been written with a specific ending in mind.

Simple, cause she's not real and Kishi won't let her move on, not yet at least.

Out of curiosity new chapters have been coming out every Thursday right? What is latest chapter that was out?

[Anguyen92]

542, I think. And back to the point, the character development of Sakura will be complete, the moment she would stop looking at Sasuke for anything other than he's evil, either a. we kill him, or b. we can save him from himself.

Edited by anguyen92, 14 June 2011 - 04:16 PM.

[hothead]

Now, we seem to be treating 'love' as any feeling whatsoever at whatever point of our lives. I actually don't think she actually 'loves' him. I mean, why would she? You definitely cannot love someone for no reason. Can anyone explain where we get this from?

You can blame my generation, and the ones after it for that... They say the word 'love' so freely without even knowing what the word implies, they believe that love is just finding a beautiful woman or guy and feeling butterflies in your stomach every time you're near him/her. I know I'm still a kid but I've always thought that I've had a deeper view on life than most people my age, so I really don't think that way, or not anymore at least....

[Phantom_999]

yeah they probably think love just means romantic feelings

[bthug]

Just out of curiosity how do u guys feel about this line:

I hate people who lie to themselves!

[catsi563]

That Line to me is one line that really causes me to rip NaruHina and SasuSaku fans a new one. They have used that line to crow victory almost as much as they used the infamous "I like people like you" line.

both lines are similar in context though different in feeling.

I hate people who lie to themselves is not intended to say that he hates Sakura ((as has been ridiculously claimed by others)) but to tell her quite frankly that he does not like dishonesty especially when that dishonesty comes from someone close to him.

Further it also is part of his confusion at Sakuras (( to him seemingly)) sudden turn around. It speaks to what he feels is something wrong in his world view.

To his way of thinking Sakura is not acting like ((what he views as)) herself. and this provokes this outburst from him, this warning that he doesnt like what he views as a self dishonesty.

to him this is wrong and Sakura very quickly sets him straight on the matter.