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#4001 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:31 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 8 2012, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah true im new, joined 2 weeks ago ^^ because readig the comments on other pages from guys who have no idea of naruto (some of them even think hinata died during pain arc XDDDD) so this forum looked better then the others biggrin.gif

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I hope you have a good time. I hope you're feeling good as a NS fan.

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so you're new, hope you're enjoying it here happy.gif i'm happy that most of you are following my dancing advice laugh.gif and remember dancing doesnt just release you from stress but it helps you burn calories ...so it's kind of an exercise . now @NaruSaku4life3g: i still remember every fanbase's reaction upon hearing about the NS fanservice laugh.gif and speaking of fall when do you think they'll change the ending no that i'm not enjoying a blushing sakura reaching for naruto rolleyes.gif

Yeah, that was a darkest day for opposing NS fans. I got to admit, people in here were in panic attack when Kishi really looks like he was supporting SS as a true love, not to mention making NH plausible. After the movie released, boy, we were happily wrong. It was like a early Christmas. It was wonderful. Funny, if you remember my old post, it's the same thing. NH/SS gets a neutral/bad treatment while NS ends with a huge bang. The movie is no exception. Don't get me start it again. The movie did nothing but great in many ways, and not just NS moments.

As for the new ending, well if anything, judging what's to be covered next, the next ending most likely involve with Naruto/Sasuke. That's it. I will give it the next next ending for more NS fanservice, if there's no fillers that is. I do wish they would make an ending that I suggested it in the episode thread. Check it if you didn't. Yes, I do love latest fanservice. Way to make it so obvious, anime.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 03:52 AM

The movie definitely helped the likelihood of NaruSaku by a mile. I'm still surprised by how much Kishi mislead all of us with the promos. I never truly had a complete panic attack but I thought the SS romance would be seen a lot more than it actually was. In reality, it just was a balcony scene pretty much that got trolled right after. NaruHina was never a cause for concern at all. SasuSaku seemed like a bigger threat in the movie(in general actually laugh.gif , be it manga, anime, or movies tongue.gif)


The MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel I have to admit is probably my most favorite NS support in that movie, simply because Kishi was so incredibly blatant with NaruSaku being the next generation MinaKushi. It like almost completely sealed NaruSaku for me. I remember telling a SasuSaku fan about all the parallels in the 6th movie and her exact reply was:" As for the movie, don't come to me with this story."

So it's a story, huh fu.png ? Whatever helps her sleep at night. happy.gif She's just going to be horribly pissed off and disappointed when she realizes I was telling the truth biggrin.gif.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:00 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Sep 8 2012, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The movie definitely helped the likelihood of NaruSaku by a mile. I'm still surprised by how much Kishi mislead all of us with the promos. I never truly had a complete panic attack but I thought the SS romance would be seen a lot more than it actually was. In reality, it just was a balcony scene pretty much that got trolled right after. NaruHina was never a cause for concern at all. SasuSaku seemed like a bigger threat in the movie(in general actually laugh.gif , be it manga, anime, or movies tongue.gif)


The MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel I have to admit is probably my most favorite NS support in that movie, simply because Kishi was so incredibly blatant with NaruSaku being the next generation MinaKushi. It like almost completely sealed NaruSaku for me. I remember telling a SasuSaku fan about all the parallels in the 6th movie and her exact reply was:" As for the movie, don't come to me with this story."

So it's a story, huh fu.png ? Whatever helps her sleep at night. happy.gif She's just going to be horribly pissed off and disappointed when she realizes I was telling the truth biggrin.gif.

It seems SasuSaku is the only threat to NaruSaku. Funny, because Kishi once again trolled SasuSaku in a movie. I feel like NaruHina could be exaggerated by its fans and us, but who knows. Still keep your eyes on them. Anyway, Yes, the movie was so helpful to us. I was about to have second thought on Kishi's motive on the whole pairing situation. But after the movie released, now I feel so good to be a fan. Again, it came out stronger than any pairings. I mean Kishi even wrote Sakura saying that they had the longest date ever. That tells me that he knows what pairing he really putting the most focus. That's a great news. Almost feels like we can say it's going to be canon. Otherwise, this movie will be extremely awkward to watch when other pairing happens, right? tongue.gif

I agree heavily on the parallel part. We got so many fanarts from different audience and all of them said it's a new generation of MinaKushi and always highlight the rescue part. I love how they helped each other to take down Menma/Tobi, as well as protecting each other. Even Itachi's charm couldn't take Sakura's eyes off of Naruto. Kishi knows his characters the most, so this movie clearly shows us his intention. Oh yeah, Naruto still loves Sakura for those who doubt his feelings is the same. There are like 2-3 indicating his love for Sakura, not to mention that there are some people that thought they were dating. If only the movie was out in here, we would have something to talk about or use them for AMVs or use them gifs, sigs, avatars, etc.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:26 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 8 2012, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It seems SasuSaku is the only threat to NaruSaku. Funny, because Kishi once again trolled SasuSaku in a movie. I feel like NaruHina could be exaggerated by its fans and us, but who knows. Still keep your eyes on them. Anyway, Yes, the movie was so helpful to us. I was about to have second thought on Kishi's motive on the whole pairing situation. But after the movie released, now I feel so good to be a fan. Again, it came out stronger than any pairings. I mean Kishi even wrote Sakura saying that they had the longest date ever. That tells me that he knows what pairing he really putting the most focus. That's a great news. Almost feels like we can say it's going to be canon. Otherwise, this movie will be extremely awkward to watch when other pairing happens, right? tongue.gif

I agree heavily on the parallel part. We got so many fanarts from different audience and all of them said it's a new generation of MinaKushi and always highlight the rescue part. I love how they helped each other to take down Menma/Tobi, as well as protecting each other. Even Itachi's charm couldn't take Sakura's eyes off of Naruto. Kishi knows his characters the most, so this movie clearly shows us his intention. Oh yeah, Naruto still loves Sakura for those who doubt his feelings is the same. There are like 2-3 indicating his love for Sakura, not to mention that there are some people that thought they were dating. If only the movie was out in here, we would have something to talk about or use them for AMVs or use them gifs, sigs, avatars, etc.


Before the movie came out, I was only about 99% sure that Narusake will happen. The other 1% was giving the other pairings the benefit of the doubt, and because we haven't gotten any reconfirmation of Naruto's crush on Sakura for a LONG time. Besides, Kishi could still go a different route, like he could still make Naruto fall for Hinata by simply having him think of her romantically, the same for Sasusaku.

When spoilers for the movie came out, my doubts went away. Not only did the movie still shows Naruto having a crush on Sakura (evident of him asking Sakura on a date at the end of the movie), but gave off similar implications that Sakura may have feelings for him beyond simple friendship. She was the one that dragged Naruto to the swings, she was the one that blushed when Naruto save her from Menme(?) (she only blushed briefly, but has Naruto ever blushed at Hinata in the series, let alone the movie), and she was even the one that teased him at the end that they just got back from the longest date ever. This film showed me that everything is the same between Naruto and Sakura: Naruto still has a crush on Sakura and still ask her on dates*, with some implications that Sakura maybe able to returns those feelings to him. That alone still makes this pairing in a MUCH better position than the other pairings, in fact the other pairings don't have that.

While it's not canon, most of it, if not probably all of it came from Kishi. I'm sure the studio had some input in the story, but I doubt it wasn't anything he wouldn't really want in the film in the first place. Besides, if he was bitter about the movie, why would he often go on interviews encouraging fans to watch it, and him saying he has put in a lot of effort into this movie. He even drew a picture of Naruto and Menme(?) thanking his fans for supporting the film. So yeah, what was in this film can still count as he intent. If he still shows Naruto and Sakura's relationship as a close bond with some hints of romance between the two, and still show Naruto's crush, then most likely that's probably how he still see their relationship, or that is how he wants AUDIENCES to see their relationship. Either way he wouldn't just do that just cause.

*While Naruto has asked Sakura on dates in the manga before, I still find it funny that it is mostly in the anime that they like to push Naruto asking Sakura onto dates, and that Kishi decide to incorporate that in his film.

Edited by Transformers03, 09 September 2012 - 05:52 AM.


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:54 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Sep 9 2012, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I brought this up a long time ago, but it never left my mind. I remember I read a comment saying that Narusaku will not happen because Kishi said once that he doesn't want the main boy to get with the main girl. I remember the person who commented on that was neutral pairing fan, but he never put up link. I couldn't find any interview with him saying anything like that, and, when I asked on this site, people just commented that he never did say that and wouldn't say that because it will ruin the love subplot.

I don't believe Kishi ever said that, but the thought of him possibly going against the norm, like not having the main guy get with the main girl, often makes me worry. What if Kishi wants to do something different, maybe he doesn't want to go to the predictable/common route?
But then again, why give so much development/parallels for a pairing he doesn't plan to happen? Unless, of course, he's just screwing with us, but then that will have been a very elaborate red herring. I don't know, the thought he could still do a complete 180 on everything, just so he wouldn't go the stereotypical route, still makes me worry.......

I don't know, how do you guys feel about that?


Said interview doesn't exist. Kishimoto has always been extremely clever to dodge any potential pairing questions. When asked who was his favourite female character, he said Tenten once, and then Anko in another occasion. When asked who he would have a crush on, he said they were all his characters and it would be weird. Yet, when he was asked who he would have a crush on if he were a girl, he said Shikamaru. In the same interview, WSJ said they wished Hinata would get a chance, and he agreed, although that may have been in reference to her chance at a confession.


If you're concerned about originality, wouldn't it make more sense to judge them based on the overall story premise rather than just their roles (both being protagonists). Hardly any manga feature the main character's female love interest in love with someone else. Furthermore, the protagonist/ side character argument can be applied to any side character.

Edited by Nefertieh, 09 September 2012 - 06:00 AM.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:14 AM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ Sep 8 2012, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Said interview doesn't exist. Kishimoto has always been extremely clever to dodge any potential pairing questions. When asked who was his favourite female character, he said Tenten once, and then Anko in another occasion. When asked who he would have a crush on, he said they were all his characters and it would be weird. Yet, when he was asked who he would have a crush on if he were a girl, he said Shikamaru. In the same interview, WSJ said they wished Hinata would get a chance, and he agreed, although that may have been in reference to her chance at a confession.


If you're concerned about originality, wouldn't it make more sense to judge them based on the overall story premise rather than just their roles (both being protagonists). Hardly any manga feature the main character's female love interest in love with someone else. Furthermore, the protagonist/ side character argument can be applied to any side character.


Hmmmmm.......good point.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 9 2012, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to the forum!

I hope you have a good time. I hope you're feeling good as a NS fan.


Yeah, that was a darkest day for opposing NS fans. I got to admit, people in here were in panic attack when Kishi really looks like he was supporting SS as a true love, not to mention making NH plausible. After the movie released, boy, we were happily wrong. It was like a early Christmas. It was wonderful. Funny, if you remember my old post, it's the same thing. NH/SS gets a neutral/bad treatment while NS ends with a huge bang. The movie is no exception. Don't get me start it again. The movie did nothing but great in many ways, and not just NS moments.

As for the new ending, well if anything, judging what's to be covered next, the next ending most likely involve with Naruto/Sasuke. That's it. I will give it the next next ending for more NS fanservice, if there's no fillers that is. I do wish they would make an ending that I suggested it in the episode thread. Check it if you didn't. Yes, I do love latest fanservice. Way to make it so obvious, anime.


Actually, it's probably going to be about Gaara. According to ANN, the song's title is "MOTHER" and the artist is MUCC. As for the opening, it's going to be done by Daisuke, the singer of Hourou Musuko's opening (if anyone's watched it).

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ Sep 9 2012, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Said interview doesn't exist. Kishimoto has always been extremely clever to dodge any potential pairing questions. When asked who was his favourite female character, he said Tenten once, and then Anko in another occasion. When asked who he would have a crush on, he said they were all his characters and it would be weird. Yet, when he was asked who he would have a crush on if he were a girl, he said Shikamaru. In the same interview, WSJ said they wished Hinata would get a chance, and he agreed, although that may have been in reference to her chance at a confession.


If you're concerned about originality, wouldn't it make more sense to judge them based on the overall story premise rather than just their roles (both being protagonists). Hardly any manga feature the main character's female love interest in love with someone else. Furthermore, the protagonist/ side character argument can be applied to any side character.


I knew you believe in the couple for a long time but most of the time you where seem so modest and will avoid any straight forward NS argument, like if you always said something but you seem more reserve and you normally limited yourself from going overboard with your argument to avoid been wrong in your judgment.
But this comment was very straight forward what happen?

@Transformers03
The AB3 hates all pairing but lately the story the fanservice and the movie kind of reinforce the idea of NS being the end pairing and since NS fans seem more happy especially IchiHime since he is the only one really open about his feelings but most of the NS fans feels that way too but just prefer to act casual.
AB3 senses it being supported by the overall story. They want the story to end with no pairing and NS seems more obvious between the three so the will focus on that pairing the most and try to make a big thing of chapter 469, 540 and bash the parallels.

ANS fans, the only see Hinata and Sakura's feelings they ignore everything else plus they have breakfast with ANS comments, lunch, dinner and midnight dinner with ANS comments, sometimes they are so desperate to restore their faith that despite the FC only being for people who hates NS it force many to stay away because it become a very biased pro NH/SS and ANS FC.

Think about this, A pro SS call is her fellow member bias, an Anti Pairing fan pro ANS fan also called the ANS fan biased and hypocrite. I only know one NS fan being a big bias vs two members calling their own fellow members bias because they refuse to talk about the overall story, Sasuke's feelings etc. They only focus on Sakura's feelings and the future, while blatantly stating that they don't care how he feels or treated her or anything anything that happen in the story, Sakura loves him.

Plus this same SS and NH fans are also active members in the. Anti NaruKarin, anti SasuHina, anti NejiHina, anti SasuNaru anti SasuKarin, anti KibaHina and anti ShinoHina.

Like I said those fans invest a lot of time making a biased argument for the pairing they like, hating any pairing that could crush their dreams especially NS and SN while only fucus on the girl feelings.

I know I shouldn't speak this way but I want you and any doubter to not feel any way about the anti's since they are mostly angry that the story is not going their way, while they try to undermine/understate anything that help NS and go against their desire. I liked the AB3 because there were no biased comments but know they become personally against NS so ignore them, the comments are mostly fans desire and want vs manga fact hints and evidence.

Edited by NS means logic, 09 September 2012 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Sep 10 2012, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I knew you believe in the couple for a long time but most of the time you where seem so modest and will avoid any straight forward NS argument, like if you always said something but you seem more reserve and you normally limited yourself from going overboard with your argument to avoid been wrong in your judgment.
But this comment was very straight forward what happen?


No, I avoid insulting the anti and fans of other pairings. There is no need to be cutthroat here.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 04:52 PM

Hmmm, i dont know why the end of manga 600 says that the battle is heading towards its final climax when kishi said that the manga is going to take more than 1,5 years. I dont think the fight will take so long also including sasuke fight it woud take less then 1,5 years i think.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:06 PM

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Hmmm, i dont know why the end of manga 600 says that the battle is heading towards its final climax when kishi said that the manga is going to take more than 1,5 years. I dont think the fight will take so long also including sasuke fight it woud take less then 1,5 years i think.

I don't think it means the whole series, though it does give you that sense. So I believe that message is either throwing you off or this arc is getting close to the end. I will go with the latter due to the fact Sasuke escaped this arc and going with Orochimaru for something. So in a sense, they are on hold. Plus if it all ends here, how can they squeeze in with all the developments we are going to see soon, especially Sasuke search for truth. It makes sense. Plus where's that Black Zetsu? There are needed development to be established. So yeah, I would say this is the climax of the arc.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 9 2012, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think it means the whole series, though it does give you that sense. So I believe that message is either throwing you off or this arc is getting close to the end. I will go with the latter due to the fact Sasuke escaped this arc and going with Orochimaru for something. So in a sense, they are on hold. Plus if it all ends here, how can they squeeze in with all the developments we are going to see soon, especially Sasuke search for truth. It makes sense. Plus where's that Black Zetsu? There are needed development to be established. So yeah, I would say this is the climax of the arc.


SO you mean its just the clima of the war arc??

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 9 2012, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think it means the whole series, though it does give you that sense. So I believe that message is either throwing you off or this arc is getting close to the end. I will go with the latter due to the fact Sasuke escaped this arc and going with Orochimaru for something. So in a sense, they are on hold. Plus if it all ends here, how can they squeeze in with all the developments we are going to see soon, especially Sasuke search for truth. It makes sense. Plus where's that Black Zetsu? There are needed development to be established. So yeah, I would say this is the climax of the arc.


SO you mean its just the clima of the war arc??

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 9 2012, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SO you mean its just the clima of the war arc??

mmm wait didnt kishi right in the last page of 600 the fight reaches its climax headscratch.gif

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 9 2012, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No he wrote that the story is reaching its final climax

kitten err.gif wait i forgot my english lesson after the climax there's the resolve,isnt there anything in between, maybe he ment just the obito madara conflict

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Sep 9 2012, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
kitten err.gif wqit i forgot my english lesson after the climax there's the, resolve maybe he ment just the obito madara conflict


Mybe but then he could also say climax of the fight not story

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 9 2012, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Plus where's that Black Zetsu?

Chojuro took care of him in one panel. He is not dead, just defeated.

Edited by Deej, 09 September 2012 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Deej @ Sep 9 2012, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chojuro took care of him in one panel. He is not dead, just defeated.

Okay. Thanks for letting me know. I still do believe he's behind this as well. I mean look at Obito. Surely there's a Zetsu involvement in there. Oh yeah, it can't be climax of the story yet. Just fight. Where's Yamato? What will happen when they learn about 1st Hokage? It's the story of this arc is at its climax. It makes sense. If I'm wrong, well it's going to be hard to add so many developments. Plus Naruto does need to fight Sasuke in full strength.

Edit: Sorry to be out of topic, but can someone tell me what episode is this scene from:


Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 September 2012 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:15 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 9 2012, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay. Thanks for letting me know. I still do believe he's behind this as well. I mean look at Obito. Surely there's a Zetsu involvement in there. Oh yeah, it can't be climax of the story yet. Just fight. Where's Yamato? What will happen when they learn about 1st Hokage? It's the story of this arc is at its climax. It makes sense. If I'm wrong, well it's going to be hard to add so many developments. Plus Naruto does need to fight Sasuke in full strength.


Puhh!! If the manga goes on about 2 years or longer, i wonder how long the anime needs with its fillers tongue.gif about 4 years biggrin.gif

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 06:19 PM


Edit: Sorry to be out of topic, but can someone tell me what episode is this scene from:


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Hard to say there are more then 1 episode she makes that face in front of naruto

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