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[Catra]

Still better than Naruto

eeeeh. idk. battle of gods felt like a parody of itself and this frieza movie looks stupid as heck (new colors = new form!) i think dbz should have stayed dead.

[Frankie]

eeeeh. idk. battle of gods felt like a parody of itself and this frieza movie looks stupid as heck (new colors = new form!) i think dbz should have stayed dead.

Battle of Gods had an awesome fight at the end, which is what DBZ is about. Sure the Frieza form is a little 'eh', but as long as the fighting is worth watching, I don't think the form should matter. It could have been designed better, I admit.

[Catra]

meh, its typical dbz fighting which im honestly tired of. uberhikari of youtube said it best; a fight is never supposed to be an end in itself, its just a tool that the author uses as means to explore deeper idealogical meanings of the plot/narative/story.

 

in BoG, its just goku protecting earth (again) and bills is fighting cuz he's bored.

 

 edit: not saying dbz always had deep stuff in its fights though cuz dbz isnt about that XD but after naruto, it taught me theres more to shows than just fights

Edited by Catra, 06 June 2015 - 11:19 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

meh, its typical dbz fighting which im honestly tired of. uberhikari of youtube said it best; a fight is never supposed to be an end in itself, its just a tool that the author uses as means to explore deeper idealogical meanings of the plot/narative/story.

 

in BoG, its just goku protecting earth (again) and bills is fighting cuz he's bored.

 

 edit: not saying dbz always had deep stuff in its fights though cuz dbz isnt about that XD but after naruto, it taught me theres more to shows than just fights

Yes, but when you show is bad, you might as well play safe by being a summer flick, aka all action.

[Nar123]

meh, its typical dbz fighting which im honestly tired of. uberhikari of youtube said it best; a fight is never supposed to be an end in itself, its just a tool that the author uses as means to explore deeper idealogical meanings of the plot/narative/story.

 

in BoG, its just goku protecting earth (again) and bills is fighting cuz he's bored.

 

 edit: not saying dbz always had deep stuff in its fights though cuz dbz isnt about that XD but after naruto, it taught me theres more to shows than just fights

 

That's the main problem with Naruto though

 

A show doesn't exactly needs to be deep, and it isn't a rule that the "fights"  need to be a tool for other themes

DBZ is just good natured fun, comedy and fights with a good amount of anxiety and dread at the right times. A simple true battle shonen

It was always like this and became famous with this. It doesn't try to sell profound messages or whatever, people watch DBZ because it's fun to see ceratin characters antics and their power measures at the end of the arcs

 

Naruto tried to be too deep, and that's were it failed

In the beginning Kishimoto could handle the level of "deepness" well enough, probably because he had help from Yahagi ( his first editor and the one who pratically "wrote" naruto at first)

However a little after Pein arc, Kishi made a mistake, he introduced a lot of more complex themes within the story when he had no capability as a writer to make these themes believable, so we ended up getting stupid resolutions on the concepts of "forgiveness", "peace" and" hatred", futhermore Kishi also managed to ruin the themes he also had developed in the story before, he managed to ruin the "hardwork plot theme" by asspulling powers left and right and also managed to ruin the "destiny plot theme"  (a plot theme that was essential in part 1 to both Neji and Naruto's character) by making Naruto into some kind of child of prophecy and reincarnation of a freaking demigod

 

So yeah, "deepness" doesn't mean kitten if the author doesn't know how to handle it

 

I will be forever glad DB/DBZ remained the simple battle shonen it was and didn't tried to be deep for the sake of being deep 

Edited by Nar123, 06 June 2015 - 11:50 PM.

[Catra]

it was alright that naruto tried to be deep but the problem was that it tried to out deep its deep if that makes sense.

 

for me, when i first saw naruto, it reminded me of what makes story and characters motivations and personalities important. I think too much of dbz rotted my brain a bit x3 all that matter was "who's gonna get stronger" while humans and a namek got left in the dust (bad writing/handling but i don't blame toriyama as he was forced to continue his series by fans and his higher ups)

 

yes i did watch other shows like ed, edd n eddy, dexters lab, outlaw star, yuyu hakusho, ruroni kenshin, cyborg 009, samurai jack, etc. but everyone who grew up in the 90's/early 2000's, dbz ruled television, there's no denying that fact. Granted i now love the shows i mentioned above more than dbz now.

Edited by Catra, 07 June 2015 - 12:17 AM.

[Toasty Warrior]

At least we can all agree that Goku would never let his combat skills get rusty like Naruto did with his. xD

[Catra]

At least we can all agree that Goku would never let his combat skills get rusty like Naruto did with his. xD

he's a dead beat dad though. =o

 

but lets face it, even superman wouldn't be able to be a good father and a world protector at the same time.

 

naruto has clones though so he has no excuse =p

[TouKen4Life3g]

At least we can all agree that Goku would never let his combat skills get rusty like Naruto did with his. xD

The rusty excuse doesn't even make that much sense.

[Catra]

The rusty excuse doesn't even make that much sense.

its peace time so  training is now illegal?

[Nostradamus]

its peace time so  training is now illegal?

Yet they still send their children to learn how to kill people. Oh excuse me, how to be a ninja.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Perhaps it would have worked if they started off from the beginning.

[Catra]

Yet they still send their children to learn how to kill people. Oh excuse me, how to be a ninja.

nagato's rolling in his grave.

[Namikaze Clan]

Was there going to be more movies after the Boruto one? I recall hearing that Pierrot had more movies planned with the new Gen.

[Nar123]

nagato's rolling in his grave.

 

Not only him

 

Don't forget about Kushina and Minato...oh and Jiraya too

 

 

Was there going to be more movies after the Boruto one? I recall hearing that Pierrot had more movies planned with the new Gen.

 

No, they haven't stated such thing...yet

Tbh I just want the series to die but really the world of Naruto is interesting, in the hands of another person a good story could come out of it...so if somehow another person does a story based on Nartuo's worls with another set of characters it might be good....

[Namikaze Clan]

Not only him
 
Don't forget about Kushina and Minato...oh and Jiraya too
 
 

 
No, they haven't stated such thing...yet
Tbh I just want the series to die but really the world of Naruto is interesting, in the hands of another person a good story could come out of it...so if somehow another person does a story based on Nartuo's worls with another set of characters it might be good....

I would like a prequel based on Team Minato. Aside from that, I hope the boruto movie is the last part of the series.

[Catra]

[Frankie]

he's a dead beat dad though. =o
 
but lets face it, even superman wouldn't be able to be a good father and a world protector at the same time.
 
naruto has clones though so he has no excuse =p

Goku isn't really a deadbeat dad though. For the first five years of Gohan's life, he was there for him. He died to save him from Raditz and then he needed to stay dead to train against the Saiyans. He arrives and the first thing he does is save his son. He's the only one who can fight Nappa and Vegeta, so he sends Gohan and Krillin away to stop them from dying. Nappa and Vegeta are defeated. Gohan decided on his own to go to Namek, which Goku couldn't go at first because of his injuries from Vegeta.

He gets to Namek when the others are fighting the Ginyu Force. He needs to stay behind to hold off Ginyu and Jeice while Gohan and Krillin get the Dragonballs. Ginyu steals his body and he's forced to stay in the healing chamber until he recovers to fight Frieza. Krillin dies, he becomes a Super Saiyan, and he tells Gohan to leave so he could finish Frieza. He stayed behind to ensure Frieza died when everyone on Namek was wished away.

Yes he stayed on Yaradrat when he didn't have to. I will say that he wasn't planning to stay forever and was gonna come back.

He comes back a year later to yet another threat. He and Gohan and everyone else has to train for three years to prepare against the Androids. He spent those three years with his son, regardless of what they were doing. He spends a year of our time in the Time Chamber with Gohan. Again, he was there regardless of what they were doing.

He had faith Gohan could beat Cell and was gonna jump in when Piccolo told him that Gohan didn't want to fight. He realized it wasn't fair of him to do that to Gohan. He sacrifices himself to save the planet from Cell since he was the only one who could. He stays dead so the Earth wouldn't be in danger anymore and since the Earth was in peace for the seven years he was dead, it seemed to be the right choice. He didn't survive long enough to learn he was gonna be a dad again, so Chi-Chi's pregnancy isn't a point on his bad parenting.

He spends the peaceful part of his one day with Goten and getting to know him and was sad that he couldn't spend more time with his family. He thought Gohan was dead and the first thing he did when he went back to the Other World was to ask where Gohan was. He reunites with Gohan on the Kai planet and helps train and spend time with him. He's sad when Gohan leaves as he thought that was the last time he would see his son until he eventually died. He's angry and distraught when his sons are absorbed by Buu. After the battle with Kid Buu he spends ten peaceful years with his family.

He left to train Ubb. He probably felt obligated to train him somehow and he probably was gonna check in on his family now and then. He wasn't leaving forever. He was going to a different part of the planet. These guys can fly faster than the speed of sound. If they really wanted to see Goku, they could track him down in seconds and get there in less than an hour.

So no, Goku isn't a deadbeat dad.

Edited by Frankie, 08 June 2015 - 07:24 AM.

[Catra]

I'm still not convinced honestly. take note that i don't blame goku himself, rather the situation he's was put into. Goku's heart is in the right place but, i still can't see him being a great father and the worlds protector at the same time. thats just me though.

 

you know something, with this kiba chapter i've seen, he reminds me a lot of yamcha. which is sad, i liked yamcha. i liked kiba to, and its sad that the term "yamcha" is just another word for "failure" around the internet.

[Michi]

Gosh, they are so ugly...

https://www.animenew...-designs/.88930

they are so effin ugly OMG.