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[ioria]

God, I hope Obito doesn't pull a Nagato, but I still have this nagging feeling someone (Kaguya/Madara/Obito) is going to.

 

Me too, I have this feeling...

[FireFox]

I would disagree that Sasuke is even in the same universe as Obito when it comes to horrible atrocities. He'd be closer to Akatsuki if they didn't have their own personal atrocities apart from this, but in terms of the current set of events it's a far better comparison and none of them knew this was what they were working toward. Even it's "leader" Pain didn't know.

For example, Sasuke was a part that eventually led to the death of Neji. Obito actually killed him. Not the same. However, it's almost an unfair comparison because Obito is such an unbelievable piece of crap that he shouldn't be seen as the standard for determining when someone has cross the line. Obito is light years past it.

That said, I agree it's forced and it blows that it's obvious Sasuke will escape responsibility for his actions. He doesn't have clean hands and that everyone is much worse shouldn't mean he escapes it (but we all know he will).

To me they are the same piece of Uciha kitten  but never mind that .

 

True Sasuke's actions leading to Neji and the other's deaths and Obito doing it its not same but still he also holds responsibility for his actions  there is no better or worse in here they are both the ultimate trash a piece of kitten . Also Sasuke joined Akatsuki so he can have a Bijuu bc Obito promised him so he can destroy Konoha  forgot to mention this one   

 

I don't know why Obito should get credit for this. Does anyone honestly think this fandom will flip on Sasuke if he suddenly sees the error of his way?


God, I hope Obito doesn't pull a Nagato, but I still have this nagging feeling someone (Kaguya/Madara/Obito) is going to.

Its not much of a credit  but that's the first step to a redemption  you have to be really sorry and you have to be willing to work for it  but in both of this cases that's not enough . The deal with Sasuke he shows no signs of remorse or that he thinks what he did was bad and its gonna stay like this till the end when the N/S fight happens and he's gonna sees the errors of his way bc Naruto's gonna force that on him .

 

Everything about his redemption is just crap just hope Kishi at the end doesn't shove Team Dysfunctional together reunited after all that crap making peace with each other and the going their separate ways OK anything than that Oh Boy you better hope I don't come in here  I don't know about this whole fandom fliping about Sasuke suddenly seing the error of his ways but i know some of us will like me i will be among the first Lol .    

 

Well I hope it doesn't happen either but I used to think that Obito with his Rinengan is gonna do it but now i have no clue  .

[Sakura~]

 
I don't think Obito will die right away, just that his lifespan has been drastically cut, so he'll live a shorter life than most. 
 
Also, seriously, I love that avatar!  Did you make it?

Thanks ^.^ nope I got it from google. :)

[Nate River]

Its not much of a credit  but that's the first step to a redemption  you have to be really sorry and you have to be willing to work for it  but in both of this cases that's not enough . The deal with Sasuke he shows no signs of remorse or that he thinks what he did was bad and its gonna stay like this till the end when the N/S fight happens and he's gonna sees the errors of his way bc Naruto's gonna force that on him .
 
Everything about his redemption is just crap just hope Kishi at the end doesn't shove Team Dysfunctional together reunited after all that crap making peace with each other and the going their separate ways OK anything than that Oh Boy you better hope I don't come in here  I don't know about this whole fandom fliping about Sasuke suddenly seing the error of his ways but i know some of us will like me i will be among the first Lol .    
 
Well I hope it doesn't happen either but I used to think that Obito with his Rinengan is gonna do it but now i have no clue  .

Obito had to have the remorse beat into him, up until then he thought he was doing this for everyone else's benefit. I think this will be true for Sasuke as well.

[FireFox]

Obito had to have the remorse beat into him, up until then he thought he was doing this for everyone else's benefit. I think this will be true for Sasuke as well.

Not really bc it was stated by Kakashi that the reason why Obito was pushing Naruto was to convince himself in what he's doing is right or wrong  with Sasuke you don't have even this its getting even worse everything just comes out of the blue with him and everything he does is for his own benefit besides that do you think Sasuke will work for his redemption after Naruto beats it to him that there will be time to show it ? There will be no time for that  the manga ends few chaps after that . Also Obito isn't Sasuke they don't feel the same they are not the same  Obito got redeemed bc he saw himself within Naruto who he used to be  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 03 July 2014 - 11:07 PM.

[Nate River]

Not really bc it was stated by Kakashi that the reason why Obito was pushing Naruto was to convince himself in what he's doing is right or wrong  with Sasuke you don't have even this its getting even worse everything just comes out of the blue with him and everything he does is for his own benefit besides that do you think Sasuke will work for his redemption after Naruto beats it to him that there will be time to show it ? There will be no time for that  the manga ends few chaps after that . Also Obito isn't Sasuke they don't feel the same they are not the same  Obito got redeemed bc he saw himself within Naruto who he used to be  .

Had forgotten that line.

It makes me think even less of Obito. He needed to push Naruto to figure that out?

Obito got redeemed bc he saw himself within Naruto who he used to be

This is grounds for redemption? Pitiful.

[FireFox]

Had forgotten that line.

It makes me think even less of Obito. He needed to push Naruto to figure that out?


This is grounds for redemption? Pitiful.

Pitiful ,Sh1tty , Crappy It Sucks  call it whatever you like that's up to the reader to decide and I don't even care  but my point was at least Obito has those elements Sasuke shows Nothing has kitten zero none it will be literary beaten up to him so which one is more forced and pitiful in here ?

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 03 July 2014 - 11:56 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Not really bc it was stated by Kakashi that the reason why Obito was pushing Naruto was to convince himself in what he's doing is right or wrong  with Sasuke you don't have even this its getting even worse everything just comes out of the blue with him and everything he does is for his own benefit besides that do you think Sasuke will work for his redemption after Naruto beats it to him that there will be time to show it ? There will be no time for that  the manga ends few chaps after that . Also Obito isn't Sasuke they don't feel the same they are not the same  Obito got redeemed bc he saw himself within Naruto who he used to be  .

I'm sorry but i think you forgot some details too.
Sasuke's goal is to be hokage and fix the village so in a way what he's doing he thinks he's right but he has more knowledge than Naruto in that regard since he heard the previous case and made the judgement that his way is best because the other hokages followed the same ideal Naruto has and they failed.

Sasuke is also aware that he cant become hokage because of his previous attitudes and the k11 wont let him become and also Naruto surprisingly becoming his obstacle, to achieve that goal, so he made the decision to kill every opposition he will face but he's going to be redeemed way before he actually puts it into practice.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 July 2014 - 11:58 PM.

[FireFox]

I'm sorry but i think you forgot some details too.
Sasuke's goal is to be hokage and fix the village so in a way what he's doing he thinks he's right but he has more knowledge than Naruto in that regard since he heard the previous case and made the judgement that his way is best because the other hokages followed the same ideal Naruto has and they failed.

What does this has to do with my post and him showing signs of redemption ? Still what he's doing is wrong even with that knowledge  he can literary shove it in his ars  the only one who benefits from his plan is him and no one else he's doing the Danzo and is prepare to let anybody dies how is this good or more knowledge helps him in here I have no idea . And really you are trying a little to hard to paint his goal and him  as a saint with noble cause who is misunderstood  Oh Please  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 04 July 2014 - 12:14 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What does this has to do with my post and him showing signs of redemption ? Still what he's doing is wrong even with that knowledge  he can literary shove it in his ars  the only one who benefits from his plan is him and no one else he's doing the Danzo and is prepare to let anybody dies how is this good or more knowledge helps him in here I have no idea . And really you are trying a little to hard to paint his goal and him and  as a saint who is misunderstood .

It's because you said Sasuke is different than Obito.
I just expressed they're the same however it's not the time for Sasuke's redemption yet despite him getting some reality checks from Naruto, also Obito only showed remorse during his fight against Naruto after his mask was broken.
Sasuke has advantage towards Naruto because of Naruto's ignorance on the hokage business.

[FireFox]

It's because you said Sasuke is different than Obito.
I just expressed they're the same however it's not the time for Sasuke's redemption yet despite him getting some reality checks from Naruto, also Obito only showed remorse during his fight against Naruto after his mask was broken.
Sasuke has advantage towards Naruto because of Naruto's ignorance on the hokage business.

Well he is  they are totally different characters they feel and act different their goal is different and the way the went about it is different. 

 

First what you are saying remains to be seen ,  second if so it will be done at the very end  and that's an asspull , third Sasuke still after his famous legendary meetings & talk with Itachi and  Hashirama  didn't showed any kind of remorse and continues do even worse  no progression what so ever so please spear me from he will show it at the end that's an bad excuse and it doesn't change that it's an asspull , Obiito's redemption will be far better done then his one bc Obito showed struggling with his feelings for a very long time Sasuke like I said has shown Zero kitten None of that and he had more then enough reality checks   .

 

Here you go again this has nothing to do with my point and what freaking advantage does he has what good does it serve him when the moron is trying to lead by force he's doing the Danzo he can put that knowledge in his ars it serves nothing  ? Naruto's "ignorance" means kitten in here  and he's not so ignorant he knows some of those stuff just not fully  he knows the village has its dark side and that's all that matters  but this has nothing with what i discussed in the first place . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 04 July 2014 - 12:52 AM.

[Gojira]

I think Sasuke's outlook on women is pretty much based around Madara's look on them, which he pretty much explained briefly to Tsunade

 

"You are a weak, and weak women are ugly"

 

This atleast explains why he treats Sakura like crap and praises Karin continously, since Karin is someone who happens to have abilities that Sasuke can always make use for. 

[luffyq1]

I think Sasuke's outlook on women is pretty much based around Madara's look on them, which he pretty much explained briefly to Tsunade

 

"You are a weak, and weak women are ugly"

 

This atleast explains why he treats Sakura like crap and praises Karin continously, since Karin is someone who happens to have abilities that Sasuke can always make use for. 

I disagree. Your theory could be plausible if Sasuke had not treated both girls like crap at some certain point in the series. Both almost died by the hands of Sasuke.

[Gojira]

I disagree. Your theory could be plausible if Sasuke had not treated both girls like crap at some certain point in the series. Both almost died by the hands of Sasuke.

 

The only time I recall him treating Karin like crap was during the kage summit arc when he was legitimately and going out of his way to kill and harm people even when he didn't have to. 

[luffyq1]

 

The only time I recall him treating Karin like crap was during the kage summit arc when he was legitimately and going out of his way to kill and harm people even when he didn't have to. 

Which makes it worse. 

[Gojira]

Which makes it worse. 

How so?

[luffyq1]

How so?

You said he didn't even have to, yet he did anyway. But I'd like to know what's your point exactly? I can name dozens of characters that he's treated better than Sakura.

[James S Cassidy]

You know what's really interesting?

Noone ever noticed that we have this same problems in our own comic books as well and worse still when characters will lampshade it only to make the same mistake as them.

Take example. Batman and Superman.

Now Superman is idealist when it comes to living beings. He sort of believes almost everyone is capable of being good no matter how many times they have tried to kill him or kill the people he loved. This has caused many people, including Batman, to call him the blue boy scout. What's ironically funny about this is is that Batman is somewhat the same way. He never kills people either despite how many times the bad guy threatens his life or the life of his loved ones. He has even lost people when the enemies killed them.

The Joker is a great example of this as Joker has killed hundreds of people in his career alone and yet, Batman never kills him. He just sends him back to jail or the asylum for rehabilitation that really doesn't work. Joker ends up escaping again and killing more people. You'd think they'd just give him the electric chair already.

So how can Batman accuse Superman of such things when he does the same thing? I could argue Batman could have saved alot of lives by just snapping Joker's neck.


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 July 2014 - 02:17 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Their code of honor or anything is always challenged to the core. Batman is always challenged because well, no kill as a normal guy isn't easy. If he was supernatural, maybe. But yeah, it brings harm to outside than good inside.

[Nate River]

Pitiful ,Sh1tty , Crappy It Sucks  call it whatever you like that's up to the reader to decide and I don't even care  but my point was at least Obito has those elements Sasuke shows Nothing has kitten zero none it will be literary beaten up to him so which one is more forced and pitiful in here ?

I'm sure it is, there are plenty of readers willing to turn a blind eye to his mass murder who still want Sasuke castrated. If that's the cheap hook they use, fine. S'okay as long as his doesn't off a fan favorite, I suppose.

So Obito has those elements. Who cares?

I don't care about for remorseful feelings. It's about as meaningful as saying at least Obito had good intentions when he murdered all those people. His crimes are too horrific for it to count for anything. His possession of them doesn't make me feel better about what Naruto did. I still think it was bad. The whole thing is appaling. Sasuke is bad, but he's an amateur compared to Obito. Obito feeling bad doesn't bring him higher up the P-O-S ladder. He's too far for me to care what he feels.