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What could there possibly be to hate about his writing? 

The constant villain cop-outs? The inability of villains to be held accountable? The part where he constantly shoves power ups down our throats? Sakura being continuously shafted? Sasuke's continued existence? 

I can't see a thing wrong with any of it, because I LOVE being continuously hit over the head with him attempting to make readers feel sympathetic to the villains   even though the villains want to destroy the world and kill the good guys. 

I mean I had hope he'll change, but I can't keep up with the constant kitten. I'm just wondering if he does this on purpose 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Its been like this since...uh, I guess The Itachi VS Sasuke fight. I don't think he's going to change...Of course he does it on purpose. 

He pretty much has to beat the audience over the head with some of the stuff he writes, you don't do that without having to try. Some things I'm sure he's done  accidentally, not really realizing the ramifications it would have on his story but then OTHER things he's done on purpose. 

Like making it abundantly clear that in his universe the Uchiha will always have something/someone else to blame for their bull other then themselves. That was intentionally done. He's side lined MAIN characters to full around with the supporting cast way more then he should have when he could have given those main characters more development ( like IDK...Explaining why the hell Sakura was in love with Sasuke like she was. That'd be great to understand.) 

He tries REALLY hard to make villains sympathetic. So much so that having it pushed in my face makes me automatically feel even less sympathetic. 

Yea, Kishimoto definitely does that crap on purpose. I have no idea what happened...Naruto and the 1st half of shippuden were great and then things took a dive. Occasionally an awesome chapter comes along now but its quickly followed by something not-so-good. 
 

[rikakim94]

Its been like this since...uh, I guess The Itachi VS Sasuke fight. I don't think he's going to change...Of course he does it on purpose. 

He pretty much has to beat the audience over the head with some of the stuff he writes, you don't do that without having to try. Some things I'm sure he's done  accidentally, not really realizing the ramifications it would have on his story but then OTHER things he's done on purpose. 

Like making it abundantly clear that in his universe the Uchiha will always have something/someone else to blame for their bull other then themselves. That was intentionally done. He's side lined MAIN characters to full around with the supporting cast way more then he should have when he could have given those main characters more development ( like IDK...Explaining why the hell Sakura was in love with Sasuke like she was. That'd be great to understand.) 

He tries REALLY hard to make villains sympathetic. So much so that having it pushed in my face makes me automatically feel even less sympathetic. 

Yea, Kishimoto definitely does that crap on purpose. I have no idea what happened...Naruto and the 1st half of shippuden were great and then things took a dive. Occasionally an awesome chapter comes along now but its quickly followed by something not-so-good. 
 

 

I agree with everything except that last sentence i no longer find anything in this manga interesting anymore. 

[melovechoco]

So somebody stole the real sketch and upload it on tumblr? How brave he is. Well, probably it is real, but most probably not. It's too good to be true. Especially tumblr IMO is not a place for me to put my faith for a spoiler. But if we can say that if the 683 supposed to be like that, from the bottom left panel signalling the beginning of plot/moment that we have been craving for. This is just an 'if' theory.

fanart, doesnt look real for me...

[tekopi]

fanart, doesnt look real for me...

Yea, we already establish that. Thinking back, even I can try to make a convincing sketch.   Well, maybe not. LOL. 

[melovechoco]

Yea, we already establish that. Thinking back, even I can try to make a convincing sketch.   Well, maybe not. LOL. 

i know    

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Its been like this since...uh, I guess The Itachi VS Sasuke fight. I don't think he's going to change...Of course he does it on purpose. 

He pretty much has to beat the audience over the head with some of the stuff he writes, you don't do that without having to try. Some things I'm sure he's done  accidentally, not really realizing the ramifications it would have on his story but then OTHER things he's done on purpose. 

Like making it abundantly clear that in his universe the Uchiha will always have something/someone else to blame for their bull other then themselves. That was intentionally done. He's side lined MAIN characters to full around with the supporting cast way more then he should have when he could have given those main characters more development ( like IDK...Explaining why the hell Sakura was in love with Sasuke like she was. That'd be great to understand.) 

He tries REALLY hard to make villains sympathetic. So much so that having it pushed in my face makes me automatically feel even less sympathetic. 

Yea, Kishimoto definitely does that crap on purpose. I have no idea what happened...Naruto and the 1st half of shippuden were great and then things took a dive. Occasionally an awesome chapter comes along now but its quickly followed by something not-so-good. 
 

I agree with everything except that for me, everything went down hell after the pain arc. 

[Gojira]

I predict the next two chapters are going to be failed attempts at sealing Kaguya and maybe at the end of the 3rd one we'll probably reach the climax of this fight before they seal her.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

I agree with everything except that last sentence i no longer find anything in this manga interesting anymore. 

Ah well, you know--its the small things for me. I liked seeing everyone's dream worlds, I liked Sakura's slug summoning, the 5 kage fight was good...but like I said the instances are rare.

The real reason I refuse to stop reading is because I've wasted about...fourteen years of my life already...might as well see it through. 
 

 

I agree with everything except that for me, everything went down hell after the pain arc. 

I just dated it at the Itachi VS Sasuke fight because directly afterward is where we really start approaching this "no real Villains" trope. I have a love hate relationship with Itachi actually being a good guy. Its also where we THINK Orochimaru's finally gone, and that we know who Tobi actually is only to be trolled over ( and over yet again.) Although having Nagato revive everyone was also a pretty big downswing. 

 

[only Naruto]

Ah well, you know--its the small things for me. I liked seeing everyone's dream worlds, I liked Sakura's slug summoning, the 5 kage fight was good...but like I said the instances are rare.

The real reason I refuse to stop reading is because I've wasted about...fourteen years of my life already...might as well see it through. 
 

 

I just dated it at the Itachi VS Sasuke fight because directly afterward is where we really start approaching this "no real Villains" trope. I have a love hate relationship with Itachi actually being a good guy. Its also where we THINK Orochimaru's finally gone, and that we know who Tobi actually is only to be trolled over ( and over yet again.) Although having Nagato revive everyone was also a pretty big downswing. 

 

i think kishi went wrong when he made the death so easy .that is the only problem  i have with kishi. but even with that the manga still the best for me.cause the message kishi try to deliver through naruto is the best message.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 .and the villains thing  is also related to the message cause we want to see fighting and cool villains but am with kish cause in reality people just act against the evil and want to destroy it without really finding the reason why they are acting like this .which leads that u will stop the evil for just now u didnt solve the problem .cause the good guys just want to get back to their great life so fast that they dont want to bother them selves to know the real problem.

 

i also blame  madara.obito. sasuke. orichimaru .for their actions no matter what problems they had what reasons they try to excuse .they had the choice to endure it like real men and try to make the world a better place but they were weak and lonely .so i can understand their reasons and their suffering that its not easy and so hard .but disagree with their actions and the way they chose to act cause its simply wrong.   just wanted to share my opinion about this.

[redrose3443]

Wow. The new chapter is almost here and at most this thread could reach 24 pages. Sigh, such a slow week.Thank goodness it's almost over.

[Don-kun]

Worst when most of the talk are not even about the chapter this means Kishi really need to start trying harder.

Edited by Don-kun, 23 June 2014 - 12:30 PM.

[Chatte]

I've noticed a thing lately, to be honest.. Among the fandom overall.. Whenever Sakura is in a chapter, the boards everywhere go kaboom (be it in a good or bad way), however, when Sakura's not in, people seem not that interested... I mean, the fire goest out really quick... Tells a lot about the level of boredom of the fandom in regards to Kishi's work lately and seemingly, the only one who can spark some interest is none than Sakura...
Anyway, at least from what I saw.

[Luna]

I've noticed a thing lately, to be honest.. Among the fandom overall.. Whenever Sakura is in a chapter, the boards everywhere go kaboom (be it in a good or bad way), however, when Sakura's not in, people seem not that interested... I mean, the fire goest out really quick... Tells a lot about the level of boredom of the fandom in regards to Kishi's work lately and seemingly, the only one who can spark some interest is none than Sakura...
Anyway, at least from what I saw.

I agree! Sakura is a walking time bomb for the fandom(pairing related most of the time)

[Nostradamus]

I've noticed a thing lately, to be honest.. Among the fandom overall.. Whenever Sakura is in a chapter, the boards everywhere go kaboom (be it in a good or bad way), however, when Sakura's not in, people seem not that interested... I mean, the fire goest out really quick... Tells a lot about the level of boredom of the fandom in regards to Kishi's work lately and seemingly, the only one who can spark some interest is none than Sakura...
Anyway, at least from what I saw.

It could be because Kishimoto screwed his story so many times it's not even funny anymore. Just take a look at what he did and still does with Naruto and Sasuke. Not only that but Madara, Kaguya, Rikudou, Juubi, Zetsu etc.

Now Sakura is the only character that he wasn't totally screwed and that keeps her interesting in a way. Also a lot of people know that the story in Naruto is pretty much crap these days, and the majority of the fandom that continues to read the manga is because of pairings reasons. That's the only thing Kishimoto hasn't screwed up yet. 

[BlueStarSaber]

I've noticed a thing lately, to be honest.. Among the fandom overall.. Whenever Sakura is in a chapter, the boards everywhere go kaboom (be it in a good or bad way), however, when Sakura's not in, people seem not that interested... I mean, the fire goest out really quick... Tells a lot about the level of boredom of the fandom in regards to Kishi's work lately and seemingly, the only one who can spark some interest is none than Sakura...
Anyway, at least from what I saw.

I'm always interested in the manga regardless if Sakura is in it or not. I don't post here often because I'm tried of people here also complaining.

[luffyq1]

I've noticed a thing lately, to be honest.. Among the fandom overall.. Whenever Sakura is in a chapter, the boards everywhere go kaboom (be it in a good or bad way), however, when Sakura's not in, people seem not that interested... I mean, the fire goest out really quick... Tells a lot about the level of boredom of the fandom in regards to Kishi's work lately and seemingly, the only one who can spark some interest is none than Sakura...
Anyway, at least from what I saw.

Sakura doesn't bore the kitten out of me like Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi.

[Jenskott]

 

 

Well you never guess what I heard a Sasuke fan what Sasuke to get a power in which he can regenerate when he is close to death so he can out live Naruto because Sasuke has suffered more than anyone else in the story and in any other manga/Anime. That is what they said

 

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I seriously HOPE that person is joking... or he/she is very young and has barely read/watched other manga/anime series.

 

I can think of many Naruto characters have suffered more than Sasuke. I can easily think of several DOZENS of manga/anime characters have suffered more than Sasuke.

 

Jeez, you only need check seinen mangas to find plenty examples. Itto Ogami from Lone Wolf and Cub. Guts from Berserk. Makie from Blade of Inmortal. The main characters of Sanctuary were children living in Cambodia when Khmer Rouge seized power and they had to survive the work camps for crying loud!

 

It does not help that fan's position that Sasuke's most sufferings have been self-inflicted. After his clan's slaughter he had plenty chances to lead a happy life among people that loved him, and he turned every one down.

[Don-kun]

I've noticed a thing lately, to be honest.. Among the fandom overall.. Whenever Sakura is in a chapter, the boards everywhere go kaboom (be it in a good or bad way), however, when Sakura's not in, people seem not that interested... I mean, the fire goest out really quick... Tells a lot about the level of boredom of the fandom in regards to Kishi's work lately and seemingly, the only one who can spark some interest is none than Sakura...
Anyway, at least from what I saw.

The thing is that we already have an idea of Naruto character we now what type of character Sasuke is and the fact the he has a free way to redemption but with Sakura we wonder what will be next will Kishi screw her up, will he give a great fight, will she have some action, will there be any pairing drama, etc. In other words Sasuke and Naruto are in some way predictable and that makes the story boring the same cannot be said about Sakura.

[luffyq1]

She needs a spin-off.