I'm inclined to agree with you on this part , whether he would have been able to go into SM is unknown but i think he would have at least tried do it since i doubt that he was even aware of those conditions since this was something he has never experience before
17 years without even talking a bit just fighting its a long long time so even with this i still think that Yin Kurama would have known about all of Minato's abilities even if he wouldn't be able to perform some of them imo.
The entity that he's imprisoned in is a contractual recipient of the technique that he uses and yet he doesn't know the specifics of how it operates? I find that to be far-fetched. Moreover, to access SM, you need to maintain a state of motionlessness for several moments before activating the form. If what Hiruzen said was true and they were indeed in a constant turbulent state of affairs for 17 years nonstop, then there wouldn't be much leeway for trying to acquire natural energy on his part when he's needing to constantly deal with any attacks that Kurama uses against him.
Remember what Fukasaku said about Sage Mode. It's only practicable if you have allies to distract your enemy. If not, then you retreat temporarily in order to gather the necessary energy. The issue is where do you go when you're trapped inside the stomach of a supernatural creature? And even if this were possible, Minato would have concealed himself before attempting it (unless Kurama discovered him whilst he was in the middle of trying to accumulate energy).
so i think it would be reasonable to at least try , and they had 17 years to know each other in and out
Yes, getting to know how the other functions in a combat scenario as they're constantly at the end of each other's blows, despising each other and doing everything they can to bring harm in a never-ending battle. Something tells me that they wouldn't be trying very hard or had the time for idle conversation.
It's not just the eternal fighting, being inside the recesses of this creature seems to alter the mentality of those who were consumed by it.
He was in a war i don't see why he wouldn't have used it to give himself an advantage
Minato seems hesitant to use it since he never even bothered to gather natural energy when he was confronting the son of the 3rd Raikage and Kumo's jinchuuriki. If he's unwilling to attempt SM when staring down the most powerful shinobi of the opposing army then why would he do so against the legions of fodder that he could fell with just his normal techniques?
or to use it when he will be out of chakra
You need impressive chakra reserves to be able to properly balance natural energy.If Minato is without any chakra to use then how can he mould sage chakra? Depleting your reserves and then trying to resort to SM is a contradiction.
also if he has never used it before than what was the purpose of him learning it in the first place?
To surpass Jiraiya? Maybe he accepted it as an offer from Fukasaku. It's one of those details which Kishi really needs to shed some light on. Perhaps he uses it only when he's being pressured like with Madara and his Perfect Susanoo. Generally his normal move set is enough to handle any opponents that cross him. Why use your trump card when you already have the advantage with smaller tactics?
Come on dude do you really think Kushina wouldn't have been aware of all of his abilities she was his wife she knew every aspect of Minato's being not to mention that they were together since they were kids you honestly think she wouldn't have know if Minato went to train for SM for who knows how long?
Kushina would have definitely know about this also the manga doesn't show that they had any kind of secrets from each other .
Is it relevant to her? Hell, does she even know about Jiraiya preaching about his presumed status as the "child of destiny"? Many of Naruto's close friends seemed oblivious to his new moniker. Probably because it wasn't relevant to them before Naruto threw his hat into the ideological ring.
If it's an ability that he uses sparingly (judging from all the fights that Minato's had on-screen) and if it's not a significant part of his life, then why must he divulge it to Kushina?
Also i don't think that Minato would have stayed quiet about this cus he likes to brag he's a show of he's more or less like Naruto we have seen this in the manga ,
Minato does take pride in his long-winded names and abilities but he's humble enough to not go about proclaiming what his techniques are.
Yes we did discussed this i can't remember now what was exactly said but I think you take those lines way to literally i take them as this was the final step of Naruto surpassing them both and by doing the transfer thing he has finally done that,
Kurama was pretty specific when he was addressing how Naruto "surpassed" them. Allocating chakra to others was apparently an important skill of his parents. And given the circumstances under which he made that comment and Minato's later feats, I don't have much reason to suspect that Naruto wasn't equaled by his father.
which chapter was this anyway my memory's little foggy about this one ?
Kurama makes his statement in #617.
Kurama didn't had any involvement in Minato's ability to transfer chakra we have never seen this
Yet he just so happens to have information regarding chakra transference abilities? Kurama is making quite the bold statement about Minato then if he doesn't know whether he can transfer chakra or not. By that logic, Kushina should have been the only one portrayed in those panels.
he's involvement was only now cus he was sealed within him until recently so how did Kurama knew that Minato was able to transfer chakra and on what level when he was sealed inside Kushina?
Kushina had a bijuu's abilities and it's feasible that she would be capable of using their chakra up to a certain point (not as efficiently as Naruto though who is a perfect jinchuuriki). Perhaps that's what he was referring to and Minato participated in chakra allocation for Kushina. It's a mystery how they used that chakra for transferences besides what Minato did when he transferred his chakra during the flashback.
And how would Kurama not be aware of every single ability that Kushina had when he was a part of her whole life just like he was in Naruto's that doesn't make any sense
Is Kushina the subject of debate? We were originally discussing whether Kurama had knowledge on Minato's senjutsu skills. Whatever Kushina was able to use personally is irrelevant here.
we have seen thru this manga that the bijuu's knows everything about their hosts about their life and their abilities and this is shown mostly thru Naruto and Kurama themselves, also thru Gaara Shukaku and Bee Hachi why would this be different for Kushina and Kurama ?
I'll ask this again. What does this knowledge about Kushina have to do with Minato using senjutsu? Did Minato ever use it in her presence? Was it important enough to mention to her? We never even seen saw Kushina during the 3rd world war and that was probably the best opportunity in Minato's lifespan to use that ability. It seems like that they weren't even assigned to the same unit since Minato had a team of his own and was constantly being sent to the frontlines to act as reinforcements. Besides the last war, what would arise that could compel Minato to use senjutsu in Kushina's presence so Kurama could become aware of it?
Also you can't expect for him to start counting every single one of their abilities in which Naruto has surpassed them that's unreal, this was way more simple for Kishi he pointed out to an ability that both Minato and Kushia shared and said that Naruto surpassed them
You also can't expect a statement that's specifically referring to one talent to somehow be comprehensively usable as confirmation that Naruto is better than them overall.
it doesn't show in any way that he is not aware of their other abilities , it's like saying that because of this he's not even aware that Minato can make Rasengan or FuinJutsu or Kushina doing a FuinJutsu also .
Whether Kurama had prior knowledge of those techniques isn't known but realistically he should since he's been in Minato's presence when he used the Rasengan and fuinjutsu.
Really ? it didn't seem to me like Naruto needed that much time for him to enter BSM it took Naruto 1 sec to do that (go SM and fuse) again
It goes from Naruto entering Sage Mode to a full horizontal panel of Minato and Naruto in BM creating a Rasengan. The gathering process itself may be quickened thanks to Kurama's chakra but Minato never asked his half if he could access SM also. They were already on the move when senjutsu came into the picture.
if Kishi wanted Minato to go BSM he would have done that by now Kishi not doing that means Minato can't it's that simple
Oh yes, and I believe Kurama may have been the reason for his inability to do so. What with the possibility of not knowing about his senjutsu and Naruto already having an ample supply for him to use, I think it's definitely possible that Minato using SM at the time may not have been necessary.
Minato had more than enough time to do that and i don't see how Naruto already adding Sage chakra means that there was no need for Minato add also since it would have made that SageBijuuDama more powerful and bigger and the attack might not have failed . All of this just tells me that Minato isn't able to do it mix his Sage chakra with the Bijuu one .
The circumstances weren't favourable to allow Minato to use any sage techniques. It transitions from Naruto requesting their help to Obito releasing the Shinju in the span of one page (from that point in time). You can see that they're in the process of creating a Bijudama when the situation began to take a turn for the worst.
Yes Minato was surprised by him but he wasn't in a cage like the Yang part so i don't think he steal it from him, i think that he was surprised that the Yin part actually talk to him in the way he did since Yin doesn't strike me as being loud or a talkative person he seems to be a calm guy and speak only when he needs to.
He used Shiki Fujin to seal half of Kurama's power into his body, not the Eight Trigrams seal which contains the Yang portion. It seems that you determine whether or not the bijuu is imprisoned in a cage depending on the type of fuinjutsu that you use. And since the rule of thumb of the shinigami is that you battle eternally with person/thing whom you have trapped the soul of, Yin Kurama may not have been restrained like his other half was. So no, the possibility of Minato having taken the chakra shouldn't be ruled out.
How much does he need to know him or interact with him for him to be able to say to him a simple word like why don't you try to fuse SM and BM that is not so hard? A problem in their communication would have been if they were in a disagreement with each other but since that moment they were comrades and they worked together .
But again my point with all of this was to show that they are in good terms now and that there is no reason to withhold any kind of an information since they are fighting on the same side for the same cause and that there are no grudges between them
Who says that Yin Kurama's personality came down with the same humility that allowed Naruto to negotiate with his bijuu? Remember, Yang and Yin's experiences are different from each other's once they were separated. Yin wasn't presented with the issue of "sharing his room with a frog" or having his power put aside for senjutsu. Just because they're fighting as comrades doesn't mean that Minato has broken that specific barrier of communication or that Yin Kurama holds the knowledge of what he's capable of to suggest it.
Edited by Atheck, 26 February 2014 - 01:15 AM.
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Madara doesn't need his eyes to use Susanoo he just needs to be himself because the power of the Uchiha's lineage is stronger than an eye !!
And Hinata is so strong she will own Madara in an instant for sure ! Because she has the ultimate moon power of love !
I forgot about the Uciha's linage i retract my comment the Uciha's linage and POWER OF LOVE has to be the biggest greatest most stupid asspull i have ever seen there's no competition for this one at all 
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. No kidding i really saw this from a NH fan but it was long time ago .
