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[LuckyChi7]

KnS your analysis is sooo damn right.

 

Anyway we're going for 666, and I hope Kishi has something good in his sleeve !

 

I've wondering about that for months, but you think Kishi will make some kind of reference to is brother's manga, 666 Satan (O Parts Hunter) when it comes to that chapter. Then I looked at the situation with Sasuke and the mysterious person, and I thought It'd be hilarious if the person with the malice chakra is actually Jio Freed. 

 

I know that the mysterious person is somebody else, just wanted use that as a joke.  

[咲耶姫]

Both translations literally mean the same thing.

 

 

 

Probably Sakura. Jiraiya's line was like 「女心っちゅーもんがわかっとらの」, meaning "you don't understand anything of woman's heart". Obviously Kushina's line is connected to this one. I don't understand where Hinata comes in for this one?

There's a confusion because "insensitive" could be interpreted as "doesn't care about women's feelings", you know like a jerk. That's why I prefer "clueless", it's more unintentional. 

 

And the Hinata thing, well I already saw NH fans connected it because Naruto didn't get she was in love with him, other than that I don't see how they can connect it to Hinata, after all, Hinata is the easiest female character (in Narito) to understand. 

[LadyGT]

Both translations literally mean the same thing.
 
 
 
Probably Sakura. Jiraiya's line was like 「女心っちゅーもんがわかっとらの」, meaning "you don't understand anything of woman's heart". Obviously Kushina's line is connected to this one. I don't understand where Hinata comes in for this one?

Everything revolves around Hinata, Megi-san. She always has to be brought in somehow...

[咲耶姫]

Everything revolves around Hinata, Megi-san. She always has to be brought in somehow...

Well for once, I think she can be brought up, because I think that line was directed at women in general. He doesn't get Hinata's feelings for him before her love confession, he doesn't get Sakura's feelings/ moods and he's not very attentive towards other female characters like Tsunade by calling her baachan. 

[LadyGT]

Well for once, I think she can be brought up, because I think that line was directed at women in general. He doesn't get Hinata's feelings for him before her love confession, he doesn't get Sakura's feelings/ moods and he's not very attentive towards other female characters like Tsunade by calling her baachan. 

I'll be honest with you, when I read the chapter she didn't cross my mind even for a second.

[megi]

Well for once, I think she can be brought up, because I think that line was directed at women in general. He doesn't get Hinata's feelings for him before her love confession, he doesn't get Sakura's feelings/ moods and he's not very attentive towards other female characters like Tsunade by calling her baachan. 

He doesn't get Hinata feelings because he didn't know them, that is not the same as being insensitive. I don't think "baachan" would be a good example of Naruto being insensitive, given their relationship and closeness to each other, it may seem like an "insult" (and he might have used it as such at first, can't remember the scenes), but baachan is definitely out of endearment, in the way he views her.

[Atheck]

regarding the mysterious man, Karin just said that "his chakra is awfully unpleasant".... At this rate, I believe that it's Kabuto at 99%. He took all DNAs of Orochimaru,Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo. I don't know if he still have the Sennin powers (Oro just took them).

 

The only thing Orochimaru did was retake his chakra and cancel the transformation that Kabuto was using at the time. Kabuto's chakra supply may have taken a hit though (something that Karin's DNA would hopefully compensate for) and he can't use the various snake-based abilities that Oro is renowned for. Everything else that was injected should still be available for usage, including the knowledge on how to properly channel Ryuchidou's natural abilities. Kabuto could summon the snakes and have one fuse with him to provide natural energy since he technically has a contract with them. 

[咲耶姫]

He doesn't get Hinata feelings because he didn't know them, that is not the same as being insensitive. I don't think "baachan" would be a good example of Naruto being insensitive, given their relationship and closeness to each other, it may seem like an "insult" (and he might have used it as such at first, can't remember the scenes), but baachan is definitely out of endearment, in the way he views her.

I'm sorry; but what do you mean by "insensitive" do you mean not aware/understanding or doesn't care about? And the baachan, at first was an insult for Tsunade, I'm sure that Tsunade took it as an insult because he was implying she was old. I don't remember if it was in the manga, but I'm sure it was in the anime at least. 

 

To me it's clear that in this chapter, what was implied is that Naruto is not good at understanding women, and it was proved in many occasions in the manga with more characters than Sakura, I don't deny the fact Sakura was mainly aimed by this sentence, I just want to point that she was perhaps not the only one. 

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Darkest:

 

I wanted to clarify something about this whole Sakura sacrifice argument. I never said the act makes Sakura look like she's accepting she would be "useless to Naruto". I'm not particularly fond of this happening in the manga since I don't see a good reason for it, but I feel like Sakura wouldn't view that as "I'm useless" and "giving up". I think she'd accept a sacrifice if it meant Naruto would live and she'd probably give it some optimistic note to it like "At least he'll become Hokage." My point is Sakura would see it as her doing something for him like she always wanted, but it would be a last ditch effort.

 

There's no question Naruto would be devastated at her sacrifice and probably blame himself forever for her death. However, I don't think this will last when she's brought back. I don't think Kishimoto will do it anyway, but if he does Sakura will definitely be resurrected. We've listed multiple reasons why.

[KnS]

I'm sorry; but what do you mean by "insensitive" do you mean not aware/understanding or doesn't care about? And the baachan, at first was an insult for Tsunade, I'm sure that Tsunade took it as an insult because he was implying she was old. I don't remember if it was in the manga, but I'm sure it was in the anime at least. 

 

To me it's clear that in this chapter, what was implied is that Naruto is not good at understanding women, and it was proved in many occasions in the manga with more characters than Sakura, I don't deny the fact Sakura was mainly aimed by this sentence, I just want to point that she was perhaps not the only one. 

 

I understand what you're saying.  However, I think there is -- and there is supposed to be -- a difference between Naruto's lack of understanding and finesse in general, and the recurring theme that he doesn't understand a woman's heart.

 

Naruto does lack understanding about females other than Sakura, that's true.  But he also lacks understanding about men.  He lacks basic social skills altogether because he had no parenting.  Is calling Tsunade "baachan" any more disrespectful or classless than calling Jiraiya "Ero Sennin"?  Or calling Rock Lee "Fuzzy Brows"?

 

As I said in my previous post, the context is what counts.  The concept of not understanding a woman's heart is reserved for Naruto's direct interactions with Sakura, or between Minato and Kushina who are their relationship parallel.  

 

That said, Naruto does understand Sakura.  After all, he knew and understood her heart regarding Sasuke, and he poured his own love into making that happen for her.  Plus he knew she couldn't give up on Sasuke as easily as she said, and knew she was lying to herself about it.

 

Naruto is dense socially, but no character has a keener understanding of feelings and what really matters than Naruto.  He is a fool when it comes to the art of love, and that -- I believe -- is what Jiraiya meant.

[咲耶姫]

 

 

I understand what you're saying.  However, I think there is -- and there is supposed to be -- a difference between Naruto's lack of understanding and finesse in general, and the recurring theme that he doesn't understand a woman's heart.

 

Naruto does lack understanding about females other than Sakura, that's true.  But he also lacks understanding about men.  He lacks basic social skills altogether because he had no parenting.  Is calling Tsunade "baachan" any more disrespectful or classless than calling Jiraiya "Ero Sennin"?  Or calling Rock Lee "Fuzzy Brows"?

 

As I said in my previous post, the context is what counts.  The concept of not understanding a woman's heart is reserved for Naruto's direct interactions with Sakura, or between Minato and Kushina who are their relationship parallel.  

 

That said, Naruto does understand Sakura.  After all, he knew and understood her heart regarding Sasuke, and he poured his own love into making that happen for her.  Plus he knew she couldn't give up on Sasuke as easily as she said, and knew she was lying to herself about it.

 

Naruto is dense socially, but no character has a keener understanding of feelings and what really matters than Naruto.  He is a fool when it comes to the art of love, and that -- I believe -- is what Jiraiya meant.

 

Yes, I know you're right, but here we're talking about the translation of Kushina's sentence. "He will be clueless about women's heart"

I'm not talking about Naruto's personnality in general, I'm refering to this sentence. That's why I say he doesn't understand women's way of working. 

 

All I was saying at first, was that I think "clueless" sounds better than "insensitive" which has a more negative conotation. And I also think, that Kushina's sentence was a foreshadowing of Naruto's spirit about women in general "not understanding their way of working".

 

I really don't see what is bothering you with my interpretation.It's just, as it is called, an interpretation, and also, is it rezlly important?

[KnS]

Yes, I know you're right, but here we're talking about the translation of Kushina's sentence. "He will be clueless about women's heart"
I'm not talking about Naruto's personnality in general, I'm refering to this sentence. That's why I say he doesn't understand women's way of working. 
 
All I was saying at first, was that I think "clueless" sounds better than "insensitive" which has a more negative conotation. And I also think, that Kushina's sentence was a foreshadowing of Naruto's spirit about women in general "not understanding their way of working".
 
I really don't see what is bothering you with my interpretation.It's just, as it is called, an interpretation, and also, is it rezlly important?

No, your interpretation doesn't bother me, I just don't happen to agree. I don't believe that Kushina's flashback comment is meant to be about Naruto's understanding of women in general.

But that isn't meant as a personal attack in any way. This is a discussion board, and I was simply trying to offer a different interpretation.

Also, I thought you were the poster who had mention that Naruto's use of baachan was an example of his inability to understand women, so I addressed that in my interpretation. I must have mixed you up with someone else. My apologies. : (

[咲耶姫]

No, your interpretation doesn't bother me, I just don't happen to agree. I don't believe that Kushina's flashback comment is meant to be about Naruto's understanding of women in general.

But that isn't meant as a personal attack in any way. This is a discussion board, and I was simply trying to offer a different interpretation.

Also, I thought you were the poster who had mention that Naruto's use of baachan was an example of his inability to understand women, so I addressed that in my interpretation. I must have mixed you up with someone else. My apologies. : (

 

No, it was me indeed. But thinking twice, it's true that it's a bad example.

And don't worry, I understand your point. We just have to agree to disagree. And as I said it's not really important, it's just a little sentence in a chapter.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I absolutely knew you were going to quote me and say that because you hate the idea of Sakura being special to Naruto. But saying that her death will be nullified by Neji, and that she will be listed along Neji, Itachi, Pain is a bit too much even for you. There is something terribly wrong with categorizing Sakura, who has been his teammate and the love of his life, along with Neji, Itachi, or Pain. And I explained that above as well. You can try to claim how unimportant and unsignificant she is in the plot all you want (and I won't disagree her irrelevance to the plot), but saying that she will just be another additional death to Naruto without any major additional effect on him is only how wish it to be, not how it actually is.

If one of your other classmates died, and your parents died the next day, are those two deaths going to have the same effect on you? Or are you going to be more saddened by your parents death?

I do not hate the idea of she being special to Naruto on which she is, the problem is that Naruto going back and forth on this matter when he redeemed Obito by doing the opposite of Obito did.
If Naruto falls into a despair or thinks about giving up to the moon eye plan, he's an hipocrit hero who doesnt even follow the things he tells to the people.
Also i stand by the fact she will remain alongside those people because despite being the love of his life she would be one of the people who gave up their lives in order for him to succeed is my logic incorrect?
About Neji is that my point is that he already surpassed it, if she died like you claimed on your example, obviously he will suffer but it still unrelevant.
Because deaths on the manga, comes with development, what development woudl you have after the next day your parents die after a death of one of your best friends.
It just doesnt make sense for Kishi to make Naruto a liar and an hipocrit.

Everyone hated the fact on 615 that Naruto was going to give up, and he was redeemed because he forgot about the sacrifice of the people who believe on him on which he told Obito 10 chapters ago.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 February 2014 - 09:44 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You're making it sound like Hinata still has a shot to get Naruto.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You're making it sound like Hinata still has a shot to get Naruto.

Who?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Who?

The one with Chinese letters. I understand though, but what is there not to understand Hinata. It's done. Sakura change of feelings will be something that he won't understand when the time comes. But anyway, if I were to point finger, it would be at Sakura since she was the only one that got pointed out that Naruto didn't understand women. Other than that, I wouldn't go deep.

[咲耶姫]

The one with Chinese letters. I understand though, but what is there not to understand Hinata. It's done. Sakura change of feelings will be something that he won't understand when the time comes. But anyway, if I were to point finger, it would be at Sakura since she was the only one that got pointed out that Naruto didn't understand women. Other than that, I wouldn't go deep.

Wait a minute, what did I say about Hinata? I suggest you to reread my post and you'll see that you misunderstood it. 

I only said that NH fans were connecting this sentence to Hinata and that the only way it can be, is concerning her feelings that Naruto did't understand. I even said that it was the only way because Hinata was the easiest female character to understand. 

 

I really don't get why you said that? I almost haven't talk about Hinata.   

Edited by 咲耶姫, 16 February 2014 - 02:05 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wait a minute, what did I say about Hinata? I suggest you to reread my post and you'll see that you misunderstood it. 

Yeah, you're right. I was still sleepy since I woke up to see this. I skimmed quickly, so my apologies. I didn't look back until now. Sorry for that. It also don't help that I'm tired of one more chance for any other pairings not being presented right now. Not you, but those who is "hell bent" on it. I'm also not saying NS is canon, but it's pretty much spelling it now, just not done.

[咲耶姫]

Yeah, you're right. I was still sleepy since I woke up to see this. I skimmed quickly, so my apologies. I didn't look back until now. Sorry for that. It also don't help that I'm tired of one more chance for any other pairings not being presented right now. Not you, but those who is "hell bent" on it. I'm also not saying NS is canon, but it's pretty much spelling it now, just not done.

It's ok. 

I won't lie, to me NS is canon since chapter 631. And whatever anti can say, I won't change my mind, that's why I have no problem in considering that NH fans wan view Kushina's line as directed towards Hinata. That's the only hope they still have. Also I understand that they can view it like that. For once, it's not incoherent.