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[Mistraal]

NH's not exactly sunk, but they definitely got hit with a torpedo. I'd say they're on their last leg. The only thing that remains is the knockout punch to finish this pairing war.

Meh. I didn't really feel any pairing anything in this chapter.

Naruto hasn't ever regarded Hinata as anything more than a comrade. Ever. At All. Until that changes NH is a moot point imo.

[Hanabi]

The God Tree can be cut down by simple ninjutsu right? Or do you need Naruto's bijuu shield to have the power to cut it down?

 

What is stopping Onoki to destroy the God Tree from the air? If he's high enough, his Genkai Hakuri No Jutsu can swallow and destroy the God Tree.

 

If not, what about Katsuyu? Normal Katsuyu can spit acid that is enough to melt a huge rock as big as Manda (Regarding the Sannin Battle). Can't the 1/10 Katsuyu spit acid huge enough to melt the God Tree? 

I think the bigger problem is the sheer size of it all. Take a look at this page

1/10 Katsuyu and Shinju

Compare the size of 1/10 katsuyu and the shinju roots, then compare the size of normal shinobis to 1/10 katsuyu. (Those tiny figures nearer to katsuyu, those three in the chakra cloak doesnt count.)

 

The normal shinobis are as big as the dot in the exclamation mark compared to katsuyu..... Compared to the shinju they would be something like bacteria-size  (okay not that bad but u get the meaning)

 

Actually now that I think about it the alliance should have directed their combined attacks at one spot of the root to make it easier to uproot the tree.. But then again it is a god tree.. Maybe it's not so easy after all..

 

*Edit*

I kinda take back my words about people being bacteria size compared to shinju..... Coz it might be kinda true after all. Look at chapter 633 sakura and katsuyu 

Smaller Katsuyu with Sakura alone

Credit :http://www.chattesgo...tsu-connection/

Sakura is that small compared to normal katsuyu.... what about now lol..

Edited by Hanabi, 20 October 2013 - 10:50 AM.

[T XD]

I don't see how Katsuyu can kill the tree. She's very small compared to it and spitting acid won't do any good damage I think. Katsuyu will have to spit huge acids many times in a row to melt just a quarter part of the tree at max. The tree is so gigantic that it needs a powerful jutsu or technique, or some combined powerful attacks to destroy it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

People trying to overrate Katsuyu.

[ramenanmitsu]

 

I think the bigger problem is the sheer size of it all. Take a look at this page

1/10 Katsuyu and Shinju

Compare the size of 1/10 katsuyu and the shinju roots, then compare the size of normal shinobis to 1/10 katsuyu. (Those tiny figures nearer to katsuyu, those three in the chakra cloak doesnt count.)

 

The normal shinobis are as big as the dot in the exclamation mark compared to katsuyu..... Compared to the shinju they would be something like bacteria-size  (okay not that bad but u get the meaning)

 

Actually now that I think about it the alliance should have directed their combined attacks at one spot of the root to make it easier to uproot the tree.. But then again it is a god tree.. Maybe it's not so easy after all..

 

*Edit*

I kinda take back my words about people being bacteria size compared to shinju..... Coz it might be kinda true after all. Look at chapter 633 sakura and katsuyu 

Smaller Katsuyu with Sakura alone

Credit :http://www.chattesgo...tsu-connection/

Sakura is that small compared to normal katsuyu.... what about now lol..

 

Thanks! I forgot the size of the god tree itself. It does look huge!

 

But then what about Onoki's Jinton? His Jinton can destroy a turtle island right? Do you think it will be big enough to destroy a God Tree?

 

 

People trying to overrate Katsuyu.

Where? I don't see it. If it's aimed at me, I was asking a simple question because I forgot to check the size of the God Tree.

And do you have a problem with people asking questions on Katsuyu or Sakura?

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 20 October 2013 - 12:29 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

What do you think it's the next step in the next chapter? Like exactly what Naruto is going to do next? That is if Obito is done until his TnJ goes through.

[Hanabi]

Thanks! I forgot the size of the god tree itself. It does look huge!

 

But then what about Onoki's Jinton? His Jinton can destroy a turtle island right? Do you think it will be big enough to destroy a God Tree?

I don't remember much of his jutsu, but kabuto's snake overturned the Island not Onoki. And I don't think so. Onoki's so small compared to other shinobis, not that it matter when his attack is powerful but the shinju is just too huge..  Nagato's shinra tensei may be more helpful..

 

What do you think it's the next step in the next chapter? Like exactly what Naruto is going to do next? That is if Obito is done until his TnJ goes through.

Definitely TNJ. And maybe like what others on this site said Naruto may try the 'love' card after the 'friendship' card

 

Agreed it's just a big slug that can heal people, there is nothing special about it.

It's virtually indestructable. and it's the biggest of all summons lol.

Edited by Hanabi, 20 October 2013 - 01:12 PM.

[Nostradamus]

People trying to overrate Katsuyu.

Agreed it's just a big slug that can heal people, there is nothing special about it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

It's virtually indestructable. and it's the biggest of all summons lol.

Biggest doesnt mean strongest and "virtually indestructable" depends on the kind of jutsu she's capable absorb great impact and shinra tensei is a jutsu that does damaged based off on this type but she's capable of handling  a rasenshuriken? Amaterasu? Bijuu Dama? 

 

Also Katsuyu lacks mobility, she's only a support summon/defensive which helps on medical ninjutsu, Gamakichi is stronger than Katsuyu.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 October 2013 - 01:38 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If the preview is accurate for the next chapter, what do you guys think is "shocking truth?"

[ramenanmitsu]

@Hanabi

Guess there is a reason why Onoki can't use his Jinton to destroy the tree after all.

 

Agreed it's just a big slug that can heal people, there is nothing special about it.

I agree if you mean to say the same for Gamakichi which is a big toad that can use some ninjutsu, and Manda which is a big snake that can bite.

 

Biggest doesnt mean strongest and "virtually indestructable" depends on the kind of jutsu she's capable absorb great impact and shinra tensei is a jutsu that does damaged based off on this type but she's capable of handling  a rasenshuriken? Amaterasu? Bijuu Dama? 

 

Also Katsuyu lacks mobility, she's only a support summon/defensive which helps on medical ninjutsu, Gamakichi is stronger than Katsuyu.

No where did Hanabi say that biggest=strongest. You connected that yourself.

 

Also, I can say the same thing for Gamakichi. Is he capable of handling a rasenshuriken? Amaterasu? Bijuu Drama?

 

Katsuyu may lack the mobility but she has strong defensive skills which permits her to bunshin into many several parts/turn herself into liquid. This makes a lot of attacks against her meaningless. Hence people think she is "nearly" invincible. (I know she won't be able to handle Onoki's Jinton.) Gamakichi has mobility, whereas Katsuyu has the near unbeatable physical attributes, and the ability to attack from many directions when she bunshins herself. So I'd say they are both strong in their own ways. 

 

I'm not saying that Katsuyu>Gamakichi, or Gamakichi>Katsuyu to make sure. And I'm sorry if I offended you or somebody else by making it sound like Sakura's summoned animal is stronger than Naruto's summoned animal. But that isn't really my intention.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 20 October 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

@Hanabi

Guess there is a reason why Onoki can't use his Jinton to destroy the tree after all.

 

 

I agree if you mean to say the same for Gamakichi which is a big toad that can use some ninjutsu, and Manda which is a big snake that can bite.

 

No where did Hanabi say that biggest=strongest. You connected that yourself.

 

Also, I can say the same thing for Gamakichi. Is he capable of handling a rasenshuriken? Amaterasu? Bijuu Drama?

 

Katsuyu may lack the mobility but she has strong defensive skills which permits her to bunshin into many several parts/turn herself into liquid. This makes a lot of attacks against her meaningless. Hence people think she is "nearly" invincible. (I know she won't be able to handle Onoki's Jinton.) Gamakichi has mobility, whereas Katsuyu has the near unbeatable physical attributes, and the ability to attack from many directions when she bunshins herself. So I'd say they are both strong in their own ways. 

 

I'm not saying that Katsuyu>Gamakichi, or Gamakichi>Katsuyu to make sure. And I'm sorry if I offended you or somebody else by making it sound like Sakura's summoned animal is stronger than Naruto's summoned animal. But that isn't really my intention.

 

He has mobility that allows him to dodge it, Katsuyu lacks it and most importantly she needs someome to make her turn into liquid, Gamakichi can handle all this by himself, Katsuyu serves more as a medium and an amplifier of their jutsus, she's not a common summon animal like Gamakichi, Manda and others, she need a third partner giving her chakra and using jutsus.

Katsuyu doenst have any use as an offensive summon, she's mostly used to amplify either Sakura's or Tsunade's healing skills and nothing else more.

 

Katsuyu can divide herself to dodge attacks but amateratsu it depends on the ammount it's used and RasenShuriken even if she divides herself it will get her even if she turns herself into liquid. 

Gamakichi can jump really high which allows him to dodge amost all the attacks plus the fact he can use senjutsu without the need of Naruto giving him chakra.
I just believe people are indeed overrating Katsuyu, she's a strong defensive/support but nothing else more than that, she cant do much things offensively speaking off, and her spitting acid is not this strong.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 October 2013 - 03:25 PM.

[StriderC]

Uhhhh, you're obviously overrating the toad and underrating the slug. Until now, her defensive capabilities have been quite amazing. She seems to have the best defense out of the summons.
Another thing Iove is how one tries to downplay acid... that big ass slug shooting acid isn't something that should be overlooked in the slightest and its not even hinted that she needs her summoners chakra to even shoot it. Another thing. How do you think the toad or the snake gets on the field? And what do they do when theyre summoned? They ALL act as a support for their summoner. Defensively, offensively. It doesn't matter.

The damn snake evaded being constricted to death by Manda. I bet the frog couldn't weasel out of that. It took on an Almighty Push and suffered no damages. Bet the toad and the snake could fail there. She has her pros and cons just like the damn snake and toad.

[Chatte]

I wouldn't say she lacks mobility. She was pretty fast in Pein arc...

Plus, she melted by herself into liquid. Tsunade and Sakura just summoned her and trasnmitted the chakra to her.
In defensive capabilities, she's above all. Shinra tensei did nothing to her while the toads got all cracked-up...

Edited by Chatte, 20 October 2013 - 03:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Slugs are great in defense and it probably has one attack that does look effective but it's like medic from TF2. Yes, I said it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Uhhhh, you're obviously overrating the toad and underrating the slug. Until now, her defensive capabilities have been quite amazing. She seems to have the best defense out of the summons.
Another thing Iove is how one tries to downplay acid... that big ass slug shooting acid isn't something that should be overlooked in the slightest and its not even hinted that she needs her summoners chakra to even shoot it. Another thing. How do you think the toad or the snake gets on the field? And what do they do when theyre summoned? They ALL act as a support for their summoner. Defensively, offensively. It doesn't matter.

The damn snake evaded being constricted to death by Manda. I bet the frog couldn't weasel out of that. It took on an Almighty Push and suffered no damages. Bet the toad and the snake could fail there. She has her pros and cons just like the damn snake and toad.

The only features she showed off how this is underrated when i didnt underated any of her defensive capabilities.
Just look at Jiraiya/Tsunade vs Orochimaru fight which shows perfectly what she does in a fight, she's a support and she supported Jiraiya there.

 

Didnt even bring up this you're making this assumption by yourself.

The only abilities that she required a summoner was remote healing and turning into liquid which heals, and the next attaching her to other people to make use of a shield but also waste chakra from the summoner, Tsunade's jutsu at Pain's arc.

This not downplaying, overrated is ppl saying "wow she's invencible and so on.." i'm being realistic, she's not a summon like the others.

 

Second Last bolded.

 

Really???

 

Pros and cons, Katuyu has no offensive capabilities, and you say "offensive/defensive" doesnt matter, aside from the fact that thanks to Gamakichi, Naruto found out Obito's weakness using his own senjutsu without the summoner chakra.

Katsuyu took the damage of the shinra tensei but at the expense of Tsunade's chakra, because she had to protect the villagers.

In other words, Gamakichi is a better summon than Katsuyu when fighting against an opponent(he cant heal neither protect obviously), Katsuyu is a supporter but relies on the summoner chakra to heal(she doesnt use her own chakra to heal) and do most of her job, which makes her on a different level of summon, she's not like Manda or Gamakichi she's rather an amplifier to medical ninja techniques, she's not the type of summon which is used to be fighting  but rather to protect and offer medical assistence.

She's more like an extension to medical ninja techniques than a proper summon.

 

Pain's arc and Jiraiya/Tsunade fight against Orochimaru and this arc shows it all.

and this is not underating.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 October 2013 - 04:36 PM.

[Chatte]

Actually, all that Katsuyu did was channel the chakra, not use it for defense. Otherwise, she wouln't have made it through the CHibaku tensei. Katsuyu's defensive capabilities have nothing to do with Tsunade.
Katsuyu is linked only in regards to healing, not in other regards such as the acid, her own healing, defensive capabilities and turning herself into liquid. That's all Katsuyu's job.
Sakura and Tsunade just provide a more improved healing capability via her.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Actually, all that Katsuyu did was channel the chakra, not use it for defense. Otherwise, she wouln't have made it through the CHibaku tensei. Katsuyu's defensive capabilities have nothing to do with Tsunade.
Katsuyu is linked only in regards to healing, not in other regards such as the acid, her own healing, defensive capabilities and turning herself into liquid. That's all Katsuyu's job.
Sakura and Tsunade just provide a more improved healing capability via her.

That's the deal, she was summoned to protect the villages and to serve as a shield she had to waste a lot of chakra and it's so true that even after the shinra tensei (chibaku is the small dense black dot that attracts objective with gravity i think) Tsunade had no chakra to fight against Pain, 

Never see her using her own healing on the series, she is always linked though the byakugou seal, Sakura had to remain focused on her healing technique all the time just like she's doing right now, and even then if she had her own healing, she would have cured Naruto by herself during the Jiraiya/Orochimaru fight instead of giving Naruto to Shizune.

Katusyu can turn herself into liquid but yet need the summoner chakra to do it's job which is "healing".

Sakura and Tsunade are using Katsuyu to heal them remotely because healing remotely which is show with Kabuto waste way more chakra and Sakura cant do it.(4 tails arc).

 

Quotes:

 

"Katsuyu's clones can attach themselves to injured people, allowing its summoner to channel their chakra through it to heal the injured person."

"Katsuyu has also noted that its power is directly tied in to that of its summoner and their seal. For that reason, when Tsunade summoned the slug in her weakened condition during the Fourth Shinobi World War, the healing proceeded slowly, as not only was Katsuyu multi-tasking but Tsunade's reserves were extremely low."

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 October 2013 - 04:49 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Thanks! I forgot the size of the god tree itself. It does look huge!

 

But then what about Onoki's Jinton? His Jinton can destroy a turtle island right? Do you think it will be big enough to destroy a God Tree?

 

 

Where? I don't see it. If it's aimed at me, I was asking a simple question because I forgot to check the size of the God Tree.

And do you have a problem with people asking questions on Katsuyu or Sakura?

 

The tree is probably just as huge as the Earth Blade from Ryu Knight.  No matter how away far you are you can still see it to a degree.

 

If the preview is accurate for the next chapter, what do you guys think is "shocking truth?"

 

The genjutsu Infinite Tsukuyomi doesn't do what I promised you, Obito.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
The tree is probably just as huge as the Earth Blade from Ryu Knight.  No matter how away far you are you can still see it to a degree.
 
 
The genjutsu Infinite Tsukuyomi doesn't do what I promised you, Obito.

You know, I joked about this one, but if that happens, ouch. Just ouch.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 20 October 2013 - 05:58 PM.