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#381 Paptala

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:07 PM

I just wanted to comment about Kushina "giving up" her dream of Hokage for Minato.  In chatper 498, Kushina says, "Since I was the new kid, I wanted to make an impression on the first day of academy lessons. So when they asked me what my dream for the future was, I said "I'm gonna be the first female Hokage!"

 

This makes pretty clear that Kushina never actually wanted to be Hokage, she just said that because she wanted to "make an impression" on her school mates since she was "the new kid".  So if Minato actually wanted the position, and Kushina was just saying it to make an impression, I can easily see why Minato was the one who actaully ended up as Hokage in the end and why Kushina supported him in that endeavor instead of pursuing it herself.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:09 PM

It's out this Tuesday, right?

 

Yes.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:10 PM

I just wanted to comment about Kushina "giving up" her dream of Hokage for Minato.  In chatper 498, Kushina says, "Since I was the new kid, I wanted to make an impression on the first day of academy lessons. So when they asked me what my dream for the future was, I said "I'm gonna be the first female Hokage!"
 
This makes pretty clear that Kushina never actually wanted to be Hokage, she just said that because she wanted to "make an impression" on her school mates since she was "the new kid".  So if Minato actually wanted the position, and Kushina was just saying it to make an impression, I can easily see why Minato was the one who actaully ended up as Hokage in the end and why Kushina supported him in that endeavor instead of pursuing it herself.

This I can agree. At least she draw him out to say it with pride, though that time she thought he was a moron to think he can do it. For the record, I don't know the topic going on here, but I would add that Kushina wants Naruto to be more in line with Minato with dreams and all, rather than hers since she didn't do that well in school and training or something like that. Don't know the topic but if it's about giving up for Naruto, then give up. Lol.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:12 PM

I just wanted to comment about Kushina "giving up" her dream of Hokage for Minato.  In chatper 498, Kushina says, "Since I was the new kid, I wanted to make an impression on the first day of academy lessons. So when they asked me what my dream for the future was, I said "I'm gonna be the first female Hokage!"

 

This makes pretty clear that Kushina never actually wanted to be Hokage, she just said that because she wanted to "make an impression" on her school mates since she was "the new kid".  So if Minato actually wanted the position, and Kushina was just saying it to make an impression, I can easily see why Minato was the one who actaully ended up as Hokage in the end and why Kushina supported him in that endeavor instead of pursuing it herself.

I agree with you but i cant forget to point out that she was the one who told Naruto when he was a baby that he has to find a dream to pursue and never give up.

 

 

This I can agree. At least she draw him out to say it with pride, though that time she thought he was a moron to think he can do it. For the record, I don't know the topic going on here, but I would add that Kushina wants Naruto to be more in line with Minato with dreams and all, rather than hers since she didn't do that well in school and training or something like that. Don't know the topic but if it's about giving up for Naruto, then give up. Lol.

 

The topic is that if Sakura after marrying Naruto, she would continue perfoming ninja missions or she will work with him on the kage's office.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:16 PM

I agree with you but i cant forget to point out that she was the one who told Naruto when he was a baby that he has to find a dream to pursue and never give up.
 
 
The topic is that if Sakura after marrying Naruto, she would continue perfoming ninja missions or she will work with him on the kage's office.

Oh. I can't really say.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:41 PM

Because it would mean her development is not finished and moreover what she has to gain on still perfoming missions by herself?

If she's happy like Kushina and her development is finished, she would be happy, second she would already acknowledged herself as a strong ninja(because of Naruto), third she was basically trained the entire part 2 to be a hokage's assistant pratically.
And she cant be either Naruto's assistant or a housewive because if she doesnt continue being a ninja and working or missions would be like throwing all the development on terms of ninja on a trash cant, when Kushina let go her dream to be kage and be the strongest kunoichi of the leaf because she was happy and Sakura doesnt even  has a dream when it comes to be the strongest shinobi or surpass her master or even be hokage, the only dream that Sakura has is to support Naruto and help him to fullfill his dreams.

 

And on my opinion Naruto and Sakura running the village is way better than Naruto working alone on the kage's office and Sakura working on the hospital and/or perfoming ninja missions by herself.

 

The manga presented that couples always work together.

 

 

Except we never saw Kushina working with Minato, in fact she was essentially hidden because of her Jinchurikki status, and because of Minato's enemies.

 

If Naruto and Sakura work together while he's Hokage, that's fine, but she should be employed as an assistant/adviser to the Hokage, she should not be given that position because she's the Hokage's significant other.  That would be ridiculous.

 

The notion that her development would be complete only if she retires from active duty is ridiculous, her development was just as much about not needing to rely on men to gain her strength.  She's been acknowledged by Naruto, she's let him know she doesn't want him to hold her back.  There's nothing in the manga that indicates that retiring and staying the kitchen, becoming an adjunct to Naruto is a part of her development.  In fact, a major reason Kishi has portrayed SS as negatively is because of the fact that her feelings for Sasuke resulted in her refusal to prioritize herself and her development.  While Sakura's development is somewhat team 7 centric, while it often seems as if she's an afterthought, Sakura was never meant to merely be an extension of Naruto, if anything based on the way it's written, a major reason NS is portrayed as better than SS is because Sakura can be herself, can embrace her talents with Naruto in a way she could not with Sasuke (because Sasuke needs people who are useful to him).

 

Sakura is already the 2nd best medic in the world, by the end of the manga she'll either be the best medic in the world (or at the very least on her way to becoming the best medic in the world), when that's the case you really think it makes sense that Sakura will retire, that she won't be conducting research all over the world to advance techniques, that she won't be a medic sought out to save lives, give psychiatric treatment, to help organize procedures, to teach the best of best rising medics in nearly every single village?  Yes, Tsunade didn't do these things (as far as we know), but the world after the 4th War will be different then the one before, more peaceful, more cohesive; Sakura might take some time off while she and Naruto are breeding (maternity leave is important), but other than that, based on the actual manga, based on how Sakura has been written, based on her drive, her personality, there's no reason to assume that she'll retire and become an adjunct of Sakura.

 

Anyway, I'm moving on from this debate.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:59 PM

 

 

Except we never saw Kushina working with Minato, in fact she was essentially hidden because of her Jinchurikki status, and because of Minato's enemies.

 

If Naruto and Sakura work together while he's Hokage, that's fine, but she should be employed as an assistant/adviser to the Hokage, she should not be given that position because she's the Hokage's significant other.  That would be ridiculous.

 

The notion that her development would be complete only if she retires from active duty is ridiculous, her development was just as much about not needing to rely on men to gain her strength.  She's been acknowledged by Naruto, she's let him know she doesn't want him to hold her back.  There's nothing in the manga that indicates that retiring and staying the kitchen, becoming an adjunct to Naruto is a part of her development.  In fact, a major reason Kishi has portrayed SS as negatively is because of the fact that her feelings for Sasuke resulted in her refusal to prioritize herself and her development.  While Sakura's development is somewhat team 7 centric, while it often seems as if she's an afterthought, Sakura was never meant to merely be an extension of Naruto, if anything based on the way it's written, a major reason NS is portrayed as better than SS is because Sakura can be herself, can embrace her talents with Naruto in a way she could not with Sasuke (because Sasuke needs people who are useful to him).

 

Sakura is already the 2nd best medic in the world, by the end of the manga she'll either be the best medic in the world (or at the very least on her way to becoming the best medic in the world), when that's the case you really think it makes sense that Sakura will retire, that she won't be conducting research all over the world to advance techniques, that she won't be a medic sought out to save lives, give psychiatric treatment, to help organize procedures, to teach the best of best rising medics in nearly every single village?  Yes, Tsunade didn't do these things (as far as we know), but the world after the 4th War will be different then the one before, more peaceful, more cohesive; Sakura might take some time off while she and Naruto are breeding (maternity leave is important), but other than that, based on the actual manga, based on how Sakura has been written, based on her drive, her personality, there's no reason to assume that she'll retire and become an adjunct of Sakura.

 

Anyway, I'm moving on from this debate.

You talk like their world function as our current world.

there's no such thing as employee the only thing that change is their function on the general they are all ninjas, but the function is what keep being changed.

Some does mission, other works on the hospital, some does administrative tasks but in the end they are all ninjas who fight.

 

I never said she would retire and also being a housewive, she will still be a ninja.

 

So what's the point?

The point is that she wont do any missions because so far there are no reasons for her to perform missions anymore, working with Naruto makes sense with how kishi write Sakura on her determination to be at his side and to share his burdens and his taks like even her skills who help Naruto to fight better since she will care about protecting his friends.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 08:47 PM

Lol All medical nin don't fight good sir, and there are ninja that have purposes outside of that. We have the sensors, scouts, and such. Some may be special cases and are able to defend/fight like Sakura, Tsunade and such but there are those that can't.


As for the whole housewife situation. I think Sakura would be a mother of she did have a child BUT I don't see her being a housewife outside of the time the child can do for himself. I think she'd have some big role within the village and passing on the knowledge she has gained to the new generation. IMO she's not type cleaning type. Lmao look at her in RtN. She was messy as hell!! Of course, she can learn to be more tidy, but she belongs on the field to me.


As many have stated with Kushina, its possible she wouldn't of been a housewife if she were alive. It's hard to say what she was while she was pregnant because she was pregnant... if Naruto were 4 or something and able to travel and she stayed home then, she'd be considered a housewife but to go off of this while she's pregnant isn't really good because she can't what the ninja did.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

Darkerest, you seem to be modifying your position as we debate, first you indicated that you felt Sakura would retire/become a housewife and that if that didn't happen her development would be incomplete, now you've seemingly changed your position to say that she's be working with Naruto (and I'm not saying that that was done purposefully, it's entirely possible that you're still forming your position?).  You know what though, you're right, I agree Sakura will be working with Naruto in some major capacity.  How can she not?  By the end of the manga she'll become one of (if not the) greatest combat medical ninja ever, she's a member of Team 7, someone who has been with Naruto for their entire duration as ninja (other than a couple years when they both focused on training), and it's obvious considering Kishi has established that Shikamaru will be one of Naruto's primary advisers, and Kishi has worked to establish that Sakura and Shikamaru have a good working relationship (indicating that they'll be working together closely).  So yes, Sakura will work closely with Naruto, all the K11 will work closely with Naruto --they'll be among the best the village has to offer, and to add to that they're relatively close to him.  But that doesn't mean that Sakura will stop working in her field, that she'll stop bettering herself as a combat medical nin (after all, the Hokage and hero of the world will need the best by her side), if she did that then she'd be surpassed, and she'd be replaced.  Do we expect Shikamaru to ignore his duties as the head of the Nara clan or in terms of his working relationship with Ino and Choji because of his role as Naruto's right hand man?  I doubt it, so why would we expect that Sakura would do that, and settle as nothing more than adjunct of Naruto, unless we're refusing to acknowledge that Sakura is an individual in her own right and not just Naruto's love interest?  As to solo missions, let's assume there's an accident somewhere, maybe in Suna, and top medics are required because of the number of injuries and because of who is injured (civilians, children), in that situation do you really expect that Sakura will not be sent to help because Naruto can't make it himself?  Do you think Naruto would be that selfish, or that if he were, that Sakura would stand for it?  Yes, her "function" will partially be to aid/help Naruto, but that's because she'll be qualified enough to be employed in such a manner, but if she doesn't improve herself, keep up with her credentials than someone else will become more qualified to do so (and that's not based on our world, that's based on their world, from Kakashi to Tsunade we've seen that all ninja are continuously working to improve their skill-set).

 

Lastly, it's pretty pointless to try to base how Sakura might act based on assumption of how Kushina acted.  As already mentioned, we don't know what Kushina's decisions actually were (we don't even know how widespread knowledge of Kushina and Minato's relationship was), but besides that there are a couple points to consider.  Kushina, though similar to Sakura's personality, had a very different history.  Unlike Sakura who lives in Konoha (as far as we know, her birth village) with her parents, Kushina did not.  She was brought to Konoha (probably lived with some Senju, though it's not confirmed), was taken from her family and had to form a new family.  It's actually possible that based on her history, she'd be more willing to retire as a ninja for the sake of raising a family.  She didn't grow up with a family, it's possible that she'd have a different view on professional vs. personal life (heck, even when we met her she focused on her "family" and gave very little importance as to who she was as a ninja).  Another important aspect is that I assume that a partial motivation to try to analyze what Kushina's decisions and role might have been is because of the parallel between NS and MK and between Sakura and Kushina, but this approach doesn't make sense.  For one thing, Sakura doesn't parallel Kushina, just like NS doesn't parallel MK --it's the other way around.  Kushina was developed in such a way that she'd have a similar personality to Naruto, and also so that she would have a similar personality to Sakura.  In other words, Kushina is a less complex, less nuanced version of Sakura, just like MK is a less complex, less nuanced version of NS.  We don't know much about Kushina as a ninja, we know that her fighting personality was similar to Naruto's (based on what Tsunade said), but we still don't know what kind of fighter she was, what sort of jutsu she used (other than chakra chains).  We don't know if she was primarily a defensive or offensive fighter, we don't know how important being a ninja was to Kushina, we don't know how much pride she took in terms of her abilities.  Why is that important?  Because we have all of that information when it comes to Sakura, we know how much pride she has in terms of being a ninja, a combat medical ninja, we know how important her professional life is to her, we know that she doesn't want to be left behind.  The fact that Kushina and MK parallel Sakura and NS is important in terms of analysis to some degree, but it's important that we keep in mind that Kushina and MK parallel Sakura and NS as opposed to the other way around, because it's important to remember that Kushina and MK are based off of Sakura and NS.  Kushina is an incomplete character, Sakura is not, Sakura is a primary character (even if it's easy to forget that at times).  How Sakura acts, will be based on her personality, it won't be based on someone else's personality.

 

Anyway, that's all I have to say, I'm out of this debate for real this time (until we have more information to go by).



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:35 PM

While we're in the subject of the following subjects: Did Kushina "retire" when she's pregnant with Naruto and what role Sakura will have when she get towards that event, I'm going to give some examples of a couple of ladies from other media who actually were in danger while pregnant and manage to survive (and kicked ass at the same time!)

 

First one is Piper Halliwell from Charmed.

 

She was pregnant with her first child in the fifth season of the series, however, when the demons tried to attack her and her sisters, Piper lost her confidence, because the pregnancy and hormones were messing up her powers. (Not to mention her sister Phoebe was transformed into a mermaid so she can get rid of her relationship with Cole). So because of the issue, she cast a spell on herself to boost her confidence (and her sarcasm) to fight the demons, which resulted of her getting kidnapped, tortured and almost lost her baby after a stab, sort of in the stomach and getting drowned (if it weren't for baby Wyatt's Whitelighter powers to heal himself).

 

Another example is from one of my favorite fighting series, Tekken!

 

Jun Kazama got herself pregnant by Kazuya Mishima who went big baddie in Tekken 2. After being "killed off" via sent to a volcano by his father, Heihachi, the Devil that was inside Kazuya, went out to in search for a new vessel, which was the baby in Jun that was soon to be known as Jin. Well, Jun didn't take that one bit and kicked Devil's ass, while being pregnant!!!

 

So obviously, I can see Sakura in a sort of similar predicament (if she is only around by a couple months) in the future. Just as long she's not near pregnancy like 7-8 months and is in the middle of the battlefield. And I don't want her to become exactly what had happened to Chi-Chi from the Dragonball series, from going to become action girl to suddenly after having Gohan, she became the typical Shonen mother.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:58 AM

So chapter is tommorrow? (tuesday)


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:09 AM

^Yes, 450 is coming out tommorow.

This I can agree. At least she draw him out to say it with pride, though that time she thought he was a moron to think he can do it. For the record, I don't know the topic going on here, but I would add that Kushina wants Naruto to be more in line with Minato with dreams and all, rather than hers since she didn't do that well in school and training or something like that. Don't know the topic but if it's about giving up for Naruto, then give up. Lol.

I agree with you but i cant forget to point out that she was the one who told Naruto when he was a baby that he has to find a dream to pursue and never give up.

My point didn't have anything to do with Naruto giving up his dreams -  I simply wanted to address the notion that Kushina "giving up" her dream of being Hokage for Minato to pursue his dream of Hokage didn't come off as "girls must give up their dreams/careers to support their husbands" to me.  As I understood it, Kushina never actaully wanted the position, she just said she did to make an impression.  Therefore, Kushina didn't really seem to actually want the position of Hokage, and Minato did, so it was natural to me that it was Minato who ended up with the position and that Kushina supported him in that pursuit.

 

While we're in the subject of the following subjects: Did Kushina "retire" when she's pregnant with Naruto and what role Sakura will have when she get towards that event.

There's no evidence to suggest one way or another whether Kushina retired once she got pregnant, since she died the day she gave birth and no one mentioned anything about it.  Going by Kushina's personality, I don't think that she would have.  I think she would likely have taken off time until Naruto was a little older maybe (as in, old enough to go to the academy), and after getting restless, gone back into active ninja duty.

 

But again, that's just my opinion, and there's really nothing canon to support it (again, unless you count RtN, which was different circmstances).

 

As far as Sakura goes, I could see something similar.  I could see her working at the hospital or leading her own genin team after their child(ren) got a bit older, and then taking the occasional mission outside whenever the urge arose or if her skill set was specifically needed somewhere (though I could see Naruto being a bit reluctant to send her on any dangerous missions, he would either swallow it down or Sakura would remind him she's a capable professional in her own right).  I would imagine that she would be called upon by Shikamaru or his other advisors to make sure Naruto was doing all of his paperwork, etc. since Sakura is the best one to keep him in line.  I could also see Naruto going to her for extra advice on matters, especially if he was torn over something.

 

Of course, despite however busy their schedules might get, unless one of them was away from the village, they would always make time to have meals together as a family, including lunch in the middle of the day.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:25 AM

^Yes, 450 is coming out tommorow.

My point didn't have anything to do with Naruto giving up his dreams -  I simply wanted to address the notion that Kushina "giving up" her dream of being Hokage for Minato to pursue his dream of Hokage didn't come off as "girls must give up their dreams/careers to support their husbands" to me.  As I understood it, Kushina never actaully wanted the position, she just said she did to make an impression.  Therefore, Kushina didn't really seem to actually want the position of Hokage, and Minato did, so it was natural to me that it was Minato who ended up with the position and that Kushina supported him in that pursuit.

 

There's no evidence to suggest one way or another whether Kushina retired once she got pregnant, since she died the day she gave birth and no one mentioned anything about it.  Going by Kushina's personality, I don't think that she would have.  I think she would likely have taken off time until Naruto was a little older maybe (as in, old enough to go to the academy), and after getting restless, gone back into active ninja duty.

 

But again, that's just my opinion, and there's really nothing canon to support it (again, unless you count RtN, which was different circmstances).

 

As far as Sakura goes, I could see something similar.  I could see her working at the hospital or leading her own genin team after their child(ren) got a bit older, and then taking the occasional mission outside whenever the urge arose or if her skill set was specifically needed somewhere (though I could see Naruto being a bit reluctant to send her on any dangerous missions, he would either swallow it down or Sakura would remind him she's a capable professional in her own right).  I would imagine that she would be called upon by Shikamaru or his other advisors to make sure Naruto was doing all of his paperwork, etc. since Sakura is the best one to keep him in line.  I could also see Naruto going to her for extra advice on matters, especially if he was torn over something.

 

Of course, despite however busy their schedules might get, unless one of them was away from the village, they would always make time to have meals together as a family, including lunch in the middle of the day.

I believe that their schedules are literally going to be the same due to Sakura's position and how she's familiar with the kage's office, i just dont believe people saying "she has to keep Naruto in line on the kage's office" like he's an incompetent hokage who needs help all the time.

Ofc Naruto would need help but Sakura is not meant to do Naruto's job but her own job at the kage's office, which varies from collecting reports, send messengers, organize the missions, form future teams it's already a tiring task.

 

And how Sakura was trained as more an assistant than someome who works doing missions on her own and working on a hospital.

I strongly believe she's meant to run the leaf village together along with Naruto than having her own separate schedule.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:30 AM

Kiba mom has two children and still kick ass in her duty.
I think she's so wild to the point her husband run away.
Kiba mom is hilarious lol.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:39 AM

Kiba mom has two children and still kick ass in her duty.
I think she's so wild to the point her husband run away.
Kiba mom is hilarious lol.

We never saw her doing missions on her own she was protecting the village like every other ninja but she could very well even if doing missions together with her husband.

But anyway i think this already got really off-topic.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 11:42 AM

@darkrest
I agree

Something big will happen since kishi like number 0 or 5

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

@darkrest
I agree

Something big will happen since kishi like number 0 or 5

I hope that next chapter will be fight oriented, i'm tired of TnJ every chapter.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:49 PM

I believe that their schedules are literally going to be the same due to Sakura's position and how she's familiar with the kage's office, i just dont believe people saying "she has to keep Naruto in line on the kage's office" like he's an incompetent hokage who needs help all the time.

Ofc Naruto would need help but Sakura is not meant to do Naruto's job but her own job at the kage's office, which varies from collecting reports, send messengers, organize the missions, form future teams it's already a tiring task.

 

And how Sakura was trained as more an assistant than someome who works doing missions on her own and working on a hospital.

I strongly believe she's meant to run the leaf village together along with Naruto than having her own separate schedule.

Sakura hasn't been shown to be anymore familiar with the kage's office than Naruto has.  She reports to Tsunade there just as every other shinobi does.

 

I'm not saying Naruto is going to be an "incompetent Hokage who needs help all the time" at all - I just think Naruto is a very active person and I don't see him being very diligent or good with paperwork (recall how much he detested the paper test in the first part of the chuunin exams).  Naruto is simply a more hands on person.  Much like Tsunade who had to be bugged into doing her paperwork by Shizune - that didn't make her an incompetent hokage, it just gave her (a rather comedic) flaws as every half-decent character has.  I think Shikamaru would find it too troublesome to nag Naruto to do his paperwork, and Sakura would excel at making Naruto do the side duties of the position that Naruto would not be so fond of/try to put off doing.

 

I think he would be able to do the major parts of being a hokage quite well on his own - protecting his people, looking out for their best interests, fostering friendly relations with other nations, etc.  Empathy is a very important skill for leaders to have, and this is probably one of Naruto's strongest traits.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:05 PM

Unless Sakura constantly kisses him and tells him to do his best.......  :D

 

Anyway if the chapter comes out tomorrow, All the better for me.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:02 PM

うん!持ち直した!

Yes! He's recovered!

 

I don't know what mangastream's translation was, but that is the translation.

 

And, yes I think this volume ends around December. I think that's also around the time official Naruto 67 volume will come out, although I haven't seen any dates yet.

Thanks for telling :)

 

mangastream made sai said 'yup, we're tired of waiting'


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