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[Codus N]

Reading all these posts makes me feel like I'm probably a weirdo.

I thought we should be celebrating....seems like I'm the only one.
Hinata FINALLY got a resolution. This means that we don't have to wait until the end of the manga for NH to be over.
Hinata can move over from Naruto, now that she's holding his hand and standing next to him.
Remember she said she will stop chasing him?

Which ALSO means that we don't have to wait until the very end of the manga to get our NS to be canon.

Probably in a few chapters the whole alliance will stand and make one line or a big circle by holding hands with each other as a sign that they will fight as one, one for whole. And some people will probably feel embarrassed of taking this "hand holdings" so seriously in the first place.

And btw, if you're going to reply to this post with a negative "OMFG YOU'RE DENIAL" then don't even bother replying at all. Because, I will only end up disagreeing with people who weren't really NS fans to begin with.

I just wanna clear something with you. Do you, at least acknowledge, this chapter has hinted the possibility of NH becoming canon??

Edited by Codus N, 27 December 2012 - 01:50 PM.

[TheClover]

Er... I think this is not giving up. We (and by that I don't mean me) are reacting as anyone would. NS always had much more development than any other pairing, and yet, within 2 chapters all the sacrifice and bonding Sakura had for and with Naruto is glossed over in Naruto's eyes by Hinata's because she was there when he got hit by the cluebat?
But I don't find anyone reacting badly. Everyone is making the obligatory claim that they still love NS in almost each post.
I find that automatically understood. Nobody is giving up on liking NS, but they are undeniably disappointed, and for very good reason.
As for NH, I've seen NHers giving up on their ships openly.... but then I could see their POV as well.
In the end it (shipping and related stuff) is all fun, and not to be taken too seriously. 'cause I simply would not like my happiness to be based on whims, and not very well planned out at that of one man. Someday I might, but that is what marriage is all about

Really? It seemed to me, though, that some people decided that there was no hope left for NS. Not that they didn't like it, but felt that it didn't have a chance anymore due to this single chapter. Maybe I just got the wrong impression.

And I don't think that it was "glossed over", it was more like Naruto was just being...Naruto. He's too nice to just push Hinata away, especially after she does something like that. Again, Naruto being Naruto, we can't be certain that he's returning her feelings, either.

[Chucky-kun]

Weren't we all talking about how hinata s development would soon come to an end in the 614 thread? Sure, it's a little flashy and the teases are contraversional, but seriously, meh. I ain't giving up on kishi and I ain't giving up on this ship.

[T XD]

The fact that is happening with Hinata and Naruto now, means that there won't be NH.

When a protagonist is fulfilling something that resides in the view of a side character who's interested in the protagonist and before the manga is far away to end, is part of a classic manga way, meaning for the fact that it's happening now, not near the end to just add this, is a sign that they won't be together and next, this side character won't have another big spotlight like that one that he/she had.
Yes, this chapter is good for a bunch of hints of NH but not in the way of them being possibly canon now or in the future.

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

At the risk of repeating myself, objectively viewing, it's not true , but then I'm completely and happily biased towards Sakura.

Take care,
pc123

I agree with you. And I have to laugh that people are thinking Hinata did more than Sakura. Hinata looks like she has done more than Sakura, but that is only the surface.

Hinata is always worried "Naruto-kun got attacked! Is he okay!?" `On the surface it looks like Hinata is really worried about Naruto and cares for him. Sakura never called out his name like that. But it's not because she's not worried, she knows what Naruto can handle and has a complete trust for him. She doesn't NEED to worry for him.

Hinata has jumped in front of Naruto two times, and ends up nearly sacrificing her life. The first time she jumped in front of Naruto it was to let Naruto know that she loves him, the second time she jumped in front of him it was to let him know that she is willing to die for him. It's all flashy and people may think that it's Hinata, that is doing much more for Naruto.
Sakura has sacrificed her life for Naruto three times. The first time it was at the forest of death. The second time it was when he went four tails. The third time it was when she tried to kill Sasuke. The first time she kept it a secret to Naruto about the attack from the sound ninjas. The second time she jumped crying out that she will bring back Sasuke for him, in hopes of taking away his burden, and lying that she was attacked by Orochimaru to not hurt him. The third time she deliberately tried to make him hate her in hopes that his feeling of pain will ease when she dies trying to kill Sasuke.

There is a big difference when Hinata tries to sacrifice her life for Naruto and when Sakura tries to sacrifice her life for Naruto.
In Hinata's case, it's all flashy trying to make him know that she has always been there for him. It has a selfish nature to it.
In Sakura's case, it's all done in secrecy and lies in order to ease his burden and his pain. She never wants him to know about her sacrifice and this is purely selfless.

And Hinata has done more than Sakura? Look underneath the underneath people....

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 27 December 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[TheClover]

But would you really like for NS to happen without Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to be dealt with beforehand ? I know I would hate it because it would make Sakura's character inconsistent and NS look bad. Yes the tide can turn but it has to be done well, Naruto suddenly loving Hinata without any indication before and forgetting Sakura is just bad writing.
You're right tough we can't say much for now but if NH becomes canon in the next chapters then I won't hold myself from calling Kishi what he is aka a terrible writer.

NS can't happen without SasuSaku being resolved. Of course not. Currently, we are assuming that Sakura is getting over, if she hasn't already, her feelings for Sasuke, and has developed/is developing feelings for Naruto. That's where a good chunk of our development comes from. But until we get confirmation that, no, she doesn't love Sasuke anymore, and yes, she loves Naruto, NS can't happen.

Indeed. I will accept the turning of the tide if it's done well. But right now, the strongest impression that I'm getting from this is that it's a feint. When authors consistently imply a pairing, they'll often throw in a single counter-implication as an attempt to fool the readers.

[Master Sage]

Guys calm it down for a bit plox. I honestly can't beleive just what some of you guys are saying. NH is canon? HAHA HAHAHAHAHH not until the day Naruto finally gives her an answer to her feelings. It is up to her clan to protect Naruto so for a second lets all look at this from a Hardcore Naruto fan POV instead of a Pairing POV.

Now I'll admit that those days of sitting around and saying "NH has no chance" have ended. We all know that lately Kishi has been showing us that maybe NH does have a chance. Come on though! Hinata gets 50+ points on the Paring meter buuuuuuut Sakura has been getting those points Longer and Much MUCH more than Hinata has since the beginning of shippuden.

NH you win this round but look at the scoreboard:

NS is in the lead for 785 points while NH is far behind with only 279.

Guys we are In the lead, FAR in the lead, and no NH moment like this will let them catch up to us. To be honest im proud of Hinata for being so bold and for coming out of her shell and I can't wait to see just what plan Naruto and Her have to beat Obito.

Man, I remember a long time ago when I used to ship NH and did nothing but watch AMV's of NaruHina. I stopped because i realized that that was all the pairing was. Nothing but Fanfics and Fanmade videos, there was just nothing about it that yelled love at me. Just wishfull thinking. Still today i feel this way. I understand that the guy is holding her hand and all but thats all it is. I feel like it is just a friend giving support and the feeling of being close from Naruto's POV. From Hinata it is more like warmth and love sorta one sided thoughts.

We have had worst days than this as a team. So its time we all stop worrying about and move on

Edited by Master Sage, 27 December 2012 - 02:16 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

The fact that is happening with Hinata and Naruto now, means that there won't be NH.

When a protagonist is fulfilling something that resides in the view of a side character who's interested in the protagonist and before the manga is far away to end, is part of a classic manga way, meaning for the fact that it's happening now, not near the end to just add this, is a sign that they won't be together and next, this side character won't have another big spotlight like that one that he/she had.
Yes, this chapter is good for a bunch of hints of NH but not in the way of them being possibly canon now or in the future.

Bringing logic into this thread, good job.

[fireandice]

Call it what you want. But it's better to accept some things beforehand so that you don't end up with a massive disappointment. Just like how the ObiTobi non-believers got devastated and tore their hairs apart when 599 came out.

I won't say it's canon now, but I will accept this chapter as a hint towards NH becoming canon.

That's somewhat my take too.

Exact wording: "Hinata, it's thanks to you who stayed at my side." =/= "Hinata I want you by my side./aka I love you."

BUT, I would acknowledge it CAN be seen by NH-fans as hints of Naruto's awareness of Hinata's romantic feelings towards him. In this case, it is ambiguous enough to both be used as a tool for development of NH, or from a platonic POV, of Naruto learning that he shouldn't feel as though he has to take the entire burden himself (that being friends is not a one-way thing- his friends are willing to die for him just as he is for them.)

The reason I say it's ambiguous is because Naruto thanks Neji in his mind right after that. And that when Hinata is talking about the whole "Your life is not your own" Kishi has Kurama jump in and widen the context of what Hinata is talking about to refer to everyone else who sacrificed their lives for him. I would say from Naruto's POV, what Hinata says is far more platonic than romantic, even though from her POV, we know a lot of her actions ARE rooted in romantic love. If Naruto had flashbacked to the Pain arc and minus Kurama and everybody else, then yes, it would make it more romantic as it would fixate on only Naruto and Hinata.

So IMO is this more development for NaruHina? Yes- I think Naruto really acknowledged her here, and she returned the favour of inspiring him when he felt like giving up.

Also pairings aside, if you think about it literary-wise, it's also a nice full circle for Hinata AND Neji. I can see why Kishi used them and I don't totally agree it's a 'forced moment'.

In Part 1: Neji bullies and mocks Hinata for not being strong enough, almost kills her. Plus he rants about fate and destiny, and thinks Naruto is a stupid deadlast.
Hinata is demoralised and crushed by Neji's words, and it is Naruto's encouragement that enables her to snap out of it and start standing up for herself.

Now: Neji RESPECTS Naruto for his strength, and I think a lot of us forget that Neji died also to protect HINATA, not just Naruto. He almost kills or at least severely injures her in Part 1 out of spite, but he dies protecting her. And instead of his fatalism in part 1, he regards his death as being free to decide his own destiny, and his willingness to die for Naruto is an expression of the ultimate about-turn from his attitude towards Naruto in Part 1.

For Hinata, it was her turn to snap Naruto out of a moment of crushing discouragement where he thought the odds were against them, (just as discouraged as she was facing Neji in the Chuunin Exams). Instead of always being the weaker party, she's now returned the favour.

The fact that the three of them are together ties it up quite nicely. If this turns out to be a way to force NaruHina, then I would agree that Kishi really had no excuse for hinting at NaruSaku so much only to throw it out of the window. But if it isn't, and just a way to allow the side characters to shine their brightest (because this is the last major arc), then it IS a nicely done full circle for Neji and Hinata.

Just my two cents (Sorry, LAPs galore today!)

Edited by fireandice, 27 December 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[Codus N]

I agree with you. And I have to laugh that people are thinking Hinata did more than Sakura. Hinata looks like she has done more than Sakura, but that is only the surface.

Hinata is always worried "Naruto-kun got attacked! Is he okay!?" `On the surface it looks like Hinata is really worried about Naruto and cares for him. Sakura never called out his name like that. But it's not because she's not worried, she knows what Naruto can handle and has a complete trust for him. She doesn't NEED to worry for him.

Hinata has jumped in front of Naruto two times, and ends up nearly sacrificing her life. The first time she jumped in front of Naruto it was to let Naruto know that she loves him, the second time she jumped in front of him it was to let him know that she is willing to die for him. It's all flashy and people may think that it's Hinata, that is doing much more for Naruto.
Sakura has sacrificed her life for Naruto three times. The first time it was at the forest of death. The second time it was when he went four tails. The third time it was when she tried to kill Sasuke. The first time she kept it a secret to Naruto about the attack from the sound ninjas. The second time she jumped crying out that she will bring back Sasuke for him, in hopes of taking away his burden, and lying that she was attacked by Orochimaru to not hurt him. The third time she deliberately tried to make him hate her in hopes that his feeling of pain will ease when she dies trying to kill Sasuke.

There is a big difference when Hinata tries to sacrifice her life for Naruto and when Sakura tries to sacrifice her life for Naruto.
In Hinata's case, it's all flashy trying to make him know that she has always been there for him. It has a selfish nature to it.
In Sakura's case, it's all done in secrecy and lies in order to ease his burden and his pain. She never wants him to know about her sacrifice and this is purely selfless.

And Hinata has done more than Sakura? Look underneath the underneath people....

Your post will have no meaning compared to Naruto's POV. Which one's actions does he cherish more?? does he cherish Hinata's willingness to risk her life for him and her supporting Naruto in his dreams explicitly?? or does he cherish Sakura's emotional sacrifice and the little things she does to make him happy??

It's really make or break this time and Kishi had better not be playing around.

[ramenanmitsu]

I just wanna clear something with you. Do you, at least acknowledge, this chapter has hinted the possibility of NH becoming canon??

Of course it has the possibility to be canon.
It's not the end of the manga. Anything can happen.
Narusaku, SasuSaku, NaruHina all have the possibility of being canon.
KakaSaku(he was holding her arms and protecting her last chapter), GaiKaka(they seem cozy these several chapters), BeeNaru(they seem to have a connection) all have a chance of being canon.
Sasuke might end up being a girl. In this case hurray NaruSasu.
Ino might end up being a boy. Hurray! InoSaku.
Inoichi and Shikaku might have been secret lovers hiding their true love behind their wives back. Hurray! Soap Opera!

Your post will have no meaning compared to Naruto's POV. Which one's actions does he cherish more?? does he cherish Hinata's willingness to risk her life for him and her supporting Naruto in his dreams explicitly?? or does he cherish Sakura's emotional sacrifice and the little things she does to make him happy??

It's really make or break this time and Kishi had better not be playing around.

What does my post have to do with Naruto's POV? It had NOTHING to do with Naruto's point of view.
I was discussing MY point of view as a reader that Sakura's sacrifice for Naruto is nothing small compared to that of Hinata's.

But to answer your question....
If Naruto doesn't see that? Then I won't care anymore. He wasn't really the main character/leader type material I thought he was.
If Sakura doesn't understand how much Naruto sacrificed for her? Then I won't care anymore. She didn't get the development I thought she would get.
If this happens THEN I would finally jump ship.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 27 December 2012 - 02:17 PM.

[Codus N]

Of course it has the possibility to be canon.
It's not the end of the manga. Anything can happen.
Narusaku, SasuSaku, NaruHina all have the possibility of being canon.
KakaSaku(he was holding her arms and protecting her last chapter), GaiKaka(they seem cozy these several chapters), BeeNaru(they seem to have a connection) all have a chance of being canon.
Sasuke might end up being a girl. In this case hurray NaruSasu.
Ino might end up being a boy. Hurray! InoSaku.
Inoichi and Shikaku might have been secret lovers hiding their true love behind their wives back. Hurray! Soap Opera!

You don't how much I'm laughing at this . Ok, good. I just wanted to clear that up with you.

Unless you're being sarcastic, of course.....

Edited by Codus N, 27 December 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[BabyVee]

I don't think I want to read this chapter lol. Anyways my stomach hurts a little(but that's probably from lack of food) but I'll hold onto to the belief that NaruSaku will happen. Dunno if this has been posted but just to hopefully cheer you guys up

Sakura did it first




Hope Kishi remembers.

[Master Sage]

I don't think I want to read this chapter lol. Anyways my stomach hurts a little(but that's probably from lack of food) but I'll hold onto to the belief that NaruSaku will happen. Dunno if this has been posted but just to hopefully cheer you guys up

Sakura did it first




Hope Kishi remembers.

Never Forget. Funny this was actually the first thing that popped into my head when Hinata slapped Naruto. Hmm Imagine if Naruto grabbed Sakura's hand back then lol

[Chucky-kun]

How many weeks of nh bragging have we suffered..... Ever since kiba's comment, this better be worth it.

[pharix]

I don't think I want to read this chapter lol. Anyways my stomach hurts a little(but that's probably from lack of food) but I'll hold onto to the belief that NaruSaku will happen. Dunno if this has been posted but just to hopefully cheer you guys up

Sakura did it first




Hope Kishi remembers.

I'm glad I'm not the only one to think of this

[primary colours123]

Hi,

Really? It seemed to me, though, that some people decided that there was no hope left for NS. Not that they didn't like it, but felt that it didn't have a chance anymore due to this single chapter. Maybe I just got the wrong impression.

And I don't think that it was "glossed over", it was more like Naruto was just being...Naruto. He's too nice to just push Hinata away, especially after she does something like that. Again, Naruto being Naruto, we can't be certain that he's returning her feelings, either.

Actually, that is just a way of making sure that we keep our hopes low so that we can be pleasantly surprised when NS does happen.

But seriously, in most eastern cultures, saying "I won't leave your hand" and "thanks for remaining by my side" IS pretty romantic. Not that NH is canon, but yes, suddenly, it is quite close to it, without much foreshadowing. In fact in my country, this entire scene would have been all needed to show that the pairing is canon. We generally don't show kisses onscreen. But since this is a Japanese manga by a mangaka who apparently had a plan from the beginning, I am holding out hope. And no I'm not playing Devil's advocate, I'm saying it as it is. This does not mean I'm jumping ship, or am discontinuing shipping NS.

And that absolutely does not mean that I'm not a true fan, or was never one to begin with. I don't underestimate my opponents. Though I believe in subterfutage.

And yes, they have been glossed over. As the post I quoted below points out, Naruto has not even known about or noticed things Sakura has done for him, without any hope for recognition. But since Hinata always did this in front of him and uselessly if I may add he suddenly realises she has always held true love for him??????

Hinata has disappointed me deeply in this chapter, as she does most of the time, but this time, Naruto has left even Hinata behind in disappointing me. This chapter was tooooooo fanficcy (sorry for neologism but I could not find a more appropriate word.)

I agree with you. And I have to laugh that people are thinking Hinata did more than Sakura. Hinata looks like she has done more than Sakura, but that is only the surface.

Hinata is always worried "Naruto-kun got attacked! Is he okay!?" `On the surface it looks like Hinata is really worried about Naruto and cares for him. Sakura never called out his name like that. But it's not because she's not worried, she knows what Naruto can handle and has a complete trust for him. She doesn't NEED to worry for him.

Hinata has jumped in front of Naruto two times, and ends up nearly sacrificing her life. The first time she jumped in front of Naruto it was to let Naruto know that she loves him, the second time she jumped in front of him it was to let him know that she is willing to die for him. It's all flashy and people may think that it's Hinata, that is doing much more for Naruto.
Sakura has sacrificed her life for Naruto three times. The first time it was at the forest of death. The second time it was when he went four tails. The third time it was when she tried to kill Sasuke. The first time she kept it a secret to Naruto about the attack from the sound ninjas. The second time she jumped crying out that she will bring back Sasuke for him, in hopes of taking away his burden, and lying that she was attacked by Orochimaru to not hurt him. The third time she deliberately tried to make him hate her in hopes that his feeling of pain will ease when she dies trying to kill Sasuke.

There is a big difference when Hinata tries to sacrifice her life for Naruto and when Sakura tries to sacrifice her life for Naruto.
In Hinata's case, it's all flashy trying to make him know that she has always been there for him. It has a selfish nature to it.
In Sakura's case, it's all done in secrecy and lies in order to ease his burden and his pain. She never wants him to know about her sacrifice and this is purely selfless.

And Hinata has done more than Sakura? Look underneath the underneath people....

I am currently hugging this post. If we had repping system here, as at NF, I would have given you a full green bar.

Take care,
pc123

Edited by primary colours123, 27 December 2012 - 02:41 PM.

[六道仙人]

I really mise the purpose about this holding their hands forward.... They want really to fight together holding their hands untile the end of the battle?

Edited by 六道仙人, 27 December 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[Tokura Misaki]

NH is canon, eh? K dot.


But still I'll never give up!

[fireandice]

I really mise the purpose about this holding their hands forward.... They want really to fight together holding their hands untile the end of the battle?

I think it's something about whatever Shika's plan to attack the Juubi is. The holding hands I concede has a romantic implication, but it was also a way for Naruto to give Hinata chakra.