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#381 Poison_In_Your_Coffee

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 20 2012, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Neji's death will serve as Hinata's final character development, finally leaving behind her insecurities for the sake of not letting Neji's sacrifice be in vain.

Hasn't she done so already? She's stated that she intends to stand next to Naruto and hold his hand. I take this to mean that she will pretty much ask him out. This is clear progress from earlier when she could barely say a word in his presence. She was insecure about her abilities, but look at her now, fighting in the war right next to her father (it is her father, isn't it?) and Neji and the rest. I'm unsure what insecurities she has left, really. If she manages to get courage to ask Naruto out or confess her feelings again, this time in better setting than full attack, I'd say she has completely overcome her insecurities.

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In a nice plot twist maybe it's Naruto the one that feels down and Hinata offers her hand to help him stand and gives him some encouraging words.

Wouldn't mind this.

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I think what could really mark the end is if Hinata herself acknowledges that Naruto doesn't love her, but that she'll keep on fighting to defend him so that Neji's death can have meaning. All while Naruto thanks her for her feelings.

My other, non-NH theory is that Kishi is intentionally setting Hinata up for a fail. She finally works up the courage to ask Naruto out, only to be turned down by him. Then she will show, despite her "failure" to get together with Naruto, that she won't become depressed or lose all her newfound confidence and will smile and still believe in herself and wish Naruto all the happiness in the world. Then she will go on her way, happy to at least having tried.

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 02:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^^^
i love how people keep saying if sakura smiles while hinata and naruto are "holding hands" its likely canon, but hinata smiled when sakura hugged naruto, so uh.... yeah

The difference is that Hinata has shown feelings for Naruto before and after witnessing NaruSaku hug. Hinata still pursues Naruto. She doesn't seem to think that Naruto and Sakura are in love, or at least doesn't mind to try to break them up because she still is intent on going after Naruto. Which seems more like Hinata to you? Sakura has not shown clear (again, we can debate on what constitutes as "clear") feelings for Naruto and her being happy to see Naruto with anyone else would, in my opinion, mean that she hasn't got any feelings for Naruto at all.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto doesn't love her and more importantly he loves is teammate who happen to understand him more and is more important to him and the plot.

Sasuke, then? Sorry, couldn't resist. tongue.gif

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 20 December 2012 - 01:52 AM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:46 AM

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Why shamefulcry0js.gif did you have to remind me who Naruto truly loves.


QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 19 2012, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The hand holding would be nice to show NH becoming canon. The one problem I have for it is, that Hinata doesn't share as significant development with Naruto as he has with Sakura, and the fact that Naruto suddenly showing interest would feel very weird in my mind.

My opinion as to what could happen is the same as KnS. I think Neji's death will serve as Hinata's final character development, finally leaving behind her insecurities for the sake of not letting Neji's sacrifice be in vain.

In a nice plot twist maybe it's Naruto the one that feels down and Hinata offers her hand to help him stand and gives him some encouraging words. That could be the true end of Hinata's story. After all this time of getting inspiration from Naruto it's now her turn to encourage him. That way she finally got what she wanted, to be an equal to Naruto, her hero. I think that if it happens that way to could completely resolve Hinata's character without the need to pair her with Naruto. After all, Hinata's feelings for Naruto were all about her taking strength from seeing him, so if she's able to move forward without Naruto's assistance then that's a good end for that story.

On the other hand, if Naruto is the one to give his hand then she'll take it while showing a very determined face that's willing to fight no matter what. That's another way to resolve Hinata's story. She'll show to Naruto that she's become stronger and doesn't need him to worry about her. She'll thank Naruto for everything and that would be it.

I think what could really mark the end is if Hinata herself acknowledges that Naruto doesn't love her, but that she'll keep on fighting to defend him so that Neji's death can have meaning. All while Naruto thanks her for her feelings.



I don't know how to speculate any scenario for NH since it really isn't that significant to me, I have the mentality that if NH happens o well is happen, I guest my understanding of the Manga was wrong from the start. I say that because Hinata character is so plain/simple that I don't see how it can affect NS when she only thinks about her self, she isn't important to the plot, Naruto doesn't love her and more importantly he loves his teammate who happen to understand him more and is more important to him and the plot.

So while I really don't give a flying F about NH the pairing not the fandom, I try not to ignore the latest development but still feel that the only way I can see it happening if it's forced on the readers just like her latest focus.


@Chucky-kun
Speech bubbles with dots is a way how the Author will show how every reader is expecting for her to say something but she doesn't, it emphasize deep silence.
That does not mean happy, I believe Kishi did make that clear otherwise why give her a panel with only dots on her speech bubbles.

Edited by Don-kun, 20 December 2012 - 02:13 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:57 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The difference is that Hinata has shown feelings for Naruto before and after witnessing NaruSaku hug. Hinata still pursues Naruto. She doesn't seem to think that Naruto and Sakura are in love, or at least doesn't mind to try to break them up because she still is intent on going after Naruto. Which seems more like Hinata to you? Sakura has not shown clear (again, we can debate on what constitutes as "clear") feelings for Naruto and her being happy to see Naruto with anyone else would, in my opinion, mean that she hasn't got any feelings for Naruto at all.


No I was suggesting that maybe her pursuing him is not meant in a romantic way, but just in a way to protect a friend? Her feelings would still be there of course, but I'm just wondering now why Kishi would choose to show her being thankful that Naruto was alive, and then you see her again with "..." in her speech bubble after NS hug.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:04 AM

QUOTE (Qia @ Dec 19 2012, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What if the hand holding wasn't meant to be romantic in the first place? It's just a thought. I keep thinking of the face Hinata made when Sakura hugged Naruto. Maybe she saw something there? Maybe the hand holding would be a trigger for that? I don't know ;-;. It's just a thought. But I'd really rather they didn't hold hands. dry.gif


Ohmygod yes that would be so awesome wow.png.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:07 AM

QUOTE (Qia @ Dec 20 2012, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No I was suggesting that maybe her pursuing him is not meant in a romantic way, but just in a way to protect a friend? Her feelings would still be there of course, but I'm just wondering now why Kishi would choose to show her being thankful that Naruto was alive, and then you see her again with "..." in her speech bubble after NS hug.

Hmm... Did I understand you right? You are wondering why Hinata reacted the way she did when Naruto and Sakura hugged? Well, Kishi probably wanted to show her in the backgroud so the readers would know that she was well and this way he didn't have to dedicate any extra panels to Hinata. That's probably why she was there. As for her expression, well... they are celebrating for having survived a massive attack on their village, so she would be happy about that. She could be smiling because she has accepted that Naruto and Sakura are together. Or she could be smiling because she doesn't think Sakura a threat and doesn't think that Sakura is after Naruto romantically, too. As for "...", well, beats me. Could mean anything. Are you saying that Hinata's desire to hold Naruto's hand (as in chapter 573) could be platonic, just friendly? Sure, it could. It's possible. I doubt it myself. It seemed pretty intimate to me and I don't really see any reason to think that Hinata is over Naruto. I could, of course, be wrong.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 20 December 2012 - 02:09 AM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:08 AM

@Poison_In_Your_Coffee

I can't envision Hinata asking Naruto out in the middle of the greatest battle of the ninja world and just after Neji just died. laugh.gif

As for the insecurities, it's not that she's a coward, she has proven herself brave. But as of now she's always depended on Naruto's guidance as for what she should do. Her resolution would come in understanding that she doesn't need it anymore and that she's able to go forward on her own, even being able to encourage the hero that she always got inspiration from. Neji's death can give her the resolve to finally be able to accomplish all of this.

I don't think Hinata needs to confess again. Naruto heard her the first time, he knows she loves him. And I've said before that Hinata was never aiming to be together with Naruto, she simply wanted him to acknowledge her efforts and feelings.

In these type of stories you don't go asking people out, you just confess and hope they reciprocate. Hinata already did the confession part, now there are two outcomes:
1) Naruto suddenly tells her he feels the same way
2) Hinata understands that Naruto doesn't love her, but he acknowledges her feelings and thanks her for caring

The latter seems more appropriate for character resolution.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:13 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hasn't she done so already? She's stated that she intends to stand next to Naruto and hold his hand. I take this to mean that she will pretty much ask him out. This is clear progress from earlier when she could barely say a word in his presence. She was insecure about her abilities, but look at her now, fighting in the war right next to her father (it is her father, isn't it?) and Neji and the rest. I'm unsure what insecurities she has left, really. If she manages to get courage to ask Naruto out or confess her feelings again, this time in better setting than full attack, I'd say she has completely overcome her insecurities.


Wouldn't mind this.


My other, non-NH theory is that Kishi is intentionally setting Hinata up for a fail. She finally works up the courage to ask Naruto out, only to be turned down by him. Then she will show, despite her "failure" to get together with Naruto, that she won't become depressed or lose all her newfound confidence and will smile and still believe in herself and wish Naruto all the happiness in the world. Then she will go on her way, happy to at least having tried.


The difference is that Hinata has shown feelings for Naruto before and after witnessing NaruSaku hug. Hinata still pursues Naruto. She doesn't seem to think that Naruto and Sakura are in love, or at least doesn't mind to try to break them up because she still is intent on going after Naruto. Which seems more like Hinata to you? Sakura has not shown clear (again, we can debate on what constitutes as "clear") feelings for Naruto and her being happy to see Naruto with anyone else would, in my opinion, mean that she hasn't got any feelings for Naruto at all.


Sasuke, then? Sorry, couldn't resist. tongue.gif


QFT. nuff said. If Sakura smiles at Hinata and Naruto holding hands, then it'll show that she's content with what she's seeing but if we see anything besides that, then she clearly has feelings for Naruto. I wouldn't even mind this just to get a reaction out of her. It'll be the push she needs. biggrin.gif

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 20 2012, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Poison_In_Your_Coffee

I can't envision Hinata asking Naruto out in the middle of the greatest battle of the ninja world and just after Neji just died. laugh.gif

As for the insecurities, it's not that she's a coward, she has proven herself brave. But as of now she's always depended on Naruto's guidance as for what she should do. Her resolution would come in understanding that she doesn't need it anymore and that she's able to go forward on her own, even being able to encourage the hero that she always got inspiration from. Neji's death can give her the resolve to finally be able to accomplish all of this.

I don't think Hinata needs to confess again. Naruto heard her the first time, he knows she loves him. And I've said before that Hinata was never aiming to be together with Naruto, she simply wanted him to acknowledge her efforts and feelings.

In these type of stories you don't go asking people out, you just confess and hope they reciprocate. Hinata already did the confession part, now there are two outcomes:
1) Naruto suddenly tells her he feels the same way
2) Hinata understands that Naruto doesn't love her, but he acknowledges her feelings and thanks her for caring

The latter seems more appropriate for character resolution.


I was thinking she would start with the hand-holding and after the flames of war have been put out, then maybe ask if Naruto cared to come around for a cup of coffee.

Your scenarios seem plausible. I really would like it if in the next chapters Hinata could offer some encouragement for Naruto and cheer him up. I was thinking that my grand theory of hand-holding would be how NH can happen. Your scenario 2 is more like how can NH not happen. I prefer scenario NH, but I can see what you like about scenario number 2 as well.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 03:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you prefer NH scenario. hm.png

You know you're the first SS shipper I known that is reasonable with the other fandom, I respect that.

I don't so much care for NH, but am hoping that it will aid SS. I'm honest enough to admit that. I like NH just fine, but I can't say I ship it.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 20 December 2012 - 02:25 AM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:22 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was thinking she would start with the hand-holding and after the flames of war have been put out, then maybe ask if Naruto cared to come around for a cup of coffee.

Your scenarios seem plausible. I really would like it if in the next chapters Hinata could offer some encouragement for Naruto and cheer him up. I was thinking that my grand theory of hand-holding would be how NH can happen. Your scenario 2 is more like how can NH not happen. I prefer scenario NH, but I can see what you like about scenario number 2 as well.


So you prefer NH scenario. hm.png

You know you're the first SS shipper I known that is reasonable with the other fandom, I respect that.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:30 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was thinking she would start with the hand-holding and after the flames of war have been put out, then maybe ask if Naruto cared to come around for a cup of coffee.

Your scenarios seem plausible. I really would like it if in the next chapters Hinata could offer some encouragement for Naruto and cheer him up. I was thinking that my grand theory of hand-holding would be how NH can happen. Your scenario 2 is more like how can NH not happen. I prefer scenario NH, but I can see what you like about scenario number 2 as well.

The bolded is just too... 111189.gif I guess that's just an example at the top of your head, but I don't think ninjas have coffee shops.

But I get what you're saying. If I thought NH would happen maybe that's how I would envision it. But given how the story has developed so far I really think it's building up toward Hinata finally letting go of Naruto's guidance as her character resolution.

This would allow Hinata to create her own path. One that she determines with her own resolve, and not one based around Naruto.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:30 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm... Did I understand you right? You are wondering why Hinata reacted the way she did when Naruto and Sakura hugged? Well, Kishi probably wanted to show her in the backgroud so the readers would know that she was well and this way he didn't have to dedicate any extra panels to Hinata. That's probably why she was there. As for her expression, well... they are celebrating for having survived a massive attack on their village, so she would be happy about that. She could be smiling because she has accepted that Naruto and Sakura are together. Or she could be smiling because she doesn't think Sakura a threat and doesn't think that Sakura is after Naruto romantically, too. As for "...", well, beats me. Could mean anything. Are you saying that Hinata's desire to hold Naruto's hand (as in chapter 573) could be platonic, just friendly? Sure, it could. It's possible. I doubt it myself. It seemed pretty intimate to me and I don't really see any reason to think that Hinata is over Naruto. I could, of course, be wrong.


It's just that, she was already shown once. But then she's shown again after the hug with everyone else, but then her speech bubble is like "...", unlike everyone else who's just looking. I'm just curious as to why Kishi would add that. She could be thinking something, but we don't know what xD. And yes I'm suggesting that. I don't think she's OVER him. Her feelings wouldn't go away like that. But it's possible she noticed something and that hand holding thing was only said to represent that she would be on the battlefield with Naruto (right next to him, as she has been) and protecting him. And then in the end their friendship would deepen, but in a platonic way you know? But this is just speculation tongue.gif.I really don't think she meant literally holding his hand. The next time could mean the next time she sees him (which is now during the war). And maybe she has really stopped chasing him once and for all. xD. But idk for sure.

And I don't meet a lot of SS shippers, but hi there. wave.gif

Edited by Qia, 20 December 2012 - 02:31 AM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:45 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 20 2012, 03:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But given how the story has developed so far I really think it's building up toward Hinata finally letting go of Naruto's guidance as her character resolution. This would allow Hinata to create her own path. One that she determines with her own resolve, and not one based around Naruto.

Or NH happening could create a shared path they can both walk down next to each other, holding hands. I'm still hesitant to speculate where the story is going. I do see the NS development, but do think that it can still go either way as Sakura's feelings have not yet been confirmed to be romantic. Kishi could still choose to keep her feelings for Naruto platonic and render all the NS moments to just ship teases or red herrings. This and chapter 540 and recent Hinata business do make me think that NH and SS could still happen.

Qia, I see what you mean. "..." is hard to speculate. I guess it's just meant to indicate that that someone is thinking something but the mystery yet remains what that is. As for 573, I thought Hinata was going to give up on Naruto. Then I turned the page and she continued with the "walking right next to you, holding hands" bit. Could be it's meant to be just platonic, but wouldn't she then have said something like "I'm going to be there to support you"? It's the hand-holding part that gets me thinking that she must still have romantic intentions towards Naruto.

Is this off-topic, by the way?
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:51 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Qia, I see what you mean. "..." is hard to speculate. I guess it's just meant to indicate that that someone is thinking something but the mystery yet remains what that is. As for 573, I thought Hinata was going to give up on Naruto. Then I turned the page and she continued with the "walking right next to you, holding hands" bit. Could be it's meant to be just platonic, but wouldn't she then have said something like "I'm going to be there to support you"? It's the hand-holding part that gets me thinking that she must still have romantic intentions towards Naruto.

Is this off-topic, by the way?


It is. Well she said after the war she'll stop chasing him, especially since she won't have the time to chase him during the war. But then she says NEXT TIME I'LL BE HOLDING YOUR HAND AND WALKING WITH YOU, which doesn't have to be in a romantic way if we were to stick with previous page, especially after those "...." that was placed there again. It seems as if it was a hard decision for her to make, you know? But she's willing to still protect him and have that friendship with him and walk with him. Maybe Kishi just phrased it that way on purpose? tongue.gif.

Uhh I don't think so. It's still NS sorta, and as long as there's no bashing I think it's fine?

Edited by Qia, 20 December 2012 - 02:52 AM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:51 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Dec 19 2012, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Once upon a time, we NS fans envisioned scenarios where NS would come to fruition. These, were peaceful and joyous times. Then, everything changed when the Juubi attacked. Now, these so-called NS fans imagine life, where NH is canon and Narusaku development is neglected and forgotten. What happened to those days where we did not give up and simply ignored the blasphemy that spouted from NH.



Oh no, back in THOSE days, we actually didn't have so much tension regarding shipping and we welcomed and debated quite a lot with other shippers.

Ah, I miss the SLAPS.


Also found it hilarious Kamina-Yoshi posted super recently, as in yesterday.



This last bit is directed at everyone: Just chill, it's not worth it to get so worked up on whether or not a fictional teenage boy will get together with one fictional teenage girl or another fictional teenage girl.

Don't make me bring the Wrath of Shauna upon this board. You won't like it.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:03 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't so much care for NH, but am hoping that it will aid SS. I'm honest enough to admit that. I like NH just fine, but I can't say I ship it.


I notice this behavior since chapter 558 on Naruto forum when I saw a SS fans constantly creating Threads about NH been cannon.

About the rest, I believe the pairing drama will continue with Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto until the end.
Naruto has not expressed his feelings to Sakura even if he only wants to get it out his chest without any positive expectation.
The drama of the confession has not being addressed yet.
Sakura still doesn't know Naruto was the one who complemented her forehead.
And Sakura has not stated how she feels for Naruto after her feelings for him has being speculated by herself twice, Yamato and Sai.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe Hinata feelings will be addressed in the next 7 or lest chapter, but if that happens with out a clear resolution between Naruto and Sakura, I don't really see how NH will have any chance since it will show Naruto suddenly falling for Hinata without any sign of him moving from his selfless feelings for Sakura.

If I'm honest with you each time I think about NH I can only think about RTN Hinata, something tells me that she might open her eyes to the fact that she should not keep living her life only for Naruto and that their are others she really care about and doesn't want to lose the same way she lost Neji.

Again I might be wrong but I really want to believe Kishimoto knows better since this is the rational aproach when it comes to Hinata and her obsession with Naruto.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:04 AM

I think everyone should just relax and see what happens. NH may be in the spotlight (not sure if it's a romantic moment for the two - doesn't come off that way to me at least but then again I could be focusing on Neji so much that it's not clicking for me) but the end result is that there's still time for NS to shine. NS isn't finished. Naruto and Sakura haven't had a chance to be near each other really - at least not yet. And after what's happened recently, I'd say anything's possible. Next chapter could change everything. We'll just have to wait and see - relax and stay calm.

Please try not to get so down everyone. This is a terrible week though, ne? sad.gif

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:15 AM

QUOTE (Poison_In_Your_Coffee @ Dec 19 2012, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or NH happening could create a shared path they can both walk down next to each other, holding hands. I'm still hesitant to speculate where the story is going. I do see the NS development, but do think that it can still go either way as Sakura's feelings have not yet been confirmed to be romantic. Kishi could still choose to keep her feelings for Naruto platonic and render all the NS moments to just ship teases or red herrings. This and chapter 540 and recent Hinata business do make me think that NH and SS could still happen.

Yeah, I get what you're saying about the share path. I would've found it nice if Hinata had more of a connection to Naruto, but the build up for that to happen feels pretty lacking in my opinion.

By the way, you have my respect for acknowledging that NS has development despite you being an SS fan. biggrin.gif

I honestly think that when it comes to red herrings it could very well be the reverse. Maybe chapter 540 and the Hinata business were meant to be the misdirections.

I just can't imagine having Sakura being the one developed to have the higher chances of changing her feelings throughout the story only to show Naruto and Sasuke doing so by the end with no previous indication from their part.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:19 AM

QUOTE (Qia @ Dec 20 2012, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is. Well she said after the war she'll stop chasing him, especially since she won't have the time to chase him during the war. But then she says NEXT TIME I'LL BE HOLDING YOUR HAND AND WALKING WITH YOU, which doesn't have to be in a romantic way if we were to stick with previous page, especially after those "...." that was placed there again. It seems as if it was a hard decision for her to make, you know? But she's willing to still protect him and have that friendship with him and walk with him. Maybe Kishi just phrased it that way on purpose? tongue.gif.

Yeah, it's up for some interpretion. This manga has used "the chace" in other situations, too. Sasuke and Naruto's relationship has similar theme. From chapter 485, Naruto says to Sasuke "And I kept chasing you, wanting to be just as strong, just as cool". I remember Sakura also saying something like she has been watching Naruto and Sasuke's backs, not being as good as them, but wanting to protect them and make them watch her back instead. It seems to relate to them all trying to become more talented and creating bonds with other people.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 20 2012, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I honestly think that when it comes to red herrings it could very well be the reverse. Maybe chapter 540 and the Hinata business were meant to be the misdirections.

I just can't imagine having Sakura being the one developed to have the higher chances of changing her feelings throughout the story only to show Naruto and Sasuke doing so by the end with no previous indication from their part.

We will know what parts were foreshadowing and what parts were red herring only in the end, so it's possible that they are misdirections. Sasuke's tricky. He is at a delicate point at the moment. He could wake up to realize what mistakes he has made and change his ways (Naruto provides messiac talk and makes a convert of Sasuke). This will mean a complete 180 for him. If Sasuke changes all his ways, is it really so hard to imagine that he will realize that Sakura is a very nice girl after all? Sasuke's a pretty confused and lost boy and supresses a lot of his feelings. SS is convenient for Kishi, especially if Sasuke redeems himself and lives. Sakura provides the happy ending for Sasuke, the possibility of a family. NH is convenient as well, because it makes sure that Naruto gets paired, too, without interfearing with Sasuke's HEA. And I would say, that for Kishi, Sasuke's story will be very important to do right. Maybe more important than development of pairings. (This scenario assumes a lot, obviously.)

Qia, sure it is.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 20 2012, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I notice this behavior since chapter 558 on Naruto forum when I saw a SS fans constantly creating Threads about NH been cannon.

About the rest, I believe the pairing drama will continue with Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto until the end.
Naruto has not expressed his feelings to Sakura even if he only wants to get it out his chest without any positive expectation.
The drama of the confession has not being addressed yet.
Sakura still doesn't know Naruto was the one who complemented her forehead.
And Sakura has not stated how she feels for Naruto after her feelings for him has being speculated by herself twice, Yamato and Sai.

Well, even if NH happens in the very next chapter, these points would still need to be addressed. I would like to know how Naruto moved on from Sakura and did Sakura ever have any feelings for Naruto, too, if NH happens.

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Again I might be wrong but I really want to believe Kishimoto knows better since this is the rational aproach when it comes to Hinata and her obsession with Naruto.

Kishi hasn't really meant Hinata's love for Naruto to be seen as obsessive, if you ask me. It can come across that way if you don't consider that everything in this manga revolves around either Naruto or Sasuke. Some characters like Shikamaru manage to get development more than others so they will be more rounded characters. Hinata has some development with other characters than Naruto, but mostly she exist to be there for Naruto. When she gets attacted by Pain, it's not really about her: it's about Naruto and his development. She gets hit so Naruto can react to that and go crazy-bananas on Pain and then meet his dad and learn a lesson. When Sasuke joins a terrorist organization, we see Naruto's reaction but we also see Sasuke do some terrorism and see how he feels about doing evil (spoiler: he feels pretty good about that.). That's because Sasuke is a more developed character in his own right and does not revolve around Naruto. We are, I think, supposed to understand that Hinata has a life of her own, it's just not important to Naruto, so we never get to see it. Just like we never get to see where Ten-Ten lives. It's not important to the plot.

HEA = Happily Ever After. The happy ending.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 20 December 2012 - 03:51 AM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:27 AM

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Yeah, it's up for some interpretion. This manga has used "the chace" in other situations, too. Sasuke and Naruto's relationship has similar theme. From chapter 485, Naruto says to Sasuke "And I kept chasing you, wanting to be just as strong, just as cool". I remember Sakura also saying something like she has been watching Naruto and Sasuke's backs, not being as good as them, but wanting to protect them and make them watch her back instead. It seems to relate to them all trying to become more talented and creating bonds with other people.


I totally didn't think of the Team 7 part. That's a good observation biggrin.gif. I'm going to share it with other people, if that's okay <3?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:39 AM

I know some people probably don't expect this... but, I do for some reason, from what I've seen in Naruto, (fillers, canon, etc) Naruto has no problem yelling at girls to prove his point. He could completely demolish NH in a few words if he blows up on Hinata from always being with him and not taking care of herself or Neji, for example -- and neji died protecting her, and she's still worried about him, per say. I could see him doing that to shake something up in her to make her courageous and independent without always relying on him or protecting him.

Edited by Fenris, 20 December 2012 - 03:41 AM.

 
 
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