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[Nate River]

Nate I was being sarcastic don't take me too seriously. Like I'm actually going to paste a post from a forum to a pairing war zone that it is YT.

In my defense we have had issues with that before.

[redragon88]

About chapter 540, I have a new theory. In my honest opinion the reason she remembers Sasuke is because at the present moment Sakura, at the very least, believes she still loves him. But what if the reason she doesn't look so happy about it is because she's now starting to think if there is an actual motivation for her to love him. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.

Give the words the love letter nin said "If it's someone you love he must be a great guy" Sakura could be now thinking if Sasuke is truly the guy someone like her would really love romantically. She thinks of Sasuke because that's who she has consciously loved all the time, so it's kind of an automatic response. Until then she had accepted her love for Sasuke as a natural thing not to be questioned but maybe what the love nin said has made her rethink just how natural that love actually is.

So, any takers on this one?

[TerrorKing]

About chapter 540, I have a new theory. In my honest opinion the reason she remembers Sasuke is because at the present moment Sakura, at the very least, believes she still loves him. But what if the reason she doesn't look so happy about it is because she's now starting to think if there is an actual motivation for her to love him. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.

Give the words the love letter nin said "If it's someone you love he must be a great guy" Sakura could be now thinking if Sasuke is truly the guy someone like her would really love romantically. She thinks of Sasuke because that's who she has consciously loved all the time, so it's kind of an automatic response. Until then she had accepted her love for Sasuke as a natural thing not to be questioned but maybe what the love nin said has made her rethink just how natural that love actually is.

So, any takers on this one?

That is very much a possibility. If there is one thing that has become apparent over the course of this series, it's that back in part 1 when Sakura was desperately trying to win Sasuke's affection, she wasn't being herself. Instead, she mostly behaved like how she thought Sasuke (and everyone else) wanted her to behave. But I think she's figured out that she doesn't need to do that and that she should just be herself, especially around Naruto because he loves her for who she is.

As such, her love for Sasuke does nothing but bring her shame and hold her back emotionally. After all, Sakura can be very self deprecating. As such, I feel that getting rid of those lingering feelings will only be good for her in the long run.

Honestly, the only way I could see SS happening, is through a fresh start. That would mean that both Sasuke and Sakura would have to sit down and actually get to know each other, just like how it's always been with NS.

[James S Cassidy]

About chapter 540, I have a new theory. In my honest opinion the reason she remembers Sasuke is because at the present moment Sakura, at the very least, believes she still loves him. But what if the reason she doesn't look so happy about it is because she's now starting to think if there is an actual motivation for her to love him. Maybe this is the beginning of the end of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.

Give the words the love letter nin said "If it's someone you love he must be a great guy" Sakura could be now thinking if Sasuke is truly the guy someone like her would really love romantically. She thinks of Sasuke because that's who she has consciously loved all the time, so it's kind of an automatic response. Until then she had accepted her love for Sasuke as a natural thing not to be questioned but maybe what the love nin said has made her rethink just how natural that love actually is.

So, any takers on this one?

That's exactly what I am thinking. She is doubting her feelings she once had for him and she might even be regretting it like ciardha said.

I am not going to deny it and say she is over Sasuke...yet, but I think at this point in time she is starting to rethink her emotions. The fact that she didn't look to happy is a good indication that she might not be happy or realizing that Sasuke is not who she thought he was.

[CloudMountainJuror]

That is very much a possibility. If there is one thing that has become apparent over the course of this series, it's that back in part 1 when Sakura was desperately trying to win Sasuke's affection, she wasn't being herself. Instead, she mostly behaved like how she thought Sasuke (and everyone else) wanted her to behave. But I think she's figured out that she doesn't need to do that and that she should just be herself, especially around Naruto because he loves her for who she is.

As such, her love for Sasuke does nothing but bring her shame and hold her back emotionally. After all, Sakura can be very self deprecating. As such, I feel that getting rid of those lingering feelings will only be good for her in the long run.

Honestly, the only way I could see SS happening, is through a fresh start. That would mean that both Sasuke and Sakura would have to sit down and actually get to know each other, just like how it's always been with NS.

Which...won't realistically happen.

[lord287]

Before someone reads my post don't think of me as an anti-NS because i am very big narusaku fan and supporter but some things are really troubling me about this pairing which genereally includes(what the heck which always include) sakura's feelings!! I don't know if u guys agree or not but I still think that she have not left her romantic feelings towards sasuke completely and chosen naruto!

If Kishi really makes SS and NH canon there's gonna be a lot of people that are gonna question what the hell was he thinking when developing Naruto's relationship with Sakura, here's a list of question that I can imagine:

1) Why make the hero selflessly love so much a girl (Sakura) just to make him change his mind at the last second and love another one (Hinata)? I'm sure that the majority of Naruto fans in Japan aren't even that dedicated to the romantic development as we are and I'm pretty sure many are already just calmly waiting for the moment that Sakura returns her feelings to Naruto, so if it doesn't happen there's gonna be a lot of confused people at the end of this manga.

2) Why make Yamato's unfinished sentence which had a romantic implication? If Kishi wasn't interested in hinting at Sakura's possible romantic feelings for Naruto then he should've left Yamoto's talk with Sakura at "What's important is how you feel about Naruto". That's a statement that could've gone either way but then Kishi felt the need to add "Sakura, I can tell just by looking at you, the truth is you-" and that's were he left it. Anyone with half a brain know that when a sentence like that gets started only to be interrupted it implies a romantic feeling, it's been done to death in many other anime. The fans in Japan know it and Kishi knows it so they'd be seriously questioning why he decided to tease people like that only for the outcome to be entirely different. That one is not about being bad at writing romance, that's just poor taste.

3) Why on earth make one of Kushina's wishes for Naruto to find someone like his mother? I'm pretty sure that no one believes that Kishi made Kushina say a statement like that simply at random, sure many mothers want their boys to find a good woman like them but in this case that statement carries to much weight to be ignored by anyone. You want to know why so many NH fans are obsessed at making Kushina and Hinata have the tiniest resemblance, it's because they are aware that the one Naruto's mother resembles the most in looks and mannerisms is Sakura, they truly know it but there is no chance they will ever admit it. This is one of the facts that got them truly scared, especially when you consider that by the following chapter Naruto reaffirms that he has followed many of her mother's advices and that he plans to do his best with the ones he still hasn't (like eating more vegetables).

You can't help but wonder why he decided to avoid the mention about finding a girl he likes, right? Kishi might plan to bring up that particular one later on maybe because Naruto need to be near the girl he likes in order to trigger that memory, therefore making it more dramatic. Now, anyone, please answer me honestly can you imagine Naruto remembering the "Find a girl like me" while looking at Hinata, what logical sense would there be if that scene happened? I'm 100% sure that if you asked a Japanese Naruto fan that didn't really care about parings which girl did Kushina resembled the most they would immediately say Sakura (that's the only answer that makes sense, anyone else would look forced).

If Kishi made Naruto start liking Hinata then what was the point of that sentence? Even if Kishi was a bad romance writer I'm sure that he knew what he was getting himself into when he chose to make Kushina say what she said. If he wanted to keep it vague he could've just made Kushina say "I know you'll want a girlfriend some day, just remember to find someone that loves you very much", actually now that I read it back what I wrote would actually imply NH more than NS. If I can accidentally make an NH hint as simply as that, then I'm sure Kishi really thought about what Kushina had to say very carefully before he wrote it down. I'm sure many people would question why he would make NH if what Kushina said clearly contradicted it.

4) Why make it a point that Naruto would go to any lengths just to make Sakura happy, even at the sacrifice of his own happiness just to make Naruto end up alone? Isn't this characteristic of Naruto something that Kishi portrays so that people can strive to be that way? I'm sure he wants to show Naruto as a selfless person as a lesson to egotistical people that being self centered is not a good quality. Can you imagine that after all Naruto does he ends up with no love to show for it? The search of love is one of the most important missions in life for many people. So taking that in mind can you imagine how saddened many people, who take Naruto as an example of how they should be, would be if Sakura just went to be with Sasuke, who represents the complete opposite of the characteristic Naruto shows.

It's a complete slap in the face to people who root for Naruto, it's like saying that wishing the best for someone will only cause for you to end up alone with no one to love. It's as if the lesson was that if you like a girl it's important to be rude, cold and completely selfish, that's the only was she'll like you back. But if you work hard to make a girl happy she'll always leave you for another guy. Kinda sad it's it? You could argue that because of Naruto selflessness he has someone like Hinata loving him, but guess what, not everyone has the luxury of having a Hinata to love us. If you want to find love you can't wait for it to come to you, you have to work hard and go to it, that's what I get from Naruto's devotion to Sakura.

5) Why make Jiraiya/Tsunade and Obito/Rin symbols of tragic love that was unfulfilled and then make it a parallel of Naruto/Sakura if not to communicate something. One of the main messages of the series is that the next generations surpasses the previous one and this is no different, which I'm sure that many other fans are aware of. If Naruto doesn't get Sakura not only is this message denied but it also gives the bad message that the kind of guy who would do all in his power for the girl he loves (Jiraiya always watching over Tsunade, and Obito convincing Kakashi of saving Rin) will never have anything to show for it, it will always end in tragedy.

The more I write this the more I'm convinced that Kishimoto would have lot to answer for if he didn't make NaruSaku happen. So many elements are in their favor, it's ridiculous: parallel, development and the important lessons this kind of love teaches. Kishimoto is one of the greatest writers in Japan as of now, so I refuse to believe he's just some stupid guy that doesn't realize the weight he has put into this paring. He know the weight of it and he know that his fan are aware of it too.

Damn this turned out to be longer than expected, but I hope you get my point.

I think i shouldn't have said SS and NH canon but SS or NH canon! I don't say they will be for sure but i am trying to say atleast SS still have its chances!

I read ur post carefully and i agree with you on the first and fourth point but other points I think(Earlier i used to think in same way that those were romantic but if u look at it from a view of an SS or NH fan) could have been great trolling by kishi because they never kind of directly imply to their feelings! In 2nd point yamato never completed his sentence so I think it was to make people think NS has made very huge progress. in 3rd point kushina said to choose someone like her but naruto never thoght of sakura in that way particularly in that moments(we all know though he loves her, but then why it wasn't given their as a moment where he says that he already love someone just like kushina).

the fifth point is also not useless but not very accurate to help turn NS canon according to me!

The thing which makes me think that SS is still not dead is-

1) that I don't see sakura's feelings towards naruto 100% romantic if I read chapter 573 correctly! I mean yes it was more of friendly and might be a romantic if we broke her sentnence into parts, but yeah it will be romantic only if we break her words into parts!
2)if kurama could have turned good after showing so much hatred for nearly more than 450+ chapter and then just in some few chapters he starts thinking of naruto as friend and then starts helpinh him so don't u all think that after sasuke and itachi finish with kabuto sasuke might start changing as well and then he also might show interest in sakura(I know i am being a little too hypothetical but this has a chance to happen) and by the time his fight with naruto also takes place and when he combines both naruto's thought and his brothers thoughts he becomes good and also acknowledge sakura's love!(atleast kurama became good after showing pure hatred towards all people and also not interacting with naruto in a friendly way at all way uptil 450+ chapters, so why can't sasuke whose useless THANK YOU to sakura might get some meaning later in manga, after all he did cared for naruto and sakura and others in part 1 and I personally don't find him as a criminal)


But I have to say james and many people over here have helped me gain back my hope in NS very much, though it was not like i lost complete hope in them or i was about to switch ships but thanks guys, U really did make me think over my posts and about chaapter 540 and other chapters! The only thing i say is we should not be fully confident in narusaku as it will happen for sure, because I see SS kind of still alive!

Edited by lord287, 17 April 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[redragon88]

I read ur post carefully and i agree with you on the first and fourth point but other points I think(Earlier i used to think in same way that those were romantic but if u look at it from a view of an SS or NH fan) could have been great trolling by kishi because they never kind of directly imply to their feelings! In 2nd point yamato never completed his sentence so I think it was to make people think NS has made very huge progress. in 3rd point kushina said to choose someone like her but naruto never thoght of sakura in that way particularly in that moments(we all know though he loves her, but then why it wasn't given their as a moment where he says that he already love someone just like kushina).

the fifth point is also not useless but not very accurate to help turn NS canon according to me!

Thank you for responding to my post. You say you have doubts about points 2, 3, and 5 right? Let me see what I can say in response

2) You think that Kishi made Yamato say the unfinished sentence only to mislead right? I can't agree with that only because it comes of as bad writing on Kishi's part. Given the good development he was giving Naruto and Sakura at the time, if he really only meant for them to be friends in the end this amount of misdirection comes of in bad taste. It gives the impression Kishi was just mocking the fans, giving them false hope. He's a better writer than that.

3) You wonder why Naruto hasn't mentioned he already loves someone like Kushina? I don't want to come off as rude but did you read my point #3 completely. I'm just saying it because I explained it there, this advice from Kushina will play later on when he reaffirms how much he loves Sakura. That's my opinion. Sorry if I sounded rude there, I hope I didn't offend you. I just want to make sure that you read all of that post.

5) If you feel that the parallels are not important enough to support NS as likely then I won't try to change you mind, after all you're entitled to your opinion. I personally believe it plays a huge role given Kishi's love of parallels in this story. And the next generation surpassing the previous one has been too important a theme throughout the story for me to ignore it just in this.

You worry Kishimoto might be trolling people just to have a laugh but I don't think he's the kind of person to do that to fans that have loved his manga and appreciated him and his work for more than a decade.

[Anguyen92]

But I have to say james and many people over here have helped me gain back my hope in NS very much, though it was not like i lost complete hope in them or i was about to switch ships but thanks guys, U really did make me think over my posts and about chaapter 540 and other chapters! The only thing i say is we should not be fully confident in narusaku as it will happen for sure, because I see SS kind of still alive!

All right, then, we're getting somewhere. So now, the question would be how would SS be canon in a way that does not seem too cliche/pretty phoned in writing which is Sasuke turns good, returns to the village, all is forgiven, and gets the girl, who happens to be the so-called main heroine, that the main protagonist always wanted to be with?

I'm asking this is because there are so many things that are working against SS throughout the series. Now then, just for the record, there were also a good amount of things that were working against NS, as well and, yet somehow, it feels like the next time NS meets up with each other, things are going to be the way it always will be, serious mood or light-hearted mood. I can't say the next time SS interacts that its all going to be all right. In fact, I can probably safely say that it may be the opposite which would probably end the possibility of them being canon once and for all or it may, somehow, end up being canon against all odds.

Edited by Anguyen92, 17 April 2012 - 06:59 PM.

[TerrorKing]

Which...won't realistically happen.

No, I don't think so either and even if it does, I don't think it will have a romantic outcome. As best, Sasuke and Sakura will become very good friends and maybe even comrades, but I don't see it developing beyond that.

Of course, I could be wrong.

SS isn't the only pairing in need of a reboot though. I think that in order for any of the "big three" to move forward, some sort of conversation is needed.

Edited by TerrorKing, 17 April 2012 - 07:21 PM.

[Dragunov]

No, I don't think so either and even if it does, I don't think it will have a romantic outcome. As best, Sasuke and Sakura will become very good friends and maybe even comrades, but I don't see it developing beyond that.

Of course, I could be wrong.

SS isn't the only pairing in need of a reboot though. I think that in order for any of the "big three" to move forward, some sort of conversation is needed.

It doesnt need a reboot. It needs an ass pull. And a big one at that.

[Phantom_999]

Heck Yeah!!! Anything non-nonsensical in a story would need a SERIOUS ass pull

[Jake]

I'm sorry, Lord, but you miss every single NS moment since Part 1 and are so focused and corrupted by Chapter 540 so much that you are completely over looking every other moment based solely around fear.

I am going to ask you the biggest questions/notions I ask to a biased NaruHina fan who can't even answer either.

1. How come every time Sakura just THINKS about Sasuke it is purely because she is deeply and madly in love with him, but if she EVER thinks about Naruto it is purely a friendship and platonic brotherly-sister relationship? Naruto thinks about Sasuke too does that automatically assume he is madly in love with him as well? A doube-standard question with a double-standard answer. Why couldn't Sakura think of Sasuke as a teammate or friend or better yet a past love? Past as in former. As in she doesn't love him anymore. I have such memories myself. I sometimes think of past relationships I have and think "Why did I even fall for them?"

2. If Naruto even looks at Hinata with a questioned look, it is PURE PRO-NARUHINA, but if Sakura HUGS Naruto it is a brotherly-sister thing? (Even hugging him the same way Kushina did.)Why the hell didn't Hinata hug Naruto then if she is so much in love with him? She should have been the first one RIGHT OFF THE BAT, pushing Sakura aside to be the first to hug him. Hell, AT LEAST hug him afterwords, but Kishi didn't even draw that. WHY? Hugging someone is a different cultural reaction in Japan than it is in America.

3. How come Sakura can think of Naruto even STATING TO STAND BY HIM [u]NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS is considered a "friendship" thing, but Hinata says she wants to hold his hand it is automatically a pro-naruhina moment? What if Hinata wanted to hold Naruto's hand in a friendship manner too? What if she wanted to back him up like a friend too? Because we know Hinata has the hots for him? Is that all that makes the difference?

4. SAKURA DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE ANY MISTAKES. LYING TO NARUTO IS A HUGE MISTAKE. If Sakura knew what Naruto was going to say even before she confessed, then why did she confess anyway? She could have just said "Naruto, I love Sasuke, but I don't want to lose you. I don't want anything bad to happen. Please don't do this." The scene COULD have played out just like that and I bet you. I BET YOU no one would even dare question it. Would we the NS have the right to say "Oh she was lying to manipulate Naruto?" I also think she is not that shallow or stupid that people keep claiming she is. Otherwise, Hinata is shallow and stupid too because she does the same things. I have pointed this out more times and constantly, you bring up Chapter 540. ONE PANEL I guess negates everything else that has happened in the manga.

Also mentioned that Sakura told Naruto, in a fit of anger no doubt, that he doesn't understand a woman's heart. Even from beginning of Shippuden, even Jiraiya berated Naruto for not seeing a girl's heart or understanding how woman act. That scene she blushed at Naruto and flirted with him, but this was just a sisterly gesture right? Doesn't your sister flirt with you and blush around you too? Maybe your friends?

5. WHAT IF SAI MEANT AS A FRIEND LOVE OR A BROTHERLY LOVE TOWARDS SASUKE? Naruto loves Sasuke like a brother, why couldn't Sakura? Why couldn't Sakura love Sasuke like a friend or brother as well? Like I said, it can happen where people change emotions about people or mistake feelings for something else.

6. If Sakura loves Sasuke so much, then why didn't she join him when she had a chance? Why didn't she keep the attitude she used to have in Part 1 and not give a crap about Naruto or any of it? She could have joined him at any moment in the manga and yet Kishi didn't do any of that. Speaking of which, if Sakura is so madly in love with Sasuke, why did she even make that side trip to Naruto in the first place? Isn't that just a waste of time and energy? Wouldn't it have been more effective just to go after Sasuke? Come on. If Sakura is so jaded, and shallow like everyone claims, she shouldn't even be giving a crap about Naruto. She shouldn't care at all with what he thinks or feels. "So what if Naruto loves me, I have the hots for Sasuke."

Look how Karin acted when she loved Sasuke and look how Hinata does around Naruto. Sakura acts NOTHING like that around Sasuke at all in Part 2, yet she acts like that around Naruto from time to time

7. IF NH AND SS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, THEN WHY HAVE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND INTERACTION BETWEEN THE NARUTO AND SAKURA? And I don't mean JUST romantic moments. I am mean EVERY moment from the friendly, to the casual, to even just saying "hi" to each other. When ever you read the manga, it is ALWAYS Naruto and Sakura together. 90% of the manga is nothing, but Naruto and Sakura interaction. The development itself from part 1 to now is centered all around Naruto and Sakura.

8. SasuSaku is dead. Sasuke killed it himself. There is no way around this logic. There is no magic way out. There is nothing. I am sorry people like to live in denial, but Sasuke has not once, not twice, but several times killed this pairing. If seeing Sakura during the Danzo fight did NOT change his ideas or change his thoughts, then nothing ever will. He doesn't care about her. He doesn't care about Naruto.

9. WHY THE HELL CAN'T CHAPTER 573 BE A PRO-NARUSAKU MOMENT? Because we don't want to see it as us being biased? Is this how every NaruSaku moment occurs we say "We don't want to seem biased, so it is not a moment." I say screw it. I say screw the NH fans, screw the SS fans, screw every other fan who disagrees, even screw my own people if they don't agree. I am tired of playing these games of trying to figure out what is a legitimate moment and what isn't when several scenes are very similar to each other. I am tired of having to down play NS scenes just because the other pairing fans get upset by it. Enough is enough. If they can't see the NS moments or disagree with us, that's too bad. I am tired of ignoring the obvious just so I can cater to the others when they won't even do the same for me.

If people want to claim that Naruto even acknowledging Hinata's existence is a NH moment, then chapter 573 is a PRO-NS moment. Especially when this scene itself has more backing to it than any NaruHina scene in this entire manga.

SAKURA IS STICKING BY NARUTO KNOWING THE FACT THAT HE IS GOING TO FIGHT SASUKE. KNOWING THAT EITHER ONE OR BOTH MIGHT DIE IN THE BATTLE. KNOWING THAT SASUKE HAS TRIED TO HER KILL AT LEAST TWICE, MAYBE MORE. KNOWING THAT NARUTO LOVES HER WITH ALL HIS HEART.

For someone who people claim she is madly in love with Sasuke, she is not doing much or thinking much of him. She is thinking about Naruto right now. She is not thinking "Oh, I hope Naruto comes through and brings my true love back." She is not thinking "Oh I am going to hold Sasuke's hand someday and have kids with him." If she is madly in love with Sasuke, I am expecting her to be portrayed like how Hinata is now over Naruto. Basing all her thoughts around him. Claiming goals to be with him. Trying everything she can to get his attention. She's not even doing that. What is she doing? Going after Naruto. GOING AFTER NARUTO.

*takes a big, long, deep, breathe*

Okay, sorry. Lost my cool there. It's frustrating when you keep bringing up chapter 540 and ignoring everything else that happened. You're looking at one tree and saying "I know how the forest is laid out."

NaruSaku is the ONLY pairing where there has been any back and forth interaction and reciprocation. Whether or not you believe it was a truth or a lie is irrelevant because of the act itself. The fact that it even happened is the proof. The fact that Kishimoto has this much interaction between two characters who we KNOW have feelings for each other is enough for me to say that this is direction he is going for.

Hinata loves Naruto. That is a fact. Another fact is that Naruto has made no attempt to reciprocate these feelings at all. To claim he never had a chance is down right a lie and there are many times where he could have.

Sakura used to love Sasuke. (The very fact that whether she still does is up for debate tells me something too) is a fact. What is also a fact is that Sasuke never reciprocated these feelings. It is also a fact that he tried to kill her and never thought twice about. What does that say?

Naruto loves Sakura. It has been confirmed time and time again. It is a fact. Does Sakura love Naruto? According to Kishimoto she does. Where does it say this?

The mother of all facts. The biggest PRO-NS fact is in a 2009 interview:


If the writer says she was being honest, you cannot say anything against it. You cannot deny the author himself when he says what he does, but people still want to say Kishimoto was lying to us. The things people will say just so they can be right.

Note: I keep editing this due to spelling and grammar errors. ><

I agree with what you said there.

Thank you for responding to my post. You say you have doubts about points 2, 3, and 5 right? Let me see what I can say in response

2) You think that Kishi made Yamato say the unfinished sentence only to mislead right? I can't agree with that only because it comes of as bad writing on Kishi's part. Given the good development he was giving Naruto and Sakura at the time, if he really only meant for them to be friends in the end this amount of misdirection comes of in bad taste. It gives the impression Kishi was just mocking the fans, giving them false hope. He's a better writer than that.

3) You wonder why Naruto hasn't mentioned he already loves someone like Kushina? I don't want to come off as rude but did you read my point #3 completely. I'm just saying it because I explained it there, this advice from Kushina will play later on when he reaffirms how much he loves Sakura. That's my opinion. Sorry if I sounded rude there, I hope I didn't offend you. I just want to make sure that you read all of that post.

5) If you feel that the parallels are not important enough to support NS as likely then I won't try to change you mind, after all you're entitled to your opinion. I personally believe it plays a huge role given Kishi's love of parallels in this story. And the next generation surpassing the previous one has been too important a theme throughout the story for me to ignore it just in this.

You worry Kishimoto might be trolling people just to have a laugh but I don't think he's the kind of person to do that to fans that have loved his manga and appreciated him and his work for more than a decade.

In chapter 505 Naruto didn't reply to any of the three vices directly, all he said about them was "Jiraiya-sensei taught me all about the three vices..." it kinda bothers me when people say that Naruto didn't say anything about women when he didn't say anything about any of the three vices, although I do agree that Sakura is like Kushina.

[CloudMountainJuror]

James... You left me speechless.

[Toasty Warrior]

Damn James... way to lay the smackdown.

[redragon88]

In chapter 505 Naruto didn't reply to any of the three vices directly, all he said about them was "Jiraiya-sensei taught me all about the three vices..." it kinda bothers me when people say that Naruto didn't say anything about women when he didn't say anything about any of the three vices, although I do agree that Sakura is like Kushina.

You're right about the three vices not being replied directly, but I still think that Kishimoto made Naruto generalize that comment in order to avoid directly mentioning Kushina's advice on women. What she said it too powerful to be ignored and I think it will come back later in some way.

That's just my personal opinion though.

[lord287]

Thank you for responding to my post. You say you have doubts about points 2, 3, and 5 right? Let me see what I can say in response

2) You think that Kishi made Yamato say the unfinished sentence only to mislead right? I can't agree with that only because it comes of as bad writing on Kishi's part. Given the good development he was giving Naruto and Sakura at the time, if he really only meant for them to be friends in the end this amount of misdirection comes of in bad taste. It gives the impression Kishi was just mocking the fans, giving them false hope. He's a better writer than that.

3) You wonder why Naruto hasn't mentioned he already loves someone like Kushina? I don't want to come off as rude but did you read my point #3 completely. I'm just saying it because I explained it there, this advice from Kushina will play later on when he reaffirms how much he loves Sakura. That's my opinion. Sorry if I sounded rude there, I hope I didn't offend you. I just want to make sure that you read all of that post.

5) If you feel that the parallels are not important enough to support NS as likely then I won't try to change you mind, after all you're entitled to your opinion. I personally believe it plays a huge role given Kishi's love of parallels in this story. And the next generation surpassing the previous one has been too important a theme throughout the story for me to ignore it just in this.

You worry Kishimoto might be trolling people just to have a laugh but I don't think he's the kind of person to do that to fans that have loved his manga and appreciated him and his work for more than a decade.

Well the first thing that will make me think that it was just a mislead is because he never was able to complete his sentence which could have turned into anything and not surely YOU LOVE HIM, it could have been U TRULY CARE FOR HIM also! and when sakura confessed to naruto in front of yamato and everyone else yamato's expression showed like he was kind of shocked to see that happen which made me think that he wasn't going to say that she loves naruto during their time on the bridge, but was going to say something else like caring or something like that!

But keep yamato and everyone aside the things that other characters think about naruto and sakura doesn't matter unless Naruto and sakura themselves say that they love each other(i mean Naruto definitely does but I am very much confused who sakura really loves in fully romantic way and not as a close friend after chapter 540). For me at least I don't want narusaku to happen until sakura's feelings towards naruto are given in a proper way without thinking about everyone being together(chapter 573, I consider it as NS moment but not as romantic one because she thought that everyone wil lbe together and not just they both! She CLEARLY STATED That they all will be together, so i cant consider it a romatic NS moment), but I know if NS has to happen it will happen nearly at the end of manga which maybe when Naruto vs sasuke is going on, or even better if sasuke turns good after fight with Naruto and she then states that over time she fell in love with Naruto but never really realised it fully and at that time naruto is going full power against 10 tails! For me best will be if she chooses Naruto over a good sasuke(if sasuke becomes good in the end which i think has to happen) and not a bad one because it will make me think that she just chose naruto because she saw sasuke is fully in darkness and never come back to her! best is sasuke comes back and then also, sakura choses naruto as who she loves more

Edited by lord287, 18 April 2012 - 07:11 AM.

[redragon88]

Well the first thing that will make me think that it was just a mislead is because he never was able to complete his sentence which could have turned into anything and not surely YOU LOVE HIM, it could have been U TRULY CARE FOR HIM also! and when sakura confessed to naruto in front of yamato and everyone else yamato's expression showed like he was kind of shocked to see that happen which made me think that he wasn't going to say that she loves naruto during their time on the bridge, but was going to say something else like caring or something like that!

I know that since the sentence was left unfinished it's still open for debate as to what Yamato wanted to say, but every time I see that chapter the atmosphere completely gives a vibe that he was meaning to say she loved him. I don't know about you but every time I hear of a sentence like that getting interrupted it usually mean love. I really don't know of cases where it turn out to be just about friendship. This kind of interruption is always done for the sake of keeping the drama and uncertainty going.

Even if it was obvious who loved who, the author still wouldn't make it official since those little uncertainties play a role in future arcs. Take for example Iron Country arc, if Kishi had already made Sakura's feelings for Naruto a known fact then her role in that arc would've been less dramatic. But if I'm honest I'm still wondering why Yamato got so agitated by Sakura's confession, I could understand if he had just acted confused but it seemed weird to see him get such an accusatory attitude on her. My personal believe is that he, like Naruto, found the whole thing way out of place and very much sudden, so he began wondering if she had other intentions. Maybe he thought that even though Sakura loved Naruto she still needed work on sorting out her feelings, so maybe her already admitting her love gave Yamato the impression it was too soon.

or even better if sasuke turns good after fight with Naruto and she then states that over time she fell in love with Naruto but never really realised it fully and at that time naruto is going full power against 10 tails! For me best will be if she chooses Naruto over a good sasuke(if sasuke becomes good in the end which i think has to happen) and not a bad one because it will make me think that she just chose naruto because she saw sasuke is fully in darkness and never come back to her! best is sasuke comes back and then also, sakura choses naruto as who she loves more

In this particular topic, you and I are on the same wavelength. I've already said before that in order for Team 7 to keep moving forward in all their bonds they need to be truly reunited and that can only happen with Sasuke's final redemption. Ever since Sasuke left Team 7 both Naruto and Sakura have done the best they can to hold on to the bonds that represented that team. If either Naruto or Sakura give up on those bonds then any hope for Team 7 being reunited will stop to exist. This fact was shown to us during the Iron Country arc through Sakura's actions, since she was determined to sever her bonds with Sasuke and therefore the hope of Team 7 being together again. Giving up on Team 7 will only result in a bad ending see as how because Sakura attempted to do so resulted in her nearly getting killed.

I'm sure that Sakura has slowly come to love Naruto but since Team 7 is not yet together then she cannot move forward with her feelings. Giving up on her love of Sasuke right know would mean giving up on any hope of seeing him become good again. Therefore she needs to cherish her love of him until he is redeemed. Only then can she forge new bonds with him and progress with her love of Naruto.

I'm sure that Naruto himself agrees with us. Naruto is determined to make Sakura like him but he doesn't want her to have an excuse in order to do so, remember how he told her when she confessed that it sounded like an excuse. Naruto wishes for Sasuke to be a possible romantic option for Sakura, which is impossible as of now but Naruto's working to change that. Only when Sasuke become someone which Sakura can once again pursue romantically and yet she decided to love Naruto instead, that is the moment when Naruto will truly be satisfied that she loves him unconditionally no matter what.

Edited by redragon88, 18 April 2012 - 10:37 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

James... You left me speechless.

Damn James... way to lay the smackdown.

Thanks, but I did lose my cool which is a big no, no. As logical as I am with my post, I could have done it differently. So it's best not to repeat the way I did it.

Even if there was no bashing per-se, it still was on-the-line. So reassured, I don't plan on repeating the performance.

[Don-kun]

That's exactly what I am thinking. She is doubting her feelings she once had for him and she might even be regretting it like ciardha said.

I am not going to deny it and say she is over Sasuke...yet, but I think at this point in time she is starting to rethink her emotions. The fact that she didn't look to happy is a good indication that she might not be happy or realizing that Sasuke is not who she thought he was.

Sakura knows that Sasuke doesn't love her, she know that he try to kill her, she knows he doesn't care about her, but just like Naruto she still believe, she still has faith that something good might happen between the two (Sasuke Naruto).

What 540 show me including all the things that happen between Naruto and Sakura, is that her romantic feeling for Naruto are there, her concern and friendly feeling are there too, that she cares more about Naruto more than what she cares for Sasuke, if Sakura can only choose one of them to live and the other twill die then Sasuke will die.

But if you honestly ask her wich of the two man she genuinely love more only in romantic manner, then that will be Sasuke.

The only question mark in that chapter, is where the love letter man told her, But there is one thing I know If it's some-Body you like then is bound to be to be a great person!
there is three ways to look at this:

1- Kishi's way: to show that he is planing to make the readers know that Sasuke will do something great that's way he will become a great person in Sakura's eye. Pro-SS What is really stup*d after all the crap he did to her plus try to kill her.

2- Sakura's way: for Sakura to move on she knows that Sasuke is not a great person, so how can she still love a goy like that? Plus that fact that Kishi hasn't given us a good reason why Sakura still have romantic feelings for Sasuke after all the crap he didcan only be described as a st*pid and shallow love she have for Sasuke. A-SS

3-Kishi's way: to say Naruto is destined and bound to be a great man, that means Naruto is destined to be love by Sakura.
This can be counted as another one of those parallel Kishi use for the NaruSaku bound.

Option two is nice, but option three is more realistic, since Kishe said that Sasuke will always be Naruto's opposite.

[lord287]

I'm sorry, Lord, but you miss every single NS moment since Part 1 and are so focused and corrupted by Chapter 540 so much that you are completely over looking every other moment based solely around fear.

I am going to ask you the biggest questions/notions I ask to a biased NaruHina fan who can't even answer either.

1. How come every time Sakura just THINKS about Sasuke it is purely because she is deeply and madly in love with him, but if she EVER thinks about Naruto it is purely a friendship and platonic brotherly-sister relationship? Naruto thinks about Sasuke too does that automatically assume he is madly in love with him as well? A doube-standard question with a double-standard answer. Why couldn't Sakura think of Sasuke as a teammate or friend or better yet a past love? Past as in former. As in she doesn't love him anymore. I have such memories myself. I sometimes think of past relationships I have and think "Why did I even fall for them?"

2. If Naruto even looks at Hinata with a questioned look, it is PURE PRO-NARUHINA, but if Sakura HUGS Naruto it is a brotherly-sister thing? (Even hugging him the same way Kushina did.)Why the hell didn't Hinata hug Naruto then if she is so much in love with him? She should have been the first one RIGHT OFF THE BAT, pushing Sakura aside to be the first to hug him. Hell, AT LEAST hug him afterwords, but Kishi didn't even draw that. WHY? Hugging someone is a different cultural reaction in Japan than it is in America.

3. How come Sakura can think of Naruto even STATING TO STAND BY HIM [u]NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS is considered a "friendship" thing, but Hinata says she wants to hold his hand it is automatically a pro-naruhina moment? What if Hinata wanted to hold Naruto's hand in a friendship manner too? What if she wanted to back him up like a friend too? Because we know Hinata has the hots for him? Is that all that makes the difference?

4. SAKURA DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE ANY MISTAKES. LYING TO NARUTO IS A HUGE MISTAKE. If Sakura knew what Naruto was going to say even before she confessed, then why did she confess anyway? She could have just said "Naruto, I love Sasuke, but I don't want to lose you. I don't want anything bad to happen. Please don't do this." The scene COULD have played out just like that and I bet you. I BET YOU no one would even dare question it. Would we the NS have the right to say "Oh she was lying to manipulate Naruto?" I also think she is not that shallow or stupid that people keep claiming she is. Otherwise, Hinata is shallow and stupid too because she does the same things. I have pointed this out more times and constantly, you bring up Chapter 540. ONE PANEL I guess negates everything else that has happened in the manga.

Also mentioned that Sakura told Naruto, in a fit of anger no doubt, that he doesn't understand a woman's heart. Even from beginning of Shippuden, even Jiraiya berated Naruto for not seeing a girl's heart or understanding how woman act. That scene she blushed at Naruto and flirted with him, but this was just a sisterly gesture right? Doesn't your sister flirt with you and blush around you too? Maybe your friends?

5. WHAT IF SAI MEANT AS A FRIEND LOVE OR A BROTHERLY LOVE TOWARDS SASUKE? Naruto loves Sasuke like a brother, why couldn't Sakura? Why couldn't Sakura love Sasuke like a friend or brother as well? Like I said, it can happen where people change emotions about people or mistake feelings for something else.

6. If Sakura loves Sasuke so much, then why didn't she join him when she had a chance? Why didn't she keep the attitude she used to have in Part 1 and not give a crap about Naruto or any of it? She could have joined him at any moment in the manga and yet Kishi didn't do any of that. Speaking of which, if Sakura is so madly in love with Sasuke, why did she even make that side trip to Naruto in the first place? Isn't that just a waste of time and energy? Wouldn't it have been more effective just to go after Sasuke? Come on. If Sakura is so jaded, and shallow like everyone claims, she shouldn't even be giving a crap about Naruto. She shouldn't care at all with what he thinks or feels. "So what if Naruto loves me, I have the hots for Sasuke."

Look how Karin acted when she loved Sasuke and look how Hinata does around Naruto. Sakura acts NOTHING like that around Sasuke at all in Part 2, yet she acts like that around Naruto from time to time

7. IF NH AND SS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, THEN WHY HAVE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND INTERACTION BETWEEN THE NARUTO AND SAKURA? And I don't mean JUST romantic moments. I am mean EVERY moment from the friendly, to the casual, to even just saying "hi" to each other. When ever you read the manga, it is ALWAYS Naruto and Sakura together. 90% of the manga is nothing, but Naruto and Sakura interaction. The development itself from part 1 to now is centered all around Naruto and Sakura.

8. SasuSaku is dead. Sasuke killed it himself. There is no way around this logic. There is no magic way out. There is nothing. I am sorry people like to live in denial, but Sasuke has not once, not twice, but several times killed this pairing. If seeing Sakura during the Danzo fight did NOT change his ideas or change his thoughts, then nothing ever will. He doesn't care about her. He doesn't care about Naruto.

9. WHY THE HELL CAN'T CHAPTER 573 BE A PRO-NARUSAKU MOMENT? Because we don't want to see it as us being biased? Is this how every NaruSaku moment occurs we say "We don't want to seem biased, so it is not a moment." I say screw it. I say screw the NH fans, screw the SS fans, screw every other fan who disagrees, even screw my own people if they don't agree. I am tired of playing these games of trying to figure out what is a legitimate moment and what isn't when several scenes are very similar to each other. I am tired of having to down play NS scenes just because the other pairing fans get upset by it. Enough is enough. If they can't see the NS moments or disagree with us, that's too bad. I am tired of ignoring the obvious just so I can cater to the others when they won't even do the same for me.

If people want to claim that Naruto even acknowledging Hinata's existence is a NH moment, then chapter 573 is a PRO-NS moment. Especially when this scene itself has more backing to it than any NaruHina scene in this entire manga.

SAKURA IS STICKING BY NARUTO KNOWING THE FACT THAT HE IS GOING TO FIGHT SASUKE. KNOWING THAT EITHER ONE OR BOTH MIGHT DIE IN THE BATTLE. KNOWING THAT SASUKE HAS TRIED TO HER KILL AT LEAST TWICE, MAYBE MORE. KNOWING THAT NARUTO LOVES HER WITH ALL HIS HEART.

For someone who people claim she is madly in love with Sasuke, she is not doing much or thinking much of him. She is thinking about Naruto right now. She is not thinking "Oh, I hope Naruto comes through and brings my true love back." She is not thinking "Oh I am going to hold Sasuke's hand someday and have kids with him." If she is madly in love with Sasuke, I am expecting her to be portrayed like how Hinata is now over Naruto. Basing all her thoughts around him. Claiming goals to be with him. Trying everything she can to get his attention. She's not even doing that. What is she doing? Going after Naruto. GOING AFTER NARUTO.

*takes a big, long, deep, breathe*

Okay, sorry. Lost my cool there. It's frustrating when you keep bringing up chapter 540 and ignoring everything else that happened. You're looking at one tree and saying "I know how the forest is laid out."

NaruSaku is the ONLY pairing where there has been any back and forth interaction and reciprocation. Whether or not you believe it was a truth or a lie is irrelevant because of the act itself. The fact that it even happened is the proof. The fact that Kishimoto has this much interaction between two characters who we KNOW have feelings for each other is enough for me to say that this is direction he is going for.

Hinata loves Naruto. That is a fact. Another fact is that Naruto has made no attempt to reciprocate these feelings at all. To claim he never had a chance is down right a lie and there are many times where he could have.

Sakura used to love Sasuke. (The very fact that whether she still does is up for debate tells me something too) is a fact. What is also a fact is that Sasuke never reciprocated these feelings. It is also a fact that he tried to kill her and never thought twice about. What does that say?

Naruto loves Sakura. It has been confirmed time and time again. It is a fact. Does Sakura love Naruto? According to Kishimoto she does. Where does it say this?

well i agree with most of ur opinions and points about narusaku but the only reason I thought chapter 540 was really an anti-NS moment because in that particular chapter the love letter nin was talking about the person she loves and then she never have thought of naruto! Even if she just would have thought of him or should have made any comment about naruto i would have considered it not as an anti-NS moment! I mean whenever someone talks about who sakura loves it always comes out that she loves sasuke(naruto says it, sai also said it, only person thinking sakura loved naruto was yamato and this made yamato really one of my favourite characters). I don't know now whether that could be consider anti-NS or not but I also don't think it can be considered an anti_SS moment. Atleast for me now that chapter 540 panel seems to be very confusing! I hope to see when sakura and naruto meet up now! Their conversation over there(if any of conversation happens) might clear all the problems or might just invite all the problems regarding narusaku!

I really hope I will be able to see a proper romantic NS moment which has feelings of sakura towards naruto in which she doesn't include sasuke or everyone but just naruto!

I think now I won't really say much about chapter 540 even if it still kind of bugs me! Thanks for this post of urs! It really helped me get my hopes up again for narusaku!

Sakura knows that Sasuke doesn't love her, she know that he try to kill her, she knows he doesn't care about her, but just like Naruto she still believe, she still has faith that something good might happen between the two (Sasuke Naruto).

What 540 show me including all the things that happen between Naruto and Sakura, is that her romantic feeling for Naruto are there, her concern and friendly feeling are there too, that she cares more about Naruto more than what she cares for Sasuke, if Sakura can only choose one of them to live and the other twill die then Sasuke will die.

But if you honestly ask her wich of the two man she genuinely love more only in romantic manner, then that will be Sasuke.

The only question mark in that chapter, is where the love letter man told her, But there is one thing I know If it's some-Body you like then is bound to be to be a great person!
there is three ways to look at this:

1- Kishi's way: to show that he is planing to make the readers know that Sasuke will do something great that's way he will become a great person in Sakura's eye. Pro-SS What is really stup*d after all the crap he did to her plus try to kill her.

2- Sakura's way: for Sakura to move on she knows that Sasuke is not a great person, so how can she still love a goy like that? Plus that fact that Kishi hasn't given us a good reason why Sakura still have romantic feelings for Sasuke after all the crap he didcan only be described as a st*pid and shallow love she have for Sasuke. A-SS

3-Kishi's way: to say Naruto is destined and bound to be a great man, that means Naruto is destined to be love by Sakura.
This can be counted as another one of those parallel Kishi use for the NaruSaku bound.

Option two is nice, but option three is more realistic, since Kishe said that Sasuke will always be Naruto's opposite.

I don't think the first point is valid at all! the greatest thing he might do is give naruto his eyes in the end before dying(if he is going to die) to fight 10 tails! As for rest of ur post above ur mentioned points, I HATE YOU for making me lose my hope(not much but not less also) in narusaku again ! I mean if she still have more romantic feelings towards sasuke than towards Naruto then it is better that she dies! I don't want naruto seeing sakura go with any other person! and also if she stil lloves sasuke and the chapter 540 thing was a PRO-SS moment then i don't think NS should happen(even though i will want it to happen) but then it will be just like naruto chosing hinata whereas he still will have more romantic feelings towards sakura! That kind of relationship can only hurt the person in real life! I want her to chose naruto only if she loves him more than sasuke in each and every way!

*EDIT*

If kishimoto makes sasuke do something greater than naruto which makes PRO-SS then for me surely kishi will not remain a very good writer(sorry, he will be the worst writer) because naruto is the main character and it should be naruto who has to do greatest things and not sasuke! He should stop giving so much importance to all uchihas! He is kittening making them as strong as jinchurikis! If I am right jinchurikis were supposed to be strongest and not uchihas but he always overpower the uchihas examples itachi, madara and he also made 1 tailed naruto lose to sasuke which really hurt me!

Moreover if kishi intended to act like u r saying in point 1 that is making sasuke do something great later on then he wouldn't have made a love letter nin say those words but some other more important character just as he made naruto say to sai that he loves sakura and not to any other ninja which coud have been passing by and on seeing how naruto looked at sakura asked him do u like her! It would have been totally different person and not an unnamed non important character if he was thinking any other thing to happen in future! I can guess many possibilities who could have asked sakura this question like mizukage or someone else more important!

Edited by lord287, 19 April 2012 - 02:53 PM.