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[Paptala]

I think everyone should be able to post their opinions on the chapter, whether negative or positive, so long as their being polite and respectful about it. It's good to discuss and consider every possibility. If you disagree, bring in evidence why you do. Simple as that.

No need for anyone to get offended when we're all supporting and hoping for the same pairing to be canon.

[RedDelicious]

Btw you double posted.

You're right. It was two seperate discussions, but I'll see if I can edit the second one away.

You could've just left my post there and leave it at that, you could've just kept it in your head "Nice try at acting the martyr." Instead you go out of your way for this -.- I never generalized people to be "in-denial" I just said there are times when I feel people look into it too much! Not for everything!!!!

Well, I'll quote you from your post, and maybe with an unbiased reading you can understand why I thought you were being much more hardcore than what you say now. I promise I won't mention it again after this post for this chapter or the next. (I'm not sure how you can say that you are a NS fan, while thinking that Sakura does not romantically love Naruto, but is madly in love with Sasuke.)

Sasuke is on her mind, and that really shattered my image of her telling Naruto "I love you" to be truthful. I'm sure she does love Naruto, but not in the romantic way. Many claim that Sakura only thought of Sasuke because she used to love him (in that panel) but really stop being in denial you all have to face that facts that Sakura is MADLY in love with Sasuke!!! I hate to admit it! Really! I'm a die hard NaruSaku fan and I love everything about it, but it's the truth.
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If you got anything to say to me about how this was an up or positive turn for NaruSaku please.
Do so.

[Yoshimoya]

You're right. It was two seperate discussions, but I'll see if I can edit the second one away.


Well, I'll quote you from your post, and maybe with an unbiased reading you can understand why I thought you were being much more hardcore than what you say now. I promise I won't mention it again after this post for this chapter or the next. (I'm not sure how you can say that you are a NS fan, while thinking that Sakura does not romantically love Naruto, but is madly in love with Sasuke.)

Once again you're simply analyzing my post to prove that I'm not a NS fan. Lol why are you out to get me? What if I was a fan that thought Sakura was in love with Naruto AND Sasuke? AM I NOT A NS FAN ANYMORE? I love all NS fans out there, but you're one very defensive NS fan. Attacking another NS fan, claiming he's not one anymore even when he CLAIMS to be? Sheesh. I'm not saying you have to accept the possibility that NS might not happen, as I have, but don't attack other NS fans that DO.

Plus: Haha, buddy. Check the date please. Did I not say I WAS OVER THAT.
I was one of the panicers who only saw the "chapter 540 spoiler" discussion thread. I only saw the "script" for that and not the fact that she was in a depressed state of mind thinking about him like that. Even so, this is too much...

Edited by Yoshimoya, 28 May 2011 - 10:52 PM.

[Derock]

People, I'm sensing more tension here. DROP it before I bring something unpleasant.

This is the part of Sakura haters that astouds me. Sakura is clearly supposed to be the readers insert. the character most like them, the most normal. The one the readers can most identify with. Its her journey of growth that is most tellable in the story and for the most part we see her growth as well.

We can undersatnd her confusion and pain over a broken heart and we can empathize and root for her when she sees Naruto the ncie guy offering his.

Here's the problem of why I feel people can't stand Sakura. While she's the most normal, also known as "the most human" of all the entire cast of the series according to Kishimoto, she's not a flashy character unlike Naruto and Sasuke who compare to, in the US/Western eyes, a DBZ/other typical stereotype-standard. In that meaning, I'm guessing in terms of a character, who have powers from the beginning, possibly at the time of their debut in the story. Hinata is flashy because not only one of the targets of fan-service *ahem her boobs* but she has powers. She's from the Hyuuga clan.

Lee was supposed to be human as well, like Sakura during the beginning of the Chunin Exams. But by the time we saw him fight, he also joined the flashy category because of his out-of-the average taijutsu and fighting style.

But that's how it is over here for the majority of the West. We like the flashy-flashy, stereotypical stuff that conversations can last for hours and hours. When it comes to something towards a character like Sakura who didn't have that kind of stuff at the start..., well the bashing starts. I think that it was the point that many Naruto fans who bash and can't stand poor Sakura because she didn't stood out like the rest of the cast, as much as Kishimoto tried the best he could for the main female lead. Hell, they still questioned why she's still around as the main female when, in their words, "couldn't hold the title as much as she could" towards other females like Hinata. I had that debate with a classmate of mine last week about Sakura and Hinata in terms of placement in the plot and popularity.

[jmf]

Another thing i keep thinking about is the possibility of Kishimoto going against the traditional shounen archetype when it comes to romances with this chapter it looks like that is the way he is going.

[Catwho]

'oh, looks like the love letter guy hit a sore spot.'

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

Best term in this entire thread to describe that panel. Lovernin hit a nerve.

[merryGOflava]

This is the moment that ciardha is referring to.

http://www.mangaread.../chapter-5.html

Though it is true that she ignored helping Naruto down from the tree in favor of helping Sasuke, but to fair, Naruto wasn't in any actual danger hanging upside down from the tree.

To me though, the scene acts more to display Sakura's compassion in general (trying to help a person when she believes they are in actual danger despite not liking that person), then a pairing moment.

The earliest solid (imo) pairing hint that I can remember is Sakura blushing, and thinking, "What is this feeling? This is Naruto!"

http://www.mangaread...chapter-13.html

I missed it the first time around I read it, and it was only after becoming a NaruSaku fan and retroactively reading through the manga again that I saw hints such as these sprinkled throughout the entirety of part one.

Also, I ran across this gem while going through my old stash of Naruto images :

shounen jump valentines spread? --Click here to view--

Would anybody be able to translate what's written next to Saukra?

now i wanna know what it says?....i hate it when people ignore something this cool . (or maybe someone already commented on this and i missed it?)

[Derock]

For that scan (which was already translated by NaruSaku fans in NF, while the NH fans were so desperate to drastistically change it) :

It was basically how Sakura was giving Valentine's Day chocolates for Naruto. In Japan, girls give boys chocolates/gifts on that day, while a month later on White Day, its the opposite as boys give chocolates/presents to girls.

[Ani]

Did that come out earlier this year or when exactly? Because I don't really remember seeing that.

[Paptala]

People, I'm sensing more tension here. DROP it before I bring something unpleasant.



Here's the problem of why I feel people can't stand Sakura. While she's the most normal, also known as "the most human" of all the entire cast of the series according to Kishimoto, she's not a flashy character unlike Naruto and Sasuke who compare to, in the US/Western eyes, a DBZ/other typical stereotype-standard. In that meaning, I'm guessing in terms of a character, who have powers from the beginning, possibly at the time of their debut in the story. Hinata is flashy because not only one of the targets of fan-service *ahem her boobs* but she has powers. She's from the Hyuuga clan.

Lee was supposed to be human as well, like Sakura during the beginning of the Chunin Exams. But by the time we saw him fight, he also joined the flashy category because of his out-of-the average taijutsu and fighting style.

But that's how it is over here for the majority of the West. We like the flashy-flashy, stereotypical stuff that conversations can last for hours and hours. When it comes to something towards a character like Sakura who didn't have that kind of stuff at the start..., well the bashing starts. I think that it was the point that many Naruto fans who bash and can't stand poor Sakura because she didn't stood out like the rest of the cast, as much as Kishimoto tried the best he could for the main female lead. Hell, they still questioned why she's still around as the main female when, in their words, "couldn't hold the title as much as she could" towards other females like Hinata. I had that debate with a classmate of mine last week about Sakura and Hinata in terms of placement in the plot and popularity.

I agree with this completely. Sakura started off as this vapid, immature, and love sick little girl. She was narrow minded and ignorant. Not to mention she was a twelve year old trying her best to fit in. But people don't seem to realize that she's grown world's beyond that initial character.

She is compassionate and strong, and does what she thinks is best for the people that she loves. Her emotions are a complete mess right now, but she's a teenage soldier, whose first love left her with no resolution and no closure to become an enemy that tried to kill her without mercy or hesitation. As frustrating and annoying as it can be to see evidence of her romantic feelings for Sasuke at this point, in all honesty, I can see it being something that it not easy to get over - especially if she's doing her best to avoid thinking on it too hard and preoccupying her mind with other things.

We can only hope that Sakura will get the chance to sort out her feelings, and get closure and resolution that she needs, just as Naruto did before her at the summit, at the waterfall of truth, and during his confrontation with Kyuubi.

Another thing i keep thinking about is the possibility of Kishimoto going against the traditional shounen archetype when it comes to romances with this chapter it looks like that is the way he is going.

Not sure exactly what you mean by this, as all Big 3 are common archetypes (HeroxHeroine/Tsundere ; AngtsydarkprettyboyxAverageGirl ; DorkyHeroxShyGirl).

Could you clarify what you mean exactly?

Edited by Paptala, 28 May 2011 - 11:34 PM.

[jmf]

I mean the hero/herione archetype that many shounen mangaka's use i just wonder whether or not Kishimoto is going another direction instead of going towards NaruSaku

[Ani]

Well he could if he reeeeeeally wanted to. But it still kinda seems unlikely at this point.

[jmf]

But doesn't this chapter prove that he is going with Sasu/saku and Naru/Hina? with sakura thinking of sasuke and hinata thinking of naruto.

[The Tax-Man]

I mean the hero/herione archetype that many shounen mangaka's use i just wonder whether or not Kishimoto is going another direction instead of going towards NaruSaku

If you said that in the beginning, I might agree. But right now with all the development and stuff, no. We tend to fall back at every thing we see and interpret it in the worst way possible, when that's not the way it is intended. Then we go on about how Kishimoto doesn't want NS while we were completely sure of it only yesterday after all the development and hints. Seriously...

Bottom line, be confident. Just not overconfident.

[Ani]

This chapter doesn't really prove anything, as in saying that it's not endgame. It's still too early to say what he's going to do. We'll just have to wait and see, since there's no use worrying about it right now.

[The Tax-Man]

This chapter doesn't really prove anything, as in saying that it's endgame. It's still too early to say what he's going to do. We'll just have to wait and see, since there's no use worrying about it right now.

Dude, the manga is more than half-over. No. It is absolutely not too early. And I am happy to say that as of now, NS seems very likely. Not proven, obviously, but very likely. And I don't even want to waste my time saying how. I'd be repeating everyone else.

But you are correct that this chapter doesn't do anything than start out towards Kishimoto's promise of making Sakura a better heroine.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 28 May 2011 - 11:55 PM.

[Ani]

I know it's more than half over, it's the last arc pretty much. And I honestly believe NaruSaku will be the endgame pairing. But I'm not gonna shout it out that "IT'S CANON" right now. That's all.

[The Tax-Man]

Well that pretty much summed-up my opinion too so .

We never thought about Naruto's perspective of all that's going on though. I mean what exactly does he want? And where is he heading with all this drama with Team 7? Something makes me think it's really not that simple for him anymore. And that he has another 'agenda', so to say.

[jmf]

I guess i have been lurking on narutofan and youtube too much alot of Anti-narusaku ppl on those sites.

[Ani]

We never thought about Naruto's perspective of all that's going on though. I mean what exactly does he want? And where is he heading with all this drama with Team 7? Something makes me think it's really not that simple for him anymore. And that he has another 'agenda', so to say.

He didn't know that a war was going on to protect him and Killer Bee until a few chapters ago. He wants to put everything on his shoulders and burden everything to end it. Not sure about what he's going to do, though.

I guess i have been lurking on narutofan and youtube too much alot of Anti-narusaku ppl on those sites.

It's best to stay out of areas such as anti-fanclubs and such. I only go to a few of the fanclubs on there and have them subscribed so that I don't have to worry about looking at any fanclubs and seeing what most of the people have to say. You won't have to worry about what they say if you don't know what they're saying in the first place. Besides, I think most of the time when stuff like this happens, you can already guess what the other party will think of it.