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#21 TheFirstEvil100

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 12:27 PM

 

Okay then. Thank you for the clarification.

Not to mention Hinata was making a scarf while her sister was getting her eyes torn out from her skull, so yeah I think we all have a right to hate Hinata as she is slefish and only cares for Naruto, just as 4life said.

 

As for what I hate about part 2 well lets see.

 

1 the kittening Uchiha clan all about the Uchiha and nothing more mainly kittening Sasuke and his god damn pain that we all need to feel sorry for this kitten, well you know what I don't Sasuke is a kitten end of story Itachi was better than his kitten younger brother.

 

2 the Retcons which I know that we all hate.

 

3 concept of reincarnation and destiny being affirmed i hate it and it not needed at all in any Naruto story I do I will NOT USING IT.

 

4 Neji dying for a piss poor reason, and Kushina being used in a way that makes me still feel sick.

 

5 part 2 and elements are discarded for Sharingan and I wanted to see more Konoha Ninja learn their own elements like Sakura, Ino Kiba and many others to see what they would do with them but not once again it was all about the Uchiha and the eye power they have.

 

6 Naruto going on and on and on about Sasuke when we all knew that Sasuke was a nut case.



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:05 PM

Naruto's obsession with Sasuke. that is all. and everything else that was said. 

 

Shall I elaborate? "Saving" his "best friend" Has suddenly become Naruto's life long goal instead of striving to become Hokage, and the most idiotic bs I've heard from Naruto's mouth(or one of) is that he equates being Hokage to saving one person. how are those things the slightest bit equal? Hokage is a leader, someone who has to make difficult decisions to protect his/her people. Compare that to saving one person (who clearly doesn't want to be saved may I add). And what is happening inside his head that makes him think Sasuke needs to be Saved? when has Sasuke EVER indicated that that he was doing things against his will? When I think about it, it actually makes Sense that Sasuke thinks Naruto doesn't understand his feelings, because the latter acts like the former is doing something that he has no say in or something. In other words Naruto wasn't respecting Sasuke's decision.

 

I was hoping that that the bond between them would end up like Xavier and Magneto. Two individuals who still respect and understand each other perfectly but can no longer consider themselves true friends because their ideals and solutions to their goals are completely different. That would have made much more sense wouldn't you think? But no, Kishkittens effed that up too  


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:58 PM

 

 

I was hoping that that the bond between them would end up like Xavier and Magneto. Tow individuals who still respect and understand each other perfectly but can no longer consider themselves true friends because their ideals and solutions to their goals are completely different. That would have made much more sense wouldn't you think. But no, Kisihkittens effed that up too  

 

 

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    Wish that Kishi would just stop trying to 'fix' Naruto, I guess that no one ever told him the phrase 'digging your own grave'. I will remember fondly the characters that made me love Naruto that were sacrificed at the all-mighty altar that is money (and crazy fan boys/girls).

Posted 05 October 2015 - 04:01 PM

 

I was hoping that that the bond between them would end up like Xavier and Magneto. Tow individuals who still respect and understand each other perfectly but can no longer consider themselves true friends because their ideals and solutions to their goals are completely different. That would have made much more sense wouldn't you think. But no, Kisihkittens effed that up too  

 

That's an excellent comparison!!! I would have loved to see that type of 'friendship' used at the end. It would have shown the rivalry between the two that Kishi and SP has harped on but still would have been realistic in the sense that Naruto and Sasuke would have been true people. And it would have shown that Naruto had grown from a desperate child looking for recognition into a true leader who knew what needed to be done. The way it was done made Naruto seem like a pathetic mewling child that only cared about getting recognition from his 'so-called' brother, Sasuke, instead of the rest of the village (though I guess he got that recognition after defeating Pain). It really is pathetic but we all know that.



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 10:40 PM

I was hoping that that the bond between them would end up like Xavier and Magneto. Two individuals who still respect and understand each other perfectly but can no longer consider themselves true friends because their ideals and solutions to their goals are completely different. That would have made much more sense wouldn't you think? But no, Kishkittens effed that up too  

Yep, even the X3 movie, despite how lame some things were, still highlighted that respect with Eric watching Charles die in total shock and disbelief, and clearly being angry at John when he spoke badly about Charles when he said he would've killed Charles if given the chance. ("Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you will ever know. My single greatest regret is that he had to die for our dream to live.") And we can even attribute it to how things go in Days of Future Past, with Charles learning about letting Eric and Raven make their own choices rather than "trying to control" them, but simply having hope for them and, as the future showed, the two did make amends and seeing the mistakes they both made with each other and whatnot.


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 10:42 PM

Yep, even the X3 movie, despite how lame some things were, still highlighted that respect with Eric watching Charles die in total shock and disbelief, and clearly being angry at John when he spoke badly about Charles when he said he would've killed Charles if given the chance. ("Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you will ever know. My single greatest regret is that he had to die for our dream to live.") And we can even attribute it to how things go in Days of Future Past, with Charles learning about letting Eric and Raven make their own choices rather than "trying to control" them, but simply having hope for them and, as the future showed, the two did make amends and seeing the mistakes they both made with each other and whatnot.

 

Even in the future of Days of Future Past, before it was changed by James' actions, Charles and Erik put aside their differences, even with Erik being distraught he and Charles spent years fighting only to be friends in the end.



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Posted 06 October 2015 - 12:43 AM

anything after Kaguya showed up plus the way Neji's death was handled 



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 02:25 AM

Sasuke only has 2 element before rinnegan.
Naruto only has one before all biju merge.
Sakura has none.
Kakashi has all element despite only show three in manga, and four in anime.

The rest of konoha 11 don't have or show in the manga elemental ninjutsu. Why? I think that give the character a distinct battle style. Eventhought all ninjutsu is learnable (except kekkei genkai), especially the three jutsu : taijutsu, (elemental) ninjutsu, and genjutsu.

My only problem is why sakura doesn't learn any genjutsu attack.

I think that's because :
1. All genjutsu feat goes to sharingan user.
2. All genjutsu user( except sharingan) only use it once.
3. It's too powerful. If the like like kisame, naruto(pre bm), jugoo, and suigetsu could fall to it. Then it would make sakura a revelant(strong) character or in this case useful.

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 11:02 AM

-Sasuke/Uchiha being centered
-Back then I was whatever with side characters not being spotlighted. After going back full time with other series, changed my mind. This is now a con.
-Biased focus on Naruto and Sasuke (including reincarnation)
-Too many plot twist that really aimed for shock value than story value
-Attempted to be edgy with its drama but follow-up and content are confusing and unnecessary
-Female characters are highly disappointing

It's all I can think of for now.

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 04:38 PM

I agree with all of you, couldn't type it better myself, especially with only uchiha clan in golden pedestal and with sasuke as it golden boy and mascot,and i like to add:

 

In early part 1 and 2, kishi makes us remember that the basic of being ninja is to conceal their presence and hide, and 3 ninja tactic taijutsu, genjutsu, ninjutsu were all forgotten when the author decide that susanoo, eye power, sharingan, mangekyo bla bla bla... kyubi mode rasengan, and kittening edo tensei is the only thing that matters.

 

What happen with stealth and conceal your present?? hey kitten that kitten when you can turn into giant purple samurai with absolute defense why need to hide?

What happen with taijutsu? i don't understand why they introduce rock lee as a drunken master when fight againts kimimaro but completely forgot about this in part 2

What happen with genjutsu? who need this useless thing when you have sharingan and kyubi that can dispel this useless technique

What happen with ninjutsu? apparently rasengan, kyubi mode, sage mode is the only thing the author give for his main hero, even after that paper training naruto discover he has wind afinity, zero meaning.

What happen with ninja tools like caltrops ? poor ninja tool only used ONCE againts zabuza. I wish this precious ninja tools can swap place with hinata so that hinata.

 

Maybe thats why yahagi left , he knows this manga is nothing more than a rip off from hunter x hunter.


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 05:03 PM

Itachi going from a genocidal maniac, and instead turned into a "good guy all along".

 

Sasuke becoming the main driving force behind the story instead of staying as, and developing into a better villain character.

 

Sasuke's cancerous relationship with Naruto and Sakura turning both into crying weakleakings during key moments of the story.

 

The War Arc.

 

Madara being built up as a genuis powerhouse and a genuine evil person, only to be turned into a man who was tricked by an ancient Goddess.

 

Orochimaru is really a good guy in the end! ... wait what? Yes that's kittening canon!

 

Every intersting character who died, and those we didn't know about but only hear about, all come back to life instead of Kishimoto just relying on the cast of character he already had built up.

 

Sasuke decided to try to assissnate the leaders of all of the villages.... nothing comes of this in the end.

 

Sasuke becoming a "good guy" again at all is ridiculous. That he was never punished and in the end was reward with Sakura is disgusting.

 

Women are mostly turned into trophies in the end. Their value, and how "succesful" of human beings they are ends up ammounting to "Did they get the D from the guy they wanted? Or did they have to settle for someone else?" Which basically means in Kishimoto's eyes Ino is a failure as a person.

 

Except for Hinata who gets her man because when you got kittens like her's, kitten get's done behind the scene thanks to SP. Which in reverse turns Naruto into her reward for all the positive things she did in the story. I mean seriously she didn't forget to say Naruto-Kun once, and I know Pokemon has made repeating one word over and over look easy but trust me it's not.

 

The realization that evey major conflict in human history since the whole "people can use chakra" thing happened, ended up being about one thing in the end. Bringing back the Rabbit Goddess..... since Black Zetsu was pulling all the strings from the beginning. The ninja system wasn't the problem at all. Humanity has no weaknesses in the level, they only can get tricked into being bad.

 

The ninja system stays around despite the fact that there is supposedly no need for warriors anymore. Despite this child soilders is so ingrade in their culture that parents expect their kids to die if need be, even though the village system is now set up for constant peace.

 

The evil that is a part of the human condition is brushed aside as not mattering. Everything from murder, slavery, indebted servitude, genoicde, human experimintation, and a system that doesn't value free will is rewarded in the end. No one is punished for their actions, and Kishimoto even tries to make it look like Madara wasn't really a bad guy in the end.... what what what?!!?!?

 

The tailed beast and the Sage even existing. Originally it was just the nine tails.... and then the demon that was inside Gaara was said to be "like the nine tails".... later we find out that these "tailed beast" are a part of the ninja system. We then also learn that Naruto's mother also had the nine tails inside her, yet with all this information gathered rereading early part one doesn't make any sense. Why the hell would people think Naruto IS the demon fox when eveyone knows that these beast are simply put into host bodies in order to portect the villages? People may not like them, but the Leaf village canon wise is shown to accept the host since they all loved Naruto's mother and where happy that she was the first lady of the leaf..... then like two weeks later after the fist couple is murdered the leaf turn against the new host..... despite the fact that they should all still be used to it to an extent and all should have a reason to take the 4ths request that Naruto be seen as a hero more honestly. Instead Naruto is thrown aside... why?

 

For some reason no one bothers to tell Naruto he is basically the son of the most famous couple of the Leaf who died for him. For no apparent reason. Why didn't the Third just say "Ladies and Gentleman the 4th and his wife gave up their lives in order to protect the village. Before they died though they were able to give life to their child, and then had to make a terrible choice. They decided to place the beast inside of their new born in order to protect us. Which means it is the job of this entire village now to make sure their child is raised correctly under the ideals that his parents lived and died for." Instead we got "This is the new hero kid...respect him." and for some reason the rest of the ninja village decided to forget about the world they live in, and just hate Naruto.... why?

 

Why? BECAUSE THIS STORY WASN'T PLANNED OUT FROM THE START! despite the claims of the pro ending fanbase.

 

Along this line the quesiton of how Jiraya and Kakashi didn't figure out that Naruto was the son of the 4th makes even less sense. If they knew before hand that he was his son makes it even worse! It means that two succesful career driven men, who cared about his parents, allowed their son's formative years to be lonely and broken. They latered showed they had no problem becoming father figures to Naruto, so why the hell did they wait so long to teach the kid that he could be loved?

 

Since Itachi was changed from homicidal murder into loyal solider of the leaf, it did two things that still divide up the fanbase. First it made it canon that the Uchiha were willing to kill fellow members of the village so long as their family attained power. Secondly it made it so Itachi's torturing Sasuke for years in order to "Give him strengh to rebuild the clan" was a sign of "love" instead of what it originally was suppose to be, the sign of a homicidal killer who enjoyed toying with his borther's mental state of mind.

 

Sasuke's "Revenge" theme ended with a popcorn fart instead of a final last stand. Today despite all his actions, he essentially works for the Leaf even if he isn't comfortable enough to be around them. That's right Sasuke Uchiha is now just the strongest warrior of the leaf villages arrisnal, and is "just super cool". Despite all the actions he tooked against the Leaf to begin with.

 

Sakura never surpasses Tsnuade in any measureable way in the end. Tsnuade is still working at the front of medical technology, and is still trying to improve her skills even though she is technically a retired Hokage and has every right to just sit around all day is she wanted to. Sakura on the other hand is living as single mother, is completely in debt, and destroyed her house because her daughter asked why their father abdnonded them.

 

Naruto became the very kind of person he originally hated. In the end he has little to do with his family, did nothing to change the system in any meaningful way, doesn't protect the weakest, and in the end is Hokage pretty much because he is the most popular. He also isn't above using underhanded tactics to get what he wants, including trying to sleep with Sakura simply because he thought it would upset Sasuke, and forcing Tsnuade to retire from being Hokage despite the obvious fact that she is still able to work.

 

I can go on. Like a mosquito on a nudist beach I really have a hard time deciding where to start and end becuase their is just so much out there to work with. I may come back to this later, but this is enough for now.



 


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 05:33 PM

How the hell could they have kept Naruto's identity a secret when he looks just like a minurature version of the previous Hokage?

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 05:40 PM

How the hell could they have kept Naruto's identity a secret when he looks just like a minurature version of the previous Hokage?

Well it helped that everyone in that universe is a moron.

Remember SP's movie The Lost Tower or Towers (don't remember the exact name), where Naruto himself meets Minato. And he not even for a second does he recognize him. God that movie was so stupid.

He even meets Kakashi as a kid and Kakashi looks exactly the same but a kid duh. And Naruto doesn't recognize him either, until Minato says Kakashi.

 

I bet you any money that some of the people that worked on that movie also worked on The Last.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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    Wish that Kishi would just stop trying to 'fix' Naruto, I guess that no one ever told him the phrase 'digging your own grave'. I will remember fondly the characters that made me love Naruto that were sacrificed at the all-mighty altar that is money (and crazy fan boys/girls).

Posted 07 October 2015 - 05:56 PM

How the hell could they have kept Naruto's identity a secret when he looks just like a minurature version of the previous Hokage?

 

 

Well it helped that everyone in that universe is a moron.

Remember SP's movie The Lost Tower or Towers (don't remember the exact name), where Naruto himself meets Minato. And he not even for a second does he recognize him. God that movie was so stupid.

He even meets Kakashi as a kid and Kakashi looks exactly the same but a kid duh. And Naruto doesn't recognize him either, until Minato says Kakashi.

 

I bet you any money that some of the people that worked on that movie also worked on The Last.

 

I was wondering if an ANBU masks have some sort of genjutsu that makes people not realize who is under the mask. But yeah, I mean Jiraiya is Naruto's godfather (does Jiraiya ever tell Naruto that he is Naruto's godfather? I can't recall), and Jiraiya was the one who named Naruto after his character. I just think that Kishi wanted to keep stretching out the 'suspense' about Naruto's heritage even though we never find anything about it aside from the names of his parents.



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 07:50 PM

Itachi going from a genocidal maniac, and instead turned into a "good guy all along".

 

 

That was actually Kishi's idea since part 1 though


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 10:16 PM

 

 

 

I was wondering if an ANBU masks have some sort of genjutsu that makes people not realize who is under the mask. But yeah, I mean Jiraiya is Naruto's godfather (does Jiraiya ever tell Naruto that he is Naruto's godfather? I can't recall), and Jiraiya was the one who named Naruto after his character. I just think that Kishi wanted to keep stretching out the 'suspense' about Naruto's heritage even though we never find anything about it aside from the names of his parents.

No, Jiraiya never tells Naruto that he is his godfather. The reason for that is because Kishi never actually thought about the details until the last second. The story wasn't thought-out in length. If I were to guess it was planned about 2 or 3 chapters ahead maybe a little more then the next 2-3 chapters then the next and so on.
 

One of the problems with Naruto is that the story wasn't planned from day 1 and that includes the ending of course. And I don't mean Kishi should've written the entire story and then release it week after week. I mean he should've planned how the story will go, what would happen, how it would happen, etc. in general and then after he got an idea of what he wanted then worry about the details and how the details would connect with what was established before; carefully making sure it doesn't seem contrived or contradicts the pre-established lore.

 

But that's not the case with Naruto. Part 1 it looks like it was planned, not perfectly but it was planned. Part 2 however he was just winging it, he was always winging it with part 2. And as for the ending, he didn't care. He just wanted to be done.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 10:19 PM

 

That was actually Kishi's idea since part 1 though

You'll have to show me eviedence of that. Everything I've read about it, including videos I've watched talking about the series, says that Itachi was originally what he was set up to be. A mass murder.



 


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 10:41 PM

You'll have to show me eviedence of that. Everything I've read about it, including videos I've watched talking about the series, says that Itachi was originally what he was set up to be. A mass murder.

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 08:13 AM

No, Jiraiya never tells Naruto that he is his godfather. The reason for that is because Kishi never actually thought about the details until the last second. The story wasn't thought-out in length. If I were to guess it was planned about 2 or 3 chapters ahead maybe a little more then the next 2-3 chapters then the next and so on.
 

One of the problems with Naruto is that the story wasn't planned from day 1 and that includes the ending of course. And I don't mean Kishi should've written the entire story and then release it week after week. I mean he should've planned how the story will go, what would happen, how it would happen, etc. in general and then after he got an idea of what he wanted then worry about the details and how the details would connect with what was established before; carefully making sure it doesn't seem contrived or contradicts the pre-established lore.

 

But that's not the case with Naruto. Part 1 it looks like it was planned, not perfectly but it was planned. Part 2 however he was just winging it, he was always winging it with part 2. And as for the ending, he didn't care. He just wanted to be done.

I believe it was a Dreamworks story rule or something like that - come up with the general ending early on so you have a clearer path to take with your story.


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Posted 08 October 2015 - 09:15 AM

Everything after Pain arc. Was Kishi just winging it!


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