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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If I will find the picture, I'll link it to you

 

Found it

 

Well sounds like i was half right.

Due to his answer sounds like he did it to make people sympathize with the characters but never thought of making them canon which later he says "Maybe at least one case will be requited".

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know I wonder if most fans go against the obvious pairs to because thy don't won't it to be obvious or just because they have to defy were the series is going or what the creator wants?

Well I don't mind obvious pairing. It just needs to be convincing and well developed for me to care more. If it's done, well I can still care, just make sure it's handle right. If it's in progress, make sure it works well before becoming official.

[Chatte]

Well sounds like i was half right.

Due to his answer sounds like he did it to make people sympathize with the characters but never thought of making them canon which later he says "Maybe at least one case will be requited".

I don't know how old is this interview though... But considering he decided to return the feelings of one character, it's not such a rocket-science to figure out which one. ;-)

[BlueStarSaber]

Well I don't mind obvious pairing. It just needs to be convincing and well developed for me to care more. If it's done, well I can still care, just make sure it's handle right. If it's in progress, make sure it works well before becoming official.

 

Yeah I don't mind either, sometimes it helps the plot. I wonder though when NS becomes canon I know that the internet will explode with anything related to Naruto will those who against it go back and look how it happened or do what Zutara fandom did after Kataang became canon? I also wonder how Youtube reviewers will be like as well?

[Strangelove]

Which do you prefer more? Series with pairing wars that keep you guessing on the final pairing, or series that make the end couple so blindingly obvious it's impossible to have a pairing war?

 

I tend to like the more obvious ones myself. It avoids all of this needless bashing and threatening and so on.

 

 

Btw, how do I put 'polls' on these topics? I can't figure that out.

 

Obvious ones

 

Eg

 

FMA, it was an obvious giveaway that Ed and Winry would end up together.

 

Inuyasha, pretty obvious there as well.

 

Naruto, pretty obvious that is Naruto and Sakura are the end couple here.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Yeah I don't mind either, sometimes it helps the plot. I wonder though when NS becomes canon I know that the internet will explode with anything related to Naruto will those who against it go back and look how it happened or do what Zutara fandom did after Kataang became canon? I also wonder how Youtube reviewers will be like as well?

Personally, I don't care too much if the romantic partner is a normal person as in never get involved in combat or have any backstory, outside of main character's love interest. It's rather dull at time and if anything, just confirm it and build up from there, which is why Yu Yu Hakusho did that. So if the love interest is in combat, it would be best to have it obvious and not confirmed until when the time is truly right.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 October 2013 - 04:51 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

The love triangle isn't as fleshed as shoujo or romance stories because in here, Sasuke has no love being shown and love triangle usually have all links connected, so this one is actually easier to notice the obvious pairing.

 

That's true, Sasuke's more like the unwilling third wheel.

 

I don't have a lot of experience with Shoujo, but one example I can think of for a series that had multiple possible love interests is Clannad, I'm not sure if it was a Shoujo or not?  But Tomoya had interaction with a few different female characters that he could have ended up with (except Fuko; their relationship is way too annoying-older-brother-teases-little-sister like for me to ever consider them together), but I never had any doubt he would end up with Nagisa. The two of them, I felt, had the strongest development and greater presence than the other possibilities.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

Sometimes I think the pairing wars go too far and appear to be ridiculously stupid. I'm friends with an author, and the pairing he has in his book is so blindingly obvious that you'd have to be an idiot to deny it.Some of the messages he gets are just...I don't even know how to say it. I just don't understand why people try and turn the facts around. There was one guy who really got on his nerves because he made arguments out of things that aren't even in his book! When you're arguing against the author of the book you just read, I'm pretty sure he or she knows a lot more than the readers.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
That's true, Sasuke's more like the unwilling third wheel.
 
I don't have a lot of experience with Shoujo, but one example I can think of for a series that had multiple possible love interests is Clannad, I'm not sure if it was a Shoujo or not?  But Tomoya had interaction with a few different female characters that he could have ended up with (except Fuko; their relationship is way too annoying-older-brother-teases-little-sister like for me to ever consider them together), but I never had any doubt he would end up with Nagisa. The two of them, I felt, had the strongest development and greater presence than the other possibilities.

It's based on a game and man, they sure did a great job on it. Well, in those games, you can choose who you end up with, though I believe the anime version is the "real" choice in general. By that, I mean even though you can pick other, the one that seems canon by the creator is the one that would be centered.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

It's based on a game and man, they sure did a great job on it. Well, in those games, you can choose who you end up with, though I believe the anime version is the "real" choice in general. By that, I mean even though you can pick other, the one that seems canon by the creator is the one that would be centered.

 

I do not know that. I knew there was a game, but I was under the assumption that it was based on the series, not the other way around.  Interesting.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I do not know that. I knew there was a game, but I was under the assumption that it was based on the series, not the other way around.  Interesting.

Yea. Seems like the best adaption bar none.

[rikakim94]

Sometimes I think the pairing wars go too far and appear to be ridiculously stupid. I'm friends with an author, and the pairing he has in his book is so blindingly obvious that you'd have to be an idiot to deny it.Some of the messages he gets are just...I don't even know how to say it. I just don't understand why people try and turn the facts around. There was one guy who really got on his nerves because he made arguments out of things that aren't even in his book! When you're arguing against the author of the book you just read, I'm pretty sure he or she knows a lot more than the readers.

 

what book is it? Im curious. 

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

 

what book is it? Im curious. 

You know the user 'Dalton (I stink at names)'? He's the author I was talking about. We're friends.

 

The book is titled: Chris Lynheart

Edited by Fairy Tail Fantard, 27 October 2013 - 08:26 PM.

[KnS]

Which do you prefer more? Series with pairing wars that keep you guessing on the final pairing, or series that make the end couple so blindingly obvious it's impossible to have a pairing war?

 

As I've mentioned out here before, Naruto is the only manga I read so I really can't say much about manga as a storytelling medium.  I have to rely on my experience with literature.

 

Generally speaking, if an author constructs their story well the intended pairing(s) becomes obvious as you move through the book or series.  Sometimes it's immediate.  The foundation for the relationship has to be set down, and then built upon as the plot moves along or it wouldn't be much of a relationship, would it?

 

Authors can try to muddy the waters for the sake of entertainment -- as Kishimoto has certainly done -- by introducing conflict or other characters as romantic options but usually, despite the smoke and mirrors, the depth and viability of one relationship is above the other possibilities.  The key is the feelings of the main character or characters. 

 

That doesn't mean readers won't take an opposing position.  I know fans of other series who delight in bucking the author's intentions.  They can't seem to help themselves.  They prefer to go off on their own tangents and imagine what the story would be like if it weren't like it is, and then slip into an attitude of entitlement when it doesn't happen.  

 

There's also always a faction of fans who presume they know better than the author, and insist that if the story's creator is any good he/she will not "stoop to the obvious."  *sigh*  A pairing is often "obvious" because it's what the author has been writing.  Derp.

 

I never understand when fans champion pairings that have little or zero canon support, but it happens all the time.  I mean, there are probably people who've read Jane Eyre and rooted for Rochester to marry Blanche Ingram.  SMH    As long as there are stories with more than two people in them, there will be pairing wars.  

 

In terms of the original question, I'm not sure I can answer it as stated.  I prefer whatever pairing the author is writing because then I feel free to emotionally invest in what happens to them.  When pairings are not obvious I can enjoy that too, as long as it's well written.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

 

As I've mentioned out here before, Naruto is the only manga I read so I really can't say much about manga as a storytelling medium.  I have to rely on my experience with literature.

 

Generally speaking, if an author constructs their story well the intended pairing(s) becomes obvious as you move through the book or series.  Sometimes it's immediate.  The foundation for the relationship has to be set down, and then built upon as the plot moves along or it wouldn't be much of a relationship, would it?

 

Authors can try to muddy the waters for the sake of entertainment -- as Kishimoto has certainly done -- by introducing conflict or other characters as romantic options but usually, despite the smoke and mirrors, the depth and viability of one relationship is above the other possibilities.  The key is the feelings of the main character or characters. 

 

That doesn't mean readers won't take an opposing position.  I know fans of other series who delight in bucking the author's intentions.  They can't seem to help themselves.  They prefer to go off on their own tangents and imagine what the story would be like if it weren't like it is, and then slip into an attitude of entitlement when it doesn't happen.  

 

There's also always a faction of fans who presume they know better than the author, and insist that if the story's creator is any good he/she will not "stoop to the obvious."  *sigh*  A pairing is often "obvious" because it's what the author has been writing.  Derp.

 

I never understand when fans champion pairings that have little or zero canon support, but it happens all the time.  I mean, there are probably people who've read Jane Eyre and rooted for Rochester to marry Blanche Ingram.  SMH    As long as there are stories with more than two people in them, there will be pairing wars.  

 

In terms of the original question, I'm not sure I can answer it as stated.  I prefer whatever pairing the author is writing because then I feel free to emotionally invest in what happens to them.  When pairings are not obvious I can enjoy that too, as long as it's well written.

 

 

Good post. And the bolded right there, I have such a peeve concerning readers like that, thinking that they know the story and characters better than the person who conceived it.  I don't understand the logic in believing that a pairing must be 'unexpected' to be good, or that pairings that follow a certain trope are automatically bad because they are 'overused'. It's the execution that matters.

[James S Cassidy]

The love triangle isn't as fleshed as shoujo or romance stories because in here, Sasuke has no love being shown and love triangle usually have all links connected, so this one is actually easier to notice the obvious pairing.

 

Actually, we can take this even farther, 4life.

 

 

In more successful love triangles and even in harems for that matter, you always have the main character face conflict in the ways of love. More or less, who do they love more? Here, Naruto never had such a conflict. Even with Hinata, he never wavered in his feelings nor went through which girl he loves more or whether or not is the best choice. He has always known that he loves Sakura. Sakura was the only one with the conflict and usually when it is the girl that has the conflict with the main character she always ends up with him in the end.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Actually, we can take this even farther, 4life.
 
 
In more successful love triangles and even in harems for that matter, you always have the main character face conflict in the ways of love. More or less, who do they love more? Here, Naruto never had such a conflict. Even with Hinata, he never wavered in his feelings nor went through which girl he loves more or whether or not is the best choice. He has always known that he loves Sakura. Sakura was the only one with the conflict and usually when it is the girl that has the conflict with the main character she always ends up with him in the end.

Bingo.

It's funny because in harem, the main character only go for one. The other options are there for people amusement and if make a game, people would be pairing up. Like "I want to go out with that samurai girl." But yeah, you got the point.

[Hanabi]

^ that sounds like ranma 1/2 ^^ been re-reading that recently x)

[rocci]

@hanabi
I believe what NS4life mean is love hina.

@james
I agree, in this manga the love triangle that acknowledge by author is the narusakusasu. And it's a rare thing to has a two boys one girl love triangle setting in shonen manga. So far in shonen, i only find two series that have this kind of setting, and that is slamdunk and school rumble.

[Inferno180]

Well its a matter of which became obvious, rather which pairing became more obvious over others as time went on.

 

I mean NaruSaku, NaruHina, and SasuSaku all had "the right stuff" to develop into good pairings from a baseline.

 

NaruSaku as the loser boy loves the girl who loves the talented boy

 

NaruHina as the shy insecrue girl always liked the outcast boy

 

SasuSaku as the good girl loves the bad boy.

 

We got the love chain of Hinata loves Naruto who loves Sakura who loves Sasuke who doesn't give a crap.

 

But thats just it, as time went on, the validity and chance of each shifted.

 

SasuSaku took a big detour and delay with Sasuke running off cause Sasuke was a power hunger jerk obsessed with revenge.

 

NaruSaku and NaruHina however improved over part 1.

 

NaruHina mainly left off at the end of the chunin exams with Hinata.

 

Narusaku however soared during the events like her discovering Naruto, not sasuke saved her from Gaara and then of course the promise and her own resolve to help Naruto, heck that scene where she smiles and says "I beg you, I trust you completely." Basically it was a postive outcome for Naruto out of his failure to get Sasuke back, while he didn't succeed with Sasuke, he had managed to succeed with Sakura and even inspired her to do much better for Naruto and herself.

 

When part 2 began, we could say that NaruSaku and NaruHina were about even, not much had been advanced in NH so it was largely untapped at the time, NaruSaku obviously got some progress over the course of part 1 going from her hating Naruto to being great friends and trusting him.

 

But that was it, part 2 came up with more naruto and sakura focused stuff. Revealing the 9 tails, discovering the removal of a bijuu causes a jinchuriki to die, learning about the akaskuti, seeing the 4 tails, yamato's input, failing to get sasuke to return, offering to feed naruto after he told her that it felt like they were getting closer to sasuke, the hug, the reveal from sai to sakura, the land of iron events, the hope for the good ending to team 7, sakura's notion to not let naruto handle everything himself, her rally speech at that, etc.

 

Much NS stuff just kept piling on, in both small casual and larger meaningful moments. NH had plenty of chances and even acceptable times it could have been shown and displayed, but it didn't. Its far past that point now. Since 631 caused such a calamity, with next chapter's inevitable talk no jutsu event from Naruto to Obito, well Naruto has seen Obito's memories including how he loved and lost Rin. Naruto mentions anything love related to Sakura, the event will just again show Naruto still loves her.

 

NH had many many many chances to develop. In all that time, kishi chose pain and 615 yet neither has advanced that much. NH had a golden era to advance, the time between 469 to 631, kishi could have developed more with Naruto and Hinata if he seriously did want to end NS with the I hate people who lie to themselves line. But in all that time, not once did Naruto respond to Hinata nor show his feelings having changed towards Sakura. Not one moment in the war arc did Naruto and Hinata have enough screentime to advance their relationship, even with the short meeting of him telling her she is stronger than she thinks, it was so minor, again it really didn't go anywhere. NH didn't go much further, the hand holding which many saw as important, it has quickly been smoldered by other events like 631. Not to mention, 631 just made a big connection of Sakura to Kushina, even as minor as it was, shes still the only girl compared to Kushina in anyway shape or form canonically.

 

As for SS, well the land of iron events and 635 speak for themselves as what is obviously not going to happen.

 

NS has become more obvious, no doubt about that. All had an equal chance in the beginning but as the story was written, well NS became more prominent.