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[Question22]

Yes KnS ! : D

 

Naruto didn't reject Sakura. It was Sakura who walked away.

 

 

 

If it was a fake confession

 

I dont know why would kishi write a fake confession  really?

 

It just showed that Kishi wants NS to be canon

Edited by Question22, 03 September 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

It's probably been said already by now, but long story short: the confession wasn't fake. It was intended to be genuine, as Kishimoto admitted in an interview. It was just executed horribly.

 

Still, it would be fantastic if the link to the interview could pop up again somewhere. This time I'd save it and never let it go.

[Phantom_999]

Okay, I'll join this since it seems that everyone is opposing everyone else here, on these grounds. First off what does everyone mean here when they say fake confession? do you mean that Sakura was lying to Naruto or that she was not being pure about it as in confessing for the sake of confessing? Or something else? If it was something else let me know. Now then, first off, why would Sakura lie about confessing to Naruto in the first place? Does she have anything to gain from lying and manipulating his feelings for her? Why would she go through all that trouble to tell Naruto something that isn't true? Why for the love of all that is holy would she waste her time telling Naruto something she doesn't feel? No matter how you word it or whatever you use to justify it, you are still saying the same thing if you believe she she had other reasons for confessing, she was using Naruto's feelings for her, no excuse, no mincing words, that is just it.

 

Even if it was for good reason do you think Sakura is the type to do that? Even back when her relationship with Naruto was just brushing him off as annoying did she ever once lie to him about her feelings? No, she told him straight up about what she felt. Sure she lied to Naruto before, but those were for different reasons,she did not want him to know he hurt her because she knew that would hurt him more than any wound he inflicted on her and she tries to smile for him even if she is the one who feels like crying just like he does sometimes. To say that she was using Naruto's feelings or her own, even for a selfless reason is not who Sakura is, especially with How Sai told her about how much Naruto loves her. I'm rambling on here, but I'm saying is that if Sakura's confession was nothing short of 100% genuine than it was emotional manipulation which discredits her. I'm sure Kishimoto had no intention of doing that, so I can say for certain She loves Naruto, but it's not  something as simple as falling for him since there is Sasuke to deal with because she had no proper closure with that regard. You can't move on if you don't have the proper outcome. She never heard a proper answer form Sasuke about how he felt and was constantly worrying about never seeing him again, so of course she'd think about him sometimes, with how low he is sinking.

 

Why was she thinking of Sasuke at 540? Because that admirer said who ever she loves must be a great person, and she thinks of Sasuke, probably because she knows it's false. Now you could argue why did she not think of Naruto, which is valid, but don't you think for her to be thinking of Naruto she'd have to be completely over Sasuke, to do that? she loves Naruto, but can't get Sasuke put of her mind because he is someone dear to her. If you truly care about someone you don't just brush them off your mind even though they did horrible things, it's just human to be like that. I'm not claiming she's over Sasuke, but She meant what she said when she confessed to Naruto, because she loves them both. you can love more than one person romantically, that's how one type of Love triangle works no?

 

If you want to rebuke my statement, answer these questions then. Why would Sakura need to be the one to talk to Naruto just to have him give up on his promise? Don't you think Sakura would have been more convincing with giving up On Sasuke if she just stated the reasons she was over him without saying " I love you", which Shikamaru could have explained just as well like when he told her his views on stopping Sasuke? Why would she need to Talk to Naruto about giving up on Sasuke, when someone could have reasoned it out just as well as her if not more? Most of all, Why would she need to confess ANYTHING if it wasn't her intention?

 

@Darkrerst- You said that love is a bit selfish right? Then is stopping Naruto from "saving Sasuke" not selfish? Is wanting him safe and unhurt instead of wanting his freedom to fulfill his goal not Selfish? It wasn't as completely selfless as you proclaim either.

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 September 2013 - 12:36 PM.

[narusakuforlife1667]

im not entirely sure if the confession was fake or not I say both fake by her lie about not bringing back sasuke and that she got over him while im also thinking it wasn't because in uns3 when sakura was going to kill sasuke herself she was thinking his aura feels totally different is this really sasuke or maybe the whole blushing thing she did while telling naruto I love you and you've always been by my side, I say both are true in some ways so I guess she wasn't lying completely.

[Superman333]

It wasn't fake, she had already said that she wouldn't make anymore Mistakes when it came to Naruto. Wouldn't lying to Naruto about her loving him be the biggest mistake of all? However i see it as she confessed but wasn't sure because of her lingering feelings for Sasuke. She knew she felt something for Naruto but she wasn't sure if it was love at the time because of how she believed she felt for Sasuke. She confessed to Naruto with her heart but her brain messed it up when she brought up Sasuke. When she realized how Naruto is in love with her that triggered some emotion that she didn't know she had for Naruto, those emotions confused her and she wasn't sure if it was love but she knew she felt something for Naruto. It wasn't fake but she wasn't sure .  

 

@Phantom _999 I agree with all your points but I disagree about the love thing . You can't love more than one person romantically that means you're not in love with neither of them . Love is something that you only have for one person, to love  you have to give your heart to that one person and only that one person you have to give all you to that one person . Now in my opinion she truly loves Naruto, but still Sasuke was the first not love but the first person that she let out emotion for so yeah she would think of him because he was the first to actually make her let out emotion . but her heart belongs to Naruto . She can't love both of them at the same time . One has her heart (Naruto) but she doesn't know it yet . The other she cares for because he was the first she felt anything for and  made her let out emotion and maybe the forehead thing also (Sasuke) . If she truly loved Sasuke it would be no room in her heart to love Naruto , yet as she started falling for Naruto she started thinking negatively of Sasuke , getting closer to Naruto etc .  her true love belongs to Naruto . her love for Naruto will never waver because she will never have room in her heart for anybody else to truly love.  Her heart belongs to Naruto.

Edited by Superman333, 14 September 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

http://narutoxsakura...rview-334624389

If Kishimoto said she was being honest, then that is good enough for me. Debate over in my opinion.

(Shout out to Inferno and Romance girl)

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 September 2013 - 08:52 AM.

[mmrc27]

i think its a true confession...it just seemed to be a fake confession because of the situations and circumstances that it followed...

[James S Cassidy]

The reason why people think it was a fake confession was because Naruto said to her "I hate people that lie to themselves." So they automatically think Naruto can read Sakura like a book and know exactly what she is thinking...this one and only time. (NH/SS logic: Let's ignore the fact that he was oblivious to everything else Sakura said or thought or did for him. he can only read her mind this one time and it was correct.)

That is the only thing they read from that whole confession and that stupid 540 scene which I am sick of hearing all the time like that ONE PANEL automatically means that SS is canon. Do you notice that Sakura wanted to do a heroic thing to save Naruto from dying at the hands of Sasuke? No. Did they see the girl caring so much to the point of wanting to relieve him of his burden? No. Did they notice that Sakura asked Naruto "If you don't like me just, say so" to which Naruto gave no response? No. All they saw was Naruto say "You're lying to yourself" and that proves the confession was fake.

But then you have Naruto say that Yes Sakura is his girlfriend and all of a sudden "Naruto was lying. It was just a joke. Naruto doesn't know what he is talking about." Oh so now Naruto doesn't know what he is talking about? Now he is a terrible person because he is oblivious to Hinata's feelings? Now he all of a sudden has no idea how the world works or how people feel about him?

Yeah, this is still crap in my eyes. Never did it occur to them that maybe Naruto didn't know then either during Sakura's confession? Or that maybe Naruto didn't understand why Sakura was doing what she was doing? They forget that Sai had to explain everything to Naruto and Sakura for this to even happen. Sai was the one who knew Naruto loved Sakura and knew what Sakura was trying to do. Then when you bring up Sai, you get them saying "Well, Sai didn't know what he was talking about. He misunderstood Naruto and really that he loves Hinata," but a line from Sai saying something like "Because she loves Sasuke" and all of a sudden, he knows everything.

How about what Yamato said? "He meant that she loves him as a dear sister who will always watch over him."

So here is the the double standard logic: If it pertains to NH or SS, then the characters know exactly what they are talking about and are fully aware of the moment in a dead serious manner. However, if it pertains to NS, then it is all a joke and nothing should be taken seriously. Except if it pertains to being anti-NS, then you have to take it super serious because it is 200% truth.

[HauntedCake]

The reason why people think it was a fake confession was because Naruto said to her "I hate people that lie to themselves." So they automatically think Naruto can read Sakura like a book and know exactly what she is thinking...this one and only time. (NH/SS logic: Let's ignore the fact that he was oblivious to everything else Sakura said or thought or did for him. he can only read her mind this one time and it was correct.)

That is the only thing they read from that whole confession and that stupid 540 scene which I am sick of hearing all the time like that ONE PANEL automatically means that SS is canon. Do you notice that Sakura wanted to do a heroic thing to save Naruto from dying at the hands of Sasuke? No. Did they see the girl caring so much to the point of wanting to relieve him of his burden? No. Did they notice that Sakura asked Naruto "If you don't like me just, say so" to which Naruto gave no response? No. All they saw was Naruto say "You're lying to yourself" and that proves the confession was fake.

But then you have Naruto say that Yes Sakura is his girlfriend and all of a sudden "Naruto was lying. It was just a joke. Naruto doesn't know what he is talking about." Oh so now Naruto doesn't know what he is talking about? Now he is a terrible person because he is oblivious to Hinata's feelings? Now he all of a sudden has no idea how the world works or how people feel about him?

Yeah, this is still crap in my eyes. Never did it occur to them that maybe Naruto didn't know then either during Sakura's confession? Or that maybe Naruto didn't understand why Sakura was doing what she was doing? They forget that Sai had to explain everything to Naruto and Sakura for this to even happen. Sai was the one who knew Naruto loved Sakura and knew what Sakura was trying to do. Then when you bring up Sai, you get them saying "Well, Sai didn't know what he was talking about. He misunderstood Naruto and really that he loves Hinata," but a line from Sai saying something like "Because she loves Sasuke" and all of a sudden, he knows everything.

How about what Yamato said? "He meant that she loves him as a dear sister who will always watch over him."

So here is the the double standard logic: If it pertains to NH or SS, then the characters know exactly what they are talking about and are fully aware of the moment in a dead serious manner. However, if it pertains to NS, then it is all a joke and nothing should be taken seriously. Except if it pertains to being anti-NS, then you have to take it super serious because it is 200% truth.

Bolded: Well what about Sakura and Naruto not needing to say anything to each other and only need to look at each other to know what they are thinking?

[James S Cassidy]

Bolded: Well what about Sakura and Naruto not needing to say anything to each other and only need to look at each other to know what they are thinking?

 

What about 631?

What about all the times Hinata has tried hitting on him and Naruto was severely oblivious to it even at the most obvious moments? What about all the times where Sakura has done the same and has shown more than just a teammate care and he was oblivious to that? What about all the times where Naruto was told something several times in this manga and seem to just forget this because Neji died and had to have Hinata remind him what Gaara, Iruka, and Itachi told him not even a day before?

Naruto is not always the brightest crayon in the box and he seems to have moments of genius and moments of just stupidity. This is especially true when it comes to the labors of love. Even when Hinata confessed he didn't even try to talk to her. Yeah, real smart move there. Not even just to say "I can't love you. I'm sorry."

This is a guy who had more than enough opportunities to get exactly what he wanted and didn't even go for it and yet other times, shows battle prowess like no other ninja has expressed before. He is like Goku. In battle he is a genius, but when it comes to practicality and common sense, he has non. Also, the scene you mentioned was not really Naruto reading Sakura's mind, but rather Sakura reading Naruto's mind. Even then, it was battle prowess, not emotional connection. It's just shows when they work as a team with Sakura and Sasuke, he can easily flow with them and can do things with them without word. When it comes to everyday life or problems he faces, he has tunnel vision.

Naruto says he understands Sasuke, but does he really? I don't think so. What if Sasuke doesn't want to come back to the village? What if he doesn't want Sakura? What can he do then? He can't force Sasuke to do his bidding otherwise you are no better than Obito trying to take control of freewill.

[HauntedCake]

 

Your points are well recieved james my friend

 

edit: Naruto called her a liar, so i always wondered if he says shes lying then why are we saying she was telling the truth?

Edited by HauntedCake, 14 September 2013 - 12:43 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Your points are well recieved james my friend

 

edit: Naruto called her a liar, so i always wondered if he says shes lying then why are we saying she was telling the truth?

It's mostly because Kishi said she wasn't.

Interviewer: "Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy. She used Naruto’s love for her and told him she loved him."

Kishimoto: "On the contrary…. I felt like depicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression.
So... she became such a character, but... well... from here on, maybe I should draw her showing a bit more spirit.
I figured I had placed her in a heroin-like situation
But from the readers I was told harshly that she wasn't heroin-ish at all
Perhaps I should show depict her a bit more like a heroin
Because you say 'Hinata Hinata,' I say 'She's not Hinata'"

There are other reasons of course, but this is the real evidence right here. Really, how can you argue with the author himself? That's like trying to argue with God.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

She lied because one, she didnt realized her genuine feelings for him, and second she confirmed her feelings for Sasuke shortly after it(not on 540), if she really loved him, those flashbacks would not come, Kishi said he despicted an honest girl with a surprisingly stubborn impression but despicting someome as an honest perosn doesnt make her words true and genuine, Sakura did that a lot of times even to Sai when she smiled at him but he knew it was fake, just like she did recently about trusting Sasuke.

I dotn feel her confession horribly executed i just think that people really missed the point of it discussing if it was true or not an obvious confession that is fake.

 

The point of the confession was just to show that now instead of jokes and scenes that lead to nowhere like Yamato's "You must really..." this time, she acknowledged Naruto as someome who she can have a romance and that was the point of the confession, where she acknowledge the things Naruto did to her and how she was willing to give a chance to him despite loving someome else and Naruto obviously didnt wanted that.

She got hated on the scene for no reason when she only wanted to make Naruto happy even at the cost of her own feelings which Naruto is doing the entire manga, but Naruto wasnt hated by this but Sakura was, that was the double standard of the confession.

 

 

Second: About the moment where Naruto called her his girlfirend, the point of it is even if it's a joke or not, it only confirms that he still loves her, so his feelings didnt fade like NH/SS claimed lots of times.

The rest i dont care because i believe that scene wasnt to look deep and think too hard.

 

 

It's mostly because Kishi said she wasn't.

Interviewer: "Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy. She used Naruto’s love for her and told him she loved him."

Kishimoto: "On the contrary…. I felt like depicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression.


There are other reasons of course, but this is the real evidence right here. Really, how can you argue with the author himself? That's like trying to argue with God.

 

You dismissed the first part of the interviewer, he said that "Sakura acted quite haughty towards Naruto".

The author replied with "I felt like despicting an honest girl with a surprisingly stubborn impression.

 

In other words, On the contrary[She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him].... I felt like despicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression[She acted quite haughty towards that guy].

 

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 September 2013 - 01:40 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

You dismissed the first part of the interviewer, he said that "Sakura acted quite haughty towards Naruto".

The author replied with "I felt like despicting an honest girl with a surprisingly stubborn impression.

 

In other words, On the contrary[She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him].... I felt like despicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression[She acted quite haughty towards that guy].

 

 

Whatever you want to believe, Dark.

 

BTW, it's D-E-P-I-C-T-I-N-G. I wouldn't bother correcting you if you didn't make the same mistake about 4 times in one post.

We also have this

"I figured I had placed her in a heroin-like situation"

 

But people seem to dismiss this one quite often too for in favor of Hinata's confession being more heroic. Kind of interesting that what the fanbase interpreted from that scene is not what the scene was meant to express at all.

Plus you have to also take into account that 540 could be a red herring and not a real reflection. Any one good moment after the confession would make NS canon and it has been like this for a while. Meanwhile, you got these little scenes like 540 and 615 which just throw you off the trail in attempt to not point out the obvious. Does 540 or 615 have any significance now? Judging by what has been shown, no. They were merely a stalling agent.

 

(Also, as a side note, imagine if she thought about Naruto in that scene and not Sasuke?)

And again, Dark, you forget chapter 573 where Sakura says "We will be together no matter what you say." Does this not play a significance? You seem to dismiss this chapter rather quickly in favor of 540 even though 540 seems to be an anti-SS, not a pro-moment or even also the idea that well...Sasuke never can or never will love Sakura ever. Does this not play a significance or you just dismiss this one?

We also have Karin who has feelings for Sasuke and also Ino, but I guess we don't care about them do we? Dismiss...dismiss....dismiss.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 September 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It does beg the question though: did this confession made Naruto think that they are together in a complicated way, which is why he was thinking over before going yes.

[James S Cassidy]

It does beg the question though: did this confession made Naruto think that they are together in a complicated way, which is why he was thinking over before going yes.

 

Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would Naruto have said what he said if Sakura never mentioned Sasuke at all?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would Naruto have said what he said if Sakura never mentioned Sasuke at all?

It's really complicated. Better fix it before Minato leaves, even though he knows already. I wonder if there's a plot foreshadow for Minato to say that before the battle. Was it because it's the only chance he has or will it play later on?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe he's oblivious to Hinata because she was very shy and she couldn't stand up whenever he shows up. It's not that he was focused on Sakura, it's just Hinata is too backdown. That said now that he knows her, he doesn't have to say anything else really. That includes a response. If she wants it, she has to bring it up again in a discussion. Other than that, nothing else to say really.

Edit: is there a glitch in forum or is there a reason for multiple deletion?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 14 September 2013 - 02:50 PM.

[Superman333]

 

What about 631?

What about all the times Hinata has tried hitting on him and Naruto was severely oblivious to it even at the most obvious moments? What about all the times where Sakura has done the same and has shown more than just a teammate care and he was oblivious to that? What about all the times where Naruto was told something several times in this manga and seem to just forget this because Neji died and had to have Hinata remind him what Gaara, Iruka, and Itachi told him not even a day before?

Naruto is not always the brightest crayon in the box and he seems to have moments of genius and moments of just stupidity. This is especially true when it comes to the labors of love. Even when Hinata confessed he didn't even try to talk to her. Yeah, real smart move there. Not even just to say "I can't love you. I'm sorry."

This is a guy who had more than enough opportunities to get exactly what he wanted and didn't even go for it and yet other times, shows battle prowess like no other ninja has expressed before. He is like Goku. In battle he is a genius, but when it comes to practicality and common sense, he has non. Also, the scene you mentioned was not really Naruto reading Sakura's mind, but rather Sakura reading Naruto's mind. Even then, it was battle prowess, not emotional connection. It's just shows when they work as a team with Sakura and Sasuke, he can easily flow with them and can do things with them without word. When it comes to everyday life or problems he faces, he has tunnel vision.

Naruto says he understands Sasuke, but does he really? I don't think so. What if Sasuke doesn't want to come back to the village? What if he doesn't want Sakura? What can he do then? He can't force Sasuke to do his bidding otherwise you are no better than Obito trying to take control of freewill.

 

Its not that Naruto shows stupidity to Sakura-Chan and Hinata . He is oblivious to the both of them for two different reasons. One if because of acceptance and the other is because he is truly in love with some one else. 

 

For Sakura-Chan he is oblivious because he accepted her "feelings for Sasuke" so no matter what hint she drops to him subliminally or subconsiously he can't bring him self to think she is doing it romantically . He is more closeminded than stupid . But as of recently he seems to confidently believe that he may have a chance with Sakura-Chan aka chapter 631 . 

 

For Hinata well its simple ... Naruto is in love with Sakura-Chan and doesn't look at Hinata or any other girl that way . If it was before when he only had a crush on Sakura-Chan then maybe Hinata would have had a chance but now that Naruto is truly in love with Sakura-Chan , well Naruto won't look at Hinata nor any other girl like that . 

 

Your points are well recieved james my friend

 

edit: Naruto called her a liar, so i always wondered if he says shes lying then why are we saying she was telling the truth?

 

But what part did he think she was lying about though .? It didn't seem like he thought she was lying about her confession at first he actually believed her at first until she brought up Sasuke . Thats when he started thinking back about how Sakura-Chan loved Sasuke and then he came back to his closeminded decision that she could never feel the same for him that is until Sai explained to him what Sakura-Chan was doing and then my guess is that Naruto realized the depths Sakura-Chan would actually go for him as well and then his closemindedness eased up a little bit and started to think she looked at him differently . 

Edited by Superman333, 14 September 2013 - 02:58 PM.

[Superman333]

I believe he's oblivious to Hinata because she was very shy and she couldn't stand up whenever he shows up. It's not that he was focused on Sakura, it's just Hinata is too backdown. That said now that he knows her, he doesn't have to say anything else really. That includes a response. If she wants it, she has to bring it up again in a discussion. Other than that, nothing else to say really.

Edit: is there a glitch in forum or is there a reason for multiple deletion?

I deleted my multiple posts and put them all in one post .