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[desaix]

Y'all should be thanking me for this link that I always save for NaruSaku fics: http://www.fanfictio...039/2041/0/0/1/

That's not the search engine, and I already knew about that one. The search engine is quite useful if you need to try and find an older fanfic you remember the title and series of, but you don't have bookmarked\on alerts\etc. Which is especially useful if you're reading a fanfic on one computer and want to switch over to another computer, which I do a LOT.

[Onionhead Attacks]

Y'all should be thanking me for this link that I always save for NaruSaku fics: http://www.fanfictio...039/2041/0/0/1/

Lol, thanks for the link to the filter, Derock, but that's not what I meant. I meant the actual search engine for looking up stories based on summary or title.

[Paradox Jast]

It's possible to add new stories, there is a bit of a workaround. The only catch is that you won't be able to assign characters for the search category... not that it matters right now since searches aren't working anyway.

- Go to post your story exactly as you normally would, but pick a different category that is still working (Code Geass is, for example).
- When you've posted the new story, click on 'Edit/Add Chapters'.
- You will be brought to the working properties pages (or should be). Otherwise you may need to do the 'content' swap.
- Change the category from there. It will bring up an error page as soon as you change it to Naruto. However, if you get the error, it means it worked.

Supposedly this method was tested by the author NeonZangetsu, and I guess it works since he has new fics posted since the website started going bonkers.

I don't feel like switching to Media Miner. Ugh. Time for someone to make a new fanfiction site, I guess.

[AchikaMiyu]

I don't feel like switching to Media Miner. Ugh. Time for someone to make a new fanfiction site, I guess.

Media Miner is just plain bad. I hate having to upload anything on there.

Sounds like FF.net needs a revamp.

[desaix]

I never liked Media Miner from its inception... partly because of how it acquired its early content (it approached the moderators of usenet group Rec.Arts.Anime.Creative, falsely portraying itself as simply wanting to create a web archive of RAAC's material. RAAC agreed to allow it to do that, but then Media Miner took RAAC's archives to try and foist itself off as a competitor to Fanfiction.net in ff.net's early days, using the stories to claim the "membership" of all the authors who had ever posted on RAAC -- myself included -- without any of us having even heard of the website, or having an account there. In other words, it misrepresented itself on all sides. Protests were met by them giving the RAAC authors (access to) their own accounts, through which they could "delete their works if they so desired." Considering it took a year before I could get my password straightened out, I'm not sure how legitimate that effort to make amends was. I never deleted my stuff from there, and eventually added a bit to it, but I'm still wary of Media Miner)

However, I'm not sure who else, at this point, could legitimately make a viable competitor to Fanfiction.net. It used to be their major competitors included Usenet, e-mail mailing lists, etc., but those have mostly dried up. As fanfic authors, we're sort of stuck with fanfiction.net if we want any sort of real visibility for our fanfiction.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Most of my work is on fan-fiction.net, along with most of my fans and friends. Anyone who is ready to step off FF.net just because it's buggy and the owner is being a clueless git for some odd reason is, in all honesty, even worse than me, and I have ADHD! Wait a while, would you please? This is how the Stock Market crashed: the second there is even a slight iota of a chance in the realms of possibility in another dimension that the ship could hit the fan slightly, everyone moves out to another source like a pack of mewling sheep. Have some decency to be patient, or there will never be such a thing as a permanent fan-fiction site, if the owner knows you will just high-tail it out of there the second something goes ka-blooie.

[desaix]

Kamina-Yoshi: Some of us have been looking for a viable alternative to ff.net for over a decade. (well, I have, at least) It's not so "sudden" for all of us -- it's more wishful thinking that an incident like this prompts someone to create a competitor we don't think is just as bad or worse.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Kamina-Yoshi: Some of us have been looking for a viable alternative to ff.net for over a decade. (well, I have, at least) It's not so "sudden" for all of us -- it's more wishful thinking that an incident like this prompts someone to create a competitor we don't think is just as bad or worse.

A decade? The site launched in 1998 for goodness' sake, there is no possible way you saw the site in 1998 on the spot and said "YUP THIS SUCKS MAKE ANOTHER PLZ". Stop fibbing.

[desaix]

A decade? The site launched in 1998 for goodness' sake, there is no possible way you saw the site in 1998 on the spot and said "YUP THIS SUCKS MAKE ANOTHER PLZ". Stop fibbing.

I was a member of the FFML (fanfiction mailing list). The FFML (founded... 1992, IIRC) had a big rivalry with FF.net, largely dealing with FF.net's complete lack of tools (at the time) for beta reading, horribly arbitrary rule enforcement (there was a long period where, if a rule violation was reported, the fic was deleted without any investigation to see if the rule had ACTUALLY been violated or not... but then, sometimes a fic would be reported for a legitimate violation of the rules, and was never deleted), instability, and more. When the owner of the server that ran the FFML passed away, the FFML collapsed entirely, forcing many of us who were a part of the FFML to emigrate to its rival, Fanfiction.net, around 2001-2. There were several attempts to set up rival sites that were more FFML-like, but none of them succeeded. Fanfiction.net has incorporated many of the features the FFMLers were protesting the lack of over the years, and has gotten increasingly more stable (but not perfectly so, as the recent problems show), but along the way has also done stupid things like suddenly wiping out all NC-17 (or MA) rated fanfiction (simply because it was correctly marked as NC-17\MA rated, even though there were a lot of incorrectly marked NC-17 fics they ignored), all songfics, etc., and has never corrected its arbitrary rule-enforcement.

So, no, hoping for an alternative for a decade was NOT a "fib."

Edited by desaix, 28 March 2011 - 09:50 PM.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

... Then go to another site? What are you, chained to the site? No one is forcing you to stay and whine about it, you know. DeviantArt has fanfiction capabilities, and so does a plethora of other sites. Try Google, no one is stopping you other than inane greed for views/fans.

[desaix]

... Then go to another site? What are you, chained to the site? No one is forcing you to stay and whine about it, you know. DeviantArt has fanfiction capabilities, and so does a plethora of other sites. Try Google, no one is stopping you other than inane greed for views/fans.

I am sorry, but that is the point -- DeviantArt ISN'T a substitute for fanfiction.net (and, heck, deviantart has problems, too, including the lack of a good fanfiction search engine). Neither are that 'plethora of other sites.' I am sorry if I am unsatisfied with a poor status quo and desire something better and more like the original fanfiction communities that I was a part of from 1996-2001, rather than more cookie-cutter style Fanfiction.net or Mediaminer clones, or sites like DeviantArt whose focus isn't fanfiction. It isn't that I absolutely hate fanfiction.net and don't want to ever go there again, it's that I have been in far, far better fanfiction communities that used to be about as big (relative to fanfiction\fandom inflation) as fanfiction.net, but with them having gone away for one reason or another I'm left with a shadow of what I used to have, and continue to hope that someday a real competitor comes along that is closer to what I used to have than what is out there now.

I didn't realize that one had to be happy with Fanfiction.net and believe it is the absolutely perfect site that could never be replaced in any way whatsoever in order to post on it.

Edited by desaix, 28 March 2011 - 10:07 PM.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

I am sorry, but that is the point -- DeviantArt ISN'T a substitute for fanfiction.net (and, heck, deviantart has problems, too, including the lack of a good fanfiction search engine). Neither are that 'plethora of other sites.' I am sorry if I am unsatisfied with a poor status quo and desire something better and more like the original fanfiction communities that I was a part of from 1996-2001, rather than more cookie-cutter style Fanfiction.net or Mediaminer clones, or sites like DeviantArt whose focus isn't fanfiction. It isn't that I absolutely hate fanfiction.net and don't want to ever go there again, it's that I have been in far, far better fanfiction communities that used to be about as big (relative to fanfiction\fandom inflation) as fanfiction.net, but with them having gone away for one reason or another I'm left with a shadow of what I used to have, and continue to hope that someday a real competitor comes along that is closer to what I used to have than what is out there now.

I didn't realize that one had to be happy with Fanfiction.net and believe it is the absolutely perfect site that could never be replaced in any way whatsoever in order to post on it.

I put your post into Babblefish, and translated it from 'Childish Hissy-fit' into 'English', and it seems to have some problems; apparently, you think you're justified to cry at one moment and call for a mass-migration from day-one of fanfiction.net, then the next roll your eyes at me for pointing out the faults in your claim.

[Paradox Jast]

I'm not ready to jump ship, but the communication system between the mods/admins of FF.net and the public is absolutely horrid. There is little to no communication about things, which is just wrong, period. I'm assuming they make enough in advertisement revenue to pay for the servers at least, but come on - there should be at least a figurehead that makes announcements, or at least an acknowledgment that they know there is a problem and are working on it. That can't be too much to ask.

[ShippudenGirl]

My reaction:

That, good sir, is the greatest response ever.

[desaix]

I put your post into Babblefish, and translated it from 'Childish Hissy-fit' into 'English', and it seems to have some problems; apparently, you think you're justified to cry at one moment and call for a mass-migration from day-one of fanfiction.net, then the next roll your eyes at me for pointing out the faults in your claim.

I'm sorry, I'm not the one having a hissy-fit. And I sure as heck wasn't the one calling for a mass-migration from Fanfiction.net -- I merely said I was looking for an alternative to it. A good one, you know -- one that was better.

To make an analogy, it's like I was living in a nice house and had to move into an apartment, and cannot buy another house because there are none to buy. Because I want to move back into a house, you think I should leave the apartment I'm unsatisfied with to move into far worse apartments, or to stop saying I wish there was a house I could buy.

What's with all the personal attacks just because I think fanfiction.net's not entirely satisfactory?

[Kamina-Yoshi]

[desaix]

WHY ARE YOU TROLLING ME? I didn't do anything to you, dammit!

[tricksie]

I put your post into Babblefish, and translated it from 'Childish Hissy-fit' into 'English', and it seems to have some problems; apparently, you think you're justified to cry at one moment and call for a mass-migration from day-one of fanfiction.net, then the next roll your eyes at me for pointing out the faults in your claim.

Are you for real?

Your on a topic about the problems with ff.net and your defending them and bashing a reasonable poster?

I agree with everything desaix has said. Completely. FF.net is like hooking up my modem and dialing back to 1998. The service it offers to writers does the job, but it could be so much better. The internet has come soooo far. It's only a matter of time until a decent user-friendly Deviant Art-esque site pops up for writers. And not for just fanfic, but all kinds of writing. And when that happens, there will be a migration.

Anyone who is on ff.net appreciates that it's there, so don't feel like you need to hold the post of site defender. You've misinterpreted all of desaix's posts to blow your top.

One last thing, if you were acting this inflammatory about Hinata, people would be jumping all over you. So, since no one else has said anything, let me make it clear: KNOCK IT OFF! Your posts are offensive.

[Onionhead Attacks]

Are you for real?

Your on a topic about the problems with ff.net and your defending them and bashing a reasonable poster?

I agree with everything desaix has said. Completely. FF.net is like hooking up my modem and dialing back to 1998. The service it offers to writers does the job, but it could be so much better. The internet has come soooo far. It's only a matter of time until a decent user-friendly Deviant Art-esque site pops up for writers. And not for just fanfic, but all kinds of writing. And when that happens, there will be a migration.

Anyone who is on ff.net appreciates that it's there, so don't feel like you need to hold the post of site defender. You've misinterpreted all of desaix's posts to blow your top.

One last thing, if you were acting this inflammatory about Hinata, people would be jumping all over you. So, since no one else has said anything, let me make it clear: KNOCK IT OFF! Your posts are offensive.

I actually agree with tricksie. You were too much! Desaix made reasonable posts but for some reason you were just picking on him for no reason at all.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Rofl. Wow. I challenge him, he runs away crying, and you all protect him from the harming psychological trauma of being shown that he is wrong.