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[James S Cassidy]

I officially love the person who made this.

-blushes- Well, that was sudden.

[elmas]

AH!Love is in the air...

[BlazingDynamo]

I think I finally understand why Hinata is popular to the NH fanbase and this is my theory based on why. First off, this is only based on their viewpoint and not what it actually is. I took some time and looked at some pro-Hinata arguments and I saw a patten among them. One such pattern is that they feel Hinata is flawless even though she clearly isn't. Take this as an example for the rest of the post. It's basically idealism vs Reality.

So to get started I want to address that yes, I will be comparing and contrasting to Sakura here and there. While many will say "You can't do that," even though you actually can and is a normal practice in reading classes, I am still going going to do it for the sake showing the opposite effect. Now some of these things will and might offend some people, but just know these are not "just my views." It is just the views that I have come to realize from many NH fans.

1. Appearance: "Beauty or the Beast?"
We all know what Hinata looks like and we all know what she wears and even her body type, but how does this all play into her popularity? Easy, because some people actually will judge a book by it's cover. It's not right, but it happens. Hinata has long black hair, a pretty face, big breasts, and basically a hourglass figure. A pretty much Idealistic view of women in media today judging on advertisements of "actual beauty." While it is not wrong to go for this kind of imaging and say it is beautiful, but it is wrong to judge other women by it saying that only this type of look is beautiful. I have seen many NH fans say that Hinata is much prettier than Sakura and thus the reason why Naruto should be with her. This is unlike the contrary where Naruto actually thinks Sakura is beautiful despite not possessing the same figure as Hinata. Some men actually favor that sort of thing especially in a pornographic way with the big breasts, nice butt, and other such things. The ideal perfection that women need to have the 36-24-36 ratio. Hinata does fill that criteria. Maybe not those exact ratios, but you get my point.

I know what you are going to think here. "What about the people who don't find Hinata sexually appealing or perhaps the females of the group?" Good Question which is what I was going to cover next. Now, with respect to the LBGT community, you can find someone cute, but not sexually attractive. That being said, this has been shown in some cases with others. Hinata is cute. She looks cute. Those puppy dog eyes, the innocent stance, the personality (will get into that later), and even her fashion sense is that of this cute girl in school who seems almost practically perfect in every way. From my understanding, this is why some of the females find her appealing. "Awwww, she is soooo cute." She is like a little puppy dog just wanted to be played with. Some guys are even into this too. However, her attire is extremely impractical. (This isn't saying much all things considering, but keep reading) There is no pouches or short sleeves so they don't get caught or even the sleeves don't hide anything if they have to be long. It would be silly to wear it outside especially on a hot day and it is not even that stealthy to be honest. I don't see Hinata using her attire to her advantage as say Nnaruto does like by hiding kunai in his sleeves or something of that sort. Compare this to Sakura's attire to where a lot of it is more functional in a situation. She has pouches to hold stuff, short sleeves and an apron that probably has pockets, gloves for hand protection, etc. Her outfit is not to show off her body so much as it is to help her in the field. Their attire even speaks of their personality a bit where Sakura wants to be useful, but Hinata wants Naruto to notice her. So Hinata's outfit is more for looks than function and it is kind of out there.

However, appearance alone does not make someone popular and this is just the first aspect. So please keep reading.

2. Personality: "What do you think, Plank?"
Hinata's personality is pretty simple: Shy, adorable, quiet, and determined when she wants to be. She is almost baby-like where she just kind of resonates innocence. She never does anything bad or loud and she usually keeps to herself. She hardly objects and mostly just goes along with whatever is going on. To put it bluntly...she is subservient. In 615, she sort of was more outspoken and objected to the situation at hand, but for the most part she was mostly just following the crowd while keeping a hidden secret.  Remember when I said she was cute? Yeah, she is also this from time to time. "Awww, it is so cute when she admires Naruto like that." I remember when people would say that Hinata was better for Naruto because she would let Naruto do whatever he wanted, he never had to be anything he couldn't be because she accepted him as he was, and she mostly followed Naruto's words to a T. Some men find this to be an idealistic women. "A women who does whatever I tell her to do and I don't have to do anything to better myself? Best girl ever." (Yes I have actually seen men like this, let's not lie. I have also seen many NH fans like her because of this.) I see NH fans say that she was very supportive of Naruto and that she cared about him a lot to where she loved him when everyone else hated him. However, she never pushed Naruto to be better which is something all humans want to do. They always want to better themselves. Naruto's personality requires that push. Something Hinata doesn't really do well. A lot of NH fans say that "Hinata gave Naruto hope," but this is a fallacy too. Naruto's hope was in himself and the support of all his friends.

Sakura, on the other hand, supported Naruto, but she also openly rejected some of Naruto's behavior. When he acts out of line, she knocks him back in. When he was willing to give up, she pushed him forward. She wanted for him to get better in who he is as a person and who he is as a ninja. Hinata just accepted Naruto how ever he was which is okay, but considering how Naruto is is not really a good thing for him. However, because most of the pairing fans I run into only care about the romance aspect of the relationship, then of course Hinata look favorable. She supposedly is the ideal woman, but she isn't. Sometimes men need a kick in the ass to push them to their greatest. Not abuse, just a push here and there. I know I am one of those kind of men. Hinata is also too willing to do anything for Naruto. Whether this be jumping in front of a bullet or doing what he says, she is so willing to just bend over backwards for him. Again, what seems like a good thing can be a bad thing as well because she looks....clingy. She is so occupied to do whatever it is that makes Naruto happy and alter her way of life just for him that she loses focus on everything else in life. I understand the need to wanting to make someone happy, but there is a limit to it. You just can't force onto them and expect them to accept it or to notice you like some crazy fangirl, but many see this as a good thing. "She wants to be Naruto's so badly that she is willing to do anything. Naruto would be a fool to reject her." Naruto doesn't want a slave to be at his beck and call. He wants a partner to share his life with.

It reminds me a lot of Spongebob when he was trying to win over Kevin from the jellyfish club and even willing to embarrass himself for it. At the end though, Spongebob learns that idol worship can be a bad thing if you give up yourself for it.

3. Goals and Ambitions: "Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."
I am going to be blunt: Hinata's goal is to be Naruto's. That's it. Everything she does, wants, becomes is all for the sake of Naruto's attention. So Naruto can notice her, so Naruto can see her, so Naruto can hold her hand. She expresses this desire a lot. "She cares for Naruto so much that she wants to do anything for him."  I see a lot of NH fans say that this is what true love is and that she is so willing to put him over her, but she doesn't really do that. She puts her own fantasies above even Naruto himself and instead of thinking about Naruto's actual needs she is too busy concerned with her own. I see a lot of people mistake this, but the questions stack up: Why wasn't Hinata there when Naruto needed someone? Why didn't learn techniques to actually support Naruto's goals? Why wasn't she actively trying to help with the Sasuke business? There are many things she could have done different to support Naruto besides just standing in the way of a bullet. People think this is cute how she puts Naruto above herself, but she has also neglected a lot of other things and is very flawed at. She ends up being flat.

Sakura on the other hand was doing things not for her own desires or for her own sake only, but truly for Naruto's. She wanted to be stronger and not be burden. She wanted to ease Naruto's already burden and not let him fight alone. Yeah, Hinata fought beside Naruto in the war, but so was everyone else. Even Shikamaru laid claim to his support of Naruto. The difference is outside of those situations. What does Hinata want besides Naruto? Nothing. Nothing else matters to her, but her obsession with Naruto. Many people say this is cute because she devoted her life to him and it's not bad to want to help someone. It is not bad to want to be there for someone, but what is bad is attention seeking.

She is a robot here to serve Naruto's ever whim and that's all her goals ever were.

and the final reason

4. She is a Mary Sue. "My name is Sue, how do you do?"
Let me clarify again that she really isn't a mary sue and she actually is flawed in many areas as pointed out, but her fans see her as perfect. Whenever I bring up a flaw with her, they brush it off. Whenever I showcase how something can be bad, they call me delusional. They believe that a Mary Sue girl is a girl who is extremely devoted to her man, never complains, never demands stuff, always does what he wants, always is doing things for him, and never combative. She has to be practically perfect in every way which leaves her character very flat. They refuse to admit that she has problems and that flaws actually are a good thing, but they want that ideal woman who is that perfect. Actually, in a way, she is a Mary Sue because she has revolved her life around him. Her goals and ambitions are all about Naruto, she has always loved Naruto without second thought and he never needed to do anything, she never once criticized him and actually thought he was perfect from the beginning even though he wasn't and she basically seems like she was created to try and satisfy him. There is nothing else in her life, but Naruto. This really is a bad thing and might be the reason why Naruto doesn't see her. Because she is that perfect romance partner means that is her definite flaw. No one is that perfectly in love with someone and noone really perfectly falls in love without first knowing who that person is. That is too convenient.

Again, this is unlike Sakura who cares about Naruto, but Naruto is not her whole life. Notice when she did revolve Sasuke around her whole life it was bad and it made her miserable more often than not. Sakura was willing to do things for Naruto, but she didn't breathe the guy. She just knew what she had to do and did what she needed to do. The best relationships usually are the ones that have a few bumps in the road because that is a test to how they can be with eachother both good and bad times. It is not always rainbows and butterflies, but that doesn't mean love is always perfect.

Anyway, that's my theory. They see her as this "perfect ideal woman."


 

I could use this against a NH fan if I wanted to.

[Sakura~]

I agree with your thoery. I also think fillers were a big reason of her popularity. I'm an ex Hinata fans so I know what I'm talking about.

[Tatsumi]

I could use this against a NH fan if I wanted to.

i feel like spamming this on youtube vs every pro-nh comment i see on any video ever just to see reactions lol

[BlazingDynamo]

i feel like spamming this on youtube vs every pro-nh comment i see on any video ever just to see reactions lol

Lmfaoo I'm bout to post this on Youtube right now

[Sedna]

Lmfaoo I'm bout to post this on Youtube right now

Gimme link on video you posted it on.

[narulsaku]

This series is about NARUTO.NARUTO'S dreams,NARUTO'S goals are important.Hinata's love is obssesed,Sakura's negative and abusive.So I don't think these two loves would send a good message.

well sometimes its better to ignore some pepole who act like 5 years old kid . Dont ya think ?

And as for hardcore fans whoever it is either ss or nh . They will just go on supporting their theories no matter what.

[Gravenimage]

Studio Pierot is also to blame for Hinata's popularity. Because they're big time fan boys making all those fillers supporting her. Even if they didn't meant any harm the real problem is the western fandom took all those fillers seriously as they were canon, especially the fans who only watch the anime. Anyway James you did it again another brilliant post pointing out nothing but the truth. 

 

BlazingDynamo@ sure you can use the epic post against the NH fans and they will easily brush it off like it never existed.

[Princess Iris]

I think I finally understand why Hinata is popular to the NH fanbase and this is my theory based on why. First off, this is only based on their viewpoint and not what it actually is. I took some time and looked at some pro-Hinata arguments and I saw a patten among them. One such pattern is that they feel Hinata is flawless even though she clearly isn't. Take this as an example for the rest of the post. It's basically idealism vs Reality.

So to get started I want to address that yes, I will be comparing and contrasting to Sakura here and there. While many will say "You can't do that," even though you actually can and is a normal practice in reading classes, I am still going going to do it for the sake showing the opposite effect. Now some of these things will and might offend some people, but just know these are not "just my views." It is just the views that I have come to realize from many NH fans.

1. Appearance: "Beauty or the Beast?"
We all know what Hinata looks like and we all know what she wears and even her body type, but how does this all play into her popularity? Easy, because some people actually will judge a book by it's cover. It's not right, but it happens. Hinata has long black hair, a pretty face, big breasts, and basically a hourglass figure. A pretty much Idealistic view of women in media today judging on advertisements of "actual beauty." While it is not wrong to go for this kind of imaging and say it is beautiful, but it is wrong to judge other women by it saying that only this type of look is beautiful. I have seen many NH fans say that Hinata is much prettier than Sakura and thus the reason why Naruto should be with her. This is unlike the contrary where Naruto actually thinks Sakura is beautiful despite not possessing the same figure as Hinata. Some men actually favor that sort of thing especially in a pornographic way with the big breasts, nice butt, and other such things. The ideal perfection that women need to have the 36-24-36 ratio. Hinata does fill that criteria. Maybe not those exact ratios, but you get my point.

I know what you are going to think here. "What about the people who don't find Hinata sexually appealing or perhaps the females of the group?" Good Question which is what I was going to cover next. Now, with respect to the LBGT community, you can find someone cute, but not sexually attractive. That being said, this has been shown in some cases with others. Hinata is cute. She looks cute. Those puppy dog eyes, the innocent stance, the personality (will get into that later), and even her fashion sense is that of this cute girl in school who seems almost practically perfect in every way. From my understanding, this is why some of the females find her appealing. "Awwww, she is soooo cute." She is like a little puppy dog just wanted to be played with. Some guys are even into this too. However, her attire is extremely impractical. (This isn't saying much all things considering, but keep reading) There is no pouches or short sleeves so they don't get caught or even the sleeves don't hide anything if they have to be long. It would be silly to wear it outside especially on a hot day and it is not even that stealthy to be honest. I don't see Hinata using her attire to her advantage as say Nnaruto does like by hiding kunai in his sleeves or something of that sort. Compare this to Sakura's attire to where a lot of it is more functional in a situation. She has pouches to hold stuff, short sleeves and an apron that probably has pockets, gloves for hand protection, etc. Her outfit is not to show off her body so much as it is to help her in the field. Their attire even speaks of their personality a bit where Sakura wants to be useful, but Hinata wants Naruto to notice her. So Hinata's outfit is more for looks than function and it is kind of out there.

However, appearance alone does not make someone popular and this is just the first aspect. So please keep reading.

2. Personality: "What do you think, Plank?"
Hinata's personality is pretty simple: Shy, adorable, quiet, and determined when she wants to be. She is almost baby-like where she just kind of resonates innocence. She never does anything bad or loud and she usually keeps to herself. She hardly objects and mostly just goes along with whatever is going on. To put it bluntly...she is subservient. In 615, she sort of was more outspoken and objected to the situation at hand, but for the most part she was mostly just following the crowd while keeping a hidden secret.  Remember when I said she was cute? Yeah, she is also this from time to time. "Awww, it is so cute when she admires Naruto like that." I remember when people would say that Hinata was better for Naruto because she would let Naruto do whatever he wanted, he never had to be anything he couldn't be because she accepted him as he was, and she mostly followed Naruto's words to a T. Some men find this to be an idealistic women. "A women who does whatever I tell her to do and I don't have to do anything to better myself? Best girl ever." (Yes I have actually seen men like this, let's not lie. I have also seen many NH fans like her because of this.) I see NH fans say that she was very supportive of Naruto and that she cared about him a lot to where she loved him when everyone else hated him. However, she never pushed Naruto to be better which is something all humans want to do. They always want to better themselves. Naruto's personality requires that push. Something Hinata doesn't really do well. A lot of NH fans say that "Hinata gave Naruto hope," but this is a fallacy too. Naruto's hope was in himself and the support of all his friends.

Sakura, on the other hand, supported Naruto, but she also openly rejected some of Naruto's behavior. When he acts out of line, she knocks him back in. When he was willing to give up, she pushed him forward. She wanted for him to get better in who he is as a person and who he is as a ninja. Hinata just accepted Naruto how ever he was which is okay, but considering how Naruto is is not really a good thing for him. However, because most of the pairing fans I run into only care about the romance aspect of the relationship, then of course Hinata look favorable. She supposedly is the ideal woman, but she isn't. Sometimes men need a kick in the ass to push them to their greatest. Not abuse, just a push here and there. I know I am one of those kind of men. Hinata is also too willing to do anything for Naruto. Whether this be jumping in front of a bullet or doing what he says, she is so willing to just bend over backwards for him. Again, what seems like a good thing can be a bad thing as well because she looks....clingy. She is so occupied to do whatever it is that makes Naruto happy and alter her way of life just for him that she loses focus on everything else in life. I understand the need to wanting to make someone happy, but there is a limit to it. You just can't force onto them and expect them to accept it or to notice you like some crazy fangirl, but many see this as a good thing. "She wants to be Naruto's so badly that she is willing to do anything. Naruto would be a fool to reject her." Naruto doesn't want a slave to be at his beck and call. He wants a partner to share his life with.

It reminds me a lot of Spongebob when he was trying to win over Kevin from the jellyfish club and even willing to embarrass himself for it. At the end though, Spongebob learns that idol worship can be a bad thing if you give up yourself for it.

3. Goals and Ambitions: "Desire is irrelevant, I am a machine."
I am going to be blunt: Hinata's goal is to be Naruto's. That's it. Everything she does, wants, becomes is all for the sake of Naruto's attention. So Naruto can notice her, so Naruto can see her, so Naruto can hold her hand. She expresses this desire a lot.

gottcha ....ur Scott .....so u too, are in this forum, cool!!

[James S Cassidy]

gottcha ....ur Scott .....so u too, are in this forum, cool!!

I have been on the forum for a long time, Tithi.

 

 

Studio Pierot is also to blame for Hinata's popularity. Because they're big time fan boys making all those fillers supporting her. Even if they didn't meant any harm the real problem is the western fandom took all those fillers seriously as they were canon, especially the fans who only watch the anime. Anyway James you did it again another brilliant post pointing out nothing but the truth. 

 

BlazingDynamo@ sure you can use the epic post against the NH fans and they will easily brush it off like it never existed.

 

 

I am still 50/50 on the fillers. I am sure they helped, but I am not sure if they are a direct cause of it because obviously the manga was in run before the anime started. So I am not sure if it all started there or if it just got worse from it and only exemplified all that I have pointed out on here.

And thank you.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 October 2014 - 04:41 AM.

[Princess Iris]

I have been on the forum for a long time, Tithi.
 .

Damn!! So u know me too!

[James S Cassidy]

Damn!! So u know me too!

Yeup. ^_^

[Gojira]

huh

[narulsaku]

Damn!! So u know me too!

he knows all sees all and ofcouse doesnt eat all . Thats what makes him different from rudy.

Edit : and thats why we dont call him buck minister . We call him scott long for scoo short for scott ninister

Edited by narulsaku, 04 October 2014 - 08:49 AM.

[elmas]

well sometimes its better to ignore some pepole who act like 5 years old kid . Dont ya think ?

And as for hardcore fans whoever it is either ss or nh . They will just go on supporting their theories no matter what.

Yeah,it's better to ignore.XD

[BlazingDynamo]

 

Studio Pierot is also to blame for Hinata's popularity. Because they're big time fan boys making all those fillers supporting her. Even if they didn't meant any harm the real problem is the western fandom took all those fillers seriously as they were canon, especially the fans who only watch the anime. Anyway James you did it again another brilliant post pointing out nothing but the truth. 

 

BlazingDynamo@ sure you can use the epic post against the NH fans and they will easily brush it off like it never existed.

 

What do you mean by brush it off like it never existed?

[narulsaku]

What do you mean by brush it off like it never existed?

it means they will easily cut it by saying its all a lie and they will post their ridiculous theories and then in the end u ll end up ignoring them

[BlazingDynamo]

it means they will easily cut it by saying its all a lie and they will post their ridiculous theories and then in the end u ll end up ignoring them

Funny how you should say that because I did post it on Youtube to some NH fans and none of them haven't countered what I said to them.

[narulsaku]

Funny how you should say that because I did post it on Youtube to some NH fans and none of them haven't countered what I said to them.

man , that means they are ignoring you!!