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#21 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 16 November 2022 - 11:50 PM

Is the promise of a lifetime not an intimate moment or what about when sakura saw naruto in 4 tails mode and wanted to help him, how about about we will get stronger together scene? Heck her saving his live with cpr is a big moment!

Also no offence luckychi some might not take it well that the guy who switched from narusaku to naruhina in the most chaotic way possible that it caused an upset in the fandom, is now saying we should move past the drama of the pairings.

Wasn't the pairing drama mostly caused by nH fans? Because they hated Sakura.

 

Wait he switched over? I thought that was some dumb pointless experiment he was doing because he was bored. Granted that post was structure was confusing.



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Posted 17 November 2022 - 12:01 AM

Wasn't the pairing drama mostly caused by nH fans? Because they hated Sakura.

 

Wait he switched over? I thought that was some dumb pointless experiment he was doing because he was bored. Granted that post was structure was confusing.

 

 

It's a long story Bail, and not one I'm exactly proud of either. The whole switch over was more of a coping mechanism I've been dealing with over these past 19 months with the loss of my grandma and recently losing my uncle on the 4th of July. 

 

 

From these past few months between August to now I've been slowly rediscovering my love for NaruSaku again. Something I thought completely vanished, and I came to realized it was still there. 


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Posted 17 November 2022 - 12:35 AM

Is the promise of a lifetime not an intimate moment or what about when sakura saw naruto in 4 tails mode and wanted to help him, how about about we will get stronger together scene? Heck her saving his live with cpr is a big moment!

Also no offence luckychi some might not take it well that the guy who swtiched from narusaku to naruhina in the most chaotic way possible that it causesed an upset in the fandom, is now saying we should move past the drama of the pairings.

 

 

Promise of a Lifetime is a great moment,  and you missed what I said about Naruto going 4 tails and the CPR scene. They were moments that were one-sided from Sakura's part.   I'm not saying those moments aren't great for NaruSaku because they are, but the intimate moments between Naruto and Sakura needed to be mutual. 

 

 

- When Sakura is holding Naruto whose exhausted after going 4 Tails is one I'd count... You say how worried she was, but Naruto also had his moment where he said he'll be okay. 

 

- Same thing goes for when Sakura was in tears when she found out what would happen if Naruto lost Kurama. You also had Naruto have his say during that moment too.

 

 

 

That's what I mean by serous intimate moments between Naruto and Sakura... that sense of mutuality is what we needed more of.   

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I'm well aware of that Blue. On more than one occasion admitted that I was wrong, and that's exactly why I'm pushing towards this new belief. 

 

 

 I got a chance to experience the taste of negativity and toxicity  of the fandom for that small period of time. But here's the thing,  I was able to find my self out of it...  and I came to that realization  on my own.

 

What I want more than anything is bring about a positive and peaceful environment for the Naruto fandom as a whole. 

 

 

Not as NaruSaku fan 

 

 

Not as a NaruHina Fan

 

 

SPECIFICALLY AND HONESTLY AS A NARUTO FAN 

 

 

through and through. 

 

 

That is what matters most to me.  I know some may not take it well because of my past actions and that is perfectly fine, but ask yourself this....

 

 

Do you want things to remain stagnant the way they've been for years? or do you want something better for this fandom as a whole? 

 

 

You already know my stance on this, 

 

I want something better for this fandom as a whole!  and I'm wiling to pick up that Gauntlet to make it come to fruition! 

 

 

 

It may not be today

 

It may not be tomorrow 

 

Hell it probably won't even be a month from now

 

 

but one day it will happen 

 

MARK MY WORDS ON THAT! 


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#24 Phantom_999

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Posted 18 November 2022 - 02:07 PM

 

Hey Phantom thanks for responding back!

 

 

Don't take offense to this because it was something I overlooked since when I wrote the post it was pretty late at night where I live and I've been dealing with 12-13 hour timezone crisis since I got back home... but hopefully I can explain my point more clearer now on this.

 

The comedic moments between NaruSaku don't necessarily bother me at all and in fact I do enjoy those moments a lot.  What I meant by saying that those moments are treated as jokes is that at times when we do certain where we get something intimate between NaruSaku  & you have a character just disrupt the tension away from them. 

 

Plus I do love other series that tackle the whole tsnudere love trope  whether its from Rurouni Kenshin, Yu Yu Hakusho,   Black Clover, etc  its always great to have amazing comedy banter between a couple and when it comes to NaruSaku I loved that aspect about their dynamic too.  

 

 

The point I was just making was that  when I was looking back on how NaruSaku was handled in the manga... from a writing perspective I just personally wanted more intimate moments between Naruto and Sakura where they are thinking about one another.

 

 

We talked about how other series have the tsundere love story and here's a couple examples I wanna bring up: 

 

 

take Rurouni Kenshin as an example: 

 

- There are a ton of comedy banter between Kenshin and Kaoru and they are all really amazing and hillarious too, but what I appreciated about their relationship is that you didn't have other character interrupting them during their more heartfelt moments.  A key one that comes to mind for me is when   Kenshin left for Kyoto and you had this beautiful moment between him and Kaoru.

 

 

 

One other amazing example I always think of is Yu Yu Hakushou: 

 

-  Yusuke and Keiko have an really beautiful and rather deep love story in Yu Yu Hakushou that I don't think anyone is willing to argue about. Much like NaruSaku, they too have that goofy hero and tsundere love story trope similar to what we've seen before.  What they have together is very similar to what Kaoru and Kenshin where when it comes to their serious moments it's always centered around them and what they want to do.  9 out of ten it rarely has to do with some other person involved as a third wheel.

 

- The moments that really strike a cord with me between Yusuke and Keiko is during the Dark Tournament where you have this nice silly moment where they are just being goofy, but it also turns into a rather intimate moment when Keiko performs Yusuke's similar gun pose and he just smiles in awe about it.  But once again it was only a just between Yusuke and Keiko,  and I know there are moments where you have other characters involved with them, but what I noticed is that even though they are present be it Kurama, Hei,   Kuwabara, Botan, etc.   they never really interrupt their more intimate moments together.   

 

You brought up  Black Clover and that is a really great one too: 

 

- Asta and Noelle is a great relationship that I wanna see come to fruition and they have great comedic banter with one another.  Which yeah some people might say it's been one sided more so from Noelle's point of view, and Asta just being well dense up until the the timeskip where I think we will finally get that moment between that pay off we've been waiting for, but the moment I really adored was when the royals were kitten talking Noelle about being a failure and you had Asta help defend her by holding her hand and she's there to witness it...  Some will say "That's not really intimate, Lucky... find a different scene!"  I mean you've had moments where Asta is really proud of how Noelle has come in strength like the Water Temple Arc and during her battle against Megicula before we got this final arc.

 

 

  

Those were also anime with typical anime tsundere tropes too, and it makes me wish NaruSaku had more of that. 

 

 

Like I said it before, I adore the comedy moments between Naruto and Sakura and there are moments where things are serious about them (be it related to Sasuke or not), but I just wished from a writer's perspective we got more intimate moments between Naruto and Sakura.  

 

If a series like Kenshin,  Yu Yu Hakushou,  and Black Clover can have intimate moments like that while also having the typical tsundere love trope going on then why couldn't NaruSaku? 

 

 

Believe me when I say this,  I wanted that for NaruSaku the most cause there was the makings of a good love story there and even now  I can still see those elements too.  I can acknowledge that 100 percent, but like I said  I just think we needed more to further elevate it. 

 

I really genuinely hope what I'm writing isn't frustrating you, Phantom.  I really don't want there to be any arguments about this at all.  Just a nice civil conversation is all I'm wanting to have here.  

 

 

I don't want this post to come off as me attacking you or anyone here on the forums. I'm just sharing what I would've liked to see with NaruSaku and comparing it to how the other series that have the tsundere love trope as a part of it too. 

 

 

 

If my post does come off like it's me being arguing back  then I really am sorry because I don't want it to come off like that at all.   I'm writing all of this with a clear, calm, collected mind set.    

 

 

But you get what I mean though, right?   :happy:

 

Well yeah, I do actually. It's not like I wouldn't have wished Naruto and Sakura got some more romantic moments myself, but it wasn't like those moments being interrupted made them pointless either and I know you don't mean it that way, but hear me out. it was showing that the potential was there with those moments in the first place even if they did not go through with it and back to what I was saying, Hinata had barely any of those moments if at all, so writing wise I am not of the opinion that Hinata made sense to be the love interest in any way shape or form but I'm not faulting you for appreciating NaruHina

 

Also Yusuke and Keiko and Kenshin and Kaoru had moments between them interrupted as well so it's not like whatever Naruto and Sakura could be missing writing-wise was does not apply to them to an extent even though they are canon


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Posted 21 November 2022 - 09:09 PM

 

Well yeah, I do actually. It's not like I wouldn't have wished Naruto and Sakura got some more romantic moments myself, but it wasn't like those moments being interrupted made them pointless either and I know you don't mean it that way, but hear me out. it was showing that the potential was there with those moments in the first place even if they did not go through with it and back to what I was saying, Hinata had barely any of those moments if at all, so writing wise I am not of the opinion that Hinata made sense to be the love interest in any way shape or form but I'm not faulting you for appreciating NaruHina

 

Also Yusuke and Keiko and Kenshin and Kaoru had moments between them interrupted as well so it's not like what ever Naruto and Sakura could be missing writing-wise was does not apply to them to an extent even though they are canon

 

No offenses, Phantom  :happy:

 

I definitely agree that those moments did show the potential for NaruSaku, and it's a real shame that Kishi didn't elaborate more on it.

 

 

and I get what you are saying about Yusuke Keiko and Kenshin & Kaoru having those moments interrupted, but it's as you said they became canon in the end. 

 

 

I do believe that in some universe NaruSaku did become canon... it's just a sad case that the world we're living in today isn't the one where they did. 


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