I agree with this .. Even a guy who is now smiling Demonic/Maniacally. full of Hatred can be still beaten by LOVE
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#21
Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:44 PM
I agree with this .. Even a guy who is now smiling Demonic/Maniacally. full of Hatred can be still beaten by LOVE
#22
Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:51 PM
On the other hand we constantly see Naruto training for everything he gets. Some he can't even use, but trained hard for regardless. AND has totally mastered what he did train for. Naruto's skill with his jutsu > Sasuke's.
The power of love always seemed to drive the heroes, not actually give them some higher power.
#23
Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:12 PM
So Danzou is using "Plot Running Away No Jutsu"!
Edited by Uzumakikage, 23 September 2009 - 05:17 PM.
#24
Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:22 PM
Naruto isnt the Kyubi and has never been defined by Kyubi. Hes defined by Never giving up and always overcoming his problems no matter what.
Hell win in the end because thats what Naruto does.
So Sasuke has Kirin. So waht?
Weve allreayd established Wind element is stronger and FRS can beat Kirin.
So Sasuke has Fire element which is stronger then wind. Again So what?
Naruto imself established that wind is the only thing that can feed a fire and keep ti alive.
Naruto will succeed and save sasuke.
evrything else is extraneous. lets let Kishimoto tell his story. Hes building up to something big soon from what ive seen. and I for one cant wait.
and to those who are whining and taking there balls and going to play elsewhere, get a grip.
So far sasuke hasnt won a single fight against anyone.
he hasnt beaten the Raikage just slowed him down and had to use 2 of the Mangekyos tehcniques combined to do it.
He hasnt beaten Gaara, he just distracted him by making him choose wether to chase him or save lives and gaara chose to save life.
Its more appropriate to say hes escaped confrontation so far then actually won anything.
remeber this is a guy who was said to be a genius on itachis level long before all of this happened.
Also Sasuke never worked his ass off with orochimaru. that would be counter to the established story. Sasuke used the short cuts, he used charingans copy abilities, he used kabutos drugs and experiments, the cursed seal.
im sure he got in a little work here and there but Orochimarus goal would have been front loading him with technique after technique to get him ready for the transfer.
like I said lets let the man tell his story before we al have a hissy fit, this is just a preview and an incomplete one at that. Far as ive seen the story seems to be rolling along at a good clip now and should be hitting some resolutions soon.
Edit to add this as an appropriate analogy for whats coming for Sasuke
The massive collapse born by hatred!
Edited by catsi563, 23 September 2009 - 05:23 PM.
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#25
Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:36 PM
It seems to be obvious by now that Sasuke's plan of killing Danzou won't succeed and it does seem like the conflict is coming to a conclusion by most likely Sasuke having to flee.
Wouldn't it be weird if Danzou ran into Naruto, Kakashi, and Yamoto.
#26
Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:37 PM
#27
Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:28 PM
Time to call in the big guns.
\"Together we will destroy the petty gods.\"
Here\'s the Ultimate Team:
Edited by Kamina-Yoshi, 23 September 2009 - 06:31 PM.
#28
Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:35 PM
The sharingan itself is a 'copycat' type of eye to begin with. He doesn't need to train for ages to use techniques, he just needs to see them. That's quite different than other characters, not to mention he is a prodigy, already a fast learner to begin with. It also seems like the eye techniques are things that don't need to achieved through a ton of training but just need to be seen. It would make sense because of the sharingan's ability anyways.
The power of love always seemed to drive the heroes, not actually give them some higher power.
Naruto is the main character, he is supposed to show accomplishment through training. You don't see kishi giving time to other characters training do you? It is hinted at for others, but not given real time in the manga because they AREN'T the hero. And love driving the hero is usually meant to mean they are stronger because they love, because they don't give up when it comes to their love, because they have faith and hope. This mindset DOES make a character stronger. Because they DON'T give up they can develop a higher power.
It's going to be easy for Sasuke, but don't think he will just get it easy for free. It's already shown some of his sanity is lacking already. There is obviously something very dark within the Uchiha blood. It won't be easy for Naruto, it never has been, but he will win in the end because he has love and he doesn't give up.
#29
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:01 PM
Edited by Freakazoid, 23 September 2009 - 07:02 PM.
#30
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:11 PM
But yeah, Uchiha is pretty hax, I am not disagreeing that it is. At the same time, I'm not gonna ask for 20 chapters of Sasuke training. I don't want to see it, there is no need to see it either.
#31
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:13 PM
But yeah, Uchiha is pretty hax, I am not disagreeing that it is. At the same time, I'm not gonna ask for 20 chapters of Sasuke training. I don't want to see it, there is no need to see it either.
Your post was basically saying that because he had the Sharingan, it's all gud. Plus my original post was just adressing that Sasuke didn't have to work hard for what he got, that would be why I said it didn't exactly adress what I was talking about.
That doesn't change the fact that Sasuke is getting random power he has not worked for. Not even a mention of how he trained to use some of these things.
Edited by Freakazoid, 23 September 2009 - 07:17 PM.
#32
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:31 PM
That doesn't change the fact that Sasuke is getting random power he has not worked for. Not even a mention of how he trained to use some of these things.
I said the sharingan makes it easier, not that it's 'all gud'. My post said he didn't NEED to train. If you don't have to train to use a power, why train? Not every ability in the ninja world will need a lot of training to perfect. The Uchiha eye abilities don't seem to NEED training to use. There is a difference between gaining an ability that needs training to use and gaining an ability that just needs unlocking and can be put to use right away. I also said, if he didn't have to work hard training, that doesn't mean he doesn't lose something in return for his power. His eyesight, his sanity, those things are being lost. In the end it is fairer than you are making it out to be.
I do think Kishi screwed up with the power levels and probably has to push Sasuke more to keep up with Naruto. It's hard to tell where the problem began actually...part II has been so messed up, but to me the power levels haven't made much sense.
#33
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:40 PM
I do think Kishi screwed up with the power levels and probably has to push Sasuke more to keep up with Naruto. It's hard to tell where the problem began actually...part II has been so messed up, but to me the power levels haven't made much sense.
Again, he doesn't need to train because he can just use them? That would be what my original post was about. Complaining that he indeed didn't have to work hard for what he has, that he just gets it.
You honostly think that Sasuke is going to lose his eyesight? Haha, you don't know Kishimoto very well. Sanity? He is very sane, I haven't seen any out of character things for him yet... perhaps soon enough, but not yet.
#34
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:46 PM
Or just Chuck Norris...
Anyway, catsi made a very good point and I totally agree with it!
What is the main thing pissing me is that how much of an underdog Naruto has to be and how much more he has to sacrifice to fullfill his promise returning Sasuke, because just to return him he can't use anything "too" lifethreatening.
Something that all Uchihas have forgot:
"Whit great powers comes great pus**!" -Pablo Francisco
#35
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:57 PM
sasuke is god, apparently. like we didn't know already. what's next. him gaining immortality seeing as it comes with the akatsuki package? but i won't abandon my favorite manga yet! i'm too much of a fangirl and i'm still waiting for someone to kick sasuke's ass.
#36
Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:10 PM
How quickly they forget Hinata with her byakugan and her lion fists of doom.
and as to a woman with power well Ill take sakura crackng 6.5 on the richter scale in her debut in part II any day of the week and twice on sunday.
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#37
Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:16 PM
Well, you're forgetting about Hinata, she's a woman in 'Naruto' with a kekkei genkai (the byakugan).
Anyways, since I'm a major feminist I'll just say that I WANT the Mizukage to kick Sasuke's a**. But of course, knowing Kishimoto, that isn't likely to happen, fot my displeaser
Anyways, why Sasuke? I mean, reacently it's only been Sasuke this, Sasuke that... when is it going to be Naruto vs Sasuke? I and here's something I really wanted to see: A fight Sasuke vs Sakura. But again, that won't happen.
What is happening to the manga?! If Kishimoto continues like this he won't have anymore fans.
#38
Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:19 PM
I don't understand at all why this is supposed to be a bad thing. Sasuke is the primary antagonist. Who cares about how he received his power...he's going to get beaten eventually. If he obtained his power through blood, sweat, and tears like Naruto has, that would mean he deserves to win. But Deidara is the only person he's defeated fairly since training with Orochimaru (not counting Cursed Seal/Cloud/Samurai mooks).
And him going blind is very possible. The only way for him to not go blind is to take Itachi's eyes...which he refuses to do. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this turns out to be the punishment that he has to live with.
I also don't get where all this "Sasuke is God" complaining is coming from. Last I checked, he got his ass kicked two chapters ago and is about to receive another Kage curb stomping.
#39
Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:23 PM
And as if we didn't already get that the Mizukage was on a man-hunt XDD oh the lulz if she ever meets Kakashi~
Too old to spark her interest. She likes the "barely legal" guys- Gaara, Sasuke, and yeah Naruto too I'm betting.
She's a Cougar, not a fangirl. She wants to spank Sasuke the "bad boy" and make him into her "boytoy". He serves her not she serves him. Gaara was so soft spoken and calm he didn't spark more than a "oh what a sweet young guy" reaction. Sasuke is a bad boy that needs to be punished though, just the sort of thing that excites Cougars. Naruto's lively heroic nature I'm betting will also excite her, not in the sense she'll want to make him her boytoy but make her be the mature version of a fangirl for him.
When you go to war, both sides lose totally- Yoko Ono
Remember, our hearts are one. Even when we are at war with each other, our hearts are always beating in unison- Yoko Ono 2009
#40
Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:41 PM
And him going blind is very possible. The only way for him to not go blind is to take Itachi's eyes...which he refuses to do. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this turns out to be the punishment that he has to live with.
I also don't get where all this "Sasuke is God" complaining is coming from. Last I checked, he got his ass kicked two chapters ago and is about to receive another Kage curb stomping.
If I was confident Sasuke would get blacklash for everything he has done, then perhaps all this wouldn't be that big of a deal. BUT, I honostly don't believe anymore that Kishimoto will play it out like that.
Also, I do think Gaara 'saved' the Raikage, atleast I'm pretty sure that was the agreed upon turn of events. Maybe he saved them both, but it still stands that Raikage was saved. Then Sasuke proceded to give 2 Kages a slip. So the ending to those fights were far from a curb stomp.
Edited by Freakazoid, 23 September 2009 - 08:43 PM.
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