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[Bail o' Lies]

The thing I want to know Bail is why is this trash so protected why are they keeping this going?

Oh that's easy. Ikemoto's Contract with Shueisha.

 

I explained this years ago when Kodaichi was "let go," but corporations don't really like to fire people outright, because then they can be sued for wrongful termination of employment; yes, even in Japan. So what most corporations prefer is contracts that last for a fix term that have to be renewed every couple of years, instead of permanent employment. If they like the contractor's work, they renew it. If they do a great job, then that employee can renegotiate for better terms. If they do a poor job, corporations don't renew and simply let it expire; therefore firing the person without risk of being sued. 

 

Corporations when they have a bad employee prefer not to go for contract termination, unless they have to due to the employee breeching the contract in someway that justify their firing to protect the company from being sued, and would rather just let the contract expire. So what do they do to this employee they want gone, but don't want to fire them? They just put them somewhere where they won't cost much or do much harm to the corporation, while they wait for the contract to expire. You have to really piss them off or they feel you won't sue them to get many corporations to fire you early instead of just waiting for the contract to end.

 

(Those Hollywood strikes that happened for a few months were part of renegotiating their contracts that terms' were ending. They will renegotiate in three years.

 

Kathleen Kennedy has remained the head of Lucasfilms despite all the damage she has done is because of her contract. Before George Lucas handed it over to Disney, he made Kennedy's contract ironclad; that pretty much prevent any termination of the contract beyond expiration. The times her contract was up for renewal, there were reasons Disney found to keep her. People hope with the failure of Indiana Jones, Willow, the overall failure of Star Wars, and the problems in Florida removing Disney's government safety net will finally force Disney to let her go.)

 

Now, I do not know much about the contracts mangaka have with their magazines'. However, when Kodaichi left he said that he was contracted to do 15 volumes and that it was the halfway point of the manga. Therefore, it is likely that Ikemoto is still under those next 15 volumes. So 30 in total, Boruto: The Never-Ending Prologue was 20 volumes. That means Boruto part two is 10 volumes under the current contract. Now, reasonably if a manga was successful they would renew it for longer. I believe the corporation refuses to extend his contract.

 

Here is what I think happened. Ikemoto always just wanted to coast off Naruto's legacy and milk Boruto for money while putting minimal effort into the manga. When the contract was up for renewal his bosses wondered, why it wasn't selling? So he put the blame on Kodaichi, or Kodaichi got the blame because he was the writer. So Kodaichi was let go and he hoped to coast for another term. However, the reason they somewhat let it go on was the success of Boruto's contemporaries had internationally, so the pressure was off Boruto, but now those manga are ending. So, they decided to look into, why Boruto wasn't making the money they were promised? When they realized Ikemoto was costing them money and was wasting their time. I suspect they ordered him to speed up the manga to get to part two, and if it isn't successful they will terminate his contract early. As the cost of continuing his manga is more than what he could get from suing them. If he is fired, they likely won't be able to use Boruto anymore depending on what amount of rights belong to him, and depending on that. nH/SS is intrinsically tied to Boruto. When its gone, they maybe gone as well.

 

Ikemoto probably has some level of rights to Boruto character at least the ones that were introduced in Boruto. So companies might be reluctant to give that up, as well as Kishimoto probably doesn't want to stab him in the back, and SP investment in the Boruto anime (yes, they put it on Hiatus but clear a lot of their staff is invested in nH and their story being canon) are factors protecting him.

 

TLDR: Ikemoto was under a contract that prevented Boruto from being cancelled as easily as other manga, but recently the poor quality of Boruto finally got on executives' nerve; so they ordered him to get to part two and put more effort into it or it will be cancelled. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 January 2024 - 07:54 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

DragonBall Super has reached its 100th chapter. They ended the movie adaptation arc. Which I thought was fine, as it was Toyotaro adding his own taste to the story instead of a copy and paste. 

 

Summary Time: Chapter (8)5. Target...most of those shut down where I live due to all the lootings.

 

Cover page is Sasuke with a tree in the background.

 

The chapter starts out with a flashback to Bolt's training under Sasuke until he got stuck in a tree. It says something about how awful Bolt's design and hairstyle normally are, that this undetailed messy mop is his best look so far. Apparently, in a year's time Bolt has nearly mastered everything Sasuke could teach him. Remember, Sasuke is "the most powerful ninja in the world" at the moment; of course barring any random Ikemoto character. Christ, I know they are trying to make Bolt a genius but it would have been better if he was only half trained by Sasuke and then had his training completed by Clone Jiraiya. So the incomplete training under different masters create flaws in his style that he must over come. Sasuke then talks about how Bolt reminds him of Naruto with his determination, and he believes that he and Salad are the only ones that can deal with this issue...oh Ikemoto trying to show that he is considering bringing Salad into more importance. Doubt anything will come of it, but I suspect this is a result of people not being please with how she has been shown these first few chapters of part two. As well as how she behave by the end of part one.

 

Then they fight Punk with Sasuke taking his eye. He tells Bolt to run and take care of Salad. Then he is put in the tree and Bolt picks up his sword.

 

Oh no. Now he is posing somewhere with his current haircut...this is why you don't cut your own hair people.

 

Back to the Village...oh it was Moegi that was stuck in a tree...again it is hard to tell who is who with Ikemoto's art. The Neo-Ino-Shika-Cho and Konohamaru swear revenge... the lessons of Naruto put into practice, start a new cycle of hatred, never forgive; another success Naruto. Oh Tree-Moegi, who they decide to name themselves Matsuri can sense their feeling through the tree I guess...does that mean Tree-Sasuke has to hear all Bolt's heart to heart with Sasuke? Tree-Jenga, whose name is Jura, then talks about how they are all still the ten-tails, therefore one being, however due to Punk's foolishness they are experiencing independence and consciousness for the first time, and they state their goal is to eat both Bolt and Nail. Also, Tree-Jenga also feels a strong need to eat Naruto as well...is...is he getting that desire from Sasuke? 

 

Oh Hime is listening in to all of this. Is she going to tell anyone about this new threat?

 

Apparently, due to their new freedom and minds they want to eat more people instead of just Otsutsuki. Tree-Moegi wants to eat Konohamaru...again is the desire to eat Naruto from Sasuke? Tree-Sasuke name is Hidari which means left-hand/side. Tree-Bug (he is the only one not named here, so again, I suspect he is the first one to be defeated) looks straight at Hime and declares he is going to eat her, and Tree-Sasuke is Salad. So the person he cares most about is his daughter; he has never mentioned Sakura in Boruto and certainly not in this chapter. You know, going off the SS manga Sakura might actually enjoy being eaten by Tree-Sasuke. So they can be one for all eternity...Is Sasuke's fear making sure Tree-Sasuke doesn't want to eat Sakura?

 

Oh Madoc is back and he is talking to the Clone. He points out he knows Nail has his daughter's data because he recognizes the modification to Nail's body as his own work. You know, I was expecting him to not be affect by the switch because he is an Ikemoto character. The short shock at the start of it was all that was going to happen. Sai was overhearing this on the monitor and informs Shikamaru. Salad and the Clone discuss how that's the case, when they still have photos and other physical evidence that Bolt is Naruto's son. Apparently, because they trust their memory over physical evidence. Then Bolt appears behind them and Salad runs up to hug him with the Clone watching on. Guess they are confirming BS.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 December 2023 - 11:00 PM.

[luans7]

This hug from Sarada to Boruto, if BoruSara happens, will be similar to Sakura's hug to Sasuke with Naruto watching. However, if it's BoruSumi, it will be akin to Sakura's hug to Naruto with Hinata watching after the fight against Pain...

Worse is that they are incorporating various elements of NaruSaku into BoruSara... At the beginning of Boruto, I thought they would make BoruSara a heterosexual version of NaruSasu

[Bail o' Lies]

This hug from Sarada to Boruto, if BoruSara happens, will be similar to Sakura's hug to Sasuke with Naruto watching. However, if it's BoruSumi, it will be akin to Sakura's hug to Naruto with Hinata watching after the fight against Pain...

Worse is that they are incorporating various elements of NaruSaku into BoruSara... At the beginning of Boruto, I thought they would make BoruSara a heterosexual version of NaruSasu

This chapter pretty much makes it clear the pairing is Boruto and Sarada. Sasuke says those two will save the world, he ask Bolt to take care of her, and the hug while the clone is watching.

 

The post Pein hug was suppose to push NS. It was suppose to cancel out the Hinata's suicidal charge. Either way if Ikemoto is referencing it or not, I don't see this as pushing The Clone as the love interest. Her look said more, "I'm sad i won't being marrying Bolt, but I'm willing to stpe aside for my friend Salad's happiness." Than, "I will still end up with him in the end."

 

Sarada is Sakura 2.0. Sakura with all her flaws that made her hated removed. She is not a female Sasuke.

 

For BS to be a SNS clone it would require for Bolt and Salad to have a rivalry of mutual respect. Salad was not that involved in the plot enough to have a rivalry with Bolt and Nail took over Sasuke's role of being the bro bond bro of bro rivalry bro with Bolt. So BS has always been a less interesting version of NS. 

 

Sumire, the Hinata Clone is a creation of the anime staff and they were the ones pushing her. If they are not pushing. Then, it defaults to Sarada being the love interest.

 

Also Ikemoto really doesn't have time to waste. He has ten volumes for part two and that's about 40 chapters. So after this one, he has 35 chapters left to tell the rest of his plot. So setting up BS so there is no pairing conflict later and resolving the switch issue quickly. Is something Ikemoto has to do.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 April 2024 - 01:51 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Oh just to remind people that only people's memories were change not physical evidence. Now they only bring up a family photo. But that also means records and documents like birth certificates and the various personnel files like from the Kakashi face reveal one-shot (where Team 7 trying to figure out a way to see Kakashi's face had already looked through at least two different public records then when Kakashi disguised suggested sneaking a peak at a third file his registration form) should have remained unchanged. As well as video recordings, I bring this up since Bolt was interviewed at least once and was introduced as "Boruto Uzumaki, son of our Seventh Hokage, Naruto Uzumaki."

 

The fact that they only bring up the photo as well as forgetting these other pieces of evidence kind of shows how smart the person writing this is. As well as how dumb the idea was. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 December 2023 - 11:16 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

https://www.youtube....3LkcvwwveDEcldD my review of the last 3 chapters with luckychi

[Bail o' Lies]

https://www.youtube....3LkcvwwveDEcldD my review of the last 3 chapters with luckychi

Just for the record. I do the summaries without images because the images' source may be taken down eventually...also this site can be a pain with some images. You are doing a video. When going over the summary showing the images gives the viewer something to look at.

 

Also during a discussion podcast. The summaries should be done concise and gone through quickly so you can get to the meat of the show. The discussion. Rambling and meandering through the summary chases off viewers. For example, "Chapter 3. Boruto shows off his new attack that one-shots Code by inflicting him with Vertigo. Then Kawaki interfered allowing Code to get away." Then, go into detail in your discussions.

 

My Summaries are play by play both to go through the story and to express my problems with the plot as I read it. But, it shouldn't take more than a few minutes to read one of my Summaries. Even if you are going to do a play by play it should still be structured to make sure there is no meandering or rambling. 

 

The way you decided to do you reviews of the chapters is not the best. 1-3 was intro as well the fight against Punk, 4-5 were the introduction to the tree people who got caught as well as who they are going after, and by the looks of it 6 onward will probably deal Bolt back in the village. 3-5 is, "Well Bolt just one shotted Punk, therefore reducing his threat level to mere nuisance, so here are the new villains for the arc Tree-People." Also. Summary. Discussion. Summary. Discussion. Is not the best structure. Go through the chapters you want to talk about then discuss them.

[Bail o' Lies]

Ah. The chapter was release today. I thought it was going to release on the 20th again like normal.

 

Summary Time: Chapter (8)6. Three Years...You know, the time skip doesn't feel like three years have passed in story. Granted, if Ikemoto didn't have someone breathing down his neck; it may have taken him three years to even reach this point in part two.

 

Cover Page is Shikamaru.

 

Incase people forgot those two elders that were The Third Hokage's teammates are still around and are still the elders. Shikamaru is reporting to them on what has happened. They tell him that Bolt must be eliminated and they need to talk about the village's budget. Also Shikamaru has not officially taken the title of Eight Hokage...is this some act of humility or has Ikemoto been informed people didn't like the idea of him being hokage?

 

Shikamaru has Ino bring him old mission records...as the flip only affected memory not physical evidence. They have never done this sooner because Ikemoto is one of those bad writers where things can only happen if they are on screen. Also apparently, from what I have been hearing, people are trying to convince themselves that Shikamaru knows about the switch and has a plan. No, to both. He only got suspicious about it last chapter after being informed by Sai of what Madoc said. As for a plan? He is a stupid useless Kishimoto character not a brilliant near flawless ikemoto character; of course he doesn't have a plan. Ino asks him what is up telepathically and he wants this kept a complete secret while he investigates.

 

Oh Hime is telling Nail about the Tree people not Shikamaru, I guess because Shikamaru is a filthy worthless Kishimoto character. Moe asks...sorry this is so stupid. Moe points out that only a handful of people know Naruto is still alive themselves (Nail, Moe, & Hime) and Bolt and Sasuke. Bolt and Sasuke are discredited because they are criminals. But for some reason if those tree people come around asking for Naruto; people might realize he is still alive...what. Why? Why would the village believe the tree people? Why would they not just assume the tree people are misinformed or lying? And again, this is another nail in the coffin on how stupid the sealing Naruto away instead of killing him was. Oh Cups might have been listing in.

 

On to Bolt, Salad, and the Clone. Salad is embarrassed over her the hug she gave Bolt. Clone realizing it is too awkward for Salad tries to break the ice...oh God the side profile of Bolt is so bad. Bolt is there to inform Salad of what happened to her father. He is trying to make this quick before Nail senses him.

 

Nail senses Bolt's presence in front of Cups. Cups sick of Nail mistreating him uses a snake to knock him out...remember that Nail is Bolt's great rival, who he must defeat to rescue his parent and likely save the village if not the world. So, he can find Bolt himself to workout his mixed up feelings. He used to live his life kissing Bolt's ass but when he tries to do it with Nail, he keeps kicking him away. He contacts Shikamaru, who then uses Ino to open a private link with Bolt.

 

Cups starts a fight with Bolt. Bolt has an attack called purple lighting. Bolt decides to leave the village so he out of Nail's sensing range. Shikamaru asks if he is Uzumaki Boruto. However, Cups put his little white snake in Bolt's pants. So, he was able to track him.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 January 2024 - 09:36 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Oh the Dragon Ball Super chapter was Gohan verse Goku... somewhat.

 

Summary Time: Chapter (8)7. The Whereabouts of The Sun. Incase people forgot that is what Cups consider Bolt and constantly calls him...Yes, people from what I understand do think Boruto/Mitsuki are a better pairing.

 

Cover page is Cups with a snake design as the background. Right, his design is the best of the worst, but it still very generic.

 

Cups goes on about his weird Sun & Moon bit...Oh wait he still thinks Nail is his sun and isn't questioning it...my mistake. How obsessed was he with Bolt beforehand? He barely existed in the first part, so it was hard to tell. Granted it was pretty much his only personality trait other than being Snake Sai. Cups decided to knock Nail out because, he assume since Bolt can defeat Punk, he must be stronger than Nail is right now. Granted while Nail has never been that impressive, none of the the characters have been in this manga, but I also expect some kitten power up at some point. He also say he can't go all out without asking Nail/Bolt if he is around.

 

The fight...eh. Both of them can use lighting elemental release. Bolt eventually wins by putting his sword near Cups' neck. Cups tell him to get it over with. Bolt says he can feels Cups' faith in Nail is wavering. While they are talking Shikamaru ask Ino if she can extent the telepathic link to Cups so he can explain what is going on...no, wait, he wants to hear both sides of this very gay conversation. Ino says it is too risky. So its up to Bolt to convince Cups. The very gay conversation about being Cups' sun continues, Bolt says he can shine on his own, and reveals his father is alive to all three.

 

Nail wakes up.

 

Shikamaru has a conversation with Bolt telling him everything...Ok, this is stupid. So, apparently, if I am reading this right, part of Omnipotence's power is even if you learn about it, it won't ever stick, and it knowledge will slowly fade...its not said but I assume without constant reinforcing of the fact. What kitten to keep this stupid plot line going, and again there is physical evidences. Which they are still pretending doesn't exist. Again, to keep this going. This also means Bolt will have convince them all again over and over. And may have had to do so before already. Oh. And he didn't tell them about the tree-people. Just about his feelings towards Nail.

 

Now the tree-people are reading. And feel the books they have aren't answering the question they have. They decided to go eat Naruto. Damn it, Sasuke.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 23 February 2024 - 09:21 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Somehow boruto has done a friendship more yoai than narusasu

[Bail o' Lies]

The thing with Naruto's male friendship being seen as gay was more due to yaoi shipping googles, when you take a step back, and just look at it; most just come off as male friendship.

 

Here, they can say "bro" all they want. All I was thinking while reading this was "dear god just have Bolt, Cups, and Nail make out already so we can move this plot along."

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 February 2024 - 05:22 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Had internet problems.

 

Read the DragonBall Super Chapter. You know if they ended it right here due to Toriyama's death this is a decent ending. The Saiyans are all training together, the Red Ribbon Army stop being a threat, and Goku started to bond with Pan. You could go to the final chapter from here with only a few questions.

 

A Moment of Silence for the passing of a great artist.

 

...Now for a story with nothing decent in it.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 8(8). It doesn't matter...never has there been a title that sums up the entire story more than this.

 

Cover Page is Tree-Jenga...no, I am not going to bother remembering its name, because i don't remember what it was anyways.

 

Guh. Bolt declares to Cups that, he is "Cups' Sun and to come find him at anytime"...God, that was as lame as it was corny. It is also not helping as that could be an awful pick up line. Oh and it is made worse by Hime watching and declaring "that it was like too cool. oh my gosh." What worse about an attempted cool moment falling flat is the writer praising themselves over it. Also, this is making my prediction that Hime will fall for Bolt, from the end of part one, more predictable than the Sun rising in the East tomorrow. Nail is behind her wondering why it is taking so long to track Bolt. Oh Mustard is still here, don't know where she has been for the last eight chapters, and she is still worshipping Hime. Oh apparently Hime still lives in the villa outside of the village.

 

Oh Fucking Finally! Someone tells Shikamaru about the Tree People. Nail decides to mental contact Shikamaru through the sensory division, guess that's their job now to be the psychic phone company. Shikamaru worries about Nail catching onto his conversation with Bolt but Ino says she can keep them separate. Bolt leaves and Nail realizes Bolt left before he could sense him...somehow. I think the story wants this to be the start of him suspecting Shikamaru or someone is working with Bolt.

 

Cups goes to the villa and is surprised to see Hime there. They and Moe have a conversation about how Nail doesn't care about him. Cups also thanks Hime for allowing him to experience the emotion love. That and his doubts with Nail have lead him to decided to seek self affirmation instead of seeking it from others. And Hime makes it clear he loves "Nail"...god this really is gayer than Naruto; back then they always hid behind brotherly feelings but this is just full out admission.

 

Oh there had been this random nudist running around so Tree-Jenga and Tree-Sasuke use it to transport to the village to eat Naruto. They can feel him...damn it Sasuke. Thankfully they are sensed and a whole bunch of Mooks come out to greet them. Oh Hime informs Shikamaru what they are and apologizes for not telling him sooner...guess people in Japan were pointing that stupidity out; you know because one of the targets is herself. Tree-Jenga walks into a book story and as a joke Tree-Sasuke ask if Naruto is in there. Nail finds them. Tree- Jenga senses the tailed beast Chakra within Naruto to locate him, but instead they find the daughter...the daughter has inherited both the byakugan from her mother and the nine tails' chakra from Naruto...sigh

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 March 2024 - 06:34 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well looks like Himawari is the new kurama jinjuriki

[Bail o' Lies]

Well Blue, I already guess that when you mentioned the spoilers two days early. Its not like it hard to guess...just kind of annoying. As it is the predictable outcome. No Dragon Ball Super this month. must have went on hiatus while deciding if they should continue it or not.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 8(9). Nine Tails...is it spoilers if they are not even trying to hide it?

 

Cover page is Neo-Ino-Shika-Cho...my god, how did they mess this up. Shikamaru's son is suppose to have his mother's eyes, so he isn't just a clone of his father. God, I think Fat Filler has won the worst outfit competition.

 

Tree-Jenga continues where we last left off surprised that they found the daughter instead of Naruto. Oh, Neo-Ino-Shika-Cho are there too. Tree-Jenga pulls out a book to identify Shikamaru's Son. They chat. Then Tree-Jenga says that Naruto isn't in the village there is only the nine tails' chakra coming from the girl. Tree-Jenga summons tree roots to absorb the daughter just like Sasuke and Moegi...and Shikamaru's son is able to use his shadow powers to free her by pulling the roots off her after they had already captured her...why haven't they tried releasing the other people that have been caught, or is this some contrivance that he was able to release her before she was absorbed? Tree-Jenga compliments the teamwork of Neo-Team 10 as they worked to rescue the daughter. So as he has part of Jenga of the Nice Manners' personality he decides to warn the team that they only plan to eat her but if they continue to interfere, they are on the menu too. Son contacts his father...I am so sick of this constant sensor division telepathic link and the fact that it has become such a major part of the story now.

 

God the daughter looks awful. She questions why they are going after her...well, she is about as smart as both her parents as Tree-Jenga has said over and over again, that they are after the Nine Tails' chakra in her.

 

Madoc tries to wake up Nail, and sees Tree-Jenga on the monitor.

 

Bolt is with Clone Jiraiya....honestly, I question why I have to add that detail to the nickname, at this point most of the cast are just clones of the old cast, even the villains. Clone Jiraiya informs Bolt that his toads see the tree-people in the village...he is actually seeing through his toads through some shared vision...sigh, did Jiraiya even have a power like that? I pretty sure the Toad Elders would have mentioned that the Rinnegan is similar to one of their abilities. Clone Jiraiya tells Bolt to fly to the "Triangles" does anyone know that location in the village?

 

More back and forth between Tree-Jenga and Shikamaru's Son and he reiterates that he is going to eat her.

 

Clone Jiraiya sends a toad to Shikamaru.

 

Nail finally wakes up and senses Bolt...please be smart enough to do enemy of my enemy against the tree people...Nope. He tracks down Bolt and they fight. Nail is no match for Bolt, I swear Nail has been beaten by everyone he tries to fight in like seven chapter out of nine so far, but Bolt is forced to flee because he can't control his karma when nail activates his.

 

Tree-Jenga fires off a Biju ball. Sarada and the Clone are going to join the fight...WHERE ARE THE ADULTS!?!?! One of the problems story wise with having every single fight in the village is the longer its drawn out the less sense it makes for more adults not to come in and join the fight. Where is Sakura? Where is Lee? Sai? Shino? Konohamaru? Kiba? Chouji? Temari? Are Shikamaru and Ino the only two adults left in the village? Not only that but these Trees just walked into the village and were met by squads of ninja. There should never been a stop to having more leaf village ninja fighting them because, they know where they are. From what I recall from the chunin exam, the plan when the village is attacked is first escort the civilians to safety, then counterattack. They tried to do that during the Pein attack, he just overwhelmed them. Here, you see civilians just milling around. From what I recall, Naruto tended to avoid having big fights in the village as shown and explain during the Itachi-Kisame vs The Teams Jounin-Sensei. That it is a bad idea to have a long drawn out fight in the village as more and more powerful ninja will sense the fight and come to help their fellow villagers. Here, in the sequel, almost every fight is a fight within the village. It increasingly makes the story unrealistic as the thought pulls you out of the story. As it reinforce the fact that the plot doesn't make sense and is built on contrivances.

 

Neo-Ino-Shika-Cho flees with the daughter...and at the end of the chapter the daughter is brought into her mental world to have a talk with a tiny Kurama....so lets start with something simple, was this planned all along? I suspect, no. This was not planned all along this was added to allow the daughter to be involved in the story, by giving her a super mode and skill sets so she can join in on the fights from now on...I am already resigning myself to that. However, it is reasonable enough through contrivance for people to think it was. Since, it can be seen as a kill and then later revive a character for two ratings boost.

 

So now the two problems with this revival and its cause.

 

We were informed in Naruto that when a Jinchuriki dies the tail beast that resides with in them would also die, but would reform itself over time. This happened to the Three Tails Isobu when Rin died. Kurama's baryon mode or Suicide Nuke Mode as I like to call it; anyways it was implied it was different in that it would burn through all the Biju's Chakra and cause them to permanently die. Now next chapter they are going to probably do everything to try and dismiss or justify this. But for the moment. If it doesn't kill the biju and allows them to escape their host without killing them either, why didn't the tailed beast use it in the century they were used as weapons by the villages? Just tell/trick their host about this super mode then go into hiding while they assume the tailed beast is dead. Now they are probably going to make some excuse, that he would have died but their was traces of his chakra in the daughter, and it allowed him to reform. Which leads to another question, why didn't he also reform in Bolt? This also leads to a problem as Naruto was suppose to be The Last Jinchuriki, now Kurama will carry on through his lineage as a convenient super mode for all time. Won't the other villages just be so happy to hear that?

 

Second this is clearly and ordered over reaction to the over focus on Bolt and Nail in part one. In Part one, incase anyone forgot, it was pretty much Bolt and Ikemoto's new characters, which were mostly villains, that were important. Which means it was pretty much just Nail and bolt for the main cast. The rest of the cast as in the old cast from Naruto and the next generation which are the side characters are almost completely ignored. Not help that neither Bolt or Nail are fan favorites, in fact they are largely disliked, that could justify the over focus on them. So part two Ikemoto was order to focus on more characters. So far it seems to be Bolt, Nail, Salad, Cups, Hime, Moe, Daughter. Fat Filler, Blond Sai, Shikamaru's Son, Konohamaru, Clone Jiraiya, Shikamaru and Ino. 14 characters at the moment, that is too many especially given Ikemoto's writing ability, and the fact that Part two may only have 40 chapters. Naruto main cast was normally 4 Characters: Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi, and Kishimoto struggled with even that.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 22 April 2024 - 07:07 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Sorry wasn't sure anyone was going to comment

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Well Blue, I already guess that when you mentioned the spoilers two days early. It not like it hard to guess...just kind of annoying. No Dragon Ball Super this month. must have went on hiatus while deciding if they should continue it or not.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 8(9). Nine Tails...is it spoilers if they are not even trying to hide it?

 

Cover page is Neo-Ino-Shika-Cho...my god, how did they mess this up. Shikamaru's son is suppose to have his mother's eyes, so he isn't just a clone of his father. God, I think Fat Filler has won the worst outfit competition.

 

Tree-Jenga continues where we last left off surprised that they found the daughter instead of Naruto. Oh Neo-Ino-Shika-Cho are there too. Tree-Jenga pulls out a book to identify Shikamaru's Son. They chat. Then Tree-Jenga says that Naruto isn't in the village there is only the nine tails' chakra coming from the girl. Tree-Jenga summons tree roots to absorb the daughter just like Sasuke and Moegi...and Shikamaru's son is able to use his shadow powers by pulling the roots off her after they had already captured her...why haven't they tried releasing the other people that have been caught, or is this some contrivance that he able to release her before she was absorbed? Tree-Jenga compliments the teamwork of Neo-Team 10 as they worked to rescue the daughter. So as he is part of Jenga of the Nice Manners' personality he decides to warn the team they they only plan to eat her but if they continue to interfere, they are on the menu too. Son contacts his father...I am so sick of this constant sensor division telepathic link and the fact that it has become such a major part of the story now.

 

God the daughter looks awful. She questions why they are going after her...well, she is about as smart as both her parents as Tree-Jenga has said over and over again, that they are after the Nine Tails chakra in her.

 

Madoc tries to wake up Nail, and see Tree-Jenga on the monitor.

 

Bolt is with Clone Jiraiya....honestly, I question why I have to add that detail, by this point most of the cast are just clones of the old cast, even the villains. Clone Jiraiya informs Bolt that his toads...he is actually seeing through his toads through some shared vision...sigh, did Jiraiya even have a power like that? I pretty sure the Toad Elders would have mentioned that the Rinnegan is similar to one of their abilities. CJ tells Bolt to fly to the "Triangles" does anyone know that location in the village?

 

More back and forth between Tree-Jenga and Shikamaru's Son and he reiterates that he is going to eat her.

 

CJ sends a toad to Shikamaru.

 

Nail finally wakes up and sense Bolt...please be smart enough to do enemy of my enemy against the tree people...Nope. He tracks down Bolt and they fight. Nail is no match for Bolt but Bolt is forced to flee because he can't control his karma.

 

Tree-Jenga fires off a Biju ball. Sarada and the Clone are going to join the fight...WHERE ARE THE ADULTS!?!?!

 

NT10 flee with the daughter...and at the end of the chapter the daughter is brought into her mental world to have a talk with Kurama....so much to say but a break for now.

Damn, tepegraphed since the chapter of "death". So much for so little...

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Damn, telegraphed since the chapter of "death". So much for so little...

I think that it was an option but wasn't planned and they were forced to add it to give the daughter powers. So she could fight and be a main character. Of course whether I am right or wrong, this is very by the numbers and generic.
 
To make my thoughts on this a bit clearer. "Do you believe they planned to give the daughter Kurama when they killed him?" That would require Ikemoto to care about another Next Generation character Kishimoto made, besides Bolt, enough to want to do a story with them.
 
Part Two has been Ikemoto addressing problems people had with part one to appease his bosses. One of those being that most of the casts' presence in the manga has been nonexistent.
 
For example, remember Neo-team 7 members Cups, Salad, and Konohamaru barely existed in part one and they were suppose to be part of the main cast along with Bolt and Nail. Konohamaru barely existed, even before Nail appeared, that it would be easy to forget, that he is suppose to be the Team Captain and Jonin Sensei. Therefore, the main cast main teacher and adult role model. Now, he may be involved only because Moegi has been absorbed and one of the tree people wants to eat him. Cups pretty much just hanged around Salad and they barely even talked about let alone developed his story with his "Sun" Bolt; until part two. For Salad, they seemed to actively want her to have nothing to do in the story till the very end of part one, where she is now in the lead to be Bolt's love interest. 
 
So going off that. She was at best intended to be Moe's civilian love interest, before the executives had enough.
 

Sorry wasn't sure anyone was going to comment

Honestly, it not much of a problem one could already guess it would happen from last chapter and once you talked about spoilers (which means it was something that either interested or pissed off people enough to talk about.) It was clear what it was. I more just reminding of my policy of not looking at spoilers till the summary so it is an honest reaction and thought at the time. Then edit to fix mistakes. I needed to do something yesterday so I had to cut the ending short and came back to it.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 May 2024 - 09:41 PM.

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Another issue that Ikemoto has to deal with is the unpopularity of Nail/Kawaki.

 

In Part One, he was one of the most powerful and competent person in the main cast, with only Madoc and Bolt being able to come close to him. Completely outstripping the rest of the cast due to the favoritism Ikemoto bestowed upon him. As well as ultimately being the focus and core of the story Ikemoto was telling.

 

In Part Two, he is the biggest Jobber of the entire cast, possibly the worst I have ever seen in a story, constantly losing his fights and screwing everything up. It is even implied that some of the cast besides Bolt are stronger than him, at the very least Cups. As well as, instead of being the focus of the story who is making most of the decisions; it is more the cast is working around him. So he doesn't interfere and make everything worse.

 

Now you could justify it in story. His decline in power is because unlike everyone else, he doesn't have a dedicated mentor to train him. So while he didn't stagnate entirely, he didn't improve as fast as the rest of the cast. For his decline in competence, it is because of the guilt and stress of blaming Bolt for Naruto's "death," trying to kill him to cover it up, and an obsession with destroying the Otsutsuki within him to justify his actions.

 

But It is more likely, that during the break between part one and two. They went through the data and realize Kawaki was too unpopular to have such importance in the manga. So his importance in the story has been reduced drastically. So what happened to Sakura but this time it is the actual data instead of skewed numbers to make Hinata the heroine. Oh, the irony. 

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Honestly, forgot today was the 20th...lets see something in the news. Oh apparently the Assassin Creed game's Japanese expert is a Fujoshi that is a yaoi-shota fan. That has actually written books on Monk on Shota action. Not an expert on the Sengoku Jidia the setting is based on but how to make the idealize hot Japanese fantasy underage F*&kboys...What a world.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 90/(10). Kernel. Right. Lets see the BS they make up to justify Kurama's return.

 

Cover page is tiny Kurama and the daughter. Ikemoto inability to convey expression makes it look like they are antagonistic towards each other. 

 

Neo-Ino-Shika-Cho are fleeing on an art bird. Tree-Jenga question why they are even bothering to run. Oh Finally! Some adult are coming to join the fight...oh its Konohamaru with a few mooks. Also Ikemoto has changed his design of Konohamaru. So, he isn't completely unrecognizable like he was at the start of the manga. Shikamaru informs both Bolt and Nail that they are after the daughter. He then ask Nail to make a temporary truce. Nail having some standards seem to feel he is required to protect the daughter...despite ignoring the fact he was told she was in danger last chapter. Character Consistency, what is that? Tree- Jenga goes off to chase the daughter. Leaving Tree-Sasuke to deal with Konohamaru. Konohamaru is shocked that Sasuke is one of the intruders, because it has taken forever for someone to tell Shikamaru the info hasn't been passed down through the Ranks yet. Oh and Salad appears Tree-Sasuke's target. They attack each other with Chidori. Salad question who this person is...it can't be her father because he has a left arm. Oh the tree people have these weird hand feet instead of the Freeza style the nudist had before.

 

Now the conversation with Kurama...why does it feel like Ikemoto can't even draw him properly. Yep, I thought so. So, Kurama 'died' within Naruto but a kernel remains and was able to restore itself within the daughter. What did I say last month. "If it doesn't kill the Biju and allows them to escape their host without killing them either, why didn't the tailed beast use their suicide nuke modes in the century they were used as weapons by the villages? Just tell/trick their host about this super mode. Then go into hiding while they assume the tailed beast is dead." The funny thing is they know this is all BS. So they give multiple reasons, all but saying 'it could be anything,' but end on the fact that she is a Hyuuga and Uzumaki. You know a thing that nH fans will love and stand by as it justifies their pairing happening. "Naruto and Hinata had to get together because their children would be so much more powerful than the children Naruto could have with Sakura. The only reason the daughter has Kurama without any seal is because she is Hinata's daughter." Kurama also says to not give it too much thought. Again. BULL. BULL. This whole thing is BULL.

 

So the answer to, was this planned from that start? No. They did not plan this. Kurama's death was so they wouldn't have to kill off Naruto, remember it was hinted that he is suppose to be dead at this point, they couldn't go through with that because his death might destroy the viewership they had left, and his revival is to give the daughter power to fight in the manga because they were told to add more characters into the cast that would fight beyond just Bolt & Nail. None of this was planned.

 

While they were having this conversation. Tree-Jenga caught up to them and shoots them down. What is up with Kurama's face. Kurama informs the daughter to use his power and that she has a higher affinity with him than anyone else including her father. So they fight, but it takes the likely death of Blond Sai, he was spiked through the chest, for the daughter to awaken Kurama's power. Oh her hair also looks like the nine tails like her grandmother.

 

There is no seal. Kurama has nothing stopping him from giving her his chakra. Which she supposedly has the highest affinity for. Why does she need to awaken it like a super mode? Naruto needed to get emotional to weaken the seal to let Kurama's Chakra pour out. Once they become friends that was no longer needed. Naruto just needed to ask.

 

Where going back into something does happen (The daughter's powers awaken, Tree-Sasuke is revealed to the village, and the likely death of a characters) but most of the pages are filler again with Ikemoto. Soon it will be one thing happens again, then 5 chapters for something to happen, and then fifteen, and so on.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 23 May 2024 - 07:47 AM.

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Well, now that we are Ten Chapters in let me give my impression of the manga so far.

 

But first lets go over the other spin offs of Naruto that have come out since the ending..

 

The Mirai gaiden was probably the best written of the non-Kishimoto spin offs as it does have a clear storyline. Also, had probably the closest to the feel and look of Naruto. What low standards. However, it felt like filler and was very dull. It got somewhat better by the end once the Naruto generation characters stop popping in for their episode.

 

SS gaiden. Felt like a fanfic and needed someone to proof read and edit it. Story events happened more because the writer wanted them to happen and often didn't make sense. They had dinos to try to make it more interesting but just broke the feel of the world. The art work wasn't as good as the Mirai's if you being very nitpicky but was overall fine.

 

MK one shot. Kishimoto at his strongest in both art and writing, and pulled from NS, nH, and SS so none could have a fit about MK.

 

Boruto The Never-Ending Prologue. How they treated Boruto is like how Disney treated Star Wars. With contempt. Believing they could make any dreck and it would sell because of how popular the IP was. Ikemoto made a generic story that would every once and a while do something out of left field to subvert expectations. He didn't have a plan for the story and was just play for time to milk the franchise for what it was worth. Art was an inconstant mess and you could tell Ikemoto want to do his own style that felt like an uneven uncanny unnatural mix of several mangaka art styles. Terrible slow pacing. 

 

Boruto 2BV. The companies patience ran out and order him to get a move on. He had no plan and only came up with a generic plot...with more holes than Swiss cheese. And has since been both going through his generic plot with very little passion while constantly having to reexplain something because the editor has gotten enough complaints about how the story doesn't make sense. The art had stabilized into completely mediocrity. The pacing has improve but apparently that is a bad thing for most people. As they had convinced themselves the slow pacing must mean they were building up to something. When that was simply never the case.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 24 May 2024 - 01:16 PM.