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#39801 Ether

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 09:03 AM

And leave that kittening trailer alone. Its not the first time we are getting a trailer like this are we? Have u forgotten how was trailer of RTN was? thats exactly what happened with Road to Ninja. (The movie mainly centered on NS even though NS wasnt in any of the trailers) If you dont learn from the past, youre doomed to repeat it. 

This marketing makes no sense though. If NS was supposed to be some big surprise in the movie, the manga would have to be open ended with nothing implied in it for it to work. Also, they would be teasing a love triangle rather than just Hinata and her feelings. RTN was not a movie about romance, they never claimed it would be, whereas in this one they're being straightforward about the romance element.

 

Everything points towards NH being canon. That's the only way the marketing makes any sense.



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Posted 01 November 2014 - 09:18 AM

RtN was AUwe didn't see any Naruto's positive response in the trailer...all other characters out there were AUwhereas here we see Naruto looking at her & Sakura encouraging HinataI feel bad for Sakura's treatment everywherebut this crossed limitsTHIS MAY ACTUALLY PROVE NARUTO NEVER LOVED SAKURA it will be kitten but that's what is happeningthe scarf isn't less important

No it doesnt. Hinatas sister is kidnapped so as friends they need to keep her in there. Theres nothing special we need to worry in this friendly conversation.

This marketing makes no sense though. If NS was supposed to be some big surprise in the movie, the manga would have to be open ended with nothing implied in it for it to work. Also, they would be teasing a love triangle rather than just Hinata and her feelings. RTN was not a movie about romance, they never claimed it would be, whereas in this one they're being straightforward about the romance element. Everything points towards NH being canon. That's the only way the marketing makes any sense.

Ohh man . Ok u r saying that its about romance!? Now the question is just because we saw some pro nh thing in the trailer does that mean the whole movie is about nh. It might also be about ns rather than nh!!

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 09:24 AM

For NH to be canon the manga has to be open ended. Which would make the movie 100% canon, which hasn't been advertised. For those of you who believe NH is going to be canon in the movie then that means we will get two chapters of absolutely nothing to end the manga. It will just be one page after another of them receiving medical care and releasing the IT and that's it.



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Posted 01 November 2014 - 09:38 AM

For NH to be canon the manga has to be open ended. Which would make the movie 100% canon, which hasn't been advertised. For those of you who believe NH is going to be canon in the movie then that means we will get two chapters of absolutely nothing to end the manga. It will just be one page after another of them receiving medical care and releasing the IT and that's it.

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And besides i get this feeling that last chapters are gonna be as i want them to be :)

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 09:40 AM

For NH to be canon the manga has to be open ended.

Not at all, Kishimoto can just show them together in the epilogue, then the movie shows how it happened. Come on, are we going to pretend NS would be any more believable when we got Sakura confessing to Sasuke again a few chapters ago? There's obviously going to be no confession from Naruto at all, the movie is enough indication of that. So whatever pairing happens, WILL happen as an asspull over a timeskip.



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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:11 AM

Not at all, Kishimoto can just show them together in the epilogue, then the movie shows how it happened. Come on, are we going to pretend NS would be any more believable when we got Sakura confessing to Sasuke again a few chapters ago? There's obviously going to be no confession from Naruto at all, the movie is enough indication of that. So whatever pairing happens, WILL happen as an asspull over a timeskip.

 

You do not know anything yet, you are simply assuming.

 

I do realize you may be preparing yourself for disappointment, but realize it's only a pairing and being wrong about what one expects in a manga is not the end of the world.

 

Also romance is not going to be a strong point in a SHONEN manga.  Naruto is unique because it has far more romance than probably any other shonen, however, we have to keep in mind the romance and the realism of the characters feelings are not exactly on point...again its an Shonen first and foremost.  If you ask me all the "romances" in the series are crap. 

 

Perhaps the movie is an attempt for Kishimoto to give closure to Hinata?  Considering his limitations and his lack of fleshing out her character and Naruto's response to her this could easily be the case.  Or maybe it indeed is Naruto getting with Hinata! Who knows.

 

Basically, all we can do is speculate now.  Which if you are doing, keep at it, but please do not say things as if they are facts.  


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:13 AM

This marketing makes no sense though. If NS was supposed to be some big surprise in the movie, the manga would have to be open ended with nothing implied in it for it to work. Also, they would be teasing a love triangle rather than just Hinata and her feelings. RTN was not a movie about romance, they never claimed it would be, whereas in this one they're being straightforward about the romance element.

 

Everything points towards NH being canon. That's the only way the marketing makes any sense.

Have you ever considered that its possible that if the manga is open ended,than the movie might just be a bunch of pairing teases galore with no couple being canon at the end?I mean you gotta admit that Sakura being withheld is suspicious not to mention I have seen Naruto being a goofy,lovey dovey guy near Sakura.It would take a complete rewrite to make him seem like a mature serious love kind of a guy like we see before Hinata.


Edited by DarkRadeon, 01 November 2014 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:16 AM

Have you ever considered that its possible that if the manga is open ended,than the movie might just be a bunch of pairing teases galore with no couple being canon at the end?I mean you gotta admit that Sakura being withheld is suspicious not to mention I have seen Naruto being a goofy,lovey dovey guy near Sakura.It would take a complete rewrite to make him seem like a mature serious love kind of a guy like we see before Hinata.

They also withhold Sasuke. But no one care about it here. :umm:


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:23 AM

You do not know anything yet, you are simply assuming.

No, I'm making an educated guess based on the last few chapters of the manga and what's being thrown into my face.
 

 

 

Perhaps the movie is an attempt for Kishimoto to give closure to Hinata?

Because Hinata is such an important character to warrant closure. No, I don't think so.

 

 

Have you ever considered that its possible that if the manga is open ended,than the movie might just be a bunch of pairing teases galore with no couple being canon at the end?I mean you gotta admit that Sakura being withheld is suspicious not to mention I have seen Naruto being a goofy,lovey dovey guy near Sakura.It would take a complete rewrite to make him seem like a mature serious love kind of a guy like we see before Hinata.

Open ending is what I personally consider to be a best case scenario. It's what I'm hoping for at this point.


Edited by Ether, 01 November 2014 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:25 AM

No, I'm making an educated guess based on the last few chapters of the manga and what's being thrown into my face.
 

 

 

Because Hinata is such an important character to warrant closure. No, I don't think so.

 

 

Open ending is what I personally consider to be a best case scenario. It's what I'm hoping for at this point

 

The last few chapters that involved Hinata and Naruto?

 

Oh..wait.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:32 AM

 

The last few chapters that involved Hinata and Naruto?

The last few chapters involved Sakura confessing to Sasuke in front of Naruto. She's kind of an important part of NS.



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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:42 AM

The last few chapters involved Sakura confessing to Sasuke in front of Naruto. She's kind of an important part of NS.

 

The last few chapters?

 

My friend, all of Part II was all about her and Naruto chasing Sasuke.  With the occasional flashbacks reminiscing about Sasuke from the both of them.

 

If we're going to compare facts we might as well get concise and properly whip out panels involving NaruSaku moments.  

 

Do you recall that despite Sakura's original intentions in the first few chapters that she wanted to get with Sasuke that Naruto still fell hard for her when she said all she wanted to be was "acknowledged'?  Odd how that still did not stop Naruto, I'm pretty sure her confessing her love yet again for Sasuke won't stop him now.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:52 AM

The last few chapters?

Yeah, the point where Kishimoto doesn't care anymore.

 

If we're going to compare facts we might as well get concise and properly whip out panels involving NaruSaku moments.

Which is fine and all, and I don't deny such moments happened. Kishimoto did when he had Sakura give a false confession to Naruto and still cling to Sasuke after he tried to kill her. Explain to me why I should take NS moments seriously when Kishi himself doesn't.

 

The fact that such moments exist and Kishi is willing to treat them like red herrings is what pisses me off. And with only two chapters left to wrap everything up, sad to say, it's a possibility.

Do you recall that despite Sakura's original intentions in the first few chapters that she wanted to get with Sasuke that Naruto still fell hard for her when she said all she wanted to be was "acknowledged'?  Odd how that still did not stop Naruto, I'm pretty sure her confessing her love yet again for Sasuke won't stop him now.

Only problem with that is that the movie takes place two years after the war, and everything indicates he did nothing about it. So either he got over her and there was no need for a confession, or he did confess and she rejected him. I can't think of any other possibility.



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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:58 AM

@Ether: u my friend just need to calm down and wait a few more days until we get our final answer at the end of the manga

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 11:01 AM

@Ether I guess according to you that means the manga can't stand on it's own and absolutely needs the movie to complete it properly.



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Posted 01 November 2014 - 11:09 AM

Yeah, the point where Kishimoto doesn't care anymore.

I do not understand by the "he does not care."  You have not read the end yet.  If the end confirms your suspicions, you are free to assume that.
 
So far with the myriad of other build of and parallels it appears Kishimoto cares quite a bit.
 
 

Which is fine and all, and I don't deny such moments happened. Kishimoto did when he had Sakura give a false confession to Naruto and still cling to Sasuke after he tried to kill her. Explain to me why I should take NS moments seriously when Kishi himself doesn't.

Or perhaps Kishimoto struggles with writing a realistic female character. They all are pretty stereotypical to me.

I can't give you a reason to take the NaruxSaku moments serious because it comes down to personal taste. Kishimoto is writing a Shonen, he is limited far more than you think. Also, japanese manga is vastly different than american comics. We tend to embrace romantic aspects even in works that are intended for young boys, look at all the Super Heroes and characters we have in our comics, they usually either end up with a girlfriend or some sort of love interest.

If we take a look back at Shonens most of the male protagonist prefer to fight and honestly show no romantic interest in girls of any kind. Again, Naruto is one of the few Shonen mangas where the main protagonist is depicted wanting to get with a girl.

The fact that such moments exist and Kishi is willing to treat them like red herrings is what pisses me off. And with only two chapters left to wrap everything up, sad to say, it's a possibility.


Red Herrings do not work that way.

A red herring is when you make it blatantly apparently that for example, a character is "not" evil or dark. You make him seem very nice and dapper, and the LEAST suspected guy in the bunch. So when the time comes and he reveals his intentions every one goes "OOOOOH, I never saw it coming!"

NarutoxSakura has been very ambiguous. If any thing the blatant NarutoxHinata and SasukexSakura, where the love was thrown right in our faces several times seem to be the red herrings in this case and scenario.

 
 

Only problem with that is that the movie takes place two years after the war, and everything indicates he did nothing about it. So either he got over her and there was no need for a confession, or he did confess and she rejected him. I can't think of any other possibility.

 
Nothing has indicated any thing yet. You saw at most an one minute preview and some screen caps. Once you see the movie then you can conclude this.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 11:21 AM

I do not understand by the "he does not care."  You have not read the end yet.  If the end confirms your suspicions, you are free to assume that.
 
So far with the myriad of other build of and parallels it appears Kishimoto cares quite a bit.

By your own definition, said parallels would be red herrings should NH become canon. Which is what I mean.

 

 

 

I can't give you a reason to take the NaruxSaku moments serious because it comes down to personal taste. Kishimoto is writing a Shonen, he is limited far more than you think.

That's completely false. The fact that it's Shonen doesn't mean it has to lack romance or has to be poorly written.

 

 

 

NarutoxSakura has been very ambiguous. If any thing the blatant NarutoxHinata and SasukexSakura, where the love was thrown right in our faces several times seem to be the red herrings in this case and scenario.

Oh yeah, 631 is very ambiguous indeed. I guess NH/SS were right after all, it was just a joke done for the heck of it. And what about the unfinished sentence by Yamato? Once again, NH/SS were right and he was really going to say "you have confidence issues".

 

 

 

Nothing has indicated any thing yet. You saw at most an one minute preview and some screen caps. Once you see the movie then you can conclude this.

We know the plot of the movie already.


Edited by Ether, 01 November 2014 - 11:22 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 11:21 AM

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 11:39 AM

@Ether: u my friend just need to calm down and wait a few more days until we get our final answer at the end of the manga

You can see this as me venting. I'm not happy at all with what I'm seeing when the manga is about to end, and I really doubt the last two chapters will change much.

 

If by some miracle NS happens, I know I'm not going to like how Kishi makes it canon.


Edited by Ether, 01 November 2014 - 11:40 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2014 - 11:42 AM

You can see this as me venting. I'm not happy at all with what I'm seeing when the manga is about to end, and I really doubt the last two chapters will change much.
 
If by some miracle NS happens, I know I'm not going to like how Kishi makes it canon.


You have valid points but just try to be positive a bit. I'm angered too and I know it's very hard to be positive in times like this but at least try.


 





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