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[Nar123]

I'll probably get to the rest of this after I get off work tomorrow, but let me just address this:

It seems that maybe you didn't pay attention to anything related to Obito's backstory, else you wouldn't have missed all the times Rin was actually nice to Obito and actually supported him. So no, Obito had a reason to love her, Sakura did not have a reason to love Sasuke. Obito, even in his darkest hour, wasn't nearly as shallow as Sakura was. He actually loved Rin on virtue of how she treated him. Try again later.

 

I actually addressed this

 

Now now I'm not trying to compare Obirin with SS, Obirin was supportive and kind while SS was anything but. It's just that it it has one thing  in common with SS...it  lacked the reason , it lacked something that explained why Obito felt that way for Rin, he was still only 13, he had a crush... okay but why should we as readers believe he had something more? What was shown to us? 

 

 

[AHK]

I actually addressed this
 

 

"It lacked something that explained why Obito felt hat way"

It seems that maybe you didn't pay attention to anything related to Obito's backstory, else you wouldn't have missed all the times Rin was actually nice to Obito and actually supported him. So no, Obito had a reason to love her, Sakura did not have a reason to love Sasuke. Obito, even in his darkest hour, wasn't nearly as shallow as Sakura was. He actually loved Rin on virtue of how she treated him. Try again later.

Honestly it's not that hard. Rin actually cared about him, unlike most other people in Obito's life. Sasuke never gave any kittens about Sakura.

Edited by AHK, 01 May 2015 - 04:40 AM.

[Nar123]

  
Are you?
Sasuke's role in the Akatsuki brought Obito a piece of the juubi (ie part of Gyuki) which was a key component in its resurrection. Sasuke is as guilty as Obito for the thousands of people killed by the juubi. Sasuke is a mass murder, just like Obito, he was just as guilty. Obito fought for the alliance too and did more in ten minutes than Sasuke did the entire time , yet you don't give him any free passes you seem content to look the other way while Sasuke was busy trying to murder the 5 Kage for a second time and enslave everyone else

 

Sasuke fought to stop the juubi though, you seem to be forgetting this.

Trying to diminish his role in the fight against juubi Obito and juubi Madara was pretty bad too

He was useless againts Kaguya I will give you that he was only useful to use the seal 

 

You also try to treat Sasuke as someone unredeemable, which frankly makes no sense. Even if Sasuke continued in Obito's side during the war he would be redeemable because plot said so, this means that Kishi would find a way of Sasuke not being directly involved in the death of a lot of people.

Yeah, this is BS but hey this whole manga is BS

[Nar123]

"It lacked something that explained why Obito felt hat way"


Honestly it's not that hard. Rin actually cared about him, unlike most other people in Obito's life. Sasuke never gave any kittens about Sakura.

 

There it is, how do you know this? Did we have any insight on how his life was on his clan, on how his relationship was with other peers? Minato looked pretty supportive of him tbh, and Kushina too even if she was tsundere with him if we take the story naruto Storm revolution added as canon

 

As I said his backstory lacked something in why Rin was so special to him

It could've worked if we got inside on the uchiha clan if it showed that he was treated like trash there and that he was ignored by pretty much everyone until Rin apperead...simple enough. Though you can't expect good writing from Kishi. 

 

Like Sakura lacks a concrete reason to love Sasuke so much as it was believed, Obito lacked a concrete reason to act like he did after Rin's death.

 

 

 

 

Okay everybody calm down. We all agree Obito's character was not executed well because of Kishi. He had potential to be good but it didn't come out as well. And we can all agree also that Sasuke's redemption was the worst because it was an asspull.

 

 

It's normal, we are just discussing

Edited by Nar123, 01 May 2015 - 04:48 AM.

[Gaara's hair]

FIRE

[luffyq1]

FIRE

[Nar123]

*sigh*

I don't like arguing about Obito, honestly it's a lot more simple to just disregard him as the coolest guy  and more funny too

 

 

Edited by Nar123, 01 May 2015 - 05:07 AM.

[BlackBird19]

Actually kishimoto's portrayal of Sasuke inadvertently turned him into your run of the mill revenge inspired, mission based serial killer. He just never got around to killing everyone he wanted to.

 

First it was Itachi.

Then it became Danzo.

Then all of Konoha.

Then it was Obito and Madara.

Then Zetsu and Kaguya.

And finally the Kages and the shinobi world.

 

When his need for revenge kept escalating to greater heights, how can we honestly believe that there was a legitimate way to redeem this guy. Cause that's all everything he did was about. His revenge. It was just worded differently so Kishi could try to make his favorite character seem more noble.

[Nar123]

Actually kishimoto's portrayal of Sasuke inadvertently turned him into your run of the mill revenge inspired, mission based serial killer. He just never got around to killing everyone he wanted to.

 

First it was Itachi.

Then it became Danzo.

Then all of Konoha.

Then it was Obito and Madara.

Then Zetsu and Kaguya.

And finally the Kages and the shinobi world.

 

When his need for revenge kept escalating to greater heights, how can we honestly believe that there was a legitimate way to redeem this guy. Cause that's all everything he did was about. His revenge. It was just worded differently so Kishi could try to make his favorite character seem more noble.

 

I don't really see his last development in the manga as something related to revenge though, but hey opinions will be opinions

[BlackBird19]

It was just the fact that Sasuke kept harping about never allowing what happened to the Uchihas to happen again. His goals were still centered around what happened to his family. Somewhat disregarding the Uchihas role in their own downfall. He just found a better place to lay the blame. It's still revenge based just with another layer added on top of it.

 

At least, that's the way it read to me.

[Shashank95]

 

I don't really see his last development in the manga as something related to revenge though, but hey opinions will be opinions

AHK supports Obito just like you support Sasuke 

[Aizen-Sama]

Actually kishimoto's portrayal of Sasuke inadvertently turned him into your run of the mill revenge inspired, mission based serial killer. He just never got around to killing everyone he wanted to.
 
First it was Itachi.
Then it became Danzo.
Then all of Konoha.
Then it was Obito and Madara.
Then Zetsu and Kaguya.
And finally the Kages and the shinobi world.
 
When his need for revenge kept escalating to greater heights, how can we honestly believe that there was a legitimate way to redeem this guy. Cause that's all everything he did was about. His revenge. It was just worded differently so Kishi could try to make his favorite character seem more noble.

Naruto was also on Sasuke's hit list. He tried to kill Karin, Sakura, and Kakashi too lol.

[Shashank95]

It was just the fact that Sasuke kept harping about never allowing what happened to the Uchihas to happen again. His goals were still centered around what happened to his family. Somewhat disregarding the Uchihas role in their own downfall. He just found a better place to lay the blame. It's still revenge based just with another layer added on top of it.

 

At least, that's the way it read to me.

I agree with you. It was never anything more than himself with Sasuke.

 

He doesn't face the fact that the Uchihas got greedy and that was the reason they were wiped out. He acts like the Uchihas were the victims of some grand plan of Fate. 

[Shashank95]

Naruto was also on Sasuke's hit list. He tried to kill Karin, Sakura, and Kakashi too lol.

I think the shinobi world covers those.

[rocci]

 
The difference being that Obito's relationship with Rin lacked the depth that Yahiko had with Nagato and Yashamaru had with Gaara

It get explain in the silent chapter after obito revelation.

[BlackBird19]

I count Naruto, Sakura and Karin as those just standing in his way. He didn't necessarily want revenge against them.

[rocci]

 
I don't really see his last development in the manga as something related to revenge though, but hey opinions will be opinions

He's avenger, that's his role.
For some reason kishi stick with it since he's not that creative to write something more than that.

Anyway obirin is not ss parallel.
Obirin is NS parallel.

[Nar123]

AHK supports Obito just like you support Sasuke 

 

Just because I don't outright hate him doesn't mean I support him m8

In the end Sasuke's character is just as sh*tty as the other ones

 

 

 

Anyway obirin is not ss parallel.
Obirin is NS parallel.

 

I never said it was

Edited by Nar123, 01 May 2015 - 06:27 AM.

[FireFox]

DEATH FOR OBITO & SASUKE NO REDEMPTION , ONLY THE DARKEST PITS OF HELL FOR THEM !!!  . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 01 May 2015 - 08:17 AM.

[Dario]

l agree with those who're saying Obito was a poor parallel to Naruto. Actually he highlighted one of the biggest issues l had with the manga: l never bought the Uchihas as victims of oppression.

 

One of the main things l liked about Naruto and later Gaara was the sheer injustice of their situation and that made me want to see them rise above it. l didn't care much for the "loser" part of Naruto's characterization, actually l found it to be detrimental. lt's fine to portray your characters as untalented and lacking in innate privilege, but l feel like showing them as incompetent failures cheapens their worth as heroes. A good example of this trope done right is Midoriya from BNHA: he has no natural advantages but is smart, hard working and his resolve makes up for his bad luck, so he's never shown in a humiliating light.

 

Coming back to Obito, the only significant part of his characterization outside of his crazy crush on Rin was his loser status, and l'm sorry but l don't care about that. The so called discrimination against Uchihas is never shown affecting him, like it's never shown affecting any other member of the clan. On the contrary, the narrative is full of scenes showing Uchihas being respected, admired and even beloved by other Konoha citizens, including of course our "hero" and "heroine". The Uchihas are always shown belonging, there's nothing like the character of Mizuki or that heartbreaking scene of Gaara trying to offer some medicine to a kid he accidentally hurt only to be rejected brutally.

 

Once again Kishimoto tells us something (the Uchihas were victims of prejudice and discriminated against) and shows us the complete opposite. Another failure in a very long list.