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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:35 PM

@Inferno180 You alwasy write so much...props man.

 

You guys ever wonder y ppl dont ship NS and ship something else? I mean like its been said before, It was just obvious to me and it was something I wanted for Naruto. Of course as the story grew as well as I, I became more invested cause I feel now its meant to happen.

 

I never had anything against the other characters in opposing sips Hinata/Sasuke...well I didnt like Sasuke in the beginning just cause he was the kid who got everything, but then I started to like him in pt2 because we found out what happened to him and his family.

 

Ah, but you just answered your own question. It's preference. For instance you said You wanted something for Naruto, so that s the mentality for some who ship NH. They want Hinata's Happiness. SS, well not sure who they want happy in that one but it has it's appealling to many, and there is manga evidence to back it up even if it is mostly one sided.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:46 PM

 

Ah, but you just answered your own question. It's preference. For instance you said You wanted something for Naruto, so that s the mentality for some who ship NH. They want Hinata's Happiness. SS, well not sure who they want happy in that one but it has it's appealling to many, and there is manga evidence to back it up even if it is mostly one sided.

"OTP all comes down to what you're subconsciously looking for in a relationship", found it on tumblr.

 

I guess if you like drama ships, ship SS. If you like the soulmate ships, ship MK and arguably NS.

 

Or maybe if you like Hinata's loyalty to Naruto, strive for NH and that Naruto would recognize her. Same goes with Naruto's loyalty to Sakura and Sakura's loyalty to Sasuke(though personally I don't think Sakura is very loyal to Sasuke because she has shown feelings for another man)

 

But I hope you get the point.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:49 PM

Yeah That's clear to me.  :smile: It's true.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:03 AM

The minato that naruto meet with in pain arc is different with edo minato that seal in shinigami stomach.
So I don't think minato know the event in pain arc. Just saying.

 

I think that there is evidence that Minato does retain the memories from the part of him sealed within Naruto, after all how did Minato know that Sasuke was Naruto's firend, if I recall Naruto didn't come up at all during the Hokage's talk with Sasuke, he wasn't even around when Kushina and Mikoto talked about Naruto and Sasuke being friends when they grow up.

 

It is possible that Minato actually sealed a Shadow Clone inside Naruto or what ever Minato did seal inside Naruto had the same memory sharing property as a Shadow Clone.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:05 AM

 

The chichi argument is just flawed in the sense well look who she tends to act like. Even then when others use DBZ or other series anime or not with pairings that happened, all I can say is That's nice but how does this actually flow back to Naruto? How does this influence the events of the manga directly and make a statement of impact? How does this help prove your pairing or disprove mine despite the fact that these are 2 separate universes which each do their own thing?

 

If anything I again I keep saying this, SS and NH fans should beware what happened in Avatar the last airbender. Zutara was the most popular, had a similar good girl bad boy set up, it was the original concepted pairing, but it never happened. It was even crushed enitrely due to the korra series, yet fans of that pairing still argue why it should have happened to this day, well lets see what happens when NS hits canon and how long others would argue it. I'm not saying NH and SS are granted to fail (well SS is nearing that, NH may end in friendship), but fans of these pairings should be aware from history, learn the reasons why these pairings failed despite the popularity and conception of it being orginally intended and why it was not, and just like SS right now how as the story is written, SS is impossible and NH would have a hard time. If people blindy follow their OTP then when something against their pairing happens and it "Russles their jimmies" well they should be aware of the weaknesses or obsiticles of their pairing and see if its both logical and reasonable for something to happen for their pairing to make a comeback, look at us, we knew Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Hinata's position were the issues for NS, not to mention for a time, Naruto's feelings. 469 was a grave moment for us, same with 615, yet there was a reasonable answer at the time, too many loose ends to just call NS dead or done. We needed more info before anything was said and done, we never saw Naruto's feelings towards Sakura or Hinata since then until 631 came around and we saw him saying Sakura was his GF practically reenforcing his feelings for her, until 631 came around, the only notion of who Naruto liked was in shippuden ep 235 and that was a filler but still the only notion at the time. So look at Zutara over the series and how Zuko and Katara progressed, did the story allow them to be better to each other, give them mutual moments, etc? Yes at the end, the final 10 episodes, 1/6th of the entire story was left for this, lets ignore the other 50 episodes where Aang and Katara got a lot of mutual moments. Yet Zutara fans became too overconfident, the finale came, Aangtara was the canon pairing, Zuko ended up with Mai. They argued with it being the most popular and it being originally thought, but after the 08 finale, one of the co-creators simply said, "We tried it, we experimented, we orginally could have built upon it by the way we originally saw season 2 ending, at the original storyborad Zuko would ended joining them but we felt this did a disservice to both Aang and Zuko, all Aang's effort would have gone for nothing and we felt the way we made Zuko a villain in the first half of season 3 would be enough to serve as a plot element for him to join up with Aang later on. Basically Zuko's efforts were better shown with internal strife rather than join up with them all at once, also better to make the fire nation closer to winning the war then actually repeating season 1s ending by having the earth kingdom become overrun in the end of season 2. And thats that, they chose to do the story like this because it felt better to them, that simple, concepts change, popular pairing fanbase size matters not, they knew how much people loved the pairing but did not care. It did not matter, because fans are generally NEVER ENTITLED.

 

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:24 AM

Sakura loyal to Sasuke? Do you know how many times has she jumped to Naruto's defense when there's an issue between Naruto and Sasuke?


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:27 AM

Sakura loyal to Sasuke? Do you know how many times has she jumped to Naruto's defense when there's an issue between Naruto and Sasuke?

Exactly. We know she loves him, but there's a limit and she knows it. Heck, she even broke a trust by telling Naruto everything about Sasuke and Orochimaru.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:50 AM

Sakura loyal to Sasuke? Do you know how many times has she jumped to Naruto's defense when there's an issue between Naruto and Sasuke?

I agree completely, but what some people find appealing is that Sakura maintains her feelings even after all he's done.

Personally I'm much more interested as to how these feelings affects her life than the feelings themselves, and at this point it only brings her down.

Edit, I looked up to the definition to loyalty. It has a lot to do with faith and staying art one's side, that's what she's been doing for Naruto, not Sasuke as the series progressed.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:58 AM

I agree completely, but what some people find appealing is that Sakura maintains her feelings even after all he's done.

Personally I'm much more interested as to how these feelings affects her life than the feelings themselves, and at this point it only brings her down.

Edit, I looked up to the definition to loyalty. It has a lot to do with faith and staying art one's side, that's what she's been doing for Naruto, not Sasuke as the series progressed.

right, just because she still has those feelings doesn't make them positive ones. I am really curious on how Kishi will handle this; what sort of conflict he will put on her to resolve these lingering feelings. 


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 06:09 AM

 

Ah, but you just answered your own question. It's preference. For instance you said You wanted something for Naruto, so that s the mentality for some who ship NH. They want Hinata's Happiness. SS, well not sure who they want happy in that one but it has it's appealling to many, and there is manga evidence to back it up even if it is mostly one sided.

 

"OTP all comes down to what you're subconsciously looking for in a relationship", found it on tumblr.

 

I guess if you like drama ships, ship SS. If you like the soulmate ships, ship MK and arguably NS.

 

Or maybe if you like Hinata's loyalty to Naruto, strive for NH and that Naruto would recognize her. Same goes with Naruto's loyalty to Sakura and Sakura's loyalty to Sasuke(though personally I don't think Sakura is very loyal to Sasuke because she has shown feelings for another man)

 

But I hope you get the point.

Yea I agree, I just wish I knew better what that preference is exactly and where it stems from. I say that because for me the fundimental reason is because I wanted to see Naruto the underdog achieve his dreams. I cheer for Naruto above all because he's the main character. I dunno where ppls love for Hinata came and Sasuke never showed emotion towards Sakura plus he's kind of a jerk.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:20 AM

 

The chichi argument is just flawed in the sense well look who she tends to act like. Even then when others use DBZ or other series anime or not with pairings that happened, all I can say is That's nice but how does this actually flow back to Naruto? How does this influence the events of the manga directly and make a statement of impact? How does this help prove your pairing or disprove mine despite the fact that these are 2 separate universes which each do their own thing?

 

If anything I again I keep saying this, SS and NH fans should beware what happened in Avatar the last airbender. Zutara was the most popular, had a similar good girl bad boy set up, it was the original concepted pairing, but it never happened. It was even crushed enitrely due to the korra series, yet fans of that pairing still argue why it should have happened to this day, well lets see what happens when NS hits canon and how long others would argue it. I'm not saying NH and SS are granted to fail (well SS is nearing that, NH may end in friendship), but fans of these pairings should be aware from history, learn the reasons why these pairings failed despite the popularity and conception of it being orginally intended and why it was not, and just like SS right now how as the story is written, SS is impossible and NH would have a hard time. If people blindy follow their OTP then when something against their pairing happens and it "Russles their jimmies" well they should be aware of the weaknesses or obsiticles of their pairing and see if its both logical and reasonable for something to happen for their pairing to make a comeback, look at us, we knew Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Hinata's position were the issues for NS, not to mention for a time, Naruto's feelings. 469 was a grave moment for us, same with 615, yet there was a reasonable answer at the time, too many loose ends to just call NS dead or done. We needed more info before anything was said and done, we never saw Naruto's feelings towards Sakura or Hinata since then until 631 came around and we saw him saying Sakura was his GF practically reenforcing his feelings for her, until 631 came around, the only notion of who Naruto liked was in shippuden ep 235 and that was a filler but still the only notion at the time. So look at Zutara over the series and how Zuko and Katara progressed, did the story allow them to be better to each other, give them mutual moments, etc? Yes at the end, the final 10 episodes, 1/6th of the entire story was left for this, lets ignore the other 50 episodes where Aang and Katara got a lot of mutual moments. Yet Zutara fans became too overconfident, the finale came, Aangtara was the canon pairing, Zuko ended up with Mai. They argued with it being the most popular and it being originally thought, but after the 08 finale, one of the co-creators simply said, "We tried it, we experimented, we orginally could have built upon it by the way we originally saw season 2 ending, at the original storyborad Zuko would ended joining them but we felt this did a disservice to both Aang and Zuko, all Aang's effort would have gone for nothing and we felt the way we made Zuko a villain in the first half of season 3 would be enough to serve as a plot element for him to join up with Aang later on. Basically Zuko's efforts were better shown with internal strife rather than join up with them all at once, also better to make the fire nation closer to winning the war then actually repeating season 1s ending by having the earth kingdom become overrun in the end of season 2. And thats that, they chose to do the story like this because it felt better to them, that simple, concepts change, popular pairing fanbase size matters not, they knew how much people loved the pairing but did not care. It did not matter, because fans are generally NEVER ENTITLED.

 

 

I agree with your point absolutely.

About 615 and 469 , didnt really felt like something to worry about , if you ask me . Back then even i could tell and i was watching the anime *469  -.-.

 

When Sakura ''faked'' her feelings it was obvious that she has them , but her conviction of convincing naruto to stop chasing after Sasuke was her main flaw...

The one thing i couldnt get back then was - what kind of feelings does she still hold for Sasuke..?

I mean it was so unbelievably obvious that she had fallen for him , but what did she held dear , what was that thing that kept her from killing Sasuke? Former teammate , shared past , shared happiness? Her love for Naruto maybe?

 

 

615-- not that much happend there actually , the chapter pushed the plot along and nothing sugnificant orccured when i saw it i thought .. YES! Hinata grew up a little , and then i got disappointed again, because everything again was thanks to Naruto . That was the whole buzzkill  . The badest thing in general about it was that Neji's death was turned to a nHina moment..

 

 

I think 540 was a chapter to really think about , there was a lot of ambiguedy if i recall correct, the love fodder asked if the man she loved was a great man and Sasuke was the first one to come to her mind ... Naruto was not even in the picture , which was really odd and unexpected, although i still think it will all become clear in the coming chapters..

 

Btw guys , what opinions do you have about the new chapter ? It is clear as a sunny day that Sasuke wants to kill Naruto, any thoughts what comes in the future battle?


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 10:28 AM

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Hey who here watches shingeki no kyojin? (Attack on titan)

The heroine mikasa reminds me of sakura, and some japanese I know think the same since I've seen many comments comparing the two heroines amazing roles and their beauty and they even draw sakura in mikasa's cloths, especially how they're considered the beauty queens of their age. They've had the same story but mikasa's was more tragic, here this is a picture made by me comparing mikasa and sakura. https://mobile.twitt...2516224/photo/1

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 11:39 AM

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I think Sakura and mikasa is different character and different setting.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 11:55 AM

Well with the recent chapter, looks like the enemy of my enemy aspect we first said in 627 is real, Sasuke only will cooperate until the current fight is finished. As for the tailed beasts, he himself wants to kill naruto. Some people are already taking that scene with the picture as sasusaku moment, but it's not a moment, more like an anti narusasu moment if anything. So with naruto seeing how Sasuke wants to erase him and sakura not trusting Sasuke, something tells me this will lead right into sakura coming to terms with herself with her not trusting Sasuke and with him threatening naruto, how will she act when the time comes?

On another note, we know that Sasuke wants to kill naruto now but the exact reasons have not been revealed. Aside from erasing him in his past, could it be that he only saw naruto as an annoyance who caused him trouble throughout the series or just the relation of the uchiha and nine tails? Sasuke could just be making good on his promise of taking naruto down as what he said back in the land of iron too. Just wondering the various causes for this.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:11 PM

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I think Sakura and mikasa is different character and different setting.

Yeah they're obviously different characters with different settings, im just saying they've got similarities plot-wise, like how the time sakura "blossomed" in the FOD and naruto, sasuke and lee were down and she had to push herself beyond her limits becuase it was up to her to protect her friends and herself and the way mikasa was brought to reality when she was kidnapped and eren was being choked by the bad guy and she had to push herself to do it and protect eren and herself and how mikasa was given a red scarf by eren, her friend and she keeps it on till this day, and the way sakura was given a red ribbon by ino to show her forehead but sakura didnt keep the red ribbon but she did keep ino's advice. Also the way they're both badass heroines (although that doesnt really count) and the way both sakura and mikasa had a badass entrance. Mikasa when the big titan was charging towards the citizens and she came dashing and slashed the titan and saved the citizens and stood and saluted the mom and her daughter with a smile as they thanked her. Sakura when it was the pain arc and thr giant summoning was attacking the citizens and sakura came dashing and took down the summon with one punch and saved the little girl and her grandma and smiled as she healed the little girl as the little girl thanked her (they also went from long hair to short hair). Not to mention they're leader skills and how smart and analyzed they are. (I like the way both eren and naruto changed sakura and mikasa to become stronger)

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:27 PM

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Does someone know if that is from the latest databook ?


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:56 PM

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Does someone know if that is from the latest databook ?


Yes it is.

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#3978 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

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Does someone know if that is from the latest databook ?

I believe so.

 

The odd part is that this appear twice.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:00 PM

I believe so.
 
The odd part is that this appear twice.


Whens the second time?

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:02 PM

Well I dont know if databooks can be consider as canon, but this is good news.

 

@Canadian_Dj : i think its from a filler , Sakura said by herself that she used to have a crush on Sasuke


Edited by Kakashi-Sensei, 17 July 2013 - 05:02 PM.

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