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[VanitasDS76491]

Better than kishi.

Agreed I think fairy tail has the better plot, pacing, twists, two of the best villain namely zeref and acnologia both are better than any villain post nagato aside from menma.

[Phantom_999]

YES, I've always considered Fairy Tail, even in it's worst cases of 'Shonen syndrome" to be an absolute masterpiece. Especially over the trash that used to be Naruto. At least it never betrayed it's themes, and some of the villains' redemptions, even the most a-pull like ones were a hell of a lot more believable than Naruto's.

 

Hell, Mashima is an infinitely better writer too. Fairy Tail's overall plot and an even better example, Rave Master, are the testaments to that 

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 March 2017 - 06:29 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

YES, I've always considered Fairy Tail, even in it's worst cases of 'Shonen syndrome" to be an absolute masterpiece. Especially over the trash that used to be Naruto. At least it never betrayed it's themes, and some of the villains' redemptions, even the most a-pull like ones were a hell of a lot more believable than Naruto's.
 
Hell, Mashima is an infinitely better writer too. Fairy Tail's overall plot and an even better example, Rave Master, are the testaments to that

Jellal, ultear and medey have redemptions.

[LuckyChi7]

I got ask.. when did the fan service in Fairy Tail start becoming overbearing and a distraction?


For me I'd say since Grand Magic Games Arc!

[TouKen4Life3g]

I got ask.. when did the fan service in Fairy Tail start becoming overbearing and a distraction?


For me I'd say since Grand Magic Games Arc!

Yeah, it might be that time. I still remember the epic battle turn into a photo shoot. Anime was drooling and went beyond.

[VanitasDS76491]

I got ask.. when did the fan service in Fairy Tail start becoming overbearing and a distraction?
For me I'd say since Grand Magic Games Arc!

Ya Mira vs Jenny started that.

[harry4e]

Yeah. I thought they were reincarnations.

 

I had thought they were put to sleep or time travel was involved (with Hiro's us of time travel in the past.) I even considered them potentially having the dragons sealed within them....though I'm pretty sure my main theory was them being put to sleep, Natsu did say he woke up and found Igneel gone.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I was joking. Granted, that was once a possibility a while back, but I was just referring to the obvious.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 15 March 2017 - 09:37 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

Chapter's out early: https://yonkouprod.c...en/0/527/page/1

 

 

 

My live reaction: 

 

[harry4e]

Kind of a sad chapter, all this time all he wanted was to see his mother...it's sad his father was close to him for so long and never knew who he was, and he was beside his mother at the end but she never knew.

 

Sad though like with Eileen was there a point to it? Did it add to the main story? Will it even be acknowledged later on? Or was it another enemy added to show the close links between FT and Zerefs generals? So far we've seen Brandish and Lucy who should have grown up as best friends, Erza and Eileen mother and daughter, and August very likely the grandfather figure and the alternative choice for guild leader instead of Markarov, (I would expect Augusts Fairy Law to be allot more potent and less draining because of his light magic levels.)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Kind of a sad chapter, all this time all he wanted was to see his mother...it's sad his father was close to him for so long and never knew who he was, and he was beside his mother at the end but she never knew.

 

Sad though like with Eileen was there a point to it? Did it add to the main story? Will it even be acknowledged later on? Or was it another enemy added to show the close links between FT and Zerefs generals? So far we've seen Brandish and Lucy who should have grown up as best friends, Erza and Eileen mother and daughter, and August very likely the grandfather figure and the alternative choice for guild leader instead of Markarov, (I would expect Augusts Fairy Law to be allot more potent and less draining because of his light magic levels.)

I hope so. Not to mix up with Magi, but is there afterlife in this series? I can see it to be the only way for Zeref's family to be united. I'll say this much from my review, I was more drawn in with him than Irene because he remain the same as before while Irene, you become a bit confused of what she wants. It's not Obito mess level but it did happen sudden. August at least already suggested on why he felt the way he did.

 

I'm puzzled on how some couldn't see why he died. My suggestion section has mixed thoughts like "WTF" or "How he died!?" and then the positive one like good praise. On the other hand, one of them happened to be stating that the newest manga from WSJ is being thrashed by people when it's the opposite if not just one area that does while outside doesn't. Maybe he's a follower, I don't know, because it's good to hate on Fairy Tail since people do right?

 

That or people don't read context similar as others. It's what I think every time people try to review BnHA. I even go as far as saying they are a bit afraid to review series that is more than meets the eyes.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 17 March 2017 - 01:49 PM.

[harry4e]

I think FT gets as much hate as it does because you can see the manga is capable of being much better than it is, but i'm not sure if it's a limitation of the mangaka, pressure from the editor/publisher or something else, we never see FT pushing the boundaries of the typical Shounen battle manga but keeps on coming close to it. Then there is how quickly things get resolved and they move onto the next thing. Take both Eileen and August, both had plenty of build up but soon and the revelations were made, it ended pretty much soon after, with the end not living up to the build up.

 

Honestly I can't say those who hate criticise the manga don't have reason to do so, and there is nothing wrong with being critical, though some people tend to see that citism and see it as hate and find reasons to troll the community, we live in a clickbait society, and when you get one loud enough voice heard the sheep follow and follow what they believe is the popular opinion, (A certain manga fell for that specific troll, and is trying to deny it ever since.)

 

edit: as for how anyone was confused for Augusts death, I can't help them, it was pretty obvious, that it was a suicide move and he absorbed the backlash to save his mother....I expect the move he was doing was similar to Fairy Law.

Edited by harry4e, 17 March 2017 - 04:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm not saying you can't hate the series, but it feels more on a gimmick level. Like I were to say I hate Naruto, I will get 50/50. If I say I hate Bleach, I probably get bashed to death. If I say I hate Fairy Tail, I get thumbs up and a party. Some videos I can see legit reason to bash, some videos feel "polarizing" like it doesn't feel genuine. I don't know, that just me.

[Codus N]

I hope so. Not to mix up with Magi, but is there afterlife in this series? I can see it to be the only way for Zeref's family to be united. I'll say this much from my review, I was more drawn in with him than Irene because he remain the same as before while Irene, you become a bit confused of what she wants. It's not Obito mess level but it did happen sudden. August at least already suggested on why he felt the way he did.
 
I'm puzzled on how some couldn't see why he died. My suggestion section has mixed thoughts like "WTF" or "How he died!?" and then the positive one like good praise. On the other hand, one of them happened to be stating that the newest manga from WSJ is being thrashed by people when it's the opposite if not just one area that does while outside doesn't. Maybe he's a follower, I don't know, because it's good to hate on Fairy Tail since people do right?
 
That or people don't read context similar as others. It's what I think every time people try to review BnHA. I even go as far as saying they are a bit afraid to review series that is more than meets the eyes.

I think so. Remember Future!Lucy? I definitely think once everything's over, we'll see the three of them reunited. That's what I think the series is heading towards.

[LuckyChi7]

So far the recent Fairy Tails have been pretty spot on with a couple nitpicks, but what do guys expect for the series ending?


We do know it's gonna be a Happy ending, but how will it be executed?

[VanitasDS76491]

So far the recent Fairy Tails have been pretty spot on with a couple nitpicks, but what do guys expect for the series ending?
We do know it's gonna be a Happy ending, but how will it be executed?

Nothing will top Naruto's awful ending.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think so. Remember Future!Lucy? I definitely think once everything's over, we'll see the three of them reunited. That's what I think the series is heading towards.

Isn't that debatable? One sees it the future has been fixed and the other is afterlife. I think there's afterlife.

[LuckyChi7]

So Volume 60 doesn't hit the states until some time in May, but somebody managed to translate what Hiro has mentioned in said afterward: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Translation: 

 

 

In this volume, the significant mystery about Dragon Slayers was revealed, did you enjoy it? Right after the reveal, some people were saying: "That's great setup!", the others "He came up with this plot recently, it's not fair" and others just "Hmph!". As for "coming up with plot recently" - if you by that mean, that some development wasn't decided even before 1st chapter, then almost every plot may be clasified as "recent made-up". One editor was saying "The story is a living thing". Different factors are included in it and it grows. There's no way, that full story can be decided from the very beginning, so with the story flows I will complement it little by little.

 

Irene being mother of Dragonslayers was decided before she appeared in manga. On the other hand, her connection with Erza wasn't set at all. That's why she and Acnologia couldn't talk about Dragon Slaying Magic during their confrontation, it because "her connection with Erza wasn't set yet". I should've been more careful with this one.

 

Speaking about "recent made-up", I remember I wrote it before, but almost everything related to Erza is recent made-up. When I introduced her into the story, her magic, relationships with Jellal and Natsu weren't decided yet. It was like starting the bus before all passengers are on board, but as if she was a proof of "The story is living thing", she showed her growth and became one of the most popular FT characters.

 

I'll definitely add some "recent made-ups" in the future chapters. Well, not showing it too much is also professionals' job.

 

 

 

 

 

My thoughts:  I'll give Hiro for being incredibly honest about it, but then again that is something you can trace back to when he was writing Rave Master. Sure it doesn't excuse for some of the bs that has occurred within the story though at least this does solidify some of our suspicions when it came to how Hiro's handled Erza throughout the series. Especially since he also revealed that the Erza and Irene connection wasn't fully planned either when it came to this final arc. 

 

 

 

So what are your guys thoughts on this? 

 

 

 

I don't think that discredits his credibility as a writer because he already has Rave Master to back up just how talented he is.. If anything this just proves how honest he is when it comes to the process of what happens in the story, which like I said before He's always been that way since writing Rave Master.

 

I'm kinda curious as to what his thoughts are when it comes to August, Zeref, Natsu, Mavis, and Larcade when Volume 61 comes out since the ending of chapter 527 ends this volume.  

Edited by LuckyChi7, 18 March 2017 - 01:37 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So Volume 60 doesn't hit the states until some time in May, but somebody managed to translate what Hiro has mentioned in said afterward: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Translation: 

 

 

In this volume, the significant mystery about Dragon Slayers was revealed, did you enjoy it? Right after the reveal, some people were saying: "That's great setup!", the others "He came up with this plot recently, it's not fair" and others just "Hmph!". As for "coming up with plot recently" - if you by that mean, that some development wasn't decided even before 1st chapter, then almost every plot may be clasified as "recent made-up". One editor was saying "The story is a living thing". Different factors are included in it and it grows. There's no way, that full story can be decided from the very beginning, so with the story flows I will complement it little by little.

 

Irene being mother of Dragonslayers was decided before she appeared in manga. On the other hand, her connection with Erza wasn't set at all. That's why she and Acnologia couldn't talk about Dragon Slaying Magic during their confrontation, it because "her connection with Erza wasn't set yet". I should've been more careful with this one.

 

Speaking about "recent made-up", I remember I wrote it before, but almost everything related to Erza is recent made-up. When I introduced her into the story, her magic, relationships with Jellal and Natsu weren't decided yet. It was like starting the bus before all passengers are on board, but as if she was a proof of "The story is living thing", she showed her growth and became one of the most popular FT characters.

 

I'll definitely add some "recent made-ups" in the future chapters. Well, not showing it too much is also professionals' job.

 

 

 

 

 

My thoughts:  I'll give Hiro for being incredibly honest about it, but then again that is something you can trace back to when he was writing Rave Master. Sure it doesn't excuse for some of the bs that has occurred within the story though at least this does solidify some of our suspicions when it came to how Hiro's handled Erza throughout the series. Especially since he also revealed that the Erza and Irene connection wasn't fully planned either when it came to this final arc. 

 

 

 

So what are your guys thoughts on this? 

 

 

 

I don't think that discredits his credibility as a writer because he already has Rave Master to back up just how talented he is.. If anything this just proves how honest he is when it comes to the process of what happens in the story, which like I said before He's always been that way since writing Rave Master.

 

I'm kinda curious as to what his thoughts are when it comes to August, Zeref, Natsu, Mavis, and Larcade when Volume 61 comes out since the ending of chapter 527 ends this volume.  

He earned my respect...more than before.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 18 March 2017 - 01:54 AM.

[Codus N]

So Volume 60 doesn't hit the states until some time in May, but somebody managed to translate what Hiro has mentioned in said afterward: 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
Translation: 
 
 
In this volume, the significant mystery about Dragon Slayers was revealed, did you enjoy it? Right after the reveal, some people were saying: "That's great setup!", the others "He came up with this plot recently, it's not fair" and others just "Hmph!". As for "coming up with plot recently" - if you by that mean, that some development wasn't decided even before 1st chapter, then almost every plot may be clasified as "recent made-up". One editor was saying "The story is a living thing". Different factors are included in it and it grows. There's no way, that full story can be decided from the very beginning, so with the story flows I will complement it little by little.
 
Irene being mother of Dragonslayers was decided before she appeared in manga. On the other hand, her connection with Erza wasn't set at all. That's why she and Acnologia couldn't talk about Dragon Slaying Magic during their confrontation, it because "her connection with Erza wasn't set yet". I should've been more careful with this one.
 
Speaking about "recent made-up", I remember I wrote it before, but almost everything related to Erza is recent made-up. When I introduced her into the story, her magic, relationships with Jellal and Natsu weren't decided yet. It was like starting the bus before all passengers are on board, but as if she was a proof of "The story is living thing", she showed her growth and became one of the most popular FT characters.
 
I'll definitely add some "recent made-ups" in the future chapters. Well, not showing it too much is also professionals' job.
 
 
 
 
 
My thoughts:  I'll give Hiro for being incredibly honest about it, but then again that is something you can trace back to when he was writing Rave Master. Sure it doesn't excuse for some of the bs that has occurred within the story though at least this does solidify some of our suspicions when it came to how Hiro's handled Erza throughout the series. Especially since he also revealed that the Erza and Irene connection wasn't fully planned either when it came to this final arc. 
 
 
 
So what are your guys thoughts on this? 
 
 
 
I don't think that discredits his credibility as a writer because he already has Rave Master to back up just how talented he is.. If anything this just proves how honest he is when it comes to the process of what happens in the story, which like I said before He's always been that way since writing Rave Master.
 
I'm kinda curious as to what his thoughts are when it comes to August, Zeref, Natsu, Mavis, and Larcade when Volume 61 comes out since the ending of chapter 527 ends this volume.

Honestly, I think this is due to Erza's popularity back there in Japan. Though she's not so popular she usurps Lucy and Natsu. Or, perhaps, more explicitly, it could be due to his editor. I get the feeling he may be a hardcore Erza fan. As far as Mashima's passion for certain characters goes, I'd say it's the strongest with Natsu and Lucy. That's why you never see any copout in their storylines.