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#3941 megi

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:19 PM

 

I'm not sure if I quite get it. Are you saying that the trio in the Tales of Jiraiya the Gallant resemble Team 7 more than they do the actual Sanin that bear their names in the Naruto story?

 

Does that mean that in the old tale Tsunade was originally in love with Orochimaru? But I hear that eventually she came to marry Jiraiya, didn't she?

 

Apart from that, can you elaborate in that representation of spiritual Japan through Rikudo? I'm curious. Also, is there any japanese myth related to the Heaven and Earth theme that we've associated with Naruto and Sakura?

 

Well, the sannin are derived from the characters of ToJG like names and techniques. Team 7 is parallel to the sannin and are becoming 'neo'-sannin. And well...I may see more similarities to ToJG with team 7 merely because they have more screen time, but no doubt team 7 resembles them. No no no! I did not mean that the Sakura-Sasuke is seen it. Not at all! Tsunade does marry Jiraiya and helps him defeat Orochimaru. 

 

I sure can! It's actually not too elaborate. 六道 is a Buddhist concept "six paths" relating to rebirth, where you are reborn on these paths until you become enlightened like Buddha. The Uchiha represent the Japanese religion of Shintoism, seen in their jutsus. Shintoism is known to be used in joyous aspects of life, such as birth, love, marriage, and so forth. The Senju represent the Buddhist religion in Japan, which is used for sadder aspects of life as well as for discipline, such as funerals. Together, these religions live in harmony, they work together. In Japan, both religions exist at once and work peacefully together. It isn't so peaceful in the Naruto universe because the Uchiha and Senju ultimately could not work together.

 

Heaven and Earth? Probably related to the creation mythology with Izanagi and Izanami. There is a "bridge between heaven and earth" in that myth. It represents the duality between body (earth) and mind (heaven). When the body is grounded, the mind can wander. Without the mind, the body cannot move. I'm not sure how it relates to Naruto and Sakura ^^.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:22 PM

I find it funnier when people say that parallels mean nothing, but are convinced Minato and Hinata are a parallel. You either believe they mean something, or you don't. You can't have it mean nothing if it pairs NS, but mean something if it pairs NH or SS. That is just lunacy.

That's another thing. When it was unconfirmed that Sakura and Kushina were alike, people were raving on and on about how Hinata was similar in appearance to Kushina. Then comes Minato and his comment, and they're chucking the moment right out the window as if it means nothing. Sakura=Kushina means "girl like your mother". 

 

I will never understand how NS isn't the most believable couple to some people. The need to constantly bring down their scenes baffles me and it'll only hurt the outsiders in the end when NS does in fact happen...



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

That's another thing. When it was unconfirmed that Sakura and Kushina were alike, people were raving on and on about how Hinata was similar in appearance to Kushina. Then comes Minato and his comment, and they're chucking the moment right out the window as if it means nothing. Sakura=Kushina means "girl like your mother". 
 
I will never understand how NS isn't the most believable couple to some people. The need to constantly bring down their scenes baffles me and it'll only hurt the outsiders in the end when NS does in fact happen...


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:40 PM

A mystery it shall remain....U.U....that or its just plain denial.

Denial sums it up for me. To dismiss anything from NS like that baffles me to no end. 

 

Development.

 

Clearly, this is what NS has. Hell it has THE MOST development when it comes to any relationship. Girl hates guy. Girl falls for guy. Girl loves guy. This was a gradual change, and it's been hinted at several times throughout the manga. It was shown that Sakura could very well possibly fall for this guy and we're nearing the reveal. There's no such thing as an asspull when it comes to their relationship. That word doesn't exist. This isn't bias talking at all for me. If I read through the manga as a regular reader, I'm sure I'd see NS as the most logically developed couple in the story. 

 

Parallels.

 

Unlike other couples, we actually HAVE the luxury of using parallels given Kishi loves forcing it down our throats. It's not something that should be swept under the rug either. When you note everything, it all makes sense.

 

The biggest parallel being MK/NS. From the rescue, their personal relationship, and mannerisms, it's pretty apparent that NS is the couple that MK was modeled after. And what's more is her comment to Naruto. "Find a girl like your mother". Nuff said. He's already found a girl like her. I remember once upon a time seeing posts where antis were making comparisons between the way Hinata stood in front of Naruto in the Pein arc and compared it to Kushina... Now they're completely chucking parallels out the window, and I feel that it's because they don't have the luxury of using the parallels like we do because we're constantly thrown parallels. 

 

Mutual interest

 

Naruto has been shown to have feelings for Sakura since the very beginning. This is very apparent in his actions, and such. Sakura, while she didn't like Naruto early on, has turned around when it comes to Naruto and now views him as one of the most important people in her life if not most important at this point. We've been given hints of mutual interest all over the manga. This is undeniable. It's not a brotherly/sisterly love. :P

 

Antis are always gonna baffle from here on out. Let em claim that NS is nothing more than a comical mess. Doesn't make it true. Let em claim that Naruto has feelings for Hinata and his feelings have diminished given there's hardly been any NS interaction before now. Doesn't make it true. Kishi was clearly milking the couple choices, and now, he's likely gonna devote his time to the NSS triangle. Sure, he may toss NH moments, but it'll never be a mutually romantic moment. 


Edited by StriderC, 16 July 2013 - 03:42 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

Denial sums it up for me. To dismiss anything from NS like that baffles me to no end. 
 
Development.
 
Clearly, this is what NS has. Hell it has THE MOST development when it comes to any relationship. Girl hates guy. Girl falls for guy. Girl loves guy. This was a gradual change, and it's been hinted at several times throughout the manga. It was shown that Sakura could very well possibly fall for this guy and we're nearing the reveal. There's no such thing as an asspull when it comes to their relationship. That word doesn't exist. This isn't bias talking at all for me. If I read through the manga as a regular reader, I'm sure I'd see NS as the most logically developed couple in the story. 
 
Parallels.
 
Unlike other couples, we actually HAVE the luxury of using parallels given Kishi loves forcing it down our throats. It's not something that should be swept under the rug either. When you note everything, it all makes sense.
 
The biggest parallel being MK/NS. From the rescue, their personal relationship, and mannerisms, it's pretty apparent that NS is the couple that MK was modeled after. And what's more is her comment to Naruto. "Find a girl like your mother". Nuff said. He's already found a girl like her. I remember once upon a time seeing posts where antis were making comparisons between the way Hinata stood in front of Naruto in the Pein arc and compared it to Kushina... Now they're completely chucking parallels out the window, and I feel that it's because they don't have the luxury of using the parallels like we do because we're constantly thrown parallels. 
 
Mutual interest
 
Naruto has been shown to have feelings for Sakura since the very beginning. This is very apparent in his actions, and such. Sakura, while she didn't like Naruto early on, has turned around when it comes to Naruto and now views him as one of the most important people in her life if not most important at this point. We've been given hints of mutual interest all over the manga. This is undeniable. It's not a brotherly/sisterly love. :P
 
Antis are always gonna baffle from here on out. Let em claim that NS is nothing more than a comical mess. Doesn't make it true. Let em claim that Naruto has feelings for Hinata and his feelings have diminished given there's hardly been any NS interaction before now. Doesn't make it true. Kishi was clearly milking the couple choices, and now, he's likely gonna devote his time to the NSS triangle. Sure, he may toss NH moments, but it'll never be a mutually romantic moment.

You hit the bulls-eye with this post!

I mean, the reason im shipping narusaku is cuz when I first started watching it, before I knew anything about pairings, it was just so damn OBVIOUS that they're the couple, kishi is just focusing on the T7 love triangle, not hinatas admiration for naruto or lee's love for sakura, its only about T7 and kishi finished of with hinata in chap 633 and 615 and made sakura respect lee and grow a bond with him. Now he gave narusaku minatos stamp of approval and on the road to making NS canon. Honestly, the hinata fans are really unbelievable, how can you deny something that obvious? Im surprised they've got the confidence they have now...or denial. Just sad. He's literally been developing them throughout the whole manga. They compliment eachother, have fun around eachother and have so much in common and gone through so much together. Look at them, they're just perfect! How could you not support sakuras love for naruto and narutos love for her! http://www.mangapand...hapter-246.html

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:08 PM

That's another thing. When it was unconfirmed that Sakura and Kushina were alike, people were raving on and on about how Hinata was similar in appearance to Kushina. Then comes Minato and his comment, and they're chucking the moment right out the window as if it means nothing. Sakura=Kushina means "girl like your mother". 

 

I will never understand how NS isn't the most believable couple to some people. The need to constantly bring down their scenes baffles me and it'll only hurt the outsiders in the end when NS does in fact happen...

 

Thats just it, the pairing stuff was kept stable around pre- invasion of pain but once Hinata jumped in front of Naruto and once Sakura hugged Naruto in 450, the pairing wars would start escalating. Then we got the 457 bolster then the other crowds shoved 469 in our faces, then SS got hammered in the attempted killings during the reunion. Once Kushina appeared it became the pinnicale of this pairing war hinting that kishi did make good on what he said, at least one pairing in the end and half of that was Naruto, the other half would be a girl like Kushina. So for 2-3 years the fandoms debated over Kushina and what it meant. NS and NH said it mattered, the only thing both fandoms could agree on was that Kushinas words were important considering it was a foreshadow and everything else she said for Naruto to do had occured or was in the process of occurring. Well the only clues as to who was like Kushina was directly involved in her own past, her own past was very similar to Sakura and how she early on acted with Minato, Sakura did the same with Naruto. It was very simple. This was our reasoning aside from the similar scenes such as being rescued. Well 631 came out, the truth came to be from Minato seeing Sakura like Kushina, no matter how it was argued Sakura was the first girl, rather the first person to be compared to someone from Naruto's family, rather she is currently the only girl compared to Kushina. If Sakura is similar to Kushina then this means that perhaps Minato's statement was telling the reader, hint hint, Sakura may be with Naruto in the end, its simple. This revelation however, caused people to act like it was an impossibility, to some they treated this logic as harder to believe that Obito was tobi the whole time.

 

Now what has happened after 631? Great upheaval, rage, and confusion to those who thought Kishi was out of his mind for writing this comparing the "Oh so terrible Sakura who always abuses Naruto" to Kushina rather then "the perfect flawless Hinata who deserves him" This choice left so many divides and view points, some resorted to calling Kushina's words wrong, saying its a simple joke nothing important, another in the part of the red herring scheme of things, proves that NS would not work as it would be kushina kushina, say Minato was wrong, etc. Well even if it was just luck for Minato to see Naruto and Sakura there and ask Sakura if she was Narutos GF, Kishi could have written it in so many other ways but he himself chose to do things like this.

 

Now its that unless Minato had a time or even reason to see Hinata out individually, what would he honestly see in Hinata that reminds him of himself since the kushina one is taken? For Minato to obviously not know his own son being dead for 16 years, same for Hinata, he at least has a concept of his own son from the pain event, even then in that situation couldn't he have known Naruto's feelings for others if he could even know about Jiraya dying? Others just went down the parallels do  not matter path while others still go on about Hinata being like Minato or Kushina despite nothing having been shown. There are at least notifications of Naruto being like Minato and Kushina, but the Minato one resurfaces more due to other characters so this gives reason to say the Minato one is dominant. Sakura is the only other one aside from Naruto to be compared to Kushina, at that the only girl compared to Kushina. So any other girls canonically being compared to Kushina aside from Sakura? No? Then we wait to see if this changes or not, even then, Minato compared Sakura to his own wife who he knew for many years before they were married, who he himself supported and knew her inside and out, who even died right behind her after having being exhuasted of chakra, being worn down by Obito, using the reaper seal on himself to ensure death, and getting that final blow from Kurama himself, a giant claw speared right through his back and stomach behind his wife who suffered the same fatal injury. If Minato did not understand Kushina, then I would be willing to give more credit to the claim so many have, but Minato knows his own wife, they were together for years before Naruto was born, if this is the case, Minato knows his wife and its safe to say, he sees Kushina in Sakura and even if its just an internal reminder, its that simple. He sees Kushina in Sakura, so what if Minato sees himself in Naruto as carrying on what he himself stood for?

 

Its simple, Sakura=Kushina but rather than this being a simple 1+1=2 event, people try to make it out to 2/0 in which you cannot divide by zero but people keep trying to find out why despite how simple the reason it cannot happen is.



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:17 PM

Thats just it, the pairing stuff was kept stable around pre- invasion of pain but once Hinata jumped in front of Naruto and once Sakura hugged Naruto in 450, the pairing wars would start escalating. Then we got the 457 bolster then the other crowds shoved 469 in our faces, then SS got hammered in the attempted killings during the reunion. Once Kushina appeared it became the pinnicale of this pairing war hinting that kishi did make good on what he said, at least one pairing in the end and half of that was Naruto, the other half would be a girl like Kushina. So for 2-3 years the fandoms debated over Kushina and what it meant. NS and NH said it mattered, the only thing both fandoms could agree on was that Kushinas words were important considering it was a foreshadow and everything else she said for Naruto to do had occured or was in the process of occurring. Well the only clues as to who was like Kushina was directly involved in her own past, her own past was very similar to Sakura and how she early on acted with Minato, Sakura did the same with Naruto. It was very simple. This was our reasoning aside from the similar scenes such as being rescued. Well 631 came out, the truth came to be from Minato seeing Sakura like Kushina, no matter how it was argued Sakura was the first girl, rather the first person to be compared to someone from Naruto's family, rather she is currently the only girl compared to Kushina. If Sakura is similar to Kushina then this means that perhaps Minato's statement was telling the reader, hint hint, Sakura may be with Naruto in the end, its simple. This revelation however, caused people to act like it was an impossibility, to some they treated this logic as harder to believe that Obito was tobi the whole time.
 
Now what has happened after 631? Great upheaval, rage, and confusion to those who thought Kishi was out of his mind for writing this comparing the "Oh so terrible Sakura who always abuses Naruto" to Kushina rather then "the perfect flawless Hinata who deserves him" This choice left so many divides and view points, some resorted to calling Kushina's words wrong, saying its a simple joke nothing important, another in the part of the red herring scheme of things, proves that NS would not work as it would be kushina kushina, say Minato was wrong, etc. Well even if it was just luck for Minato to see Naruto and Sakura there and ask Sakura if she was Narutos GF, Kishi could have written it in so many other ways but he himself chose to do things like this.
 
Now its that unless Minato had a time or even reason to see Hinata out individually, what would he honestly see in Hinata that reminds him of himself since the kushina one is taken? For Minato to obviously not know his own son being dead for 16 years, same for Hinata, he at least has a concept of his own son from the pain event, even then in that situation couldn't he have known Naruto's feelings for others if he could even know about Jiraya dying? Others just went down the parallels do  not matter path while others still go on about Hinata being like Minato or Kushina despite nothing having been shown. There are at least notifications of Naruto being like Minato and Kushina, but the Minato one resurfaces more due to other characters so this gives reason to say the Minato one is dominant. Sakura is the only other one aside from Naruto to be compared to Kushina, at that the only girl compared to Kushina. So any other girls canonically being compared to Kushina aside from Sakura? No? Then we wait to see if this changes or not, even then, Minato compared Sakura to his own wife who he knew for many years before they were married, who he himself supported and knew her inside and out, who even died right behind her after having being exhuasted of chakra, being worn down by Obito, using the reaper seal on himself to ensure death, and getting that final blow from Kurama himself, a giant claw speared right through his back and stomach behind his wife who suffered the same fatal injury. If Minato did not understand Kushina, then I would be willing to give more credit to the claim so many have, but Minato knows his own wife, they were together for years before Naruto was born, if this is the case, Minato knows his wife and its safe to say, he sees Kushina in Sakura and even if its just an internal reminder, its that simple. He sees Kushina in Sakura, so what if Minato sees himself in Naruto as carrying on what he himself stood for?
 
Its simple, Sakura=Kushina but rather than this being a simple 1+1=2 event, people try to make it out to 2/0 in which you cannot divide by zero but people keep trying to find out why despite how simple the reason it cannot happen is.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:18 PM

This is the new argument or what?? because really  :facepalm:

 

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ps: I hope this isn't against the rules.. I just bring it to be discussed

 

Oh, for the love of........ that is just desperate. You know, if the NH fans MUST defend NH then they can at least be reasonable about it. Like for instance We say Hinata would be submissive to Naruto and their relationship would be one sided bland, but in chapter 615 she showed a bit of back bone and tried to snap him out of it. something like that is plausible to me. Kiba barely talks to Naruto too and I don't see any screen time which he had a personal conversation with Naruto's feelings. Besides As far as he is concerned He only sees that  Hinata like's Naruto becasue He always sees her fainting in front of him and and seeing her defend him if and when she ever speaks up. Has Naruto ever Consulted him on his feelings? Has Naruto asked him advise on how to ask out Sakura or Hinata if he feels that way about her? That Hinata comment Kiba made was just taking shots at Naruto as usual, nothing more. playful banter. "Look it up", to whoever made this.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:21 PM

@Inferno180 You alwasy write so much...props man.

 

You guys ever wonder y ppl dont ship NS and ship something else? I mean like its been said before, It was just obvious to me and it was something I wanted for Naruto. Of course as the story grew as well as I, I became more invested cause I feel now its meant to happen.

 

I never had anything against the other characters in opposing sips Hinata/Sasuke...well I didnt like Sasuke in the beginning just cause he was the kid who got everything, but then I started to like him in pt2 because we found out what happened to him and his family.



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:48 PM

I'm tired of NH and their arguments atm..

 

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:01 PM

I'm tired of NH and their arguments atm..

 

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:15 PM

Ahahahahahahahahahaha EPIC!!

 

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:33 PM

@Inferno180 You alwasy write so much...props man.
 
You guys ever wonder y ppl dont ship NS and ship something else? I mean like its been said before, It was just obvious to me and it was something I wanted for Naruto. Of course as the story grew as well as I, I became more invested cause I feel now its meant to happen.
 
I never had anything against the other characters in opposing sips Hinata/Sasuke...well I didnt like Sasuke in the beginning just cause he was the kid who got everything, but then I started to like him in pt2 because we found out what happened to him and his family.


Same reason we don't all ship the same stuff. People chose to ships based on many things but it all comes down to preference. A reason many chose to do nh with SS is just so we get the everyone is happy ordeal, others just so one is out of the way of their other. There are many reasons but some of it is also just bias and culture of what an ideal partner for another should be like. In short, if love makes real people do crazy stuff, visualizing the aspect of love over fictional characters towards others is grounds to make people legitemately insane.

Someone did make a funny naruto pairings and allaince/enemy tree and which pairings support other pairings, obviously the nh and SS ones are opposite ns but ns has allies like minakushi, sasukarin, and anything with hinata that made sense. It was just something one person made in their spare time for humor. It was updated last as ns having mk because of fathers approval he called it, and this person is a nh fan to boot which makes it humorous.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:48 PM

In response to that idiotic post, it doesn't really work since canonically we were shown that Naruto loves Sakura. Sai addressed this in the flashback, Naruto didn't deny this in Sakura's confession and how can one use Minato in a negative light when all he did was confirm a parallel. Also, its not hard to spot a couple. NS likely reminds him of he and Kushina and what they had. If Kiba was so tuned to Naruto's feelings for Hinata, where was this when it came to Sakura? -_- Denial at its finest. Its comical seeing all of these arguments against NS. 

 

One of my favorites is... The NS/Mk parallel can't work because Naruto is like Kushina. This then leads to them flipping the parallel in favor of them by saying Hinata is SUPPOSEDLY like Minato but I fail to see this... She's not a genius. She was and is nothing like him imo. They then go to say that Naruto is like Kushina and then push that argument. I mean really? And isn't that a parallel? Could of sworn parallels were chucked in the garbage disposal when it came to outside couple's... Its pretty apparent that if it ain't in their favor, its not important nor should it be taken seriously. Lol love this.



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 07:59 PM

 

Thats just it, the pairing stuff was kept stable around pre- invasion of pain but once Hinata jumped in front of Naruto and once Sakura hugged Naruto in 450, the pairing wars would start escalating. Then we got the 457 bolster then the other crowds shoved 469 in our faces, then SS got hammered in the attempted killings during the reunion. Once Kushina appeared it became the pinnicale of this pairing war hinting that kishi did make good on what he said, at least one pairing in the end and half of that was Naruto, the other half would be a girl like Kushina. So for 2-3 years the fandoms debated over Kushina and what it meant. NS and NH said it mattered, the only thing both fandoms could agree on was that Kushinas words were important considering it was a foreshadow and everything else she said for Naruto to do had occured or was in the process of occurring. Well the only clues as to who was like Kushina was directly involved in her own past, her own past was very similar to Sakura and how she early on acted with Minato, Sakura did the same with Naruto. It was very simple. This was our reasoning aside from the similar scenes such as being rescued. Well 631 came out, the truth came to be from Minato seeing Sakura like Kushina, no matter how it was argued Sakura was the first girl, rather the first person to be compared to someone from Naruto's family, rather she is currently the only girl compared to Kushina. If Sakura is similar to Kushina then this means that perhaps Minato's statement was telling the reader, hint hint, Sakura may be with Naruto in the end, its simple. This revelation however, caused people to act like it was an impossibility, to some they treated this logic as harder to believe that Obito was tobi the whole time.

 

Now what has happened after 631? Great upheaval, rage, and confusion to those who thought Kishi was out of his mind for writing this comparing the "Oh so terrible Sakura who always abuses Naruto" to Kushina rather then "the perfect flawless Hinata who deserves him" This choice left so many divides and view points, some resorted to calling Kushina's words wrong, saying its a simple joke nothing important, another in the part of the red herring scheme of things, proves that NS would not work as it would be kushina kushina, say Minato was wrong, etc. Well even if it was just luck for Minato to see Naruto and Sakura there and ask Sakura if she was Narutos GF, Kishi could have written it in so many other ways but he himself chose to do things like this.

 

Now its that unless Minato had a time or even reason to see Hinata out individually, what would he honestly see in Hinata that reminds him of himself since the kushina one is taken? For Minato to obviously not know his own son being dead for 16 years, same for Hinata, he at least has a concept of his own son from the pain event, even then in that situation couldn't he have known Naruto's feelings for others if he could even know about Jiraya dying? Others just went down the parallels do  not matter path while others still go on about Hinata being like Minato or Kushina despite nothing having been shown. There are at least notifications of Naruto being like Minato and Kushina, but the Minato one resurfaces more due to other characters so this gives reason to say the Minato one is dominant. Sakura is the only other one aside from Naruto to be compared to Kushina, at that the only girl compared to Kushina. So any other girls canonically being compared to Kushina aside from Sakura? No? Then we wait to see if this changes or not, even then, Minato compared Sakura to his own wife who he knew for many years before they were married, who he himself supported and knew her inside and out, who even died right behind her after having being exhuasted of chakra, being worn down by Obito, using the reaper seal on himself to ensure death, and getting that final blow from Kurama himself, a giant claw speared right through his back and stomach behind his wife who suffered the same fatal injury. If Minato did not understand Kushina, then I would be willing to give more credit to the claim so many have, but Minato knows his own wife, they were together for years before Naruto was born, if this is the case, Minato knows his wife and its safe to say, he sees Kushina in Sakura and even if its just an internal reminder, its that simple. He sees Kushina in Sakura, so what if Minato sees himself in Naruto as carrying on what he himself stood for?

 

Its simple, Sakura=Kushina but rather than this being a simple 1+1=2 event, people try to make it out to 2/0 in which you cannot divide by zero but people keep trying to find out why despite how simple the reason it cannot happen is.

 

As always inferno you're posts are so epic. :thumb:

 

Bolded. Wouldn't it be funny if Minato does recognize Hinata from the girl who tried to protect him from Pain and he tells her" thank you for trying to protect my son I can see you're a good friend to him". :fu:  Hinata just got friendzoned. :chuckle:


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:04 PM

This is the new argument or what?? because really  :facepalm:

 

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ps: I hope this isn't against the rules.. I just bring it to be discussed

 

 

 

I've seen this as well as many things like it on the nh tag on tumblr , for example Naruto having oedipus complex and Hiashi beeing a bad dad he shunned hinata...  made her shy and insecure?

 

Chichi form DB = hinata?

 

I think Chichi is actually a tsundere if i am not mistaking ? She kind of sort of acts like Sakura?

 

Well if i recall correctly, Hiashi did train poor little Hinata cuz as a clan leader you should to be strong and decisive... well guess what happend , yep that is right she failed and gave up ( on her own).. Nobody made her quit ..but lets bash her dad and make her an innocent angel ...

 

Naruto having oedipus complex is beyond any reasonable explanation , they should really go to wikipedia and check again.. cuz honestly .. yeah.. no comment..

 

Kiba? What about Kiba? He knows Naruto as much as Hinata does ( which is saying something actually) . Theý've spend time together during the Sasuke's retrival arc, when before departure , Naruto declared his POAL .. yeah which leads them where exactly with this argument?

 

They've bashed Naruto for still  having undying feelings for SAkura and beeing an unsensetive pr**k to HInata... then they turn away saying he has moved on, now he loves hinata... disregard his feelings , just beeing disingenuous and disprespecful if you ask me...

 

Not all of them are like this , but... still , sometimes it makes me sad..


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:33 PM

 

 

 

I've seen this as well as many things like it on the nh tag on tumblr , for example Naruto having oedipus complex and Hiashi beeing a bad dad he shunned hinata...  made her shy and insecure?

 

Chichi form DB = hinata?

 

I think Chichi is actually a tsundere if i am not mistaking ? She kind of sort of acts like Sakura?

 

Well if i recall correctly, Hiashi did train poor little Hinata cuz as a clan leader you should to be strong and decisive... well guess what happend , yep that is right she failed and gave up ( on her own).. Nobody made her quit ..but lets bash her dad and make her an innocent angel ...

 

Naruto having oedipus complex is beyond any reasonable explanation , they should really go to wikipedia and check again.. cuz honestly .. yeah.. no comment..

 

Kiba? What about Kiba? He knows Naruto as much as Hinata does ( which is saying something actually) . Theý've spend time together during the Sasuke's retrival arc, when before departure , Naruto declared his POAL .. yeah which leads them where exactly with this argument?

 

They've bashed Naruto for still  having undying feelings for SAkura and beeing an unsensetive pr**k to HInata... then they turn away saying he has moved on, now he loves hinata... disregard his feelings , just beeing disingenuous and disprespecful if you ask me...

 

Not all of them are like this , but... still , sometimes it makes me sad..

 

The chichi argument is just flawed in the sense well look who she tends to act like. Even then when others use DBZ or other series anime or not with pairings that happened, all I can say is That's nice but how does this actually flow back to Naruto? How does this influence the events of the manga directly and make a statement of impact? How does this help prove your pairing or disprove mine despite the fact that these are 2 separate universes which each do their own thing?

 

If anything I again I keep saying this, SS and NH fans should beware what happened in Avatar the last airbender. Zutara was the most popular, had a similar good girl bad boy set up, it was the original concepted pairing, but it never happened. It was even crushed enitrely due to the korra series, yet fans of that pairing still argue why it should have happened to this day, well lets see what happens when NS hits canon and how long others would argue it. I'm not saying NH and SS are granted to fail (well SS is nearing that, NH may end in friendship), but fans of these pairings should be aware from history, learn the reasons why these pairings failed despite the popularity and conception of it being orginally intended and why it was not, and just like SS right now how as the story is written, SS is impossible and NH would have a hard time. If people blindy follow their OTP then when something against their pairing happens and it "Russles their jimmies" well they should be aware of the weaknesses or obsiticles of their pairing and see if its both logical and reasonable for something to happen for their pairing to make a comeback, look at us, we knew Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Hinata's position were the issues for NS, not to mention for a time, Naruto's feelings. 469 was a grave moment for us, same with 615, yet there was a reasonable answer at the time, too many loose ends to just call NS dead or done. We needed more info before anything was said and done, we never saw Naruto's feelings towards Sakura or Hinata since then until 631 came around and we saw him saying Sakura was his GF practically reenforcing his feelings for her, until 631 came around, the only notion of who Naruto liked was in shippuden ep 235 and that was a filler but still the only notion at the time. So look at Zutara over the series and how Zuko and Katara progressed, did the story allow them to be better to each other, give them mutual moments, etc? Yes at the end, the final 10 episodes, 1/6th of the entire story was left for this, lets ignore the other 50 episodes where Aang and Katara got a lot of mutual moments. Yet Zutara fans became too overconfident, the finale came, Aangtara was the canon pairing, Zuko ended up with Mai. They argued with it being the most popular and it being originally thought, but after the 08 finale, one of the co-creators simply said, "We tried it, we experimented, we orginally could have built upon it by the way we originally saw season 2 ending, at the original storyborad Zuko would ended joining them but we felt this did a disservice to both Aang and Zuko, all Aang's effort would have gone for nothing and we felt the way we made Zuko a villain in the first half of season 3 would be enough to serve as a plot element for him to join up with Aang later on. Basically Zuko's efforts were better shown with internal strife rather than join up with them all at once, also better to make the fire nation closer to winning the war then actually repeating season 1s ending by having the earth kingdom become overrun in the end of season 2. And thats that, they chose to do the story like this because it felt better to them, that simple, concepts change, popular pairing fanbase size matters not, they knew how much people loved the pairing but did not care. It did not matter, because fans are generally NEVER ENTITLED.



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:47 PM

 

As always inferno you're posts are so epic. :thumb:

 

Bolded. Wouldn't it be funny if Minato does recognize Hinata from the girl who tried to protect him from Pain and he tells her" thank you for trying to protect my son I can see you're a good friend to him". :fu:  Hinata just got friendzoned. :chuckle:

This Minato doesn't have the memories of the one that was sealed in Naruto.

 

The one that watched the fight between Naruto and Pain saw Rasenshuriken. This Minato said "So you did find complete the rasengan jutsu, Naruto", as if he did not know it.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:56 PM

The minato that naruto meet with in pain arc is different with edo minato that seal in shinigami stomach.
So I don't think minato know the event in pain arc. Just saying.




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