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#3921 NarutoIzDaMan

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 06:49 PM

Sup guys, I haven't been on this forum in AGES. I usually hang out at the naruto forums NaruSaku fanclub but I thought I might drop by and give some of my input on the latest "developments". This is what I wrote on the other NS forum -

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I can't believe I'm about to say this but I actually think that Kishi knows what he's doing (contrary to popular belief) when it comes to Sakura and her little "romance subplot" huh.gif I know I know, I have doubted this more times than I care to remember (including very recently tongue.gif ) but after taking a few steps back and thinking about it I have a much better understanding of where Kishi is going with all of this.

The funny thing is that (again contrary to popular belief) Kishi DOES know what TRUE love is and what it takes to build a mutual nurturing relationship between a man and a woman. The best examples of this are Tsunade/Dan [1] and Kushina/Minato [2] In each of these pairings you can clearly see there was both a mutual connection and understanding between the man AND the woman, which eventually helped both relationships blossom into (you guessed it) TRUE love.

We all know that Naruto and Sakura have the mutual development necessary to help their relationship grow into something much more than friendship. The problem, however, is that Sakura is still holding on to a childish fantasy about what love is supposed to be like and that is preventing her from finding real love and happiness (with Naruto). Sakura has a very slow learning curve when it comes to love but like you (and others) have mentioned before, it is unfortunately a major part of her "character development". So basically, the day Sakura figures out what TRUE love really is and moves past her silly fantasy is the day her character is "complete" and that's when NaruSaku will most likely become canon.

Edited by NarutoIzDaMan, 10 June 2011 - 08:30 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2011 - 07:58 PM

QUOTE (NarutoIzDaMan @ Jun 10 2011, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sup guys, I haven't been on this forum in AGES. I usually hang out at the naruto forums NaruSaku fanclub but I thought I might drop by and give some of my input on the latest "developments". This is what I wrote on the other NS forum -


Very good analysis, Welcome! laugh.gif Yeah its all true but I'm sure Sakura is past the fantasy phase with regards to romance at most she's probably conflicted with her current feelings. Now I know this is for development and to thicken the plot so readers will stay interested (heck all good stories do this) because any couple introduced now will just upset fans of other shippings and they'll probably never read the manga again but at this rate we'll all die of anxiety and anticipation! shamefulcry0js.gif at least that's how I feel tongue.gif

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 June 2011 - 08:00 PM.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jun 10 2011, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very good analysis, Welcome! laugh.gif Yeah its all true but I'm sure Sakura is past the fantasy phase with regards to romance at most she's probably conflicted with her current feelings. Now I know this is for development and to thicken the plot so readers will stay interested (heck all good stories do this) because any couple introduced now will just upset fans of other shippings and they'll probably never read the manga again but at this rate we'll all die of anxiety and anticipation! shamefulcry0js.gif at least that's how I feel tongue.gif

I concur

Btw Naruto saving Sakura from sasuke was the latest anime episode, I just watched pretty darn epic. Is it true Sakura goes to kiss/hug him but he faints because of HER poison Kunai.

#3924 NarutoIzDaMan

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 08:36 PM

^ Thanks for the comments guys and to answer ur question (bthug), it looked like she was about to approach and maybe hug him from behind, but we don't know for sure.

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jun 10 2011, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very good analysis, Welcome! laugh.gif Yeah its all true but I'm sure Sakura is past the fantasy phase with regards to romance at most she's probably conflicted with her current feelings. Now I know this is for development and to thicken the plot so readers will stay interested (heck all good stories do this) because any couple introduced now will just upset fans of other shippings and they'll probably never read the manga again but at this rate we'll all die of anxiety and anticipation! shamefulcry0js.gif at least that's how I feel tongue.gif


I agree and disagree, yes she is past the fantasy that Sasuke is the "perfect guy" BUT she isn't past the fantasy that she COULD help make him into the "perfect guy". Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are primarily based on a fantasy because there is no substance to them. There is no real foundation between her and Sasuke because they were never really close when he was there and now their relationship is completely nonexistent. Her feelings for Naruto, however, are based on reality because they DO have a solid foundation/relationship and there is substance. Do you get what I'm sayin?

Edited by NarutoIzDaMan, 10 June 2011 - 09:04 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2011 - 12:31 AM

QUOTE (NarutoIzDaMan @ Jun 10 2011, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BUT she isn't past the fantasy that she COULD help make him into the "perfect guy".


Where are you getting this? I see no manga evidence of that from the time Naruto comes back from his fight with Sasuke at the Valley of the End in part 1. First time she sees Sasuke in part 2 she's scared of him and acts to try to protect Naruto from him. She makes the choice to kill Sasuke because she has seen he's too far gone to ever even be the guy he was at his best back in Team 7. Her image of Sasuke as she thinks of him in the last chapter makes her feel sick and depressed, that's the exact opposite of what you said. Plus Sakura knew even when she confessed Sasuke would never love her, much less be someone she could make into some "perfect guy". In fact, Naruto is the guy she has urged toward becoming this so called "perfect guy"- even back in part 1....

Edited by ciardha, 11 June 2011 - 12:35 AM.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 01:45 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jun 11 2011, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where are you getting this? I see no manga evidence of that from the time Naruto comes back from his fight with Sasuke at the Valley of the End in part 1. First time she sees Sasuke in part 2 she's scared of him and acts to try to protect Naruto from him. She makes the choice to kill Sasuke because she has seen he's too far gone to ever even be the guy he was at his best back in Team 7. Her image of Sasuke as she thinks of him in the last chapter makes her feel sick and depressed, that's the exact opposite of what you said. Plus Sakura knew even when she confessed Sasuke would never love her, much less be someone she could make into some "perfect guy". In fact, Naruto is the guy she has urged toward becoming this so called "perfect guy"- even back in part 1....


Huh, Really? How? By correcting his behavior? headscratch.gif

and yeah she didn't think she could change him because she felt she didn't need to BECAUSE of her fantasy he was this Ideal guy besides as ciardha said there was no indication of this in the manga it was just physical attraction mellow.gif i'm not being negative about your theory but please show us indications of this okay? smile.gif

And i hope that was the case bthug I really do wow.png but there's no evidence to suggest it sad.gif

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 June 2011 - 02:09 AM.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 01:55 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jun 10 2011, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was the first that gave support to Slextrem's NS build up video. pictureem0.gif


LOL, yeah, I discovered it through that post of yours in Konoha Theater. I figured it'd be easier to point people straight there instead of directing them to the post first.

QUOTE (NarutoIzDaMan @ Jun 10 2011, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree and disagree, yes she is past the fantasy that Sasuke is the "perfect guy" BUT she isn't past the fantasy that she COULD help make him into the "perfect guy". Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are primarily based on a fantasy because there is no substance to them. There is no real foundation between her and Sasuke because they were never really close when he was there and now their relationship is completely nonexistent. Her feelings for Naruto, however, are based on reality because they DO have a solid foundation/relationship and there is substance. Do you get what I'm sayin?


I think I understand, but I'm not too sure about the "fantasy that she COULD help make him into the 'perfect guy' ". I think you're on to something, but the panel in chapter 540 seemed to be more focused on her coming to a realization that he is NOT the "perfect guy". I think that admirer nin's words sort of spurred this realization. I think she sees hope in Sasuke, but I think her pain is rooted in the change Sasuke has gone through, and not as much that he is beyond becoming her ideal man.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 04:46 AM

^ You guys are totally right, thanks for correcting me. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sakura is still not totally over her superficial feelings for Sasuke yet cuz like I said, her so called "love" for him isn't based on substance. I've said this before many times in the other NaruSaku forum but I'll gladly say it again here - Sakura has to figure out on her own that Naruto is the only one who TRULY makes her happy in every way that matters and not Sasuke. She can't be told what to do or be pushed into doing something by someone else (ie. Sai lecturing Sakura).

Basically, if Sakura can't find the resolve to get over her superficial feelings then she is doomed to be alone and miserable the rest of her life because what she will ultimately find out is that sane or insane, Sasuke will never be the guy she wants him to be (which is be more like Naruto). Sasuke will never be her hero, best friend, biggest supporter, or lover. If Sakura can come to this realization on her own and chooses Naruto because it FEELS right, then NaruSaku can become canon without being tainted.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 05:06 AM

Again I concur, and I'm just gonna convince my self that she was gonna hug him biggrin.gif

Question: Would you guys rather see official Narusaku, like when their actually a couple at the very end, like during the epilogue or would u rather see them be a couple asap and go through ups and downs as a couple?

IMO I would like to see it now, but in all honestly it would be better at the very end during the epilogue.
For starters if they were a couple now it would end pairing wars and some fans might stop watching. And kishi or most Naruto fans dont want this to be some type of romantic anime.

So of course I would like to see them together now, I think it would more fulfilling if it happened at the end.
I guess Narusaku moments will just have suffice for now.
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ Jun 11 2011, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again I concur, and I'm just gonna convince my self that she was gonna hug him biggrin.gif

Question: Would you guys rather see official Narusaku, like when their actually a couple at the very end, like during the epilogue or would u rather see them be a couple asap and go through ups and downs as a couple?

IMO I would like to see it now, but in all honestly it would be better at the very end during the epilogue.
For starters if they were a couple now it would end pairing wars and some fans might stop watching. And kishi or most Naruto fans dont want this to be some type of romantic anime.

So of course I would like to see them together now, I think it would more fulfilling if it happened at the end.
I guess Narusaku moments will just have suffice for now.
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Just give me a wub scene after the big battle, and an epilouge and I'm satisfied. wub.gif

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Blazing CobaltX @ Jun 11 2011, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just give me a wub scene after the big battle, and an epilouge and I'm satisfied. wub.gif


But considering the danger (Madara with lots of Biju chakra and space-time-jutsu, Sasuke with ultra eyes and Kabuto with lots of enhanced techniques e.g. Edo Tensei) Naruto should definitely meet Sakura before the final battle.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 01:47 PM

I'd Like them to be a couple now because I've Never been this anxious about a couple before 111193.gif and I was hoping the romance in this one would be different from other shonen manga but I for sure know fans would be in a uproar if their shipping didn't happen like one of my old favorites Inuyasha People still Rant on about hiw Inuyasha shouldn't be with Kagome but Kikyo and I have to say NO! Kikyo is dead her current body is not the real one and she was suffering after her resurrection so she is at peace now What reason do you have for Kikyo, who is now made of clay and bone to be with Inuyasha other than the fact that you hate Kagome? down.gif I know its off topic but the same is being done to Sakura honestly

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 June 2011 - 01:49 PM.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 03:11 PM

QUOTE (rastaman @ Jun 11 2011, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But considering the danger (Madara with lots of Biju chakra and space-time-jutsu, Sasuke with ultra eyes and Kabuto with lots of enhanced techniques e.g. Edo Tensei) Naruto should definitely meet Sakura before the final battle.

Yea I think we will get a kiss or a all out confession from both sides before the final fight, and it will continue in the epilogue. But that brings up the question what if Naruto doesnt end then and maybe we get another time jump, unlikely but what if?

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 04:29 PM

thank you Kim! a_hug.gif

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ Jun 11 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But that brings up the question what if Naruto doesnt end then and maybe we get another time jump, unlikely but what if?

But a time skip to what? I mean the time skip from part 1 to part 2 was because Naruto went training with Jiraiya for 2 years. I'm not saying its not possible but just highly unlikely, unless Kishi gives us hints that a time skip isn't that far fetched. Maybe the closest thing we will get to a time skip is an epilogue showing all the future couples and hopefully Naruto being the Hokage...
Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 04:43 PM

You mean like FullMetal Alchemist? huh.gif

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jun 11 2011, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean like FullMetal Alchemist? huh.gif

Yeah, something like that I guess...
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (hothead @ Jun 11 2011, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But a time skip to what? I mean the time skip from part 1 to part 2 was because Naruto went training with Jiraiya for 2 years. I'm not saying its not possible but just highly unlikely, unless Kishi gives us hints that a time skip isn't that far fetched. Maybe the closest thing we will get to a time skip is an epilogue showing all the future couples and hopefully Naruto being the Hokage...


I agree because I don't consider another time skip (before the epilogue) a possibility. NaruSaku has had enough ups and downs already. Sakura's emotions are fully developed.

Edited by rastaman, 11 June 2011 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2011 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE (hothead @ Jun 11 2011, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But a time skip to what? I mean the time skip from part 1 to part 2 was because Naruto went training with Jiraiya for 2 years. I'm not saying its not possible but just highly unlikely, unless Kishi gives us hints that a time skip isn't that far fetched. Maybe the closest thing we will get to a time skip is an epilogue showing all the future couples and hopefully Naruto being the Hokage...

Yea I agree, I was just saying

Although a time skip could occur under these circumstances( just something I thought of)
During Naruto's fight with Madara, what if Naruto fails and loses the 9tails, we know Naruto doesnt fail, but it could be like sasuke where on the first try he failed and is in the process of his second try.

But yea the only time skip I see is during the epilogue.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ Jun 11 2011, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea I agree, I was just saying

Although a time skip could occur under these circumstances( just something I thought of)
During Naruto's fight with Madara, what if Naruto fails and loses the 9tails, we know Naruto doesnt fail, but it could be like sasuke where on the first try he failed and is in the process of his second try.

But yea the only time skip I see is during the epilogue.


I highly doubt he's gonna lose the Kyuubi. What if he gets the other half of Kyuubi chakra back? Without the Kyuubi he has to get stronger miraculously.
Naruto with the whole Kyuubi chakra + Bee would have as much chakra as Madara at the moment. Though I think that Madara is gonna use the Zetsus to gather chakra.




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