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#3901 Aizen-Sama

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 12:33 AM

 
Imagine if Naruto just goes to visit Sakura in the hospital after having a conversation with Sarada. 
 
Naruto: "Hey sorry I haven't had time to visit in forever."
 
Sakura (sick weak voice): "It's okay I know being the Hokage is tough to handle."
 
Naruto: "I guess...  you've got a point there." 
 
Sakura (wonders in worry): "Naruto are you happy after everything that's happened?"
 
Naruto: "That's hard to say all these years and yet.. despite all of that." 
 
Sakura: "I know how you feel, it makes me wonder whether the choices I made were for the better." 
 
Naruto: "You don't have tell me twice, ya know." 
 
Sakura (smiles): "You should be going the village needs its Hokage."
 
Naruto (worries): "But Sakura you..."
 
Sakura (interrupts): "Don't worry I'll be fine, it's not like this is the worst that's happened to me."
 
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ugh.. my brain needs to stop coming up with headcanons, but but... it would just feel so right  :wibble:
 
KISHI YOU HAD ONE JOB!!


I like to think Salad would walk in on Naruto and Sakura making out. That'd be much more traumatizing. XD

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 12:34 AM

Kishi should just have them mind control because he acts like they do but they're not, so their redemption is really poor.

Or just make him do this all for rin, since her death make him insane.
Not some half ass explenation that we got.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 12:47 AM

 

Imagine if Naruto just goes to visit Sakura in the hospital after having a conversation with Sarada. 

 

Naruto: "Hey sorry I haven't had time to visit in forever."

 

Sakura (sick weak voice): "It's okay I know being the Hokage is tough to handle."

 

Naruto: "I guess...  you've got a point there." 

 

Sakura (wonders in worry): "Naruto are you happy after everything that's happened?"

 

Naruto: "That's hard to say all these years and yet.. despite all of that." 

 

Sakura: "I know how you feel, it makes me wonder whether the choices I made were for the better." 

 

Naruto: "You don't have tell me twice, ya know." 

 

Sakura (smiles): "You should be going the village needs its Hokage."

 

Naruto (worries): "But Sakura you..."

 

Sakura (interrupts): "Don't worry I'll be fine, it's not like this is the worst that's happened to me."

 

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ugh.. my brain needs to stop coming up with headcanons, but but... it would just feel so right  :wibble:

 

KISHI YOU HAD ONE JOB!!

 

4:56  :lmao:


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Posted 01 May 2015 - 12:48 AM

Gutsy Ninja Naruto is Sakura's man, Hinata gets the Obito scraps.

 

Love it!! so true!!!



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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:13 AM

I have to disagree. Naruto is everything Obito was. They were both kitten up rejects with zero talent, no real powers as Obito couldn't even unlock his sharingan, their personalities and ideologies were exactly alike. Their circumstances were the same (in regards to no real family, Obito was ostracized by the Uchiha). Gaara and Sasuke didn't even come close.

 

Nope 

 

Of all the anti-Narutos, Obito is the worst

Gaara represented what Naruto would become without bonds

Nagato represented an extreme way of following the ideal of peace that Jiraya wanted to exist

Regarding Sasuke, Naruto himself said they both could be in each other shoes during the Kage Summit

Obito's motive for his actions is weak and underdeveloped, the only things he has in common with Naruto are being quite a bad ninja in the beginning,  the unrequited love he had for Rin and the fact he wanted to be hokage for some reason (most likely to impress Rin), IMO pretty superficial if we go by what the other Gaara and Nagato represented regarding Naruto's character

Some things you said were just wrong because Obito's backstory was done in a half assed manner  and so we have no indication he was actually ostracized by the Uchiha

 

Really I have nothing against Obito but he was an underdevelopd , badly done villain, his backstory and motives lacked clearance and big part of the fandom didn't bought his redemption. That's mainly Kishi's fault


Edited by Nar123, 01 May 2015 - 01:27 AM.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:14 AM

I wish Obito wasn't a final villain.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:16 AM

Or just make him do this all for rin, since her death make him insane.
Not some half ass explenation that we got.

What explanation did we get?

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:42 AM

What explanation did we get?

I don't do this for rin, I don't care about that, then because you let rin die.

Obito is not the final villain. It is kaguya.
It supposed to be madara, but kishi have no idea how to kill him, so....

@ahk & nar123
Obito is the closet naruto clone we ever get in the series.
Right from the design, dynamic, and interaction.
He's practically uchiha naruto.

Garra is what could happen to naruto if iruka get an order to kill naruto by suicide bombing.
Nagato is what could happen to naruto if his parent dead, his country get sacked, his friend and dig died. But the dead of parent and friend is what change him to become like that.
Obito is what could happen to naruto if sakura dead.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:46 AM

I don't do this for rin, I don't care about that, then because you let rin die.

Obito is not the final villain. It is kaguya.
It supposed to be madara, but kishi have no idea how to kill him, so....

@ahk & nar123
Obito is the closet naruto clone we ever get in the series.
Right from the design, dynamic, and interaction.
He's practically uchiha naruto.

Garra is what could happen to naruto if iruka get an order to kill naruto by suicide bombing.
Nagato is what could happen to naruto if his parent dead, his country get sacked, his friend and dig died. But the dead of parent and friend is what change him to become like that.
Obito is what could happen to naruto if sakura dead.

 

I don't agree with that  because Obito was too much of a poorly done character, Gaara and Nagato work as better, more meaningful comparisions to Naruto than Obito

I personally felt that Naruto's conversation with Nagato was never truly resolved since Naruto never found an answer to peace besides his vague statements

 

In any case the angle of Rin = Sakura was never played, so it's quite meaningless


Edited by Nar123, 01 May 2015 - 01:49 AM.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:47 AM

 

Couldn't agree more!

 

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:52 AM

 
I don't agree with that  because Obito was too much of a poorly done character, Gaara and Nagato work as better, more meaningful comparisions than Obito.
 
In any case the angle of Rin = Sakura was never played, so it's quite meaningless

That because obito never brought up post kakashi gaiden.
Have kishi throw clue like he's an orphan(who we know after the revelation), it would make his reasoning more understable.
Because kishi is not smart enough to figure it out so he drop the peace subject. He should make the peace narative only exclusive to ninja than world wide.

Rin is sakura parallel. But kishi wouldn't make NS parallel because it will only strengthen NS.

Edited by rocci, 01 May 2015 - 01:54 AM.


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Posted 01 May 2015 - 01:58 AM

That because obito never brought up post kakashi gaiden.
Have kishi throw clue like he's an orphan(who we know after the revelation), it would make his reasoning more understable.
Because kishi is not smart enough to figure it out so he drop the peace subject. He should make the peace narative only exclusive to ninja than world wide.

Rin is sakura parallel. But kishi wouldn't make NS parallel because it will only strengthen NS.

 

All those NS parallels in the manga, just flushed down the toilet. Not one of them is a NH parallel.



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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:01 AM

 
All those NS parallels in the manga, just flushed down the toilet. Not one of them is a NH parallel.

Nh doesn't have parallel in the manga, unless you want to count kibaxcatgirl.
Ss parallel is kakarin Ofc Without the murder attempt and unnecessary drama.
Almost all romantic relationship in this manga is parallel to NS.
Just like almost all bromance in this manga is parallel to narusasu.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:02 AM

 
All those NS parallels in the manga, just flushed down the toilet. Not one of them is a NH parallel.


Even Mito, 1st Hokage's wife looks like Sakura. Hinata don't got kitten lol.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:03 AM

Obito was a bad villain. Tobi was good.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:04 AM

Obito was a bad villain. Tobi was good.

Obito is anakin, tobi is darthvader.

Edit : wrong character.

Edited by rocci, 01 May 2015 - 02:08 AM.


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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:06 AM

Obito was a bad villain. Tobi was good.


I wanted Tobi to be Madara. Would've been more epic the 1st Hokage's enemy who was supposed to be dead the leader of Akatsuki. Obito is an assh*le who ruined everything.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:08 AM

That because obito never brought up post kakashi gaiden.

 

 

Not really the reason, if he was supposed to be Tobi, Kishi could've shown nuances and have his backstory nicely developed even before the revelation

 

 

 

Have kishi throw clue like he's an orphan(who we know after the revelation), it would make his reasoning more understable. 

 

 

 

Makes no sense, he's an uchiha and the uchiha was still a clan at the time so he was not an orphan, he had relatives. Kishi should've explored his situation within the clan

 

 

Because kishi is not smart enough to figure it out so he drop the peace subject. He should make the peace narative only exclusive to ninja than world wide.
 

 

That's why he should not have included it in first place, it was a complex theme, one that could be addressed by a more competent writer but not by Kishi

 

 

Rin is sakura parallel. But kishi wouldn't make NS parallel because it will only strengthen NS.

 

 

Gaara's lack of bonds was brought upon, Nagato's ideal of peace that linked him with Jiraya and Naruto was brought upon...you said the main thing that links Obito with Naruto is Rin being Sakura's parallel...now answer was this brought upon? No?

 

Yeah then it was meaningless, as you said if Kishi linked it it would strengthen NS even more... but if Kishi still wanted to continue playing with his stupid pairing teases game such thing couldn't happen, so he simply left it there and didn't explored. Another thing that damaged Obito's character 


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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:09 AM

 

Nope 

 

1.)Of all the anti-Narutos, Obito is the worst

2.)Gaara represented what Naruto would become without bonds

3.)Nagato represented an extreme way of following the ideal of peace that Jiraya wanted to exist

4.)Regarding Sasuke, Naruto himself said they both could be in each other shoes during the Kage Summit

5.)Obito's motive for his actions is weak and underdeveloped, the only things he has in common with Naruto are being quite a bad ninja in the beginning,  the unrequited love he had for Rin and the fact he wanted to be hokage for some reason (most likely to impress Rin), IMO pretty superficial if we go by what the other Gaara and Nagato represented regarding Naruto's character

Some things you said were just wrong because Obito's backstory was done in a half assed manner  and so we have no indication he was actually ostracized by the Uchiha

 

Really I have nothing against Obito but he was an underdevelopd , badly done villain, his backstory and motives lacked clearance and big part of the fandom didn't bought his redemption. That's mainly Kishi's fault

1.) False. 

2.) Not true. Gaara's hatred of the world stemmed initially from the betrayal of his father and uncle, something Naruto would have never had the opportunity to understand, for obvious reasons. Gaara had to survive murder attempts orchestrated by those who he thought to be closest to him. 

3.) The only thing that Nagato and Naruto had in common was that Jiraiya was their teacher. Even in methodology, they were different. Nagato approached the world from an intellectual, philosophical perspective. Naruto did not. Nagato distanced himself from his problems, Naruto had to experience these things up close and personal. 

4.) And? Obito fits that bill just as much. Obito and Naruto are exactly alike, Obito and Kakashi both remarked how strikingly similar they are, Kakashi went so far as to correctly remark that Obito was trying ferociously to beat Naruto will, simply because if Naruto gave up, then Obito would have felt validation that his original ideas, those same ideals that Naruto possessed, were wrong. 

5.) Just because you think his reason for war was weak doesn't mean it's true. His motivation for changing the system was the same as Hashirama, Madara, Jiraiya, Minato, Hagoromo, etc. in the sense that they all hated the way the system worked. Hashirama wanted to change the system because he hated how it took the lives of his loved ones (his brothers) while Obito wanted the same because he felt that the only person he loved was taken by the same system. If you're going to call Obito's motive weak, then you also need to call Hashirama's weak. If you're going to call Obito's motive weak, then you also need to call Madara's weak. If you're going to call Obito's motive weak, then you also need to call Jiraiya's weak, as he wanted to change the system because he hated seeing loved ones of his and his friends die, the same as Obito. If you're going to call Obito's motive weak, then you also need to call Minato's motive weak, for the same reason as Jiraiya. If you're going to call Obito's motive weak, then you also need to call Naruto's weak, for the very same reason. The only fault of Obito is that his methods were terribly wrong. 

 

The only person who's motive you can call weak is Sasuke's, because while he qualifies for the above situations, he fails because his motives were not born from the will of another, rather he was selfish. In the end, while he said that he wanted to do things to avoid another Itachi, he demonstrated the exact opposite. He didn't adhere to Itachi's wishes or advice, and he knew that the path that he was going to take was only going to create more pain and more people like Itachi. The thing is that he didn't care, he was doing things for himself. And before you say that Obito was selfish as well, yes, I know that. But he and Sasuke differ in the sense that Obito was selfish from being blinded, Sasuke was selfish because he wanted to be. Obito and Sasuke are leagues apart. 

 

Obito is, and will always be, the closest thing to an anti-naruto we will ever get, he was the exact polar opposite of Naruto. He is what would have happened to Naruto if Jiraiya, Tsunade, or Sakura had died in his arms. There is no getting past that. 


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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:24 AM

@nar123
That what he should do.
I brought that up because we only know it after his revelation.

Yes, it's a complex issue. Simple mind like kishi should not brought it up or just simplify the peace quest only on ninja term.

No. That's why I said it only strengthen NS.

@ahk
No, only sakura dead. Rin is sakura equivalent Eventhought it never brought up.




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