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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:07 AM

^If the ramen guy had to step in instead of Hinata, his reaction would have been the same, just saying.


Ill say worse considering his love for ramen and his personal interaction with the ramen guy. I think his feelings for the ramen guy are greater than any feelings he had for Hinata. Lol

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:10 AM

That won't happen tough, her feelings for Naruto will never fade away and it would make no sense for them to simply disappear by the end of the manga, Hinata is a satelitte character whose primary and almost only trait is her love for the protagonist, for her to move on she would need a good reason (her love is supposed to be seen as positive) and for her to reconsider her feelings (which never happened and will never happen). She said by the end of this war she's going "to stop chasing after him" which translates to me that she will stand on her 2 feets by herself and as Naruto's equal but she won't drop her romantic feelings for him when it's what defines her character.

 

But the real problem is will people in this fandom accept that hinata will forever have one sided love for naruto? And Always thinking about how he encouraged her rather than haveing hinata starting encourage herself then to just relie on narutos words. Plus people will start to bashing on naruto for never accepting her love they will call naruto all these horrible names for making hinata sympathetic character. Even sakuras will be bashed like crazy. All  i want is hinata to be more than just to have romantic feelings for naruto i want her to take control of her clan,be a leader without always depending on her love for naruto. Having her be a satellite like character just kinda dosen't do justice for me. I prefer hinata loving naruto like a big brother than forever depending on a romantic feelings that never got replicated by naruto.  :sad:


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:19 AM

Well even if i don't want to admit it i think Hinata has taken more place in the plot then the others side character. After the pain arc , i started to wonder who is more important for Naruto between Sakura and Hinata. After all he grew 9 tails when he was thinkin that Hinata was dead... I wonder how he would react if Sakura has to die  :umm:

 

I think he care for Hinata but Sakura is probably the most important person in his life after Sasuke, however that's my opinion...

For Naruto the most important people are first Iruka and Team 7, only then are the rest of his friends along Hinata.

The reasons why Naruto grew 6 tails was because she was the straw that breaks the camel's back, Pain had killed Jiraya and Kakashi destroyed his village and weakened his resolve Naruto's emotional and physical state was at its worst, not only would Naruto react like that for any of his friends it was the intented reaction Pain was looking for he was looking to provoke Naruto to get the Kyuubi out, it's not because he "luvs" Hinata so much it's just an oversimplification which completely dismiss the context and everything that happened before otherwise you would need to argue that Naruto loves Hinata more than Kakashi, Jiraya and his village. Let's not forget too that the seal was weakened like never before.

As for Hinata's status I do think she has gained some focus this war and she has taken a more prominent role but she is no way more important than characters like Shikamaru or Killer Bee for instances ( and there are more ).



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:31 AM

The reason Naruto grew 6 tails is because the seal was weakening Unless you want to imply Hinata is more important to him than Gaara and Sasuke.

 

It's not the reason he got angry, just the reason he lost control so much.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:35 AM

 

But the real problem is will people in this fandom accept that hinata will forever have one sided love for naruto? And Always thinking about how he encouraged her rather than haveing hinata starting encourage herself then to just relie on narutos words. Plus people will start to bashing on naruto for never accepting her love they will call naruto all these horrible names for making hinata sympathetic character. Even sakuras will be bashed like crazy. All  i want is hinata to be more than just to have romantic feelings for naruto i want her to take control of her clan,be a leader without always depending on her love for naruto. Having her be a satellite like character just kinda dosen't do justice for me. I prefer hinata loving naruto like a big brother than forever depending on a romantic feelings that never got replicated by naruto.  :sad:

No offense but why should we care about what these people think ? They have been twisting, denying manga canon facts while at the same time deluding themself that the outcome they support is going to be canon no matter how many times the manga proves them wrong. The most important is that Kishi writes his story as he wants and without fandoms telling him how to write it over petty things such as pairings, I could care less about the fandom's reaction and believe you should do too, the only thing I feel for some fanatics in the Naruto fandom is pity because they are ultimately trolling themself and it's not Kishi's fault.

As for Hinata I sure agree with you she had a lot of potential and one of the most interesting background but all of this has been shot down when Kishi decided that the only thing Hinata should care about is Naruto, 600+ chapters into the story and nothing has changed Hinata is still the same and there's no reason from a writing standpoint for this to change especially when there's no negativity that comes from it, you can argue that her obsession with Naruto is unhealthy and from a real life point of view it sure is but in the manga Naruto is the source of Hinata's strenght and it's mostly depicted as a positive trait. I too would like for Hinata to grow up beyond Naruto but I'm realistic and I am convinced it won't happen, I'm sure tough she will get a new resolve after the war but it won't change her romantic feelings for Naruto, as I said there's no reason for Hinata to move on and at this point in time it would honestly make no sense.

 

The reason Naruto grew 6 tails is because the seal was weakening Unless you want to imply Hinata is more important to him than Gaara and Sasuke.

 

It's not the reason he got angry, just the reason he lost control so much.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:53 AM

you talkin' to me ?

Everyone, but since you brought up the confession, yes. Since we're all talking about Hinata I didn't quote anyone.

 

 

^If the ramen guy had to step in instead of Hinata, his reaction would have been the same, just saying.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:24 AM

Everyone, but since you brought up the confession, yes. Since we're all talking about Hinata I didn't quote anyone.

 

 

lol :lmao:

 

For Naruto the most important people are first Iruka and Team 7, only then are the rest of his friends along Hinata.

The reasons why Naruto grew 6 tails was because she was the straw that breaks the camel's back, Pain had killed Jiraya and Kakashi destroyed his village and weakened his resolve Naruto's emotional and physical state was at its worst, not only would Naruto react like that for any of his friends it was the intented reaction Pain was looking for he was looking to provoke Naruto to get the Kyuubi out, it's not because he "luvs" Hinata so much it's just an oversimplification which completely dismiss the context and everything that happened before otherwise you would need to argue that Naruto loves Hinata more than Kakashi, Jiraya and his village. Let's not forget too that the seal was weakened like never before.

As for Hinata's status I do think she has gained some focus this war and she has taken a more prominent role but she is no way more important than characters like Shikamaru or Killer Bee for instances ( and there are more ).

I don't know what you are talking about, I know my english is far from being the best but what you say in response to what I said makes no sense. And where did I bring the confession ?



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:28 AM

 

I don't know what you are talking about, I know my english is far from being the best but what you say in response to what I said makes no sense. And where did I bring the confession ?

Not the confession itself, just the confession scene. I understant that one can be misunderstood, but the rest should be clear.

 

For Naruto the most important people are first Iruka and Team 7, only then are the rest of his friends along Hinata.

The reasons why Naruto grew 6 tails was because she was the straw that breaks the camel's back, Pain had killed Jiraya and Kakashi destroyed his village and weakened his resolve Naruto's emotional and physical state was at its worst, not only would Naruto react like that for any of his friends it was the intented reaction Pain was looking for he was looking to provoke Naruto to get the Kyuubi out, it's not because he "luvs" Hinata so much it's just an oversimplification which completely dismiss the context and everything that happened before otherwise you would need to argue that Naruto loves Hinata more than Kakashi, Jiraya and his village. Let's not forget too that the seal was weakened like never before.

As for Hinata's status I do think she has gained some focus this war and she has taken a more prominent role but she is no way more important than characters like Shikamaru or Killer Bee for instances ( and there are more ).

Not saying you're wrong with this, just added another reason. Don't know why you didn't udnerstand this.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:35 AM

Not the confession itself, just the confession scene. I understant that one can be misunderstood, but the rest should be clear.

 

Not saying you're wrong with this, just added another reason. Don't know why you didn't udnerstand this.

I wasn't the one who brought the confession and Naruto's reaction it was Kakashi sensei and I answered him about why it wasn't as significant as some people wants it to be.

As for the second part :

 

For Naruto the most important people are first Iruka and Team 7, only then are the rest of his friends along Hinata.

The reasons why Naruto grew 6 tails was because she was the straw that breaks the camel's back, Pain had killed Jiraya and Kakashi destroyed his village and weakened his resolve Naruto's emotional and physical state was at its worst, not only would Naruto react like that for any of his friends it was the intented reaction Pain was looking for he was looking to provoke Naruto to get the Kyuubi out, it's not because he "luvs" Hinata so much it's just an oversimplification which completely dismiss the context and everything that happened before otherwise you would need to argue that Naruto loves Hinata more than Kakashi, Jiraya and his village. Let's not forget too that the seal was weakened like never before.

As for Hinata's status I do think she has gained some focus this war and she has taken a more prominent role but she is no way more important than characters like Shikamaru or Killer Bee for instances ( and there are more ).

I already stated it.

You just gave me the impression that you were contradicting what I was saying ; guess that's just a misunderstanding, I admit my english is not the best.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:36 AM

One major flaw with both NH and SS, it lies on both Hinata and Sakura that differing from Naruto's love, both of their occurred simply because they hoped in the long run and just held out enough which makes things over simplistic when compared to the development and dynamic growth of NS.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:36 AM

Honestly, I think Naruto would have been more upset about the Ramen guy.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:42 AM

Honestly, I think Naruto would have been more upset about the Ramen guy.

 

Lol true story. :fu:


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:06 AM

^If the ramen guy had to step in instead of Hinata, his reaction would have been the same, just saying.


It's true even if kishi didn't decide to make her confession happen, naruto can enter Kyubi rage if konoha send retrieval team and pain kill them left right and then mock naruto.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:41 AM

Honestly i dont give a kitten about hinata. Shes a sidecharacter and has  no relevance to the plot, all this whole hinata talk is only caused by fans of her character or the pairing NH. 

Do you guys seriously believe you would be intrested in her character if their wouldnt be any fans screaming how obvious it i that she going to be paired with naruto in the end and how awesome she is? I guess not. Count her screentime in the manga, enough said.

 

I mean if you are that intrested in hinata you could also be intrested the same way in Ino right? How is she going to overcome her feelings for sasuke and stuff. But noone cares about her since theres as good as no Ino/Sasuke fanbase.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 11:45 AM

^If the ramen guy had to step in instead of Hinata, his reaction would have been the same, just saying.

 

 

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:26 PM

The point here is the fact that even Kishimoto himself admitted in an interview for a magazine in the last summer that the purpose of her character was that he needed an oppai figure in order to appeal fans and that's why he created Hinata. It seems that Kishimoto didn't give her a great purpose in the main story, at least originally...


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:46 PM

it means simply that Hinata was originally been created by the author for a mere fanservice purpose. Oppai means boobs. Japanese are really in love with everyone with boobs, at least almost of them....

 

And yes, the interview is reliable, a japanese guy (takl) posted its translation on NF.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

Hinata can be shown that she'll move on or she won't. It's actually equal in this.

 

After the war, or in the near end of this manga and at any time Hinata appears and the author, from what Hinata saw or heard or think, will drew a panel or two of her that she decided to move on... Happened in anime and manga many times for a side character just for the sake of it.

 

Or, Hinata won't move on and she'll just be shown living her life normally without any mention of how she's been doing about her feelings as in just appearing like the other side character on how they'll be shown.

 

Hinata will still talk in a way on how her character is created, being revolved only about Naruto, every time she appears in the manga till the near end then we'll see one of those two options. That's what I think, and for now, I'm leaning more towards the first option which we'll see her in a one or two panel deciding and trying to move on.

 

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:33 PM

^If the ramen guy had to step in instead of Hinata, his reaction would have been the same, just saying.

Well after that Naruto said to Hinata that she was the only one who was always by he's side ( Chapter 615 ). He never told something like that to Sakura i find that weird because he spent must of his time with her... That makes me a little bit suspicious of who is more important for Naruto between the two in fact...  :confused:


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:37 PM

Well after that Naruto said to Hinata that she was the only one who was always by he's side ( Chapter 615 ). He never told something like that to Sakura i find that weird because he spent must of his time with her... That makes me a little bit suspicious of who is more important for Naruto between the two in fact...  :confused:

He said " Thanks for being by my side this whole time " meaning when he was losing it in 615, and not in all the time in his life. Manga facts.






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