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[PhenixElite]

Finally someone who feels the same.

 

Because I feel like you can't really talk about Hinata on this site without getting a reply like "Who cares about Hinata?", or "Don't worry, NH won't be canon.."

 

My interest in the Hyuuga faded when Neji died, but it's still an important clan to Konoha. It would be great to see Hinata finally standing on her own feet, but it looks like she has no intention of moving on. I won't expect anything, just in case.

 

On the other hand, it looks like Hiashi has accepted Hinata more now. He was impressed when she attacked the Juubi, and I also think Ko said something like "Hiashi would kill me if I let something happen to Hinata".

Honestly i dont give a kitten about hinata. Shes a sidecharacter and has  no relevance to the plot, all this whole hinata talk is only caused by fans of her character or the pairing NH. 

Do you guys seriously believe you would be intrested in her character if their wouldnt be any fans screaming how obvious it i that she going to be paired with naruto in the end and how awesome she is? I guess not. Count her screentime in the manga, enough said.

 

I mean if you are that intrested in hinata you could also be intrested the same way in Ino right? How is she going to overcome her feelings for sasuke and stuff. But noone cares about her since theres as good as no Ino/Sasuke fanbase.

Edited by PhenixElite, 14 July 2013 - 05:39 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Honestly i dont give a kitten about hinata. Shes a sidecharacter and has  no relevance to the plot, all this whole hinata talk is only caused by fans of her character or the pairing NH. 

Do you guys seriously believe you would be intrested in her character if their wouldnt be any fans screaming how obvious it i that she going to be paired with naruto in the end and how awesome she is? I guess not. Count her screentime in the manga, enough said.

 

I mean if you are that intrested in hinata you could also be intrested the same way in Ino right? How is she going to overcome her feelings for sasuke and stuff. But noone cares about her since theres as good as no Ino/Sasuke fanbase.

 

This^

 

LadyGT@

 

I really hope Kishi doesn't show a flashback of Naruto talking to Hinata about her confession and he not accepting her. I think 631 was clear enough to say NH is dead there is no need to rub it in the fandom's faces. 

[六道仙人]

thanks to paptala for the link of all the raws...

 

@megi, it seems that Sakura always used anta with him but only in that specific moment she used anata... maybe it's just a typo but I doubt so since it was volume version.. they always fix errors in volumes.

[Psychox]

Honestly i dont give a kitten about hinata. Shes a sidecharacter and has  no relevance to the plot, all this whole hinata talk is only caused by fans of her character or the pairing NH. 

Do you guys seriously believe you would be intrested in her character if their wouldnt be any fans screaming how obvious it i that she going to be paired with naruto in the end and how awesome she is? I guess not. Count her screentime in the manga, enough said.

 

I mean if you are that intrested in hinata you could also be intrested the same way in Ino right? How is she going to overcome her feelings for sasuke and stuff. But noone cares about her since theres as good as no Ino/Sasuke fanbase.

 

I laughted at this , yeah .. , in 631 Naruto pretty much friendzoned her , and now he will go and say '' Um , well ive droped my feelings for Sakura and i was joking , lets get together'' ... nah..

 

She is irrelevant to the conflict within team 7 , so yeah that ends her plot relevance more or less..

Edited by Psychox, 14 July 2013 - 06:38 PM.

[Psychox]

Btw, I was in a debate with  a hardcore  SS fangirl  and asked her to explain this double standart : Sakura went to kill Sasuke , cuz she loves him , but couldnt bring to do so because she loves him.

 

Below is her answer,am i the only one who would laugh at this ?

 

 

Sakura's love for Sasuke is full of pain.
It's why I think in the end, the pain will turn into healing.
Sakura tried to kill Sasuke because she didn't want to see him condumed by darkness anymore.
Sasuke had a knife behind him about to stab him, so yeah I think that was the time when Sasuke was totally consumed by darkness, and I still think he is in a way.

OR SasuSaku and NaruSaku doesn't need to happen at all
It would also be nice if Sasuke Sakura and Naruto all stayed as Team Kakashi and ended with a happy friendly ending, but I believe Naruto will end with a little bit of romance.
It's my hopes.

Yeah it was for Naruto, because she thought it was because of the promise she he made with her to make Sasuke come back.

It was both for her, Naruto, and Sasuke. It was for team7.

She wanted to save Sasuke from getting consumed deeper into darkness.
And she wanted to kill Sasuke to stop bothering her friend with her love for Sasuke, I take that as a friendly thing.
And she also wants to stop her pain of seeing Sasuke becoming more evil.
But in the end she still loves him, she couldn't stab him while she could've.

There were times when she tried to give up on loving him, but it always leaned towards Love>Give up.

And the panel I showed you, it was Sai.
It's Kishi who is saying that through the manga.
It's BECAUSE she loves him, she also loves Naruto as a friend.
And that's why she wants to murder her love to stop bothering Naruto.

Because Naruto is a friend/comrade that is always by her side.
But Sasuke is her love, that WASN'T always next to her.

 

 

 

Is it just me , or does this girl believe in fanfiction? I can imagine it now : Hey , Naruto i lied to you about my feelings , i still love Sasuke , bye!

 

>.<

Edited by Psychox, 14 July 2013 - 06:51 PM.

[sushi.]

Honestly i dont give a kitten about hinata. Shes a sidecharacter and has  no relevance to the plot, all this whole hinata talk is only caused by fans of her character or the pairing NH. 

Do you guys seriously believe you would be intrested in her character if their wouldnt be any fans screaming how obvious it i that she going to be paired with naruto in the end and how awesome she is? I guess not. Count her screentime in the manga, enough said.

 

I mean if you are that intrested in hinata you could also be intrested the same way in Ino right? How is she going to overcome her feelings for sasuke and stuff. But noone cares about her since theres as good as no Ino/Sasuke fanbase.

This is your answer? Everytime someone brings her up, people reply with this. Like I didn't know any better. I know that she is a side character, but every character has a relevance to the plot. Not the main plot, just the plot. And the fandom. She has relevance to me and I should be able to talk about her without getting her relevance to the story smacked in my face.

 

If someone brings up a topic about Kiba, no one tells eachother he's a side character without relevance.

 

To the guy above me, can we do something else than laugh at other fanbases? That's just mean.

[PhenixElite]

I laughted at this , yeah .. , in 631 Naruto pretty much friendzoned her , and now he will go and say '' Um , well ive droped my feelings for Sakura and i was joking , lets get together'' ... nah..
 
She is irrelevant to the conflict within team 7 , so yeah that ends her plot relevance more or less..

Yeah, but the thing that makes NS canon in my eyes is Minatos comparison. You cant get over it without asspulling like a god. It would be like "kushina said to find a girl like her. Naruto found someone like her but in the end he simply decides not to because what his mother said was bullsh**" XDD. Minatos statement to Obito about not giving up doenst help either. Its like naruto never gave up on something, even his father supports this way beeing, but in the end he says "kitten that" and gives up. XDDD
 
Seriously theres just no way around that. What kishi did is blocking him from making another pairing then NS canon.
 

Btw, I was in a debate with  a hardcore  SS fangirl  and asked her to explain this double standart : Sakura went to kill Sasuke , cuz she loves him , but couldnt bring to do so because she loves him.
 
Below is her answer,am i the only one who would laugh at this ?
 
 
Sakura's love for Sasuke is full of pain.
It's why I think in the end, the pain will turn into healing.
Sakura tried to kill Sasuke because she didn't want to see him condumed by darkness anymore.
Sasuke had a knife behind him about to stab him, so yeah I think that was the time when Sasuke was totally consumed by darkness, and I still think he is in a way.

OR SasuSaku and NaruSaku doesn't need to happen at all
It would also be nice if Sasuke Sakura and Naruto all stayed as Team Kakashi and ended with a happy friendly ending, but I believe Naruto will end with a little bit of romance.
It's my hopes.
Yeah it was for Naruto, because she thought it was because of the promise she he made with her to make Sasuke come back.

It was both for her, Naruto, and Sasuke. It was for team7.

She wanted to save Sasuke from getting consumed deeper into darkness.
And she wanted to kill Sasuke to stop bothering her friend with her love for Sasuke, I take that as a friendly thing.
And she also wants to stop her pain of seeing Sasuke becoming more evil.
But in the end she still loves him, she couldn't stab him while she could've.

There were times when she tried to give up on loving him, but it always leaned towards Love>Give up.

And the panel I showed you, it was Sai.
It's Kishi who is saying that through the manga.
It's BECAUSE she loves him, she also loves Naruto as a friend.
And that's why she wants to murder her love to stop bothering Naruto.

Because Naruto is a friend/comrade that is always by her side.
But Sasuke is her love, that WASN'T always next to her.
 
 
 
Is it just me , or does this girl believe in fanfiction? I can imagine it now : Hey , Naruto i lied to you about my feelings , i still love Sasuke , bye!
 
>.<

Yeah, the mysterious way of viewing the story as a SS fan. Never know where they got that logic from.

This is your answer? Everytime someone brings her up, people reply with this. Like I didn't know any better. I know that she is a side character, but every character has a relevance to the plot. Not the main plot, just the plot. And the fandom. She has relevance to me and I should be able to talk about her without getting her relevance to the story smacked in my face.
 
If someone brings up a topic about Kiba, no one tells eachother he's a side character without relevance.
 
To the guy above me, can we do something else than laugh at other fanbases? That's just mean.

If you want to know my opinion about kiba, well hes also a side character without relevance, but its not like he is involed in a pairing
and some people want him to achieve his goals over the main chartacters ones right??

If you want to discuss hinatas character i guess that the NaruSaku debathe Thread is the wrong place for that but thats just my opinion.
Im simply not intrested in her and thats also one reason why i dont care about NH fanbese comments or worrie about something like NH.
Delete Hinata from the manga what changes? Nothing.

Also whats bad about laughing about other fanbases? They do the same with us right? I just think that they dont read the same manga as i do

Edited by PhenixElite, 14 July 2013 - 07:33 PM.

[Psychox]

This is your answer? Everytime someone brings her up, people reply with this. Like I didn't know any better. I know that she is a side character, but every character has a relevance to the plot. Not the main plot, just the plot. And the fandom. She has relevance to me and I should be able to talk about her without getting her relevance to the story smacked in my face.

 

If someone brings up a topic about Kiba, no one tells eachother he's a side character without relevance.

 

To the guy above me, can we do something else than laugh at other fanbases? That's just mean.

 

 

 

Mmm, i was not mean at her or her fanbase at all, but everything i said or proved , she first accepts it halfway or ignores it then she couldnt point out what i was asking her.

 

In other words , she could not counter anything i trew at her , only stating she loves him  , and heal him (his heart)?

 

I got a little mad at her for first agreeing with some of the stuff i say, then brush it off, so  i just let it go .

 

The funny thing was they cant counter it .. with anything.

[PhenixElite]

Mmm, i was not mean at her or her fanbase at all, but everything i said or proved , she first accepts it halfway or ignores it then she couldnt point out what i was asking her.
 
In other words , she could not counter anything i trew at her , only stating she loves him  , and heal him (his heart)?
 
I got a little mad at her for first agreeing with some of the stuff i say, then brush it off, so  i just let it go .
 
The funny thing was they cant counter it .. with anything.

They cant counter it cause they have no evidence for anything. They just try to bring up new points.

[Cherry-Bloss93]

The translation is something like this, I tried to make it as smooth as possible ^^Sakura: Naruto... I only come crying to you...I only rely on you and cling to (edit: depend on) you...I couldn't do anything.....
 
Now that I have time and have good raw scans:
 631, Naruto's line
 
「まあ、そんな感じだって。。。」- "Well, something like that..."it is clear to me that he is not saying "dattebayo" he is saying "datte", meaning that she/it is said.
you can be the judge.
 633 Hinata's line
 
 
「私は。。。ナルトくんの横にずっといたいんだもの！」
 
This is translated as :
 
I...want to be by Naruto-kun's side the whole time! 
I...want to have been by Naruto-kun's side the whole time!
 
ずっと (zutto) - which I have translated as "the whole time", is like "all the way", referencing a long time or distance. It will still mean the same thing any way.
Either translation, she is clearly stating her desire/want. She is not talking something she has done or does.
 
I hope this clears up things.

Wow, so with the girlfriend translation are you saying it's possible he was going to go on to say, "well, she did say she loved me," or something similar, referring to the confession?

[Inferno180]

This is your answer? Everytime someone brings her up, people reply with this. Like I didn't know any better. I know that she is a side character, but every character has a relevance to the plot. Not the main plot, just the plot. And the fandom. She has relevance to me and I should be able to talk about her without getting her relevance to the story smacked in my face.

 

If someone brings up a topic about Kiba, no one tells eachother he's a side character without relevance.

 

To the guy above me, can we do something else than laugh at other fanbases? That's just mean.

 

I don't hate Hinata, I find her decent, her story could have been expanded like Shikamarus was during the immortals arc. That arc was good because while team 7 was moving on as normal, team 10 mainly shikamaru got development and really showcased the perfect balance of his character, a guy with abilities but limits to those powers and proves he could win by intellect and dexterity over raw power. Kinda going on comic heroes here, people tend to look for the batman/superman balance, is the hero more mortal and tool dependent or power and raw prowess orientated? Batman's side is simple human but many tools and intellegence to make up for this. Supermans side is raw power and just smash into stuff until you win. A marvel hero I feel is a good balance of power and tool/resourcefulness is spiderman, he has his powers like strength and stamina but has a few tools to help him as well, he uses a combination of his biological powers, tools (like the web slingers, other stuff shield gives him like night vision at times, etc), and his own intelligence, this makes him a good hero who has limits to his power, has tools to support it, and uses these in tandam with being smart. Shikamaru basically displays this stuff I feel, which was a good way to build his character, made it all the more satisfying how he took down Hidan in the methods like this. If Kishi had given development to Hinata in this sense, it could have explored her character much more and done more with her. If there was more content in the manga to explore Hinata's character, NH would have been much more likely

 

I mean what if there was a manga arc between the Immortals and Itachi pursuit (Not counting the 3 tails from the anime)? One with Hinata as the secondary role? That would have given her a better set up rather then just the short meeting in the Sasuke and sai arc until the invasion of pain. Basically Hinata had the potential but Kishi didn't fully explore it, her character was ripe for just using fillers or extensions in the anime though. The only things Hinata has that can be foreseen for her character is at least getting confidence in herself, becoming the clan leader of the Hyuga, and mending the relationship of the branches with/without Naruto's help. Standing aside him as a comrade, kinda like Shikamaru said, thats understandable but in in the long run, its going to be harder to bring the NH stuff to a major point when there's still a lot of NS development in the past bringing many reasons for it forward, 631 parallel, and many NaruSaku interactions that still need to occur before its canon or leads to NS just being friendship (if Nh was to be canon). Also as said before, Sakura's fate without a SS ending that would result in a disaster on the characters of Sasuke and Sakura. No need to mention the 635 events with SS stuff going into conflict. Hinata is not a bad character, its just she could have been used more. The only real problem I have is, even with her feelings being brought up in 633, Hinata shows no clear sign or indication of what we should expect kishi to do with her, this is not as big an issue in NH, its rather just for Hinata herself, what is her endgame and to be accomplished? Espcially with 631 and 635 looming over it. SS may be dead soon so this would just be either NS is canon or NH is canon alone but still needing to end Sakura in some way without ruining her development and simply making everything NS did as just friendship, yet this would still lead to conflict from 631 with Kushina's foreshadow having just been humor or nothing serious. This just still leads back to many questions and how can these be resolved at this rate? As right now, they cannot. NH is in a state of limbo, only until more chapters are released can this improve or decrease the chances of it. But getting over events like 631, 635, and more is going to be hard.

[T XD]

When I see a side character appearing in an anime and manga, he/she plays a role to the plot, not the main one, like adding a little detail here and there. That's all. To have more things going on with the side characters. In the end, they can't do nothing at all in a manga, so they got to talk or do a roll when the author wants them to. Though, some side characters get more spotlight for the favor of popularity and having fan service, but that's another story.

 

Deleting a side character won't change the importance of the story, but their existence add details for the sake of adding it in a story. That's how side characters are in general. Now, there's people who gets interested in side character/s and they just got to know what happens to them if it ever get more light on them. It's like favoring a side character and want to know where they're heading to if this side character ever get the chance to. 

 

It's just a matter of a one getting interested in side character/s which some don't at all. For example, me. I'm interested in Soi fon, a side character, from Bleach. I want her to have a nice development if she ever could. She happened to be my number one favorite character from Bleach. What are the chances cause I usually have a main character in this spot.

Edited by T XD, 14 July 2013 - 10:18 PM.

[rocci]

@sushi
633 can mean for for canonization of nh in the upcoming chapter.
OR

It will become 450, which portray Hinata reaction to sakura hug with (......).
I believe that Hinata is delusional and that because overtime she tought that naruto will love her back, because naruto didn't show any romantic feeling to sakura, but if naruto show it I believe the same reaction will happen just like chapter 450, because for someone who claim to always watch naruto, she didn't acknowledge his feeling to sakura. While naru & saku already acknowledge sakura & Hinata feeling. So Hinata can still love naruto even after NS become canon or even after NS have children.

that's just her character a cute shy girl who love protagonist trope. Usually she never get and still love her love interest.
Just my opinion.

[rikakim94]

@sushi
633 can mean for for canonization of nh in the upcoming chapter.
OR

It will become 450, which portray Hinata reaction to sakura hug with (......).
I believe that Hinata is delusional and that because overtime she tought that naruto will love her back, because naruto didn't show any romantic feeling to sakura, but if naruto show it I believe the same reaction will happen just like chapter 450, because for someone who claim to always watch naruto, she didn't acknowledge his feeling to sakura. While naru & saku already acknowledge sakura & Hinata feeling. So Hinata can still love naruto even after NS become canon or even after NS have children.

that's just her character a cute shy girl who love protagonist trope. Usually she never get and still love her love interest.
Just my opinion.

 

I have a problem with this its better for hinata to move on rather than clinging onto one sided romance forever.

Its not healthy on her character if she really wanted a relationship with naruto why couldn't she talk to naruto after the pain arc instead of waiting for a moment to jump in a serious situation like in 615 and confession. Her character will do more well do more well without naruto being involved. Also its going to be harder to accept ns as pairing for some people when hinata ends up being a sympathic character in the end which i don't want i rather have her to be independent strong women who don't need to cling on naruto for the rest of her life.

Edited by rikakim94, 14 July 2013 - 11:01 PM.

[六道仙人]

The point here is the fact that even Kishimoto himself admitted in an interview for a magazine in the last summer that the purpose of her character was that he needed an oppai figure in order to appeal fans and that's why he created Hinata. It seems that Kishimoto didn't give her a great purpose in the main story, at least originally...

[TouKen4Life3g]

The point here is the fact that even Kishimoto himself admitted in an interview for a magazine in the last summer that the purpose of her character was that he needed an oppai figure in order to appeal fans and that's why he created Hinata. It seems that Kishimoto didn't give her a great purpose in the main story, at least originally...

I say he stretch her story of idol further due to popular. Judging by that, I guess love was hardly the attention. Sounds bad but really, this is good enough. But sadly, you must get love.

[Awes9]

 

I have a problem with this its better for hinata to move on rather than clinging onto one sided romance forever.

Its not healthy on her character if she really wanted a relationship with naruto why couldn't she talk to naruto after the pain arc instead of waiting for a moment to jump in a serious situation like in 615 and confession. Her character will do more well do more well without naruto being involved. Also its going to be harder to accept ns as pairing for some people when hinata ends up being a sympathic character in the end which i don't want i rather have her to be independent strong women who don't need to cling on naruto for the rest of her life.

That won't happen tough, her feelings for Naruto will never fade away and it would make no sense for them to simply disappear by the end of the manga, Hinata is a satelitte character whose primary and almost only trait is her love for the protagonist, for her to move on she would need a good reason (her love is supposed to be seen as positive) and for her to reconsider her feelings (which never happened and will never happen). She said by the end of this war she's going "to stop chasing after him" which translates to me that she will stand on her 2 feets by herself and as Naruto's equal but she won't drop her romantic feelings for him when it's what defines her character.

[arian_rad]

I say he stretch her story of idol further due to popular. Judging by that, I guess love was hardly the attention. Sounds bad but really, this is good enough. But sadly, you must get love.

It's sad because her story with Naruto could have been so much better in general whether it ended up to be love or not. However, it's just the lack of personal development that Hinata has and that her only two significant moments for Naruto have come from her acting like a meat shield to get his attention. It's just too little too late for her character because Naruto will always love Sakura and that won't change. Can you honestly imagine not talking to someone for almost 3 years, they suddenly confess to you by acting as a meat shield? Like Naruto does not even know Hinata.... It sucks but the personal development is so lacking that I could never see it happening at this point.

Edited by arian_rad, 14 July 2013 - 11:27 PM.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

Honestly i dont give a kitten about hinata. Shes a sidecharacter and has  no relevance to the plot, all this whole hinata talk is only caused by fans of her character or the pairing NH. 

Do you guys seriously believe you would be intrested in her character if their wouldnt be any fans screaming how obvious it i that she going to be paired with naruto in the end and how awesome she is? I guess not. Count her screentime in the manga, enough said.

 

I mean if you are that intrested in hinata you could also be intrested the same way in Ino right? How is she going to overcome her feelings for sasuke and stuff. But noone cares about her since theres as good as no Ino/Sasuke fanbase.

Well even if i don't want to admit it i think Hinata has taken more place in the plot then the others side character. After the pain arc , i started to wonder who is more important for Naruto between Sakura and Hinata. After all he grew 9 tails when he was thinkin that Hinata was dead... I wonder how he would react if Sakura has to die 

 

I think he care for Hinata but Sakura is probably the most important person in his life after Sasuke, however that's my opinion...

Edited by Kakashi-Sensei, 14 July 2013 - 11:36 PM.

[LadyGT]

^If the ramen guy had to step in instead of Hinata, his reaction would have been the same, just saying.