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[Phantom_999]

Nah, even if you only think about Sakura loving Naruto instead of Sasuke who has turned evil, it doesn't necessarily mean he's the second choice. That's because she couldn't have known beforehand that Sasuke would become a traitor, who's obviously obsessed with power. As soon as NS comes true Naruto won't feel like a second choice mainly because he has always loved Sakura for caring about Sasuke. Naruto actually wants to see Sakura caring about Sasuke till the end. That's what drives Naruto to be just as faithful towards his love interest as Sakura is towards Sasuke. I kinda see it from Naruto's and not from Sakura's perspective, so even if Sakura egoistically turns to Naruto it will be alright as long as she doesn't give up hope till the 'end', which should leave no openings for SS or NH^^

Either way Sakura would have eventually fallen in love with Naruto, she was sporadically starting to realize who Naruto actually is and sasuke never like sakura so at some point you gonna get over, in this case it was just sooner rather then later.

Actually you could make the argument that even though sasuke is a traitor Sakura still has feelings for him (chapter 540) so being a traitor or not hasnt changed anything, but in due time she will find herself falling in love with Naruto.

well sometimes the first person you fall in love with isnt the person thats right for you. sometimes you have to move on and the next person which could be better and make you happier. who cares about second choices. what i dont like is when ppl say "well if hinata is naruto's second choice then naruto is sakura's second choice also" cause theres a difference. sakura was hurt by sasuke and sasuke never cared for her that way at all. so its only natural for sakura to feel unwanted and move on. while naruto had sakura always backing him up through think and thin so him moving on to hinata would be like a second choice....do ya get me? XD or am i not making any sense lol im not trying to sound biased thats just how it seems to me.

I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that how OTHERS may interpret it. They would say Naruto is only Sakura's BACKUP PLAN because her so called Prince wasn't the one or didn't return her feelings. I know Sakura is better than that, that she isn't shallow enough to think Naruto is second prize. If I DID believe that I would be a sorry EXCUSE(!) for a human being and a hypocrite (and I tell you I DESPISE hypocrites) because I know that we all have, AS human beings, been rejected more than once or twice or have been in a failing relationship throughout our lives and it IS very painful(unless we're unusually lucky) so that would seem like a very pathetic reason to start a new relationship/friendship wouldn't you agree? I just pointing out the views of others.

you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find a prince

Oh and very cute point Tricksie I agree only that Sasuke's NO frog nor is Naruto for that matter I personally would say " You have to find and KNOW your prince/princess before you kiss them"

Edited by Phantom_999, 05 June 2011 - 09:22 PM.

[rastaman]

I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that how OTHERS may interpret it.

lol I know it might seem to you as if I were criticising you but I only stated my opinion myself.
Maybe I got used to explaining my points too enthusiastically since there's a bunch of fools in the mangafox community.
That's what I like about this thread. No matter what you say it's all for the good of NS

[Phantom_999]

Oh okay but I meant what I said I really don't think Sakura is so petty Others do unfortunately

[bthug]

Well u wouldn't fall in love with a second person if u were truly in love with the first.

[Phantom_999]

Well doesn't that mean Sakura could still be in love with Sasuke?
I know that s not what you meant but why bring up that fact?

Edited by Phantom_999, 06 June 2011 - 01:58 AM.

[merryGOflava]

Well doesn't that mean Sakura could still be in love with Sasuke?
I know that s not what you meant but why bring up that fact?

cause sakura is falling for naruto which means she wasnt totally in love with sasuke.

theres another quote like that.

if theres two people you love pick the second one, cause if you really loved the first you wouldn't have fallen for the second

[Phantom_999]

yeah however its also due to the fact she hasn't seen him for 2 years
But yeah her love for him wasn't real it was just a crush based on physical appearance

[merryGOflava]

yeah however its also due to the fact she hasn't seen him for 2 years
But yeah her love for him wasn't real it was just a crush based on physical appearance

well if he wasnt turing evil he wouldnt be gone for 2 years in the first place >w>

[bthug]

But Naruto would have been and sasuke being in the village wouldnt have mattered cause he doesnt want anything to do with Sakura.

Btw that was the quote


Oh also as i was writing this a thought came into my mind

What if Sasuke before the fight admits that he had feeling for Sakura

But of course Sakura would have her moment to reject him and tell him that she is in love with Naruto, not because of all the bad things sasuke has down, but because she is just in love with Naruto Uzumaki

[merryGOflava]

But Naruto would have been and sasuke being in the village wouldnt have mattered cause he doesnt want anything to do with Sakura.

Btw that was the quote


Oh also as i was writing this a thought came into my mind

What if Sasuke before the fight admits that he had feeling for Sakura

But of course Sakura would have her moment to reject him and tell him that she is in love with Naruto, not because of all the bad things sasuke has down, but because she is just in love with Naruto Uzumaki

heh heh > that would be sweet >:3

[Namaenash]

What if Sasuke before the fight admits that he had feeling for Sakura

But of course Sakura would have her moment to reject him and tell him that she is in love with Naruto, not because of all the bad things sasuke has down, but because she is just in love with Naruto Uzumaki

I doubt it though. Remember Sasuke tried to kill her twice in the same chapter? if suddenly Sasuke had a feeling for Sakura, it'll be very strange and the audience will get the impression that it is not well-planned.

[MangaReader]

I doubt it though. Remember Sasuke tried to kill her twice in the same chapter? if suddenly Sasuke had a feeling for Sakura, it'll be very strange and the audience will get the impression that it is not well-planned.

I don't think NaruHina and SasuSaku fans would care if Sasuke admitted his love Sakura was sudden, it gets each of their favorite pairings a win. But I would be greatly discouraged, unless it went down like 469 did, where the page ends with I love you, then on the next page we get Sakura's reaction/rejection

[Namaenash]

I don't think NaruHina and SasuSaku fans would care if Sasuke admitted his love Sakura was sudden, it gets each of their favorite pairings a win. But I would be greatly discouraged, unless it went down like 469 did, where the page ends with I love you, then on the next page we get Sakura's reaction/rejection

Not quite right. I recall the page ends with Naruto saying 'I hate people who lie to themselves' and we got the 'aftermath' in the following chapter. The way I see the chapter is, it's an eye opener for Sakura that no matter how selfless Naruto is, no matter how deep his love is, she can't play games with his heart. This is inline with both Naruto and Sakura's character.

Sadly, at this point, I think the only way Sakura will realize that Naruto is her true soulmate, is when Naruto die / almost die. I'm just curios how she'll react when she know that Naruto jumped in to the war (which essentially trying to dig his own grave).

In a sense, yes, we are fighting 2 major fanbases that don't really care about the depth of character development so long as their pairing prevail. It's just showing how *excuse me* shallow the pairings are. I'd say, people have their rights to express themselves. In the end, we know which pairing has the best chemistry, regardless who gets who.

[ciardha]

Not quite right. I recall the page ends with Naruto saying 'I hate people who lie to themselves' and we got the 'aftermath' in the following chapter. The way I see the chapter is, it's an eye opener for Sakura that no matter how selfless Naruto is, no matter how deep his love is, she can't play games with his heart. This is inline with both Naruto and Sakura's character.

Sadly, at this point, I think the only way Sakura will realize that Naruto is her true soulmate,

She has, reread what she said to Naruto about her feelings for him in 469-70. She was NOT "playing with his heart"- sheesh and you call yourself a narusaku fan? That's some serious Sakura bashing there. You are saying the very thing that aggravated Kishimoto into bluntly stating at Jump Festa 2009 that "on the contrary, I was writing Sakura as an HONEST and surprisingly determined girl".

Once Sakura got angry Naruto's reaction in 470 made it clear it had FINALLY sunk in that she is in love with him now. He apparently had shifted to thinking Sakura was in love with both Sasuke and himself by 470. Note how he doesn't look angry, but calmly reflective in 474 when Sai says that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and has fallen in love with Naruto, and how she was only thinking of Naruto. Note at this moment is the first time Naruto briefly mentally sees Sakura as she is now, not as the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl. When he shifts back into doing that Sai's words finally causes Naruto's mental image of the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl to shatter into pieces. The way Sakura and Naruto act toward each other from the point Naruto rescues her onward reflects their new status of knowing there's mutual feelings of love, even if Naruto hasn't quite realized Sakura is his soulmate. Naruto's mental image of Sakura inn relation to him is here:

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

her attention is fully on him, and she is looking at him with open adoration and love. Yet Naruto doesn't say the magic words about Sakura- "And mom don't worry, I found a girl like you to love."

Edited by ciardha, 06 June 2011 - 09:42 AM.

[Hokage Sennin]

She has, reread what she said to Naruto about her feelings for him in 469-70. She was NOT "playing with his heart"- sheesh and you call yourself a narusaku fan? That's some serious Sakura bashing there. You are saying the very thing that aggravated Kishimoto into bluntly stating at Jump Festa 2009 that "on the contrary, I was writing Sakura as an HONEST and surprisingly determined girl".

Once Sakura got angry Naruto's reaction in 470 made it clear it had FINALLY sunk in that she is in love with him now. He apparently had shifted to thinking Sakura was in love with both Sasuke and himself by 470. Note how he doesn't look angry, but calmly reflective in 474 when Sai says that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and has fallen in love with Naruto, and how she was only thinking of Naruto. Note at this moment is the first time Naruto briefly mentally sees Sakura as she is now, not as the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl. When he shifts back into doing that Sai's words finally causes Naruto's mental image of the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl to shatter into pieces. The way Sakura and Naruto act toward each other from the point Naruto rescues her onward reflects their new status of knowing there's mutual feelings of love, even if Naruto hasn't quite realized Sakura is his soulmate. Naruto's mental image of Sakura inn relation to him is here:

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

her attention is fully on him, and she is looking at him with open adoration and love. Yet Naruto doesn't say the magic words about Sakura- "And mom don't worry, I found a girl like you to love."

That is a big one, akin to a leap of faith for anyone to believe in that. Though I agree with you, it really takes time to sink in, and still it has some traces of skepticism because it took some reading between the lines. It is natural that anything outside of outright/explicit mention or the first glance gives anyone doubt, and the mutuality of Naruto and Sakura's romantic feelings is one of them. As I did a mental summary of how the dynamic between Naruto and Sakura was since the invasion of Pain it tells me that aside from Naruto changing his perception of Sakura to who she is at the present, things remain as they were before. Sakura's increasing fondness for Naruto pre-confession was diluted with the said action, casting doubts on her sincerity. It would be hard to arrive in the same conclusion as you, as her angry reaction after she confessed and his mental image of her among other things can mean different things to different people, including among us NS fans. Kishi's statement that he made Sakura honest and determined is also difficult to grasp because it is not explicitly stated in any chapter, forming that inherent piece of doubt. It is like our parents reassuring us that everything is OK though we still don't see it that way because we need to see concrete proof that it is indeed OK.

[Namaenash]

She has, reread what she said to Naruto about her feelings for him in 469-70. She was NOT "playing with his heart"- sheesh and you call yourself a narusaku fan? That's some serious Sakura bashing there. You are saying the very thing that aggravated Kishimoto into bluntly stating at Jump Festa 2009 that "on the contrary, I was writing Sakura as an HONEST and surprisingly determined girl".

Once Sakura got angry Naruto's reaction in 470 made it clear it had FINALLY sunk in that she is in love with him now. He apparently had shifted to thinking Sakura was in love with both Sasuke and himself by 470. Note how he doesn't look angry, but calmly reflective in 474 when Sai says that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and has fallen in love with Naruto, and how she was only thinking of Naruto. Note at this moment is the first time Naruto briefly mentally sees Sakura as she is now, not as the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl. When he shifts back into doing that Sai's words finally causes Naruto's mental image of the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl to shatter into pieces. The way Sakura and Naruto act toward each other from the point Naruto rescues her onward reflects their new status of knowing there's mutual feelings of love, even if Naruto hasn't quite realized Sakura is his soulmate. Naruto's mental image of Sakura inn relation to him is here:

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

her attention is fully on him, and she is looking at him with open adoration and love. Yet Naruto doesn't say the magic words about Sakura- "And mom don't worry, I found a girl like you to love."

Well, apology in advance here. I've never intended to bash any character, moreover Sakura. I wish I could have the same interpretation as you Ciardha, but I think my skills to read between the lines are not there yet. At least, let's not forget that all of us in this forum are on the same page: to defend and cherish Naruto & Sakura as a pairing for all the great reasons.

I don't see any harm to put a constructive criticism against Sakura (or Naruto). They are human nonetheless (well, fictional character actually ). They are imperfect and they have flaws. There's nothing wrong with it. A healthy relationship is achieved by take and give, mutual understanding and support against each other. We see those qualities in NaruSaku desuyou? (compared to other one-sided pairings). They support each other, they argue, they fought, they laugh, they are doing their best to make the other part happy/safe.

So, yeah, let's just wait and see how it goes. I look forward for the next NaruSaku moments.

[rastaman]

She has, reread what she said to Naruto about her feelings for him in 469-70. She was NOT "playing with his heart"- sheesh and you call yourself a narusaku fan? That's some serious Sakura bashing there. You are saying the very thing that aggravated Kishimoto into bluntly stating at Jump Festa 2009 that "on the contrary, I was writing Sakura as an HONEST and surprisingly determined girl".

Once Sakura got angry Naruto's reaction in 470 made it clear it had FINALLY sunk in that she is in love with him now. He apparently had shifted to thinking Sakura was in love with both Sasuke and himself by 470. Note how he doesn't look angry, but calmly reflective in 474 when Sai says that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and has fallen in love with Naruto, and how she was only thinking of Naruto. Note at this moment is the first time Naruto briefly mentally sees Sakura as she is now, not as the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl. When he shifts back into doing that Sai's words finally causes Naruto's mental image of the unattainable 12 year old Sasuke fangirl to shatter into pieces. The way Sakura and Naruto act toward each other from the point Naruto rescues her onward reflects their new status of knowing there's mutual feelings of love, even if Naruto hasn't quite realized Sakura is his soulmate. Naruto's mental image of Sakura inn relation to him is here:

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

her attention is fully on him, and she is looking at him with open adoration and love. Yet Naruto doesn't say the magic words about Sakura- "And mom don't worry, I found a girl like you to love."

lol now I get your point. I was kinda confused by Sai's statement in the third panel of the first page in chapter 474. It's a seeming contradiction if he first says 'Sakura didn't come here to confess her feelings to you' but later says 'She thought she'd lessen your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love for you'. Sai thinks that Sakura ORIGINALLY didn't confront Naruto so that she could confess to him. Only after Yamato implies, that Sakura probably expected Naruto's reaction, does Sai say that his guess is that she's gonna kill Sasuke. So Sai comprehends that Sakura probably never planed on telling Naruto about the others' opinion of Sasuke and tries to act on her own.
Is there a possibility that the translation isn't 100% correct? Maybe there is a Japanese word for 'originally' used in the first balloon of the mentioned panel?
Because there is no such word the first statement I got the impression that the second mentioned statement is about a 'calculating' Sakura.
If there were and 'originally' used in the first statement, then I would have noticed right away that even Sai who's known to be bad with social interactions and emotions speaks about a 'sensitive' Sakura who has actually pretty strong feelings towards Naruto. I mean he DOES actually notice her fake smile so there should be a more precise wording in the first statement.

Whatever, thanks for the post. Now I'm even more assured as far as NS is concerned.

Is it far-fetched to say that Sakura's second motivation for seeking out Sasuke, except for her duty and weakened affection towards Sasuke, is an attempt to purposely analyze Sasuke's degraded personality or even expose herself to his hatred, so that she loses all lingering, subconscious feelings for him? I mean if she wants to 'open her eyes' after she's had a childish attitude towards the Sasuke matter, then stepping right into the lion's den is the best way to do so.

[ciardha]

Well, I guess even Naruto thought Sakura was playing games with him at that moment.

No. He thought she was "lying to herself" (In plainer words- he thought she was in denial) thinking she had extinguished every bit of any feeling for Sasuke, even the team mate bond and memories of her feelings. No, he did not think she was "playing games with him" but deluding herself about being completely over Sasuke. Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura are all separate characters. and their emotions about one character is separate from their emotions about another character. No, he did not accuse her of playing games with his feelings, he accepted she had fallen in love with him. Naruto was mad at her because she had mentally convinced herself she was done with Sasuke, that he meant nothing to her anymore, but he believedl she still had feelings for him, plus she had just made a big crack that rigid wall he had chosen (totally unknown to Sakura. In fact, she was horrified and devastated when Sai told her what Naruto had done to homself because she was already so deeply in love with Naruto.) to build around his feelings for her and his image of her as the 12 year old unattainable Sasuke fangirl.

Oh this is interesting. So you think it's Naruto who hasn't yet realized Sakura is his soulmate? I thought he sort of knew that from the bench scene, that's why he couldn't get over her.

See above, he's likely still working through a bit of the residuals of what he did to himself- he seems to have forgotten that whole scene and what he said to her and put it together with what his mom said about her hair and how she reacted when Minato told her it was beautiful.

Sakura is confident in being in love with Naruto, but from what he said to her in 469-70, she thinks Sai got it a bit wrong, that it's Sasuke that Naruto is in love with, or at least is more in love with. She's also haunted by her reactions when she tried to kill Sasuke, what Naruto said to her, what Kakashi threw back in her face. It makes her feel sick and miserable that she believes she harbors lingering feelings for Sasuke. The whole situation has made her worried what is really just the memories of her one side crush and the team mate bond (the later Kishimoto showed how powerful it was with the Sanin) might be lingering feelings for someone as dark and crazed as Sasuke. The whole situation makes her feel depressed, she just needs to talk with Tsunade.

Tsunade could alleviate her fears by explaining how she, even though she never had any romantic feelings for him, was in denial about having severed the team mate bond with Orochimaru. Tsunade wrestled a week with deciding to kill Orochimaru, and when Sasuke killed Orochimaru neither she nor Jiraiya celebrated, they both mourned his death and felt sad how he went down a path that ultimately ruined his life- turning him into this twisted, evil thing (even Tsunade was still mourning about Orochimaru when she and Jiraiya had their last conversation) . And look how many year Tsunade and Jiraiya had to distance themselves emotionally from Orochomaru (Sakura and Naruto have had no such luxury, plus Sakura had her crush on top of that, and Naruto his brother-like bond to Sasuke) . Orochimaru in his sick, twisted way still cared about Tsunade, still felt the team mate bond with her. It colors his actions toward her, and toward Konoha and those he knows she has close bonds to once she becomes Hokage. He even saves Naruto and Sakura from Sasuke (and Sasuke sneers at his excuse, he knows it's more than what Orochimaru is saying.)

Edited by ciardha, 06 June 2011 - 03:12 PM.

[Manara]

No. He thought she was "lying to herself" (In plainer words- he thought she was in denial) thinking she had extinguished every bit of any feeling for Sasuke, even the team mate bond and memories of her feelings. No, he did not think she was "playing games with him" but deluding herself about being completely over Sasuke. Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura are all separate characters. and their emotions about one character is separate from their emotions about another character. No, he did not accuse her of playing games with his feelings, he accepted she had fallen in love with him. Naruto was mad at her because she had mentally convinced herself she was done with Sasuke, that he meant nothing to her anymore, but he believedl she still had feelings for him, plus she had just made a big crack that rigid wall he had chosen (totally unknown to Sakura. In fact, she was horrified and devastated when Sai told her what Naruto had done to homself because she was already so deeply in love with Naruto.) to build around his feelings for her and his image of her as the 12 year old unattainable Sasuke fangirl.

Ciardha, I envy your optimism about NaruSaku. And while his arguments are always very good and consistent, and convince me. I can not help to feel slightly suspicious of the intentions of Kishimoto, after chapter 541...

I firmly believe in a final NaruSaku, but I think we will still swallow some frogs before.

We badly need people like you, who can analyze things with thoroughly grounded in the plot and also as the experience with sleeves and Japanese culture. And does not totter ever;)

By the way, did you see the proposal by Brazilian Fandom: NaruSaku in TTs? In this topic: http://www.narusaku....showtopic=11154 ?

We would love to have your support!

We would love to have support for everyone, of course! So people, given to us your opinion, please!

[merryGOflava]

He did say she was lying to herself but he's also told her multiple times in that scene to 'stop joking' and that 'the joke isn't funny'. That's why I assumed it.

Sorry, but on the second part I have to disagree with you. Usually we're on the same page and you even open my eyes to something I never would've noticed, but I don't think that Sakura believes Naruto to be in love with Sasuke. I don't know what she thinks of the bond between them but I never got the impression anything was troubling her about it. Again, I really respect your opinions but I never could see that.

have to agree. naruto IN LOVE with sasuke...noway not even in sakura's mind. she said so herself that he thinks of sasuke as a brother.