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#3841 Radra

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:00 PM

Still don't get why Naruto looked like Obito at the end. Either Kishimoto was making a sick joke or he just doesn't give a kitten anymore.

He said the short hair makes him look more mature. 

 

I have no issue with the short hair personally. Everybody expected older Naruto to be a Minato clone with whiskers and I felt that will be too boring and predictable. 

 

I especially like Ladygt's "the last" fanart. The one where she drew NaruSaku and Shikatema.

 

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Just to be clear, I am no fan of Obito. I personally did not like the Tobi = Obio theory so I was kinda disappointed when it was confirmed. Anyhow, I don't think Kishimoto was aiming for Naruto to look like Obito. It could just be a case like how Yahiko had Naruto/Minato's hairstyle. I remember back then that people used to have a theory on Minato being the Akatsuki leader lol


Edited by Radra, 30 April 2015 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:03 PM

Yeah, even though I want it either longer hair or the same but tiny bit long, I don't want it to be Minato 2.0. It's just Naruto don't scream short so it's like "What the hell?" Plus, that short isn't doing it for me, including the Last. Just not working.

To each of their own I suppose.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:07 PM

Well Naruto has a tendancy to like murderous individuals because they saw the light at the end. Zabuza was a bloodthirsty killer who weaponised the boy who thought of him as a father, Gaara killed  everyone who crossed his path (but I guess we can understand the bond those two shared.) Sasuke who wanted to destroy the world, Pain who destroyed his village and Obito, responsible for his parents death and 50,000 deaths during the war. Even Itachi killed his clan and Naruto thought he was cool.

 

For you to stay relevent for Naruto you have to be responsible for atleast one persons death. Maybe that's why Kushina's advice never stuck for him she didn't get anyone killed with her actions. Same with Sakura. Hinata atleast was responsible for Nejis death.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:09 PM

Yeah, even though I want it either longer hair or the same but tiny bit long, I don't want it to be Minato 2.0. It's just Naruto don't scream short so it's like "What the hell?" Plus, that short isn't doing it for me, including the Last. Just not working.

To each of their own I suppose.

Naruto's part 2 hairstyle was ok...... I saw no reason to change it.

 

Seems like the haircut took half of Naruto's personality with it  :down:  :down:


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:12 PM

Naruto's part 2 hairstyle was ok...... I saw no reason to change it.
 
Seems like the haircut took half of Naruto's personality with it  :down:  :down:

It was but his hair going long and long and then the Last was like ass backwards.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:15 PM

 

I wonder if the push to wrap Naruto's story around Obito's backstory and redemption was a desperate attempt to recapture the spark and cohesiveness of the story at the end of the Pain arc.

 

There are lots of parallels. Part of the Pain arc involved revealing a big anti-hero that fans gravitated to, with Yahiko and Nagato. There was a big awesome battle, and it came at the culmination all the Akatsuki build-up. Then there was Pain's backstory, or rather the story of the three, with the redemption of Nagato and him using his powers for a good purpose in the end.

 

All of this is the same as Obito. Even the multiple names/personas of Pain/Yahiko/Nagat is repeated with Obito/Tobi/Madara. 

 

The difference is the whole Pain arc peaked and was resolved naturally. It wasn't forced. There was nothing contradictory in the story before, and the unveiling of the final twist (their identity) didn't involve any retconning. (Yes, the reset button with Nagato wasn't great, but people accepted it as a blind gift. Nothing they needed to pay an homage to.)

 

The difference is in Naruto and the reactions around them. Naruto was angry at Pain and said so. He never really let go of that, just accepted that people change, and accepted Nagato's token of redmeption which was to return life to everyone he could.

 

However with Obito, Naruto and even Kakashi go overboard to make Obito's life be the reason they have done everything, and that his years as a vicious, merciless, self-serving criminal were just a hiccup in his "cool guy" lifestyle. With Pain, there was some avenging purpose in the original formation of Akatuski. With Obito, it was only about revenge, never once reaching out for the truth that was right in front of him all along, instead making everyone else pay for his mistaken beliefs with their lives.

 

Kakashi's move to become Hokage (something he would never do) and the chopping off of Naruto's wild hair (something that was so much a part of his look, like Harry Potter's glasses) are both an homage to Obito. Kishimoto's still trying to justify Obito's role in the story by tying him to the two future leaders.

 

But Obito is awful. Just awful. His story was just Kishimoto's weak attempt to recapture some of the creative weight of the beginning of the story. And it's going too far to make him be the most impacting person at the end, instead of alllll the other people who truly made a difference in Naruto's life, who really did care and who were protecting the Leaf and who didn't have a hand in most of the murders of the last 15 years.

 

If anything, Naruto should have had Minato's hair. Or Jiraiya's. Or even Tsunade's!! lol! But never Obito's. 

 

The confrontation between Naruto and Pein was great because Naruto actually showed anger! He did that so rarely and that exchange felt so real. But why did Kishi have to try so hard to absolve Obito of his wrongdoings? More Uchiha bias?

 

As for the "coolest guy" stuff; it blows my mind that Naruto can show such anger for Pein killing Jiraiya, yet goes out of his way to excuse Obito killing his parents.

 

 

Yeah, this I don't get. So the VAs are saying that they knew the manga was going to end this way when they were hired? Riigghhttt. And they were hired by the company that was pushing NH and SS from the beginning...so, yeah.

 

I know someone posted the gigantic frame-by-frame image of all the NS interactions, but even outside of the manga, Hinata has been nonexistant. Think about how much time Kishimoto put into her sketches and her databook info compared to Hinata. Think about how many movies Sakura has been in compared to Hinata (like every single one to Hinata's two or three). Think about the advertising that has only shown Team 7 or even just Naruto and Sakura. And if Hinata is shown, it's with the rest of the team.

 

The whole thing has been about Sakura, Team 7 or Naruto/Sakura. Hinata only came into her own when they saw they could make money off of her. And that will never change, no matter how many movies or spin-offs they come up with. 

 

If Kishi actually planned NH from the start, he is a worse writer than we thought. I've said it before, but I was more of a NH shipper during Part 1. There ARE some moments there that Kishi really could have expanded on to logically and progressively build up the relationship. It wouldn't even require making Hinata more of a main character. Several side characters had moments to shine, the Uchiha backstory was told in full. It'd be easy to subtract a bit and give Hinata a few focal chapters to show HER growth as well as a budding relationship with Naruto.

But we got none of that; and the pairing appeared out of nowhere at the end. Don't buy into Kishi and SP's BS.



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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:40 PM

Yeah, this I don't get. So the VAs are saying that they knew the manga was going to end this way when they were hired? Riigghhttt. And they were hired by the company that was pushing NH and SS from the beginning...so, yeah.
 
I know someone posted the gigantic frame-by-frame image of all the NS interactions, but even outside of the manga, Hinata has been nonexistant. Think about how much time Kishimoto put into her sketches and her databook info compared to Hinata. Think about how many movies Sakura has been in compared to Hinata (like every single one to Hinata's two or three). Think about the advertising that has only shown Team 7 or even just Naruto and Sakura. And if Hinata is shown, it's with the rest of the team.
 
The whole thing has been about Sakura, Team 7 or Naruto/Sakura. Hinata only came into her own when they saw they could make money off of her. And that will never change, no matter how many movies or spin-offs they come up with.

Hinata must the most overblown character in manga history as of today since she rise from little to main heroine in the spin off and the last movie. She didn't even deserve it. NH was end game? Dude I bet most of them couldn't keep a straight face if they said it in front of us. More BS to explain how it happened but we know that is stupid writing and makes the writer a sellout and shows how he actually sucks at writing.

Edited by griff142, 30 April 2015 - 04:41 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:45 PM

Yeah, this I don't get. So the VAs are saying that they knew the manga was going to end this way when they were hired? Riigghhttt. And they were hired by the company that was pushing NH and SS from the beginning...so, yeah.
 
I know someone posted the gigantic frame-by-frame image of all the NS interactions, but even outside of the manga, Hinata has been nonexistant. Think about how much time Kishimoto put into her sketches and her databook info compared to Hinata. Think about how many movies Sakura has been in compared to Hinata (like every single one to Hinata's two or three). Think about the advertising that has only shown Team 7 or even just Naruto and Sakura. And if Hinata is shown, it's with the rest of the team.
 
The whole thing has been about Sakura, Team 7 or Naruto/Sakura. Hinata only came into her own when they saw they could make money off of her. And that will never change, no matter how many movies or spin-offs they come up with.


Come into her own? Other than parts of the movie when has she ever done anything? It's sad that mostly just being around has been sufficient.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 05:10 PM

Come into her own? Other than parts of the movie when has she ever done anything? It's sad that mostly just being around has been sufficient.

 

Yeah. No other side character in a series has had that kind of luck...



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Posted 30 April 2015 - 05:24 PM

I know someone posted the gigantic frame-by-frame image of all the NS interactions, but even outside of the manga, Hinata has been nonexistant. Think about how much time Kishimoto put into her sketches and her databook info compared to Hinata. Think about how many movies Sakura has been in compared to Hinata (like every single one to Hinata's two or three). Think about the advertising that has only shown Team 7 or even just Naruto and Sakura. And if Hinata is shown, it's with the rest of the team.

 

 

Couldn't agree more!

 

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:15 PM

 

lol...So now they are trying to BS us into believing that SS and NH was end game even before the anime started? Kishi, SP and SJ's have been lieing so much in their interviews that they can no longer even keep track of their lies anymore. So NH and SS fans should be real happy knowing that Kishi had know for 13 years  who the end game was but decided to concentrate on NaruSaku's relationship instead....The BS is so strong I can smell it all the way here in England.

 

Also Hinata and Naruto now go to Sakura to complain about their spouse? Talk about heartless pieces of kitten. The woman has not seen her partner for 12 years and has to raise her child alone, and these kitteners go to her to complain about their troubles? Talk about bad friends.

 

Whoever is pulling the shots on SP is seriously high on meth that they are doing more "damage" than "control". Now you understand the pretty much lost their domestic audience and now only the west and worldwide only reads this serious, which 100% of them are pirating it  :th_yeah:


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:43 PM

PS: Spoiler from Gaiden chapter 2! Naruto changes his appereance to look more like his idol !!
Naruto's Gaiden chapter 2

You know, normally I'm able to look past photoshop and see the original, but in this image, I just can't see Naruto. Even if I envision the original panel, it just doesn't look right. Naruto was seriously never meant for short hair, just like how this ending was never meant to happen.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:57 PM

 

Naruto's Gaiden chapter 2

it's scary how much he looks like him.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:00 PM

You know, normally I'm able to look past photoshop and see the original, but in this image, I just can't see Naruto. Even if I envision the original panel, it just doesn't look right. Naruto was seriously never meant for short hair, just like how this ending was never meant to happen.

Kishi probably made him ugly on purpose so that we could distinguish this Naruto, and the original one. There you go NH, you can have this one! :lmao:


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:14 PM

it's scary how much he looks like him.

More like scary that your most hated character is alive within him.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:28 PM

More like scary that your most hated character is alive within him.


Stop saying such things. Me and Luffy just ordered our Obito goggles on Amazon for when we go to Japan.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:35 PM

Stop saying such things. Me and Luffy just ordered our Obito goggles on Amazon for when we go to Japan.

Sweet can I get some? Honestly he wasn't so bad. Blame Kishi for it

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:39 PM

Sweet can I get some? Honestly he wasn't so bad. Blame Kishi for it

He's joking.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:41 PM

 
I wonder if the push to wrap Naruto's story around Obito's backstory and redemption was a desperate attempt to recapture the spark and cohesiveness of the story at the end of the Pain arc.
 
There are lots of parallels. Part of the Pain arc involved revealing a big anti-hero that fans gravitated to, with Yahiko and Nagato. There was a big awesome battle, and it came at the culmination all the Akatsuki build-up. Then there was Pain's backstory, or rather the story of the three, with the redemption of Nagato and him using his powers for a good purpose in the end.
 
All of this is the same as Obito. Even the multiple names/personas of Pain/Yahiko/Nagat is repeated with Obito/Tobi/Madara. 
 
The difference is the whole Pain arc peaked and was resolved naturally. It wasn't forced. There was nothing contradictory in the story before, and the unveiling of the final twist (their identity) didn't involve any retconning. (Yes, the reset button with Nagato wasn't great, but people accepted it as a blind gift. Nothing they needed to pay an homage to.)
 
The difference is in Naruto and the reactions around them. Naruto was angry at Pain and said so. He never really let go of that, just accepted that people change, and accepted Nagato's token of redmeption which was to return life to everyone he could.
 
However with Obito, Naruto and even Kakashi go overboard to make Obito's life be the reason they have done everything, and that his years as a vicious, merciless, self-serving criminal were just a hiccup in his "cool guy" lifestyle. With Pain, there was some avenging purpose in the original formation of Akatuski. With Obito, it was only about revenge, never once reaching out for the truth that was right in front of him all along, instead making everyone else pay for his mistaken beliefs with their lives.
 
Kakashi's move to become Hokage (something he would never do) and the chopping off of Naruto's wild hair (something that was so much a part of his look, like Harry Potter's glasses) are both an homage to Obito. Kishimoto's still trying to justify Obito's role in the story by tying him to the two future leaders.
 
But Obito is awful. Just awful. His story was just Kishimoto's weak attempt to recapture some of the creative weight of the beginning of the story. And it's going too far to make him be the most impacting person at the end, instead of alllll the other people who truly made a difference in Naruto's life, who really did care and who were protecting the Leaf and who didn't have a hand in most of the murders of the last 15 years.
 
If anything, Naruto should have had Minato's hair. Or Jiraiya's. Or even Tsunade's!! lol! But never Obito's. 

Obito is uchiha naruto.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 07:43 PM

*sarcasm mode off*
Naruto gone wrong is/was Gaara and maybe Sasuke to a lesser extent, Obito reason was still quite weak and underdeveloped in the end

Garra, nagato, and obito are what could happen to naruto if certain circumstance happen. Basically all of them are naruto tnj victim.




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