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[TouKen4Life3g]

I have a feeling that 633 is the set up for nh become canon

OR

Setting for chapter 450........

Thinking too much. That or I don't know where you get that idea.

Am I the only one that thinks Naruto already rejected Hinata's confession offscreen?
I mean, he found out about Konohamaru learning the rasengan and yet he didn't have time to talk with Hinata?
We also see a panel where Naruto remembers her figh with Pain, plus not to mention that she states that after the war she will stop chasing after him.

I honestly think she wants to be there for Naruto as a comrade/friend, like Shimamaru or anyone else but not in a romantic sense. That's what I feel.

This. Well can't say about off-screen but her words are platonic and she's not really asking for love return, just acknowledgment. Otherwise, she would have show it much more than now. Not like trying to kiss or anything but show that the confession already happened. I think we should move on to the new chapter. Let NH go, at least that's what I did.

[Canadian_DJ]

The translation is something like this, I tried to make it as smooth as possible ^^Sakura: Naruto... I only come crying to you...I only rely on you and cling to (edit: depend on) you...I couldn't do anything.....
 
Now that I have time and have good raw scans:
 631, Naruto's line
 
「まあ、そんな感じだって。。。」- "Well, something like that..."it is clear to me that he is not saying "dattebayo" he is saying "datte", meaning that she/it is said.
you can be the judge.
 633 Hinata's line
 
 
「私は。。。ナルトくんの横にずっといたいんだもの！」
 
This is translated as :
 
I...want to be by Naruto-kun's side the whole time! 
I...want to have been by Naruto-kun's side the whole time!
 
ずっと (zutto) - which I have translated as "the whole time", is like "all the way", referencing a long time or distance. It will still mean the same thing any way.
Either translation, she is clearly stating her desire/want. She is not talking something she has done or does.
 
I hope this clears up things.

Very interesting indeed! So it seems naruto and sakura will definitely bring up the confession and clear things up! Naruto was gonna continue the sentence by saying something like sakura said so, cuz she confessed to him, then we have sakura forehead smack him snd tell him to save his energy

I really am lost with hinatas line, what does it have romantic undertones or is it like she wants to be by his side as a comrade? So is it I want to be by his side the whole time or I want to have been by his side? Cuz theres a difference (hoping for the latter)


Also this is funny! http://uzuharu.tumbl...ost/55107188088 naruto should really stop calling SASUKEH's name

Anta is informal, either used when familiar or showing contempt. Anata is formal and is commonly used by women to address their husband or lover.

......why am I not surprised......

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 14 July 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[arian_rad]

seeing that page raw made me to notice that at time Sakura referrs to Naruto by using アナタ (Anata) instead of アンタ (Anta), currently used by Sakura with Naruto....
@Megi, did you know that Sakura used to say アナタ with Naruto? It's been a while since I read jp volumes of the first part...

On what page and when does sakura use that word with naruto? :o

[Inferno180]

@Inferno:  I wouldn’t say that the moment has been left behind, since it was brought back up in 633 and even built upon a little bit (by adding in Naruto’s hand squeeze).  However, in terms of development, I agree that whatever more forceful side appeared out of Hinata then and in 629 pretty much vanished, and she went back to being unconfident in herself.

 

As far as where Kishimoto is intending to take her character, that’s hard to say at this point.  It doesn’t seem as though her character has changed much at all, despite several moments that really should have changed her (at least, in a lasting manner).

 

In regards to her role in battle, I don’t see her having any more of an individualized role to play anymore, unless Kishimoto wants to have Hinata be a meat-shield for Naruto a third time (which is just really lazy story writing).  I think its most likely that she will just work with the alliance just as she did in 633 and that the extent of her focus (in terms of battle) will be similar to what we saw in 639.

 

I’m not sure what you mean when you say that 632 is connected to 631.  Could you clarify?

 

I agree that 631 presented a lot of problems for NH arguments, but it’s one that they hope to get around by insisting that it was a joke Naruto didn’t mean at all (never mind how out of character it is for Naruto to joke about something like that, much less if he had romantic feelings for Hinata, and no feelings for Sakura).

 

I think that NH fans at this point are waiting for Hinata to play a huge role again, and for Naruto to say that he loves Hinata.  Basically, they can’t even consider the possibility of Hinata being rejected by Naruto and “failing” to achieve her words (that she’s going to be by Naruto’s side forever) because she shares the same nindo as Naruto and has never gone back on her words yet to date supposedly.

I myself have a hard time seeing what more can occur to make Naruto fall out of love with Sakura and in love with Hinata at this point.  Hinata has directly confessed to Naruto and has been willing to die for him more than once.  Naruto has not shown anything beyond friendship for Hinata despite all of this.  Naruto has not shown any signs of changing his feelings for Sakura, despite him knowing that she’s in love with Sasuke and despite her lying to him at the summit.

 

This is in contrast to NaruSaku, where Naruto has yet to give a direct confession to Sakura, letting her know how he feels about her and why.  Sakura has definitely shown signs of having feelings beyond friendship for Naruto, and she has definitely shown signs that her view of Sasuke may be changing for the worse ever since the summit.  Sakura has actually been hinted at having subconscious romantic feelings for Naruto that she simply hasn’t realized yet – unlike Naruto in regards to Hinata – so with NaruSaku, it’s not that Naruto has to do anything more to make her fall in love with him, it’s that Sakura needs to have a realization regarding her own feelings.

 

@ sushi:  I think both Hinata and Sakura were chosen for plot purposes – Hinata, because of her connection with Neji and how she tied in with Naruto and Neji’s story, and also to give her character development (which sadly seemed to have vanished in 633).

 

The biggest difference between the two speeches to me is that while Hinata was communicating Neji, and the alliance’s, desires and intent to Naruto, Sakura communicated Naruto’s desires and intents to the alliance.  Which is why the latter speech had to be Sakura – no one else knew Naruto well enough to literally speak for him.

 

Hinata didn’t prevent Naruto from becoming an Obito 2.0 – Naruto wasn’t close enough to Neji, and his reaction to Neji’s death was nothing as extreme as Obito’s reaction to Rin’s death.  Hinata may have pulled Naruto from his despair, but if anyone prevented Naruto from going down the psychotic path similar to Obito’s, then it was Iruka and Team 7 since they saved him from the hell of loneliness that made him despite the village initially.

 

One day, I'll write my full thoughts on these pairings. Man, tumblr sure seems fun right about now.

 

Looking forward to it!

To the FC in general:  Would someone mind translating for me Sakura's thoughts on this page?  I just wanted to know if the translations I've seen are accurate since I was told it wasn't.  I would really appreciate it!

 

Yes most of this is true, but what I mean is, because kishi didn't extend 615 as much as he could only doing it a bit more on Hinata's side again and not on Narutos, and with other elements like obviously 631, this makes it harder for NH to contend with story design rather then just its own development. What I meant by 632 was when we saw Sakura's fallback on her own past and how she revealed  her power due to all her efforts, a role like that showcasing the importance of what she went through. I would have expected Hinata to do that in 633 but it was a repeat of stuff we have always seen her do, think of naruto for confidence. Again if Hinata's importance becomes a body shield a 3rd time, it would be clear Kishi only made her a damage sponge, she got hurt the first time, neji died the second time, so what would happen a 3rd time? Would kinda be lackluster. One of the biggest things I need to see, focus on why NH is so important to the story when it has been mostly just Hinata the whole time with Naruto hardly returning anything, heck until there are these big scenes that actually have a lingering effect as much as the promise did, then perhaps it would have more rooted within the story. Kishi essentially showed the audience a valid reason for NS, 457, his own struggle for Sakura is more complex then simple crushing as we thought because of the promise. Even for 469 being the supposed "end" of NS by many fans, its kinda ironic how shortly after Kushina is introduced and then puts in the find a girl like you speech, and then we get 631 both building on this and Naruto practically saying he still loves her. Basically while the stuff for Nh can be expanded, for now there is too little to explain about it and far too much more questioning just exactly how does it plan to come around with these recent events, mainly becaue 615 was not treated as importantly as it should if 615 was NH starting to be canon and then we get 631 which just gives and foreshadows part of the ending away to another pairing?

[六道仙人]

in the page linked from Paptala in the previous page... In that occasion she said "anata". It seems a bit odd since the current Sakura uses "anta" when she's addressing to Naruto

 

アナタ (anata) = It's formal. It's indicated for all kinda situations. You can be polite by using this word. You can use properly it if you don't know the name of your interlocutor, otherwise better to use his name because it can sounds rude to them.. It's also used by wifes to their respective husbands.

アンタ (anta) = It's informal. Never use with authorities or unkown people, it's very insolent. It can be used in contempt actions. You can use it ONLY when your interlocutor is very very very close to you.

[megi]

yeah well the translation "I trust you completely" was probably trying to generalize what Sakura was saying. It's not a terrible terrible translation, but a lot of detail is lost.

 

As for Hinata's line, I think it can be interpreted as both! Honestly, I think it's a little bit of both of those interpretations. I also understand both arguments on whether Hinata's love for Naruto is platonic or not, or that her love is just for his nindo. There may be some cultural barrier to the west, but I do believe Hinata loves Naruto more than platonic due to the language. As for this particular line itself, it can be either way.

 

I have a feeling that 633 is the set up for nh become canon

OR

Setting for chapter 450........

 

I...do not know what this means. I mean I totally do not understand your connections.

 

@六道, oh yeah I've totally seen that! I'm not sure when she had started to use アンタ besides アナタ, but I think it was more recently. I don't remember exactly when but I've definitely seen アンタ in the recent chapters. I wonder when she made the switch...have any idea?

 

Also to add onto it, although this does not usually apply to manga/other media "anata" and "anta" can also be used by women to men, usually can be shown as a relationship further than friendship, or wanting one. That is, in real life, not always in manga, which is usually shown as just informality or familiarity.

[六道仙人]

eh we should to check each jp volume lol

[Canadian_DJ]

Guys, did H&E change how you change your sig? cuz my sig is destroyed   and there's absolutely no way i can change my sig, its not working!! 

 

@megi

 

So what your saying is hinatas love for naruto is the real deal and she wants to be in a relationship with him, thats what her speech in 633 meant, is that it?

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 14 July 2013 - 03:22 PM.

[sushi.]

Guys, did H&E change how you change your sig? cuz my sig is destroyed   and there's absolutely no way i can change my sig, its not working!! 

 

@megi

 

So what your saying is hinatas love for naruto is the real deal and she wants to be in a relationship with him, thats what her speech in 633 meant, is that it?

Maybe, but she can only say stuff like that after the war(she should concentrate on the task at hand), and if Naruto accepts her confession. He has not.

 

She can't force him. And since I don't think she is such a bad person, I think she meant that she wants to be with him as a comrade.

 

Remember, Shikamaru has said the same thing.

Edited by sushi., 14 July 2013 - 03:36 PM.

[Psychox]

This ''Anata'' stuff is prerrt intriguing ideed.

 

Now, does Hinata really love Naruto is a bit diffucult to say i think , cuz she only see his nindo as an incredible thing, however she does not know what made his nindo what it is today. Nah , dont think so.

 

She admires him that is well known, but either than that  ,  not much to can be debated about loving him. Since you guys guys passed judgement on 615 and 633 is very easy to say - it is platonic.

 

 

As Sushi poited out , everyone wants to walk by his side, cuz apperantly he has something special. :)

Edited by Psychox, 14 July 2013 - 03:58 PM.

[Tsubaki]

@六道仙人 and @megi

 

Someone from tumblr made a compilation of the raws of all the NS moments till  ch #573

 

HERE: https://picasaweb.go...798092442778629

[megi]

I think Sakura uses "anta" during her confession to Naruto. But honestly I wouldn't dwell on it much, it's more than likely for familiarity purpose.

And no, i am not saying that her thoughts were romantic. i just understand that it can be taken as such. To me, her 633 line goes more along the line of being his comrade, because it is more in character for her, I can accept if it is a little romantic. Hinata's confession was definitely romantic though, even when she was not looking for reciprocation.

Thanks a lot Tsubaki! I will look through it later.

Edited by megi, 14 July 2013 - 04:35 PM.

[Tsubaki]

That comment that Hinata made in ch#533 bothers me. Don't get me wrong, I do think NS has the greatest chance of becoming canon at the time, all development + parallels and themes they fit, it's just so much to be ignored. But still I can't be totally confident when Kishimoto keeps bringing Hinata's romantic feelings  for Naruto over and over again. I understand that this may be to create more tension, but it always makes me a little insecure because I really don't know where Kishi is going with all this.

[PhenixElite]

That comment that Hinata made in ch#533 bothers me. Don't get me wrong, I do think NS has the greatest chance of becoming canon at the time, all development + parallels and themes they fit, it's just so much to be ignored. But still I can't be totally confident when Kishimoto keeps bringing Hinata's romantic feelings  for Naruto over and over again. I understand that this may be to create more tension, but it always makes me a little insecure because I really don't know where Kishi is going with all this.

Who cares how many hinata moments he throws in. Theres simply no way how he can brush off the Sakura/ Kushina parallel. If naruto picks hinata in the end, what was the use of kushinas last words and minatos comparison? Simply no way around there so yeah all i can say is canon.

[sushi.]

Who cares how many hinata moments he throws in. Theres simply no way how he can brush off the Sakura/ Kushina parallel. If naruto picks hinata in the end, what was the use of kushinas last words and minatos comparison? Simply no way around there so yeah all i can say is canon.

It's not about NH becoming canon. Some NS fans care about Hinata's character. I sure did, I just don't want Kishi to ruin her character any more.

 

Since 615 came out, I thought she had developed into a strong woman, because she was able to speak for herself confidentily.

 

Since 633, I've been thinking that Hinata does not possess confidence on her own. Naruto will always be her crutch. She was doubting herself yet again, thinking she was weak. She should be over this stage by now. Then she gets Naruto in her head and gets a sudden power-up. It's..it's just horrible. How she can not be strong without leeching of Naruto. I won't dare to bet on her anymore, because everytime she does something impressive, she disappoints me two pages later.

 

I don't know what kind of development Hinata's fanbase are talking about, but I really want to know. Is there something I've missed? What do people see in her now?She takes one step forward and two steps back. It makes her my least favourite character.

Edited by sushi., 14 July 2013 - 04:51 PM.

[megi]

It's not about NH becoming canon. Some NS fans care about Hinata's character. I sure did, I just don't want Kishi to ruin her character any more.
 
Since 615 came out, I thought she had developed into a strong woman, because she was able to speak for herself confidentily.
 
Since 633, I've been thinking that Hinata does not possess confidence on her own. Naruto will always be her crutch. She was doubting herself yet again, thinking she was weak. She should be over this stage by now. Then she gets Naruto in her head and gets a sudden power-up. It's..it's just horrible. How she can not be strong without leeching of Naruto.
 
I don't know what kind of development Hinata's fanbase are talking about, because she takes one step forward and two steps back. It makes her my least favourite character.

I have the same view about Naruto being Hinata's crutch. I want her to have better development. It disappointed me when most of her thought still linger on him. I really want to know what will become of her status in her clan? Will she be able to lead? I don't see her taking any leadership roles. The story of the Hyuuga clan is in Neji and Hiashi, but Hinata thinks mostly of Naruto during her screen time.

[sushi.]

I have the same view about Naruto being Hinata's crutch. I want her to have better development. It disappointed me when most of her thought still linger on him. I really want to know what will become of her status in her clan? Will she be able to lead? I don't see her taking any leadership roles. The story of the Hyuuga clan is in Neji and Hiashi, but Hinata thinks mostly of Naruto during her screen time.

Finally someone who feels the same.

 

Because I feel like you can't really talk about Hinata on this site without getting a reply like "Who cares about Hinata?", or "Don't worry, NH won't be canon.."

 

My interest in the Hyuuga faded when Neji died, but it's still an important clan to Konoha. It would be great to see Hinata finally standing on her own feet, but it looks like she has no intention of moving on. I won't expect anything, just in case.

 

On the other hand, it looks like Hiashi has accepted Hinata more now. He was impressed when she attacked the Juubi, and I also think Ko said something like "Hiashi would kill me if I let something happen to Hinata".

[arian_rad]

That comment that Hinata made in ch#533 bothers me. Don't get me wrong, I do think NS has the greatest chance of becoming canon at the time, all development + parallels and themes they fit, it's just so much to be ignored. But still I can't be totally confident when Kishimoto keeps bringing Hinata's romantic feelings  for Naruto over and over again. I understand that this may be to create more tension, but it always makes me a little insecure because I really don't know where Kishi is going with all this.

Hinata has not been known to make any other comments otherwise. It seems that no matter what she does and wants to do, she is not going to change the fact that naruto loves sakura. Her interest in Naruto has never changed anything plot wise or something to build upon for more than just one scene. I just hoped that she would honestly show some backbone after 615. I thought that was the true development and acknowledgment she needs from Naruto. Maybe it still is. After reading 633 however it sort of brought me to have the lowest thoughts on her character. Yet again she used naruto as a crutch to move past her own doubts instead of fighting for herself or even the entire shinobi alliance for once. Again, everything comes from her side and absolutely no reciprocation has been shown on Naruto's part romantically. Again, her goals whether they are romantic or not does not effect the plot line and therefore should not be thought of so strongly.

[TouKen4Life3g]

My take on 633:

It's not about love, it's about being strong as her idol, Naruto. I get it that she loves him, that's acknowledged, no arguing. However, 633 is the prior result to 615 because while she got acknowledged as equal to Naruto, she didn't say like an aftermath result until 633. Like what came out of that? Where's proof that the desire she got improved her? 633 is the answer.

Let me remind you, 633 is about everybody going one step further rather than letting only main characters do all the work, granted that the game can finally update but I digress. Anyway, if you noticed, all of them have demonstrated that they too are improving. Starting with Kiba, he didn't want to be behind and felt like he shouldn't be brushed off. I mean at least he does one shadow clone. Shino is ignored but he is proving that he too can be helpful because of his variations of bug stuff like what he did there. Now Hinata, it's time for her to prove her fighting skills by doing the one that she couldn't it in the first, hence "figures I could do it this far..." part. But because of Naruto "seal of approval", she pushes further and ta-da, she did it.

Now her quote, it's not about being with him physically or future in terms of "committed relationship", rather about being equal with him. This is the result from 615. Naruto will always go one step ahead of everyone. That said she has to keep pushing harder to stay in line with him, which connects well with the nindo, "Never give up." Look, I know she loves him, but until she is direct, not everything is seen as love and sometimes, that could be our fault to hate her in perhaps though likely misjudged way. I'm not saying she's a great character. I'm just saying that her character is based on idol worship and hoping that she too can improve, hence why she is not that strong. In fact, it was fitting for her to do 64 palms because Neji, who was once called a genius, did it. If Hinata can do that, she is in fact improving. That's what Kishi pretty much saying and I give credit when it's due.

That all said I can understand that her part shouldn't focus on Naruto anymore, so my guess is that it will happen once this war is done such as talking to her dad about Neji, the future, and pretty much finalized. If not, then what we saw is finalized. If epilogue happens, it does not count to my if theories. That's why I saw NH ended already. Man I should write that critic book myself. Lol.

[bthug]

Just to jog my memory, Yamato told Naruto that he hurt sakura in the 4 tails mode on the heaven and earth bridge right? Did Naruto do anything after or did he just agree to let her rest?

 

Also when do you think the next NS moment might be, looks like a good amount of the upcoming chapters will be strictly war.