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[Aizen-Sama]

 
It pretty much failed in japan though and in the west people use piracy on everything

Lol I hope it flops even more. Fanservice piece of kitten.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

It's odd how much he likes NH now when he's always ignored Hinata. It's probably cuz NH gives him money.

 

More like he's losing money. When the first volume is issued, I bet its going to flop.

[Aizen-Sama]

 
More like he's losing money. When the first volume is issued, I bet its going to flop.

No one cares about Burrito & Salad. He's trying to make this next generation cash cow but is going to fail miserably. I bet he'd make another series of Burrito & Salad's kids, and their kids, and their grandkids and so on and so forth if he thought it'd get him more money. Then Sakura would finally die from old age & the fandom would celebrate.

Edited by Aizen-Sama, 30 April 2015 - 12:15 PM.

[Princess Iris]

It's odd how much he likes NH now when he's always ignored Hinata. It's probably cuz NH gives him money.

NH gives him money

In his country, SS was biggest fandom I guess

I wonder how SS fans reacted after 700+1 chapter

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

No one cares about Burrito & Salad. He's trying to make this next generation cash cow but is going to fail miserably. I bet he'd make another series of Burrito & Salad's kids, and their kids, and their grandkids and so on and so forth if he thought it'd get him more money. Then Sakura would finally die from old age & the fandom would celebrate.

 

All he will be doing is giving free money to his assistants and wasting money on materials because the expenses for the spinoffs will not cover them and its going to drain cash from his life savings. I  just wonder how long will SJ keep up with all this when the fans in there country are not there. The only ones who are reading are the fans that pirates and don't have any intentions of giving Kishi a penny.

[narusakurama]

Is it even correct to call this a spinoff since it ignores the original material ? I think   Boruto is more like try at a remake of Naruto for the new shounen generation rather than a spinoff . Like all the remakes Hollywood makes of older , famous movies.

 

Btw , is it confirmed that Orochimaru is the villain ?  If that is true , I predict that Karin will fill in Kabuto's role ,

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Like I said if Sasuke was a Corleone then he would have been kicked out of the Family.

[Shashank95]

Like I said if Sasuke was a Corleone then he would have been kicked out of the Family.

[harry4e]

 
Yes according to Japanese fans. The pre order cancellations for the Sakura Hidden Novel (sold out) was perhaps due April third being the day Naruto fell in love with Sakura  (the false Sakura hidden feelings yet to be spoken from the heart advertisement) and to this...
 

 

 

 

 
That was posted like nearly two weeks before the Sakura Hidden came out. And oh boy the Sakura fans, SNS and NS fans were pissed so I have been told. The Sakura Hidden only sold 46,000 + copies in its first week according to someone here that posted it somewhere on the Great Naruto thread. 

 

 

 

The interview I'm referring to takes place after the Sakura hidden came out. SP made the VA comment pro-SS 90% of the interviews while they used NS to put down NH. And trust me, this was the last straw for any Japanese fans and so I was told that they sold all their merchandise and manga because they want nothing to do with Naruto. Also, the tumblr user deleted the blog and pictures, so you'll have to go to the Great Naruto thread to search for the entire interview and the article screenshots under the April 5th time-stamp posts.

 

 

 

More.

 

 

 

lol...So now they are trying to BS us into believing that SS and NH was end game even before the anime started? Kishi, SP and SJ's have been lieing so much in their interviews that they can no longer even keep track of their lies anymore. So NH and SS fans should be real happy knowing that Kishi had know for 13 years  who the end game was but decided to concentrate on NaruSaku's relationship instead....The BS is so strong I can smell it all the way here in England.

 

Also Hinata and Naruto now go to Sakura to complain about their spouse? Talk about heartless pieces of kitten. The woman has not seen her partner for 12 years and has to raise her child alone, and these kitteners go to her to complain about their troubles? Talk about bad friends.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

At least Michael cared for his family. Sure he killed his brother but his brother betrayed him.

[tricksie]

Still don't get why Naruto looked like Obito at the end. Either Kishimoto was making a sick joke or he just doesn't give a sh*t anymore.

 

I wonder if the push to wrap Naruto's story around Obito's backstory and redemption was a desperate attempt to recapture the spark and cohesiveness of the story at the end of the Pain arc.

 

There are lots of parallels. Part of the Pain arc involved revealing a big anti-hero that fans gravitated to, with Yahiko and Nagato. There was a big awesome battle, and it came at the culmination all the Akatsuki build-up. Then there was Pain's backstory, or rather the story of the three, with the redemption of Nagato and him using his powers for a good purpose in the end.

 

All of this is the same as Obito. Even the multiple names/personas of Pain/Yahiko/Nagat is repeated with Obito/Tobi/Madara. 

 

The difference is the whole Pain arc peaked and was resolved naturally. It wasn't forced. There was nothing contradictory in the story before, and the unveiling of the final twist (their identity) didn't involve any retconning. (Yes, the reset button with Nagato wasn't great, but people accepted it as a blind gift. Nothing they needed to pay an homage to.)

 

The difference is in Naruto and the reactions around them. Naruto was angry at Pain and said so. He never really let go of that, just accepted that people change, and accepted Nagato's token of redmeption which was to return life to everyone he could.

 

However with Obito, Naruto and even Kakashi go overboard to make Obito's life be the reason they have done everything, and that his years as a vicious, merciless, self-serving criminal were just a hiccup in his "cool guy" lifestyle. With Pain, there was some avenging purpose in the original formation of Akatuski. With Obito, it was only about revenge, never once reaching out for the truth that was right in front of him all along, instead making everyone else pay for his mistaken beliefs with their lives.

 

Kakashi's move to become Hokage (something he would never do) and the chopping off of Naruto's wild hair (something that was so much a part of his look, like Harry Potter's glasses) are both an homage to Obito. Kishimoto's still trying to justify Obito's role in the story by tying him to the two future leaders.

 

But Obito is awful. Just awful. His story was just Kishimoto's weak attempt to recapture some of the creative weight of the beginning of the story. And it's going too far to make him be the most impacting person at the end, instead of alllll the other people who truly made a difference in Naruto's life, who really did care and who were protecting the Leaf and who didn't have a hand in most of the murders of the last 15 years.

 

If anything, Naruto should have had Minato's hair. Or Jiraiya's. Or even Tsunade's!! lol! But never Obito's. 

[Nar123]

 

I wonder if the push to wrap Naruto's story around Obito's backstory and redemption was a desperate attempt to recapture the spark and cohesiveness of the story at the end of the Pain arc.

 

There are lots of parallels. Part of the Pain arc involved revealing a big anti-hero that fans gravitated to, with Yahiko and Nagato. There was a big awesome battle, and it came at the culmination all the Akatsuki build-up. Then there was Pain's backstory, or rather the story of the three, with the redemption of Nagato and him using his powers for a good purpose in the end.

 

All of this is the same as Obito. Even the multiple names/personas of Pain/Yahiko/Nagat is repeated with Obito/Tobi/Madara. 

 

The difference is the whole Pain arc peaked and was resolved naturally. It wasn't forced. There was nothing contradictory in the story before, and the unveiling of the final twist (their identity) didn't involve any retconning. (Yes, the reset button with Nagato wasn't great, but people accepted it as a blind gift. Nothing they needed to pay an homage to.)

 

The difference is in Naruto and the reactions around them. Naruto was angry at Pain and said so. He never really let go of that, just accepted that people change, and accepted Nagato's token of redmeption which was to return life to everyone he could.

 

However with Obito, Naruto and even Kakashi go overboard to make Obito's life be the reason they have done everything, and that his years as a vicious, merciless, self-serving criminal were just a hiccup in his "cool guy" lifestyle. With Pain, there was some avenging purpose in the original formation of Akatuski. With Obito, it was only about revenge, never once reaching out for the truth that was right in front of him all along, instead making everyone else pay for his mistaken beliefs with their lives.

 

Kakashi's move to become Hokage (something he would never do) and the chopping off of Naruto's wild hair (something that was so much a part of his look, like Harry Potter's glasses) are both an homage to Obito. Kishimoto's still trying to justify Obito's role in the story by tying him to the two future leaders.

 

But Obito is awful. Just awful. His story was just Kishimoto's weak attempt to recapture some of the creative weight of the beginning of the story. And it's going too far to make him be the most impacting person at the end, instead of alllll the other people who truly made a difference in Naruto's life, who really did care and who were protecting the Leaf and who didn't have a hand in most of the murders of the last 15 years.

 

If anything, Naruto should have had Minato's hair. Or Jiraiya's. Or even Tsunade's!! lol! But never Obito's. 

 

I couldn't agree more Tricksie but...it felt to me you were diminishing the coolest guy greatness

I will let it pass for now but...

 

 

 

[griff142]

I wonder if the push to wrap Naruto's story around Obito's backstory and redemption was a desperate attempt to recapture the spark and cohesiveness of the story at the end of the Pain arc.
 
There are lots of parallels. Part of the Pain arc involved revealing a big anti-hero that fans gravitated to, with Yahiko and Nagato. There was a big awesome battle, and it came at the culmination all the Akatsuki build-up. Then there was Pain's backstory, or rather the story of the three, with the redemption of Nagato and him using his powers for a good purpose in the end.
 
All of this is the same as Obito. Even the multiple names/personas of Pain/Yahiko/Nagat is repeated with Obito/Tobi/Madara. 
 
The difference is the whole Pain arc peaked and was resolved naturally. It wasn't forced. There was nothing contradictory in the story before, and the unveiling of the final twist (their identity) didn't involve any retconning. (Yes, the reset button with Nagato wasn't great, but people accepted it as a blind gift. Nothing they needed to pay an homage to.)
 
The difference is in Naruto and the reactions around them. Naruto was angry at Pain and said so. He never really let go of that, just accepted that people change, and accepted Nagato's token of redmeption which was to return life to everyone he could.
 
However with Obito, Naruto and even Kakashi go overboard to make Obito's life be the reason they have done everything, and that his years as a vicious, merciless, self-serving criminal were just a hiccup in his "cool guy" lifestyle. With Pain, there was some avenging purpose in the original formation of Akatuski. With Obito, it was only about revenge, never once reaching out for the truth that was right in front of him all along, instead making everyone else pay for his mistaken beliefs with their lives.
 
Kakashi's move to become Hokage (something he would never do) and the chopping off of Naruto's wild hair (something that was so much a part of his look, like Harry Potter's glasses) are both an homage to Obito. Kishimoto's still trying to justify Obito's role in the story by tying him to the two future leaders.
 
But Obito is awful. Just awful. His story was just Kishimoto's weak attempt to recapture some of the creative weight of the beginning of the story. And it's going too far to make him be the most impacting person at the end, instead of alllll the other people who truly made a difference in Naruto's life, who really did care and who were protecting the Leaf and who didn't have a hand in most of the murders of the last 15 years.
 
If anything, Naruto should have had Minato's hair. Or Jiraiya's. Or even Tsunade's!! lol! But never Obito's.

I understand where you are coming from. I think the biggest mistake was throwing Obito's back story with the war arc since it prolonged a weak arc in the manga. Honestly I liked Obito and I might be in the majority. I was able to get pass the bullcrap behind it, it is enjoyable. He was the Naruto gone wrong and I liked that. Maybe if he didn't put it in the war arc and worked on it more in detail maybe it wouldn't have been so lacklustered.

[Nar123]

I understand where you are coming from. I think the biggest mistake was throwing Obito's back story with the war arc since it prolonged a weak arc in the manga. Honestly I liked Obito and I might be in the majority. I was able to get pass the bullcrap behind it, it is enjoyable. He was the Naruto gone wrong and I liked that. Maybe if he didn't put it in the war arc and worked on it more in detail maybe it wouldn't have been so lacklustered.

*sarcasm mode off*

Naruto gone wrong is/was Gaara and maybe Sasuke to a lesser extent, Obito reason was still quite weak and underdeveloped in the end

[griff142]

*sarcasm mode off*
Naruto gone wrong is/was Gaara and maybe Sasuke to a lesser extent, Obito reason was still quite weak and underdeveloped in the end

Yeah I can agree on that is why it needed more development. Maybe if it was done when Kishi was not a sspull img everything and crap then maybe Obito wouldn't have got so much backlash. I don't know but at least his character is better than Naruto's as of the moment. Also it made have been weak at the end of the day he was Obito unlike everybody else that for crapped on.

[AHK]

*sarcasm mode off*
Naruto gone wrong is/was Gaara and maybe Sasuke to a lesser extent, Obito reason was still quite weak and underdeveloped in the end

I have to disagree. Naruto is everything Obito was. They were both kitten up rejects with zero talent, no real powers as Obito couldn't even unlock his sharingan, their personalities and ideologies were exactly alike. Their circumstances were the same (in regards to no real family, Obito was ostracized by the Uchiha). Gaara and Sasuke didn't even come close.

[griff142]

I have to disagree. Naruto is everything Obito was. They were both kitten up rejects with zero talent, no real powers as Obito couldn't even unlock his sharingan, their personalities and ideologies were exactly alike. Their circumstances were the same (in regards to no real family, Obito was ostracized by the Uchiha). Gaara and Sasuke didn't even come close.

Exactly that is why Obito should have had more impact because he was mirror to Naruto is pretty much everyway. But the lack of development with the story and the execution of it and the other factors like putting it in the war arc made very lackluster which I can agree. In my opinion the story should have been before the war.

[tricksie]

 

lol...So now they are trying to BS us into believing that SS and NH was end game even before the anime started? Kishi, SP and SJ's have been lieing so much in their interviews that they can no longer even keep track of their lies anymore. So NH and SS fans should be real happy knowing that Kishi had know for 13 years  who the end game was but decided to concentrate on NaruSaku's relationship instead....The BS is so strong I can smell it all the way here in England.

 

Also Hinata and Naruto now go to Sakura to complain about their spouse? Talk about heartless pieces of sh*t. The woman has not seen her partner for 12 years and has to raise her child alone, and these f**kers go to her to complain about their troubles? Talk about bad friends.

 

Yeah, this I don't get. So the VAs are saying that they knew the manga was going to end this way when they were hired? Riigghhttt. And they were hired by the company that was pushing NH and SS from the beginning...so, yeah.

 

I know someone posted the gigantic frame-by-frame image of all the NS interactions, but even outside of the manga, Hinata has been nonexistant. Think about how much time Kishimoto put into her sketches and her databook info compared to Hinata. Think about how many movies Sakura has been in compared to Hinata (like every single one to Hinata's two or three). Think about the advertising that has only shown Team 7 or even just Naruto and Sakura. And if Hinata is shown, it's with the rest of the team.

 

The whole thing has been about Sakura, Team 7 or Naruto/Sakura. Hinata only came into her own when they saw they could make money off of her. And that will never change, no matter how many movies or spin-offs they come up with. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Yeah, this I don't get. So the VAs are saying that they knew the manga was going to end this way when they were hired? Riigghhttt. And they were hired by the company that was pushing NH and SS from the beginning...so, yeah.

 

I know someone posted the gigantic frame-by-frame image of all the NS interactions, but even outside of the manga, Hinata has been nonexistant. Think about how much time Kishimoto put into her sketches and her databook info compared to Hinata. Think about how many movies Sakura has been in compared to Hinata (like every single one to Hinata's two or three). Think about the advertising that has only shown Team 7 or even just Naruto and Sakura. And if Hinata is shown, it's with the rest of the team.

 

The whole thing has been about Sakura, Team 7 or Naruto/Sakura. Hinata only came into her own when they saw they could make money off of her. And that will never change, no matter how many movies or spin-offs they come up with. 

 

Yeah, I know whatcha mean. =/ And it shows the damage control is in the world with SP trying to focus on that aspect as well as Kishimoto-sensei's work in Gaiden with how he is showing SS isn't a happy pairing and all that to draw the old fans back. =/

 

It's why I am glad to see karma kick him and Studio Pierrot in the ass, Tricks. :3 The fact they deserve it for what they did.

[harry4e]

Well Naruto has a tendancy to like murderous individuals because they saw the light at the end. Zabuza was a bloodthirsty killer who weaponised the boy who thought of him as a father, Gaara killed  everyone who crossed his path (but I guess we can understand the bond those two shared.) Sasuke who wanted to destroy the world, Pain who destroyed his village and Obito, responsible for his parents death and 50,000 deaths during the war. Even Itachi killed his clan and Naruto thought he was cool.

 

For you to stay relevent for Naruto you have to be responsible for atleast one persons death. Maybe that's why Kushina's advice never stuck for him she didn't get anyone killed with her actions. Same with Sakura. Hinata atleast was responsible for Nejis death.