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[Branden]

I'm a bit confused here... are you guys trying to say that you think that Rin will be summoned in edo tensei by Madara in an attempt to weaken Obito while at the same time creating an ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel?

[sushi.]

I'm a bit confused here... are you guys trying to say that you think that Rin will be summoned in edo tensei by Madara in an attempt to weaken Obito while at the same time creating an ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel?

lol no. Don't know where you got that one from..

 

Who would want Rin to be resurrected anyway? As in not the fandom, but the Narutoverse.

[Gravenimage]

I'm a bit confused here... are you guys trying to say that you think that Rin will be summoned in edo tensei by Madara in an attempt to weaken Obito while at the same time creating an ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel?

 

Absolutely not. Madara bringing Rin back will be stupid. But what I believe will happen Kakashi will be the one to bring Rin's perspective the truth how she felt about Obito. Kakashi will eventually find a way to get out of that dimension using his magenkyou. I will stick with my theory until proven true that Rin realized her feelings for Obito after the boulder incident (she realized love when it was too late). For Obi/Rin to be another parallel of NS Rin must have feelings for him too. Kishi must eventually bring Rin's POV since we still don't know how she felt about Obito. We already know how he feels for her but Rin's feelings for him must be brought on as part of the plot since Kishi has focused so much in such. I believe Kakashi will reveal the truth of Rin's feeling when he returns as a way to snap back Obito back into reality from his jinchurikki state.

[Paptala]

^ That could be interesting.

 

Do you think that would happen before or after the Sakura-Rin parallel is confirmed (i.e. when one of the characters in the manga actually compares the two)?

[sushi.]

Do you guys think the 615 event would've happened differently if the other rookies were with Naruto too at the time? Why were they so far behind? D:

 

In 615 it looks like they were quite far behind when Neji died, because they didn't even know he was wounded until Obito pointed it out just to be mean.

 

I don't think we should underrate the speech and I hope no one will, because she did bring him out of his misery and the speech wasn't bad either. I'm just throwing in a new topic.

 

Hinata asked Naruto if he understood the meaning of what Neji said. He didn't answer, and she repeated it. (with other words, and now Naruto understood it) Do you think any of the rookies could've done the same? I do. Hinata's speech was original, but the message itself has been delivered before. Only a could've though and some of them are not the type to make speeches, but I had no idea Hinata was. XD Of those present, I would say Shikamaru, Sai and Sakura could've done this too. But for the sake of the story and development Kishi chose to make Hinata do it.

 

I'm going to compare it to Sakura's speech in 630. The fact that everyone was there and listened to her instead of contributing in what she had to say tells me that she was the only one who could do that.

 

To 615 again, what do you think the others would've said if they were beside Naruto and saw him like that? Do you think they would react differently?

 

I'm also pointing this out for the sake of the argument "Hinata is Naruto's soulmate because she prevented Naruto from becoming Obito 2.0"

Edited by sushi., 13 July 2013 - 10:37 PM.

[rocci]

@sushi
I'm narusaku parallel obirin believer sincer chapter 599 and obito flashback especially when obito held rin dearly under the moon make me realize that (knowing kishi style), whoever become rin equivalent(Hinata or sakura) will be the key for obito redemption just how a book can change nagato, and it will use as naruto silver bullet tnj.

Now after 631 and the fact that minato himself encourage obito to not give up with his hokage or rin thing, and the fact that minato himself is equivalent to romance consider how kishi portray him with kushina by itachi, kushina, jiratsu, and naruto as a successful pairing in this manga, make me conclude that naruto feeling play a very large role in here.

And that's answer the question of naruto feeling suddenly gone(naruto amnesia) because it will be use in the upcoming chapter. No wonder there is a prediction that one pairing will become canon in chapter 645. Now about 615, for me it's always clear as a moment to remind us the great conflict in chuunin exam that highlight nh and ss. So kishi intent to finish hyuga conflict and will brought up Hinata feeling later.

Last one, one pairing will be dead in this war arc, and do you know that one of kishi inspiration is the matrix and do you know that love play significan role and do you know what I'm afraid that obito(kishi) will hurt a certain pink hair kunoichi who ask by the one "are you hurt, sakura?" In a war that start by the one clone in order to create the magic matrix so he can meet his love one last time.

And they say NS is relevant

Edited by rocci, 13 July 2013 - 10:41 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

One day, I'll write my full thoughts on these pairings. Man, tumblr sure seems fun right about now.

[T XD]

I think the Rin = Sakura parallel is meant to principally make Obito play a role either in getting back to his old self, or trying to hurt Sakura then Naruto's role will come. It will lead anyways to the end of Obito's journey being bad guy.

Edited by T XD, 13 July 2013 - 11:14 PM.

[Inferno180]

Even for all that's happened, as with how 615 did occur, there was not much advanced upon, this was the time Kishi could have expanded on hinata or just nh in general but he didn't. It only was there still more for ns to occur, there was a lot left undone to nh even, rather a lot more undeveloped. It's just the whole set up right now has left nh in limbo for this recipe and these reasons just make it hard to even follow at this point:

1. After a major nh moment which could have been built upon, it's quickly left behind, hinata regressed to the back without much else.

2. Her own character finally seemed to gain more development, showing a bolder sign but she quickly just stopped and then we get chapter 633 which seemed like filler and on her part, more static development, not really advancing, almost regressing.

3. Her overall position from 633 has left her unknown at this point, rather its left us not knowing what to expect from her. Basically it's not a good thing for hinata to be unpredictable, if the overall role of the hygua was limited in plot importance, rendering hinata herself limited too then what is the overall goal for her besides being hygua clan leader? Just where does Kishi intend to lead her development?

4. Her importance on the battlefield, obviously we know why there will be a massive gang up on obito right now, team 7, the edo kage, current hokage, even more would need to fight to take out obito himself, basically obito will steamroll the allaince in all senses but even then having 2 of the best medical ninja ever (sakura and tsunade) is still a preferable, healers in reserve still helps keep others alive, sakura and tsunade still have importance if it means just healing the others. What it's hinata supposed to do though aside from recon?

5. The 631 issue, this comes back towards the first factor, just alongside why didn't Kishi build upon this other moment what are we supposed to view 631 as? A joke, short term comedy, or misleading info as others claim? No, All this means from 631 is that well Kushina said for naruto to find a girl, that he would want a girlfriend someday, everything Kushina said came true or he would seek out. So far 632 is without a question the only thing seen purely and simply able to connect these 2 together, 631 is the only chapter to have any direct correlation of Kushina having someone similar to her. Sakura is the only girl so far in any sense compared canonically to Kushina, no questions about it. So what are we to expect for kushinas foreshadow if this really was just a joke, hence why bother putting it in? It was written for a reason and with nothing built upon kushinas foreshadow aside from this, what exactly would we be seeking in nh if this was a joke? Sakura is the only girl so far on screen labeled similar or like Kushina.

6. Sakura's fate, obviously it was originally seen that nh and SS could have occurred if things all ended ideally but as sakura herself is starting to not trust sasuke, this leaves nh with a problem relating to sakura, what is her fate? She cannot end loving Sasuke or have Sasuke suddenly love her, there's a loss of character development on Sakura's side and out of character or pointless mentality shift on sasukes side. For nh to occur and have an ending for sakura, she would have to remain independent but given how her character has had a lot of emotional development, that cannot end on nothing though, this would happen if she was independent.

So this leads back to a lot of questions, what is expected of nh with stuff like lagging on the nh side, hinatas own character being limited in the past and present situations, the events of 631, future Sasuke ordeals, the lack of hinata even participating in constant screentime, there are many problems that arise in both sides on this issue, too many problems to tackle like basically if nh is to occur then why these other things especially when the claims for nh leave far more questions to be asked rather then debated. Such as if nh is really the end game, when exactly will naruto turn towards hinata and why after such comments like the gf comment or even building on kushinas foreshadow, what about Sakura's fate again? There are many ways this can be asked but the main overall problem with nh is just if its supposed or intended to be canon, then how does it plan on proving itself with events like 631 and again the trouble of hinatas limited screentime, one big event ends on a short note for another event to show up just building on a foreshadown hinting on an ending aspect, basically nh moment goes fast and then a ns one comes which got an important foreshadow stamped onto it.

Though more chapter will reveal everything, just what are we to go on, so far all Kushina stuff points toward sakura, she is the only person, the only girl aside from naruto to be compared to Kushina, basically the only person outside of narutos family compared to her. So what are we are waiting for on naruhinan side? All these issues are going to be hard to top or overcome.

[Paptala]

@Inferno:  I wouldn’t say that the moment has been left behind, since it was brought back up in 633 and even built upon a little bit (by adding in Naruto’s hand squeeze).  However, in terms of development, I agree that whatever more forceful side appeared out of Hinata then and in 629 pretty much vanished, and she went back to being unconfident in herself.

 

As far as where Kishimoto is intending to take her character, that’s hard to say at this point.  It doesn’t seem as though her character has changed much at all, despite several moments that really should have changed her (at least, in a lasting manner).

 

In regards to her role in battle, I don’t see her having any more of an individualized role to play anymore, unless Kishimoto wants to have Hinata be a meat-shield for Naruto a third time (which is just really lazy story writing).  I think its most likely that she will just work with the alliance just as she did in 633 and that the extent of her focus (in terms of battle) will be similar to what we saw in 639.

 

I’m not sure what you mean when you say that 632 is connected to 631.  Could you clarify?

 

I agree that 631 presented a lot of problems for NH arguments, but it’s one that they hope to get around by insisting that it was a joke Naruto didn’t mean at all (never mind how out of character it is for Naruto to joke about something like that, much less if he had romantic feelings for Hinata, and no feelings for Sakura).

 

I think that NH fans at this point are waiting for Hinata to play a huge role again, and for Naruto to say that he loves Hinata.  Basically, they can’t even consider the possibility of Hinata being rejected by Naruto and “failing” to achieve her words (that she’s going to be by Naruto’s side forever) because she shares the same nindo as Naruto and has never gone back on her words yet to date supposedly.

I myself have a hard time seeing what more can occur to make Naruto fall out of love with Sakura and in love with Hinata at this point.  Hinata has directly confessed to Naruto and has been willing to die for him more than once.  Naruto has not shown anything beyond friendship for Hinata despite all of this.  Naruto has not shown any signs of changing his feelings for Sakura, despite him knowing that she’s in love with Sasuke and despite her lying to him at the summit.

 

This is in contrast to NaruSaku, where Naruto has yet to give a direct confession to Sakura, letting her know how he feels about her and why.  Sakura has definitely shown signs of having feelings beyond friendship for Naruto, and she has definitely shown signs that her view of Sasuke may be changing for the worse ever since the summit.  Sakura has actually been hinted at having subconscious romantic feelings for Naruto that she simply hasn’t realized yet – unlike Naruto in regards to Hinata – so with NaruSaku, it’s not that Naruto has to do anything more to make her fall in love with him, it’s that Sakura needs to have a realization regarding her own feelings.

 

@ sushi:  I think both Hinata and Sakura were chosen for plot purposes – Hinata, because of her connection with Neji and how she tied in with Naruto and Neji’s story, and also to give her character development (which sadly seemed to have vanished in 633).

 

The biggest difference between the two speeches to me is that while Hinata was communicating Neji, and the alliance’s, desires and intent to Naruto, Sakura communicated Naruto’s desires and intents to the alliance.  Which is why the latter speech had to be Sakura – no one else knew Naruto well enough to literally speak for him.

 

Hinata didn’t prevent Naruto from becoming an Obito 2.0 – Naruto wasn’t close enough to Neji, and his reaction to Neji’s death was nothing as extreme as Obito’s reaction to Rin’s death.  Hinata may have pulled Naruto from his despair, but if anyone prevented Naruto from going down the psychotic path similar to Obito’s, then it was Iruka and Team 7 since they saved him from the hell of loneliness that made him despite the village initially.

 

One day, I'll write my full thoughts on these pairings. Man, tumblr sure seems fun right about now.

 

Looking forward to it!

To the FC in general:  Would someone mind translating for me Sakura's thoughts on this page?  I just wanted to know if the translations I've seen are accurate since I was told it wasn't.  I would really appreciate it!

Edited by Paptala, 14 July 2013 - 04:50 AM.

[bthug]

Anyone just watch the Naruto episode on Toonami, man that was painful. I wish now hope Sakura does something similar, but significantly better to Naruto.

 

If u didint see it, its the FoD episode where Sasuke gets up with the curse seal and is like "who did this to u sakura' and then Sakura hugs him to stop him from killing some peeps

[megi]

 Looking forward to it!
To the FC in general:  Would someone mind translating for me Sakura's thoughts on this page?  I just wanted to know if the translations I've seen are accurate since I was told it wasn't.  I would really appreciate it!

 
The translation is something like this, I tried to make it as smooth as possible ^^
Sakura: Naruto... I only come crying to you...I only rely on you and cling to (edit: depend on) you...I couldn't do anything.....

 
Now that I have time and have good raw scans:
 
631, Naruto's line
 

「まあ、そんな感じだって。。。」- "Well, something like that..."
it is clear to me that he is not saying "dattebayo" he is saying "datte", meaning that she/it is said.

you can be the judge.
 
633 Hinata's line
 

 

「私は。。。ナルトくんの横にずっといたいんだもの！」

 

This is translated as :

 

I...want to be by Naruto-kun's side the whole time! 

I...want to have been by Naruto-kun's side the whole time!

 

ずっと (zutto) - which I have translated as "the whole time", is like "all the way", referencing a long time or distance. It will still mean the same thing any way.

Either translation, she is clearly stating her desire/want. She is not talking something she has done or does.

 

I hope this clears up things.

Edited by megi, 14 July 2013 - 05:55 AM.

[Paptala]

 
The translation is something like this, I tried to make it as smooth as possible ^^
Sakura: Naruto... I only come crying to you...I only rely on you and cling to you...I couldn't do anything.....
 
Now that I have time and have good raw scans:
 
631, Naruto's line
 

「まあ、そんな感じだって。。。」- "Well, something like that..."
it is clear to me that he is not saying "dattebayo" he is saying "datte", meaning that she/it is said.

you can be the judge.
 
633 Hinata's line
 

 

「私は。。。ナルトくんの横にずっといたいんだもの！」

 

This is translated as :

 

I...want to be by Naruto-kun's side the whole time! 

I...want to have been by Naruto-kun's side the whole time!

 

ずっと (zutto) - which I have translated as "the whole time", is like "all the way", referencing a long time or distance. It will still mean the same thing any way.

Either translation, she is clearly stating her desire/want. She is not talking something she has done or does.

 

I hope this clears up things.

Thanks so much for the translations!  I wonder why they translated the first page as, "I trust you completely" : /  I mean, was that implied, or were the translators just that much more liberal/lazy with translations back then?

 

In regards to the second translation, its amazing how much more they added in the mangastream translation - splitting hairs indeed

I still find it really interesting that he said, "datte" and that he's possisbly referring to Sakura's confession there - I hope this is a clear indicator that the moment will be brought up again and that Naruto and Sakura will have a calmer, more open discussion about it on both sides.

 

In regards to the third translation, some have discussed the possibility that Hinata means that she wants to stay by Naruto's side in terms of power and will power - to be able to stand beside him in terms of strength, rather than in a romantic sense.  This is possible with the English translation, but does this interpretation still work for the Japanese version?  I'm not sure if the Japanese terms used imply something more romantic or not.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Anyone just watch the Naruto episode on Toonami, man that was painful. I wish now hope Sakura does something similar, but significantly better to Naruto.
 
If u didint see it, its the FoD episode where Sasuke gets up with the curse seal and is like "who did this to u sakura' and then Sakura hugs him to stop him from killing some peeps

You know the sad part about that moment is the fact it was all Sasuke, which is why Sakura was hurt bad without any healing. But guess who did that: Naruto, after telling him that she knows the whole thing about Orochimaru and such. I have to write my work on KN4 incident because that moment is different from FoD and I can explain why. Tomorrow I will write it.

So yeah, the moral is that Sasuke is not the type for her because he's just that dark and that's just him. Sakura is more light and lively and the funny yet touching thing is Naruto fits in perfectly, an idiot with a gold heart.

[rocci]

I have a feeling that 633 is the set up for nh become canon

OR

Setting for chapter 450........

[Lalufuffy]

 

Absolutely not. Madara bringing Rin back will be stupid. But what I believe will happen Kakashi will be the one to bring Rin's perspective the truth how she felt about Obito. Kakashi will eventually find a way to get out of that dimension using his magenkyou. I will stick with my theory until proven true that Rin realized her feelings for Obito after the boulder incident (she realized love when it was too late). For Obi/Rin to be another parallel of NS Rin must have feelings for him too. Kishi must eventually bring Rin's POV since we still don't know how she felt about Obito. We already know how he feels for her but Rin's feelings for him must be brought on as part of the plot since Kishi has focused so much in such. I believe Kakashi will reveal the truth of Rin's feeling when he returns as a way to snap back Obito back into reality from his jinchurikki state.

 

Yeah, that would be awesome. That would basically be TnJ from Kakashi which a lot of people wouldn't like.

But IMO Madara is a more plausible villain, anyway. And since Obito is probably possessed right now,

I would rather see some TnJ than a stupid Juubito which doesn't even kinow why it's fighting.

Anyway, yeah I agree. I hope there's gonna be a flashback in which Kakashi noticed that Rin actually loved Obito. I don't know how much time passed after Obito's supposed death until Rin died, but I'm sure it was enough for Rin to realize that she actually had romantic feelings for Obito.

Edited by Lalufuffy, 14 July 2013 - 07:03 AM.

[LadyGT]

Am I the only one that thinks Naruto already rejected Hinata's confession offscreen?
I mean, he found out about Konohamaru learning the rasengan and yet he didn't have time to talk with Hinata?
We also see a panel where Naruto remembers her figh with Pain, plus not to mention that she states that after the war she will stop chasing after him.

I honestly think she wants to be there for Naruto as a comrade/friend, like Shimamaru or anyone else but not in a romantic sense. That's what I feel.

[六道仙人]

seeing that page raw made me to notice that at time Sakura referrs to Naruto by using アナタ (Anata) instead of アンタ (Anta), currently used by Sakura with Naruto....

@Megi, did you know that Sakura used to say アナタ with Naruto? It's been a while since I read jp volumes of the first part...

Edited by 六道仙人, 14 July 2013 - 08:58 AM.

[rocci]

seeing that page raw made me to notice that at time Sakura referrs to Naruto by using アナタ (Anata) instead of アンタ (Anta), currently used by Sakura with Naruto....
@Megi, did you know that Sakura used to say アナタ with Naruto? It's been a while since I read jp volumes of the first part...

What's the different?

[Slix]

What's the different?

Anta is informal, either used when familiar or showing contempt. Anata is formal and is commonly used by women to address their husband or lover.

Edited by Slix, 14 July 2013 - 11:27 AM.