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[redragon88]

No, I just didn't like how the anime made it sound Naruto made his mind up that he would be content without Sakura. Not that he should become a stalker.

I also want to hear Naruto's thoughts on Sakura -- in the actual manga. Apart from chapter 3, we've hardly had any input on his feelings about Sakura. The anime making up their own monologue is only going to run into potential continuity problems. Just like the Tsubasa Chronicle fillers, who gave Kurogane another name, only to run into a plot hole when the manga revealed his real name.

There's no need to hear Naruto's thoughts, they've always been the same: he loves Sakura and wants her to be happy. That will never change. The anime team was spot on with Naruto's inner thoughts in episode 235. They simply tell us what we should already know, there's no continuity problems with that.

Whether that is canon or not should depend on Kishimoto, not the fillers.

It's always been canon. The manga shows you that's how Naruto always felt. He wants nothing more than for Sakura to be happy, that's why he made that promise to her to bring Sasuke back. He already was determined to bring him back but he made that promise anyway to put Sakura at ease because it pained Naruto to see her suffering.

Also, he won't give up on winning Sakura over if he still believes he can be the one to make her happy. Throughout the series Naruto has expressed interest many times in going on dates with Sakura, if he didn't think he had a chance I don't think he would still bring up the subject.

Except the part where he says he's content if she doesn't chose him.

He never said that he would be happy about it. He said that if he didn't choose him in the end that it was alright because to him all that matters is for her to be happy.

Those have always been Naruto's sentiments in the manga. His first priority is to make Sakura happy. Naruto loves her and wants to be with her, but if that would ever go against Sakura being 100% happy then he wouldn't force her to be with him.

[Nefertieh]

There's no need to hear Naruto's thoughts, they've always been the same: he loves Sakura and wants her to be happy. That will never change. The anime team was spot on with Naruto's inner thoughts in episode 235. They simply tell us what we should already know, there's no continuity problems with that.

He loves her, wants her to be happy, I can understand. But happy to not act on his feelings is not for the anime to decide.

It's always been canon. The manga shows you that's how Naruto always felt. He wants nothing more than for Sakura to be happy, that's why he made that promise to her to bring Sasuke back. He already was determined to bring him back but he made that promise anyway to put Sakura at ease because it pained Naruto to see her suffering.

The manga didn't say how he would react if he was rejected. Remember, he wad clearly sad when Sakura hugged Sasuke back in Part I.

Also, he won't give up on winning Sakura over if he still believes he can be the one to make her happy. Throughout the series Naruto has expressed interest many times in going on dates with Sakura, if he didn't think he had a chance I don't think he would still bring up the subject.


He never said that he would be happy about it. He said that if he didn't choose him in the end that it was alright because to him all that matters is for her to be happy.

Those have always been Naruto's sentiments in the manga. His first priority is to make Sakura happy. Naruto loves her and wants to be with her, but if that would ever go against Sakura being 100% happy then he wouldn't force her to be with him.

The anime filler did say he'd be content with it, perhaps not thrilled, but ok either way. I just don't like the anime making fillers on such an important topic. I've heard the same argument being used by the anti. Ie, he doesn't want to be with her as much as he would want to be hokage, therefore the pairing is invalid.

Edited by Nefertieh, 29 August 2012 - 09:37 AM.

[Dalton.T.R]

Ok, this argument wheather an author cares about ALL his characters or not, the answer goes BOTH ways. For me, I like all my characters because they're my own creation. I'm the one who gave them names, I'm the one who gave them life, in a way... I'm playig as a god.

It is possible for an author to not like one of his or her characters. I for one, am not a big fan of my main villain, and I'm not talking about a fanfic here, I'm talking about a book that is my own idea and has its own unique story to it. The reason I don't like my villain... He's hard to write, he's hard to develop, and I just don't like his personality, but he's a villain, am I really supposed to like his personality? No, not nececerally.

Unlike Kishimoto, I have given my females (especially my lead) very large roles later on in thestory. I am sick and tired of seeing females... or women in general not playing a bigger role than just being there for sex scenes and what not. I care about most of my females possible even more than some of the lead characters, but the lead character is still in rank one, just because I can relate to him.

Each author is totally unique in there own way, I'll admit I'm not the best writer out there, but Kishimoto has had his flwas, and I can say the same for any other author out there, even Steven King.

If I had a character who only thinks about her love life 24/7 and she's holding a fanbase of God knows how many people, and one of her fans actually sent me bash male over my lead female, chances are I wouldn't like this character too much. She wouldn't be vital to the plot at all, and I hate characters like this in general. So chances are I'm not going to like this character. For this story plot, there's no room for romance due to the fact that two massive armies of 65-million Middle Eastern terrerists going up against Nato forces who raise an army of 70-million, there is no room for romance! This character would be totally uselesss! Especially if she has no backbone and can't fight on her own. I'd more than likes either kill her off, or make her get seriously ingered and sent to the medical camp through the remander of the serise.

So does Kishi HAVE to like Hinata? No, he doesn't. But I'm not him. Maybe he does, maybehe doesn't, but doesn't HAVE to LIKE her!

[Gravenimage]

Ok, this argument wheather an author cares about ALL his characters or not, the answer goes BOTH ways. For me, I like all my characters because they're my own creation. I'm the one who gave them names, I'm the one who gave them life, in a way... I'm playig as a god.

It is possible for an author to not like one of his or her characters. I for one, am not a big fan of my main villain, and I'm not talking about a fanfic here, I'm talking about a book that is my own idea and has its own unique story to it. The reason I don't like my villain... He's hard to write, he's hard to develop, and I just don't like his personality, but he's a villain, am I really supposed to like his personality? No, not nececerally.

Unlike Kishimoto, I have given my females (especially my lead) very large roles later on in thestory. I am sick and tired of seeing females... or women in general not playing a bigger role than just being there for sex scenes and what not. I care about most of my females possible even more than some of the lead characters, but the lead character is still in rank one, just because I can relate to him.

Each author is totally unique in there own way, I'll admit I'm not the best writer out there, but Kishimoto has had his flwas, and I can say the same for any other author out there, even Steven King.

If I had a character who only thinks about her love life 24/7 and she's holding a fanbase of God knows how many people, and one of her fans actually sent me bash male over my lead female, chances are I wouldn't like this character too much. She wouldn't be vital to the plot at all, and I hate characters like this in general. So chances are I'm not going to like this character. For this story plot, there's no room for romance due to the fact that two massive armies of 65-million Middle Eastern terrerists going up against Nato forces who raise an army of 70-million, there is no room for romance! This character would be totally uselesss! Especially if she has no backbone and can't fight on her own. I'd more than likes either kill her off, or make her get seriously ingered and sent to the medical camp through the remander of the serise.

So does Kishi HAVE to like Hinata? No, he doesn't. But I'm not him. Maybe he does, maybehe doesn't, but doesn't HAVE to LIKE her!

This just this! Kishi was ready to close Hinata's character development after 437 (which it was before he got the NH Sakura bashing letters). Now he has chosen to keep her the same, I think he was ready to change Hinata into a more independent character after finally getting the load off of telling her feelings to Naruto and she was ready to move on. However after reading the Sakura bashing letters and putting Hinata into a pedestal getting all the glory for reasons he doesn't understand. He decides to keep her being the shy character who only has Naruto in her head 24/7 that way he will life her fans and fandoms hopes up that she will get together with Naruto only to troll them big time putting the hero of the story with his heroine which Naruto has ALWAYS shown he loves Sakura since the chapter he has introduced her.

[Don-kun]

Lol at SS trying to make parallel with the Obito/Rin, this is the new level of desesperarion.

[merryGOflava]

Lol at SS trying to make parallel with the Obito/Rin, this is the new level of desesperarion.

....no really?...........really?

......i thought they would try to use the friendzoned obito against our pairing....but saying that its like SS is....a little much XD....

[candycane-chan]

....no really?...........really?

......i thought they would try to use the friendzoned obito against our pairing....but saying that its like SS is....a little much XD....

well acually --Click here to view--

although obito is an uchiha he seems just like naruto ...is determined....is a good guy( he helped that old lady :wiggle: .....starts from zero ...likes a girl(rin) that likes the cool and strong guy in the team(kakashi) ...amd gets jealous or sad or puts on a sad smile when rin shows affection to kakashi( same with naruto when sakura hugged sasuke)... so if its SS i would have expected them to use kakashi x rin ...even that doesnt work

Edited by candycane-chan, 29 August 2012 - 08:59 PM.

[merryGOflava]

well acually --Click here to view--

although onito is an uchiha he seems just like naruto ...starts from zero like a girl(rin) that likes the cool strong guy in the team(kakashi) so if its SS i would have accpected them to use kakashi x rin ...even that doesnt work

i know...he might be an uchiha but obito is definitely more like naruto :3
the only difference is that obito died young......or i think he died...........maybe he was just chilling under the rock?........

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Lol at SS trying to make parallel with the Obito/Rin, this is the new level of desesperarion.

Kakashi says after the chuunin exam when he teachs the chidori he says that he's passing down this technique because sasuke is like him.
Case Closed.

[candycane-chan]

i know...he might be an uchiha but obito is definitely more like naruto :3
the only difference is that obito died young......or i think he died...........maybe he was just chilling under the rock?........

we dont know yet ..and whats with kishi and the parallals ,i mean first we have tsunade liking someone eles over our favorite pervet who has romantis feelings for her and him failing to bring orichimaru back and now we have obito likes rin and the rest is mystery just like naruto likes sakura ( but she likes another) and is trying to bring sasuke back...kishi kishi kishi

Edited by candycane-chan, 29 August 2012 - 09:05 PM.

[merryGOflava]

i hope we know what happened to rin next chapters...

[candycane-chan]

Kakashi says after the chuunin exam when he teachs the chidori he says that he's passing down this technique because sasuke is like him.
Case Closed.

right i forgot about that ...

[LadyGT]

I can't believe they are paralleling it to SS.... I mean the only thing Sasuke and Obito have in common is the fact that they are uchihas.

This is really denying the facts, how does it even work by the way? If Sasuke is Obito than Sakura doesn't feel a crap about Sasuke and is in love with someone else? Is that really how Sasusaku works nowdays?
What the hell people are really desperate....

[Paptala]

What I don't get at all is people getting into such a snit because a few people bring up parallels.

Immediately its, "Parallels suck" "Parallels don't prove anything" "Parallels don't justify any pairing" etc. etc. throw in lines about NS shippers being hypocrites.

I just don't get what the big deal is - the parallels are so blatant its not even funny; its not the personalities so much as the same love situation - why is it such a horrible thing to point it out in passing?

Why are shippers looked down upon so much by the fandom in general? It makes me feel like a tard for even posting anything trying to logically explain the rationale behind the theory. : /

/nardofandomfrustratingme

I really think I'm going to have to isolate myself to the NaruSaku fandom for the foreseeable future, if only to avoid this completely unnecessary stress and aggravation of dealing with houlier-than-thou fans elsewhere. It's tiring, tbh.

Edited by Paptala, 30 August 2012 - 02:28 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know about you guys, but I feel like NaruSaku will be endgame. After recent chapter, I feel convinced that NaruSaku is the true pairing. Not only parallel gets crazier, but the whole driven theme really boosts the idea of Naruto surpassing the older generation. I can't believe how romance theme was so exposed in the recent chapter. If that's the case, that means Kishi is serious about romance. In other words, yes, expect a romance moment for Naruto.

SS/NH is slowly fading away as more chapters come. You got to be in denial that Obito/Rin is not NaruSaku. I'm sorry, but there's no other excuse at all. It's clear as day.

[Paptala]

I don't know about you guys, but I feel like NaruSaku will be endgame. After recent chapter, I feel convinced that NaruSaku is the true pairing. Not only parallel gets crazier, but the whole driven theme really boosts the idea of Naruto surpassing the older generation. I can't believe how romance theme was so exposed in the recent chapter. If that's the case, that means Kishi is serious about romance. In other words, yes, expect a romance moment for Naruto.

SS/NH is slowly fading away as more chapters come. You got to be in denial that Obito/Rin is not NaruSaku. I'm sorry, but there's no other excuse at all. It's clear as day.

That's pretty much my thoughts on the matter as well. ObiRin is the exact same unrequited love situation as NaruSaku, and I just don't see any other way around it.

It has been made abundantly clear that Naruto will succeed where the ones who came before him failed, and given that never winning Tsunade's heart was one of Jiraiya's regrets at the end of his life, and the focus given to his unrequited, unexpressed feelings for Rin in this last chapter (and even made one his last desires in Kakashi Gaiden), it seems illogical to have Naruto fail in winning over the heart of Sakura too.

Getting together with Hinata would be meaningless in regards to the above; it would be Hinata achieving what she wanted, it would be Hinata whose hard work and persistence was rewarded and justified, not Naruto's. Naruto would still have failed in winning over the heart of the girl he originally loved, the girl who was in love with cool genius.

[kirabook]

You know, looking back on it, the whole denial thing with the Tobito theory highly reminds me of the ongoing pairing 'war' we're having.

Kishi layered on the hints so thick that people felt it was TOO obvious to be true. I wasn't a part of the Naruto fandom back in the days when people were denying Minato was Naruto's dad *my very first and very last post on NF was a thread on why Yondy was Naruto's father*, but I heard that that was also a similar situation to now (being so obvious it seems untrue, but ends up being true)

I feel like Kishi isn't actually as secretive as we thought he was. Most of the time, he's very obvious with his direction. I feel the same is going to apply to what pairing is going to be canon in the end.

Right now, people seem to be trying to relate Obito to Sasuke of all people *seriously?*. Sure, Obito might have a few similarities with Sasuke, like being from the same clan, black hair, sharingan, but who is it that he looks IDENTICAL to? *save the black hair and missing whiskers?* They even have the same smile and expressions, unrequited love, goggles, and everything else, how can Obito be paralleled to anyone but Naruto? How can anyone reading this manga seriously consider relating Sasuke to Obito more than Naruto?

Now that the most recent chapter has been revealed, how can anyone not want Naruto to succeed where Obito didn't? I was feeling sorry for Obito the whole time. It's not Rin's fault at all, she liked someone else and there's nothing wrong with that. But it was still heart breaking to see Obito fail time and time again. I'd hate to see Naruto living a life like that. And I'd hate to see Sakura loving someone that won't turn her way for the rest of her life.

As for why shippers have a bad name in the fandom, my own opinion is that there are way too many shippers that ignore every other plot other than the sub romance plot.
"They finally found Sasuke again, but he left them in the dust!" "That was just mean! How could Sasuke treat Sakura like that? She loves him!"
"Well, would you look at that, we just discovered that Minato is Naruto's father after all!" "I wonder what happened to Hinata, she just confessed her love to Naruto and died just like that! Now he can never return her feelings!"
-insert extreme NS comment that I can't really seem to think of XD, though I'm sure there's just as many-

Even I get annoyed at times when instead of discussing the plot, a few people have turned it into yet another pairing debate. I find it hard to just discuss plot events without talking about pairings on the few Naruto sites that I lurk, which is why I don't join them. That doesn't really happen around here I don't think.

To sum it up, some people care more about the pairings than the plot. They care more about Hinata's happiness and Hinata getting with Naruto instead of Naruto bringing peace to the ninja world and accomplishing what the previous generations couldn't. They want Sasuke to be good only for the purpose of getting with Sakura so that he can restore his clan. And yes, some NS shippers put Naruto getting with Sakura over the other things he's supposed to be working towards.

It can get annoying to have your threads hijacked by pairings debates all the time, hence why pairing people are not looked upon highly.

[neoshadow]

You know, looking back on it, the whole denial thing with the Tobito theory highly reminds me of the ongoing pairing 'war' we're having.

Kishi layered on the hints so thick that people felt it was TOO obvious to be true. I wasn't a part of the Naruto fandom back in the days when people were denying Minato was Naruto's dad *my very first and very last post on NF was a thread on why Yondy was Naruto's father*, but I heard that that was also a similar situation to now (being so obvious it seems untrue, but ends up being true)

I feel like Kishi isn't actually as secretive as we thought he was. Most of the time, he's very obvious with his direction. I feel the same is going to apply to what pairing is going to be canon in the end.

I was thinking about this earlier and I was wondering if Kishimoto had to change his plans for Tobi, I mean from almost the second Tobi was introduced the Obito=Tobi theory popped up, Kishimoto could have seen that and decided to add that Tobi calls himself Madara as a means to derail the Obito theory because I know I'd be saddened that the fans guessed the identity of my ultimate villain immediately.
But I guess building tension is far more important to the story then building in some shock twists, so it is probably all intentional, even if it does sometimes seem too obvious sometimes.

I know some people find pairing debates unnecessary but I think its important to have those debates because at the end of the day its all stems from an interest in the story, its only unnecessary when it becomes an attack rather than a debate

I think Obito can be compared to both Naruto and Sasuke, he is essentially a Naruto that became a Sasuke, hes sat on both sides of the fence, he makes a good villain for Naruto because like Nagato he seemingly shared the same beliefs as Naruto but had them crushed and resorted to a twisted version of his original beliefs, a way to achieve peace sure but not true peace like what Naruto seeks

Edited by neoshadow, 30 August 2012 - 04:20 AM.

[Transformers03]

I don't know about you guys, but I feel like NaruSaku will be endgame. After recent chapter, I feel convinced that NaruSaku is the true pairing. Not only parallel gets crazier, but the whole driven theme really boosts the idea of Naruto surpassing the older generation. I can't believe how romance theme was so exposed in the recent chapter. If that's the case, that means Kishi is serious about romance. In other words, yes, expect a romance moment for Naruto.

SS/NH is slowly fading away as more chapters come. You got to be in denial that Obito/Rin is not NaruSaku. I'm sorry, but there's no other excuse at all. It's clear as day.

That's how I always felt, I believed that it was either clear as day that Narusaku was the end pairing and the other pairings are just in denial, or that the other pairings was clear as day and we were being in denial. But at this point, especially with this recent parallel and movie, it's hard not to believe that Narusaku will happen.

You know, looking back on it, the whole denial thing with the Tobito theory highly reminds me of the ongoing pairing 'war' we're having.

Kishi layered on the hints so thick that people felt it was TOO obvious to be true. I wasn't a part of the Naruto fandom back in the days when people were denying Minato was Naruto's dad *my very first and very last post on NF was a thread on why Yondy was Naruto's father*, but I heard that that was also a similar situation to now (being so obvious it seems untrue, but ends up being true)

I feel like Kishi isn't actually as secretive as we thought he was. Most of the time, he's very obvious with his direction. I feel the same is going to apply to what pairing is going to be canon in the end.

Right now, people seem to be trying to relate Obito to Sasuke of all people *seriously?*. Sure, Obito might have a few similarities with Sasuke, like being from the same clan, black hair, sharingan, but who is it that he looks IDENTICAL to? *save the black hair and missing whiskers?* They even have the same smile and expressions, unrequited love, goggles, and everything else, how can Obito be paralleled to anyone but Naruto? How can anyone reading this manga seriously consider relating Sasuke to Obito more than Naruto?

Now that the most recent chapter has been revealed, how can anyone not want Naruto to succeed where Obito didn't? I was feeling sorry for Obito the whole time. It's not Rin's fault at all, she liked someone else and there's nothing wrong with that. But it was still heart breaking to see Obito fail time and time again. I'd hate to see Naruto living a life like that. And I'd hate to see Sakura loving someone that won't turn her way for the rest of her life.

As for why shippers have a bad name in the fandom, my own opinion is that there are way too many shippers that ignore every other plot other than the sub romance plot.
"They finally found Sasuke again, but he left them in the dust!" "That was just mean! How could Sasuke treat Sakura like that? She loves him!"
"Well, would you look at that, we just discovered that Minato is Naruto's father after all!" "I wonder what happened to Hinata, she just confessed her love to Naruto and died just like that! Now he can never return her feelings!"
-insert extreme NS comment that I can't really seem to think of XD, though I'm sure there's just as many-

Even I get annoyed at times when instead of discussing the plot, a few people have turned it into yet another pairing debate. I find it hard to just discuss plot events without talking about pairings on the few Naruto sites that I lurk, which is why I don't join them. That doesn't really happen around here I don't think.

To sum it up, some people care more about the pairings than the plot. They care more about Hinata's happiness and Hinata getting with Naruto instead of Naruto bringing peace to the ninja world and accomplishing what the previous generations couldn't. They want Sasuke to be good only for the purpose of getting with Sakura so that he can restore his clan. And yes, some NS shippers put Naruto getting with Sakura over the other things he's supposed to be working towards.

It can get annoying to have your threads hijacked by pairings debates all the time, hence why pairing people are not looked upon highly.

This goes with top comment, that it must have been obvious for awhile in what direction he was going. While Naruto does have it's plot twists, the story is still pretty straight forward. Surprisingly, however, the whole romance subplot is actually little bit more complicated than some of the major plot lines. That's mostly because Sakura's emotions fot both of her teammate are actually kind of complex, and then Kishi added that wrench named Hinata which made things a little bit more hard to see where he's going with this whole romance thing.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So,

Let's be honest, who here has their NaruSaku chance increased?

I say I because the recent chapter clearly shows that Obito is the guy who went through a Naruto's route, only to end short. Now, he believes illusion can achieve freedom, a shortcut route but a wrong reason. Naruto is going to correct this. He must surpass the old's regrets.

Thoughts.