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[MangaReader]

I've lost track of what's going on... Did we learn no one likes the movie?

[Tiller]

I'm sorry, but that is slander and I cannot accept that. You base this entire conjecture off of maybe nothing or maybe even only one writer's view...meanwhile another writer maybe just wanted to do something different for once instead of just rehashing Superman and Lois Lane love affair over and over and over again.

Like I said, you seem to have no problem Batman being a playboy...

I think that makes me madder than anything else. Superman gets blamed for being overpowered, a playboy, gritty, and for many other things, but if Batman does it all of a sudden it is okay because he is a playboy millionaire.

Jerry Siegel  with Joe Shuster are the creators of Superman, and to me the true owners of their creation. Had they not been little more then kids when they created him it's unlikely they would have given up their rights at such a cheap price. End of story. Joe Shuster designed the original Superman from Jerry, and Joanne was the woman who modeled for Lois Lane. Jerry feel in love with her in real life and never forgot about her. Later in life when he had the chance to win her heart again he did everything in his power, and ended up marrying her. These aren't disputable facts, this is the history of Superman, his creation, and who created him. Again this isn't just talking these are undisputed facts about the history of Superman. Jerry always said that his wife was the real Lois Lane, and her fiery spirit is what inspired him to add aspects of her personality into the character not just her physical appearance.

 

This anti-Lois Lane stuff didn't start happening at DC comics until after Infinite Crisis, when they killed off Superboy because Joanne had won a case in her husband's name back in 04 that Superboy was his idea, and was on the road to getting back the rights of Superboy to her husband's estate until Warner Bros used their corporate arm to higher better lawyers. It was after that event, and the 2008 ruling that further gave Jerry co-authorship of Superboy that a lot of this anti-Lois Lane stuff started at DC comics. There pushing Lois lately comes strictly because of backlash from a vocal fan base. Because of that push back there is a lot of "we don't completely hate" Lois stuff now, and she is around again, but that doesn't change what did happen in that company back in the mid 2000s. Had Joanne not pushed her husband's rights a lot of the staff of DC wouldn't have been as pissed off about losing Superboy.

 

Fact is DC comics had to be pushed into helping out Jerry and Joe back in the day, they were guilted into it. They were in unbelievable poverty at the time of the first Superman movie. Jerry even came out against the movie at first because of how badly DC abused the team.They were barely eating well DC comics made millions on their original ideas.  This includes DC stripping Jerry away from creative control of Superman after they rejected his K-Metal From Krypton storyline, where he had Lois Lane not only find out that Clark Kent was Superman, but had her become his "partner". It was suppose to be a next part of the story back in 41 but then DC comics completely took control out of Jerry's hands.

 

I'll never support Lois and Clark being apart, because to me they are Jerry and Joanne. Much like with NS now I just don't give a damn what the official "corporate canon" couples are. I support L and C, and have no interest in Clark being with anyone else.

 

As far as Bruce Wayne goes... I really don't give a damn. Never was a Batman fan. I enjoyed the animated series and watched the movies, but Batman has never been a comic I followed.

 

Again if you love SM/WW more power to you. I will never support it, and find it disgusting, because I see it s a direct attack on Jerry and Joanne that started when Joanne started pushing more for her husband's rights and memory. Nothing you or anyone else is going to change my opinion because I was very invested in DC comics back when that was happening. For the record my annoyance is more directed at Lee and DiDio then the fans. Diane Nelson's hands aren't clean on this either, nor are Paul Levitz.

 

Honestly if this wasn't about Jerry and Joanne I really wouldn't care enough to even respond at this point. As I said I'm pretty much done with most western comics, they don't speak to me, and haven't in years. With the end of Fables, that last story that I thought had any real emotional impact will be done with DC comics. More power to the people who want DC to have it's multiverse though. It's not a company I support anymore though, and honestly whatever comes out in the future I won't be reading.

 

Now unless you want to make a thread on this I'm not going to talk anymore about it here, we've hijacked the thread enough.

[Atheck]

I've lost track of what's going on... Did we learn no one likes the movie?

 

Oh, there's no doubt that a percentage of the fandom enjoys this movie. Many of them would even go so far as to claim that it's the best one out of the bunch.

 

I think the important question is whether or not the majority of fans are approving of what Kishi and Pierrot have done using this recent film. 

Edited by Atheck, 23 December 2014 - 02:08 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Lois/SM waaaay more development then NH. Way more endearing then it. Like I said, I'm not really into the fandom so it doesn't matter one way or the other to me whether its Lois/SM or WW/SM. its going to be what its going to be.

Again, it depends on the comic and the writer. They can make the development deep or they can make it shallow. There are a couple of times where Lois' love for Clark was only because of Superman and her hero worship. Not too distant from how we see NH at times.

I have read almost every Superman comic I can get my hands and both Superman and Lois' character have changed significantly over the years from being shallow and jaded to deep and real human interest. This is fiction after all and anything can be shown, but from what I keep reading in the comic, Lois was more a damsel in distress that purposely got herself in trouble for "the perfect story" with Lex always mocking saying "You always expect Superman to save you, don't you?" Even Superman is depicted as this disgusting man sometimes.

http://goodcomics.co...ermankills5.jpg

With Superman and WW, you can play it both ways where even Wonder Woman can save Superman's life just like how Sakura saved Naruto's.

 

I just wish people would actually read the comics first and then give an opinion rather just downright off the cuff of their sleeve say "Well, it is not Superman and Lois, so it sucks."

Even I didn't treat Naruto the Last like that. I don't hate Naruto the Last because of NaruHina, I hate it because it butchered the story and characters we know and love.
 

There are a LOT of issues I have with western comics and I could detail every single one of them but time, and laaaaaazzzy.

Lol, to be honest the issues stretch far beyond than just Western Comics. Basically any media that shows Men and Woman and call it the "average" is shown as a biggest issue.

It's also a double edge sword, but to be truly realistic about it, how many want to see fat ugly people (men or women) advertise say for...underwear or swimsuits? So it makes me wonder if we are just as much to blame as these adverts.





 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 December 2014 - 02:11 AM.

[Tiller]

I've lost track of what's going on... Did we learn no one likes the movie?

We are waiting on confirmation about a lot of things at this point.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Again, it depends on the comic and the writer. They can make the development deep or they can make it shallow. There are a couple of times where Lois' love for Clark was only because of Superman and her hero worship. Not too distant from how we see NH at times.

I have read almost every Superman comic I can get my hands and both Superman and Lois' character have changed significantly over the years from being shallow and jaded to deep and real human interest. This is fiction after all and anything can be shown, but from what I keep reading in the comic, Lois was more a damsel in distress that purposely got herself in trouble for "the perfect story" with Lex always mocking saying "You always expect Superman to save you, don't you?" Even Superman is depicted as this disgusting man sometimes.

http://goodcomics.co...ermankills5.jpg

With Superman and WW, you can play it both ways where even Wonder Woman can save Superman's life just like how Sakura saved Naruto's.

 

I just wish people would actually read the comics first and then give an opinion rather just downright off the cuff of their sleeve say "Well, it is not Superman and Lois, so it sucks."

Even I didn't treat Naruto the Last like that. I don't hate Naruto the Last because of NaruHina, I hate it because it butchered the story and characters we know and love.
 

Lol, to be honest the issues stretch far beyond than just Western Comics. Basically any media that shows Men and Woman and call it the "average" is shown as a biggest issue.

It's also a double edge sword, but to be truly realistc about it, how many want to be fat ugly people (men or women) advertise say for...underwear or swim suits?





 

Bolded;They're already pushing for that    

Hey, I'm not saying that Lois/Superman is the truwuv and only acceptable Superman pairing and WW/Superman is trash...Because its not. Like you said, it can be played either way and there are tons of A/U's. It doesn't bother me that it exists, it bothers me what certain fans use to JUSTIFY why its supposedly better. 

The idea that Lois is inferior due to being "normal" is one of them. 




 

[luffyq1]

Bolded;They're already pushing for that    

Hey, I'm not saying that Lois/Superman is the truwuv and only acceptable Superman pairing and WW/Superman is trash...Because its not. Like you said, it can be played either way and there are tons of A/U's. It doesn't bother me that it exists, it bothers me what certain fans use to JUSTIFY why its supposedly better. 

The idea that Lois is inferior due to being "normal" is one of them. 




 

i think one of the best depictions of lois is from smallville. she was tough, smart, funny and she had the "don't take any of your kitten" personality. and while i've been shipping sm/ww for years, i am also a big time clois shipper. so it's a win-win for me ^_^

[TerrorKing]

I'm not good with gif but someone should write Kishi as the zombie, and the fandom is Luffy lol. XD I'd try to shut him up but he always comes back to haunt us with interviews and extra pages.

This is so true I can't even...

 

I especially like the "There, there..." part. It's like we're not even mad at him anymore, we just pity him.    

[Tiller]

This is so true I can't even...

 

I especially like the "There, there..." part. It's like we're not even mad at him anymore, we just pity him.    

I'm just hoping their is tape of Junko telling Kishimoto to stop talking. I wonder if it's was a "there there now my friend enough of that talk" tone or more of a "Oh God just stop it please!" tone.

[XJohnnyApprovesNarskuX]

This goes back to my issue of "Lois is just an ordinary person. WW is better..." I don't like that a lot of people have this mindset that super's should stay with supers and ordinary people with ordinary people. "Wonderwoman is super strong, she's more capable of physically handing SM then Lois!"

To me it speaks of far greater love that rather then having to be capable of "handling him." Clark can temper himself--a show of his love and conviction to the woman he loves. 

Also, I grew up on Lois/Superman, soooooooooo.
 
 

I don't like that Batman is a play boy either. In fact it bothers me that he's had as many love interests as he's had. I don't like the rampant promiscuity in western comics both in regards to MEN and WOMEN. Seeing Starfire in the TV show and then in the comics nearly turned me off completely towards comics...

I'd love it Bruce either cut women out entirely or you know...committed but that's not going to happen, So I just ignore getting attatched to any of his love interests. 

Excluding Catwoman of course


I don't mind that OTHER people ship SM/WW, but its not my cup of tea, and I don't appreciate a lot of the arguments proponents for it have used. 




 

I too grew up with lois/clark, I perfer that to ww an SM. It has a strong bond, an is perfect because they dont need her supwrpowered

[hinataiscreepy]

Wai I remember Sasuke did not try to kill sakura like three times... rather four times  .

 

He literally tried to Kirin'ed her ass and team 7.

[Nostradamus]

 

Oh, there's no doubt that a percentage of the fandom enjoys this movie. Many of them would even go so far as to claim that it's the best one out of the bunch.

 

I think the important question is whether or not the majority of fans are approving of what Kishi and Pierrot have done using this recent film. 

The only ones that would enjoy this crap are the pairing fans that never cared about anything else but their pairings happening.

Everyone else is left out, abandoned and insulted by this.

It doesn't matter how many pairings fans there are. It will never ever be enough to outweigh the people that followed the story because of the storyline, the characters, the plot etc.

So the majority of the fans will not approve with what Kishi and SP did.

[Tiller]

The only ones that would enjoy this crap are the pairing fans that never cared about anything else but their pairings happening.

Everyone else is left out, abandoned and insulted by this.

It doesn't matter how many pairings fans there are. It will never ever be enough to outweigh the people that followed the story because of the storyline, the characters, the plot etc.

So the majority of the fans will not approve with what Kishi and SP did.

Hopefully our Japanese NS fans will show up and give us some updates from 2chan and other fan sites. I'm very interested to see how the community is post JF.

[LadyGT]

I'm glad Bryke openly talked about the ending. Such a difference from Kishimoto. They actually cared about their shows unlike him.

Edited by LadyGT, 23 December 2014 - 02:43 AM.

[questdrivencollie]

 

Oh, there's no doubt that a percentage of the fandom enjoys this movie. Many of them would even go so far as to claim that it's the best one out of the bunch.

 

I think the important question is whether or not the majority of fans are approving of what Kishi and Pierrot have done using this recent film. 

Would be nice if there was some kind of statistics or something.

[Atheck]

The only ones that would enjoy this crap are the pairing fans that never cared about anything else but their pairings happening.

Everyone else is left out, abandoned and insulted by this.

It doesn't matter how many pairings fans there are. It will never ever be enough to outweigh the people that followed the story because of the storyline, the characters, the plot etc.

So the majority of the fans will not approve with what Kishi and SP did.

 

Numbers speak louder than rationality in PIerrot's world now. It just so happens that the collective numbers of SS and NH were greater than NS and SK (by how much, who can say exactly). While we might find the movie, the ending, and the upcoming spin-off to be insulting and deplorable to the original messages of the manga, there's still the many who were accepting, even supportive of the end. 

 

If you want to prove that more than 50% of the fans have indeed made their objections towards the movie clear then you should offer some statistical proof. 

 

Would be nice if there was some kind of statistics or something.

 

Ha! You beat me to it. 

Edited by Atheck, 23 December 2014 - 02:45 AM.

[TerrorKing]

I'm just hoping their is tape of Junko telling Kishimoto to stop talking. I wonder if it's was a "there there now my friend enough of that talk" tone or more of a "Oh God just stop it please!" tone.

I'm curious about that as well. Despite what I just said in my reply to Sushi, I hope her comment was more a "Please just shut up" type of comment. Still, I have a feeling it might have just been a gentle "There there. I think that's enought for today" type of comment.      

 

After all, someone needs to call him on his BS and Junko is the right woman for the job.    

Edited by TerrorKing, 23 December 2014 - 02:46 AM.

[Strangelove]

Hopefully our Japanese NS fans will show up and give us some updates from 2chan and other fan sites. I'm very interested to see how the community is post JF.

 

From what I got of my intel, apparently they saw Kishi leaving his house, dressed up as a giant a**hole, who is no doubt a kittening sexist, who puts plot devices in obvious situations, to leap up on unsuspecting fans, just to cram NH and SS down they're kittening throats.

Edited by Strangelove, 23 December 2014 - 02:54 AM.

[Michi]

http://xnanami.tumbl...them-as-friends

I can't get over on how perfect this drawing is.

[Michi]

I wanna cry... that's perfect! T_T What definitely should have been. Look at Hinata and that Hyuga guy too, so cute  

Oh & LOOK!

They all look happy! What should have been.

& I knoooow! I totally forgot about that guy! Since neji died..I was like: welp, he'll do! They would be so cute!

But kishi be like: lol. NOPE.