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[LadyGT]

I'll be honest... I haven't seen much from this "NS week" stuff despite people talking about it. Is it just a fan event in Japan?

The NS events in the past were just made by fans, sorta like a comic alley. I honestly haven't really checked if they are running one this year.

[Comy]

Just finished reading another of luvtoshi's fan fics and i swear it would of been x100 times better then "THE SCARF". It had a good battle scene, it had SAUCE, it had romance, it addressed the hinata hime love issue, it had better/logical ending couples, it had real development.

kitten YOU KI$HI! kitten YOU $P!

[Swagkura]

Meh, I slip in and out of the western comic book scene. Sometimes its REALLY good, like Under The hood ( DC) Civil war (marvel) and sometimes its really bad...
Like Harley Quinn's new super hooker getup  
hatehatehatehatehaaaaate it.  

I like Harley's outfits in the Batman: Arkham Series better. They make her look badass (which she is)

[TouKen4Life3g]

What's new?

[Tiller]

 

 

People don't have to like SS and WW, but it is not a bad thing to have them together if given the right stuff like this

 

 

Agree to disagree. I'll never support splitting up what basically amounts to Jerry and Joanne Siegel in fiction form.  I really think half the reason they are split up is because Joanne continued to push DC Comics and tried to get her husband's creation back, but this isn't the place to keep this going.. I'll never support it, but don't hold it against people who will. Just keep it away from me.

 

 

What's new?

 

Nothing really. We are still waiting on confirmation of stuff, beyond that not much else. We don't even know if NS week is happening.

[luffyq1]

Meh, I slip in and out of the western comic book scene. Sometimes its REALLY good, like Under The hood ( DC) Civil war (marvel) and sometimes its really bad...

Like Harley Quinn's new super hooker getup  
hatehatehatehatehaaaaate it.

 

Well, to each their own. I liked Zutara better then Kataang, so who am I to judge?

But something about the idea of Lois being inferior to WW in regards to Superman because she's a "normal human" bothers me...  

 

yeah it bothers me that harley has become a sex symbol :(

 

 

My problem with it is two folds. First and foremost Lois Lane is based on the woman who Jerry Siegel eventually married. Hell had Jerry had his way Superman and Lois Lane would have been together back in the early 40s with The K-Metal From Krypton. For me if nothing else they shouldn't be split up for that very reason. DC Comics screwed over Siegel enough as it is.

 

Second honestly a lot of fans of SM/WW pissed me off when it was first announced. People who says things like "WW has the body look at those kittens why wouldn't Superman tap that?" (A debate I had once basically amounted to "WW can handle Superman's big D look at that ass!!! Lois isn't half the woman WW is! Lois is what a C cup at most? Superman wouldn't waste his time with that!") The beta males who follow that ship piss me off. Now I'm sure there are people who support SM/WW who aren't dirt bags, but it's hard to ignore certain fans when you've had these debates in the past. For awhile SM/WW was not represented well, and for me really was an example of what is wrong with modern comics. So tired of seeing 40 year old men drooling over pictures of a woman who is suppose to be a symbol of empowerment... but instead is just used as a sex object for their fantasies. Again I know not every SM/WW fan is like that, but frankly some members of that fandom ruined that ship for me long ago.

 

I'm not really a fan of comics right now though. Only DC comic I still look into is Fables, which is coming to a close. Besides that the only western comic I keep up with now is The Walking Dead.

 

Still if nothing else there are different universes for DC and Marvel characters, so you have some options in that regard. With Naruto we have nothing now but what we as fans make. We've been kicked out of the fandom, and honestly Kishimoto can go to hell for that.

ss/ww shippers got it bad too, probably worse. we get called sexist, misogynist, you name it! and a lot of people constantly call it a fauxmance ship. we've been told how bad our comic is sailing, telling us that it'll end next week, and that's been going on for years now. sm/ww is all about equality so i don't really get why people (not you) constantly throw the sexist term at us. in fact, the comic has gotten a lot of praise and has ranked amongst the top 20 in DCs wesdeday releases. in fact, majority of the people who i see hate on sm/ww are clois shippers. some of them are mad because lois is getting side lined, but we are not to blame for that. if people actually supported her, then her one shot comic wouldn't have tanked.

 

and sm/ww has been teased for more than a decade. hell, they even got married and had kids in "kindgdom come".

Edited by luffyq1, 23 December 2014 - 01:24 AM.

[Nostradamus]

even as a standalone movie it's still garbage xD. 

I will never disagree with that statement.

 

Oh man sigh...

Hey man I didn't write that I'm just pointing it out, some idiot wrote that and he actually believed it would be a great thing.

[Liu bie]

Just finished reading another of luvtoshi's fan fics and i swear it would of been x100 times better then "THE SCARF". It had a good battle scene, it had SAUCE, it had romance, it addressed the hinata hime love issue, it had better/logical ending couples, it had real development.

kitten YOU KI$HI! kitten YOU $P!

Link?

[James S Cassidy]

 

Agree to disagree. I'll never support splitting up what basically amounts to Jerry and Joanne Siegel in fiction form.  I really think half the reason they are split up is because Joanne continued to push DC Comics and tried to get her husband's creation back, but this isn't the place to keep this going.. I'll never support it, but don't hold it against people who will. Just keep it away from me.

I'm sorry, but that is slander and I cannot accept that. You base this entire conjecture off of maybe nothing or maybe even only one writer's view...meanwhile another writer maybe just wanted to do something different for once instead of just rehashing Superman and Lois Lane love affair over and over and over again.

Like I said, you seem to have no problem Batman being a playboy...

I think that makes me madder than anything else. Superman gets blamed for being overpowered, a playboy, gritty, and for many other things, but if Batman does it all of a sudden it is okay because he is a playboy millionaire.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 December 2014 - 01:30 AM.

[Comy]

Link?

Enjoy

https://www.fanficti...-was-always-you

 

This one is also very very good

https://www.fanficti...t-s-Get-Married

Edited by Comy, 23 December 2014 - 01:27 AM.

[Narufan85]

I'm just going to drop this in here:

 

 

Just finished reading another of luvtoshi's fan fics and i swear it would of been x100 times better then "THE SCARF". It had a good battle scene, it had SAUCE, it had romance, it addressed the hinata hime love issue, it had better/logical ending couples, it had real development.

kitten YOU KI$HI! kitten YOU $P!

 

luvtoshi has some great fics.

[Liu bie]

I will never disagree with that statement.

 

Hey man I didn't write that I'm just pointing it out, some idiot wrote that and he actually believed it would be a great thing.

Do not worry  it was not you I am upset with them.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

My problem with it is two folds. First and foremost Lois Lane is based on the woman who Jerry Siegel eventually married. Hell had Jerry had his way Superman and Lois Lane would have been together back in the early 40s with The K-Metal From Krypton. For me if nothing else they shouldn't be split up for that very reason. DC Comics screwed over Siegel enough as it is.

 

Second honestly a lot of fans of SM/WW pissed me off when it was first announced. People who says things like "WW has the body look at those kittens why wouldn't Superman tap that?" (A debate I had once basically amounted to "WW can handle Superman's big D look at that ass!!! Lois isn't half the woman WW is! Lois is what a C cup at most? Superman wouldn't waste his time with that!") The beta males who follow that ship piss me off. Now I'm sure there are people who support SM/WW who aren't dirt bags, but it's hard to ignore certain fans when you've had these debates in the past. For awhile SM/WW was not represented well, and for me really was an example of what is wrong with modern comics. So tired of seeing 40 year old men drooling over pictures of a woman who is suppose to be a symbol of empowerment... but instead is just used as a sex object for their fantasies. Again I know not every SM/WW fan is like that, but frankly some members of that fandom ruined that ship for me long ago.

 

I'm not really a fan of comics right now though. Only DC comic I still look into is Fables, which is coming to a close. Besides that the only western comic I keep up with now is The Walking Dead.

 

Still if nothing else there are different universes for DC and Marvel characters, so you have some options in that regard. With Naruto we have nothing now but what we as fans make. We've been kicked out of the fandom, and honestly Kishimoto can go to hell for that.

This goes back to my issue of "Lois is just an ordinary person. WW is better..." I don't like that a lot of people have this mindset that super's should stay with supers and ordinary people with ordinary people. "Wonderwoman is super strong, she's more capable of physically handing SM then Lois!"

To me it speaks of far greater love that rather then having to be capable of "handling him." Clark can temper himself--a show of his love and conviction to the woman he loves. 

Also, I grew up on Lois/Superman, soooooooooo.
 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the comics are really trying to say that. I mean, look at Batman's love affair. He has dated so many female villains, heroes. and the like yet everyone finds this okay or acceptable. Meanwhile, if Superman even thinks of someone else people get mad. So Batman is okay to be a playboy, but Superman is not?

Funny though, but Superman and Wonder Woman is not a new concept and has been around since the silver age of DC comics. People keep saying "Batman and Wonder Woman," but that coupling only existed in the cartoons, not the comics. People have their own taste, but I wish people stop saying things like "Lois Lane humanizes Superman." Not, it was Johnathen and Martha Kent who humanized him and gave him the moral he grew up with. Lois Lane may have loved Superman, but she never really humanized him and in some instances she was nothing more than a girl he fell in love with.

I can also say that Superman and Wonder Woman can work because with both of them being Super heroes and facing dangers together they can build a connection on that and there are some amazing scenes with them together. I think one of my favorite moments is when Diana was injured and well not sure she was dying, but Superman was injured by a nuclear explosion that some how over saturated his cells and made absorbing sunlight hurt him. Despite his own pain and near death, Superman flew Wonder Woman to Mascara to get her healed despite it. So they have great moments that mean a lot.

So to me, it all depends on the writer.

People don't have to like SS and WW, but it is not a bad thing to have them together if given the right stuff like this



Again, this just proves it is not the comics....but rather it is the fanbases who ruin it.

-sigh- which is sad because SS and WW do have amazing scenes that really show true love.

SM/WW

 

I don't like that Batman is a play boy either. In fact it bothers me that he's had as many love interests as he's had. I don't like the rampant promiscuity in western comics both in regards to MEN and WOMEN. Seeing Starfire in the TV show and then in the comics nearly turned me off completely towards comics...

I'd love it Bruce either cut women out entirely or you know...committed but that's not going to happen, So I just ignore getting attatched to any of his love interests. 

Excluding Catwoman of course


I don't mind that OTHER people ship SM/WW, but its not my cup of tea, and I don't appreciate a lot of the arguments proponents for it have used. 




 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Anyone read the explanation of Korra's ending and how they reached to it by the creators themselves? So much opposite from Kishi. I read it and felt very genuine. Not to mention, even quote the great Miyazaki. It's great.

[Chatte]

Anyone read the explanation of Korra's ending and how they reached to it by the creators themselves? So much opposite from Kishi. I read it and felt very genuine. Not to mention, even quote the great Miyazaki. It's great.

eeh, wherE?

[James S Cassidy]

This goes back to my issue of "Lois is just an ordinary person. WW is better..." I don't like that a lot of people have this mindset that super's should stay with supers and ordinary people with ordinary people. "Wonderwoman is super strong, she's more capable of physically handing SM then Lois!"

To me it speaks of far greater love that rather then having to be capable of "handling him." Clark can temper himself--a show of his love and conviction to the woman he loves. 

Also, I grew up on Lois/Superman, soooooooooo.
 

I don't like that Batman is a play boy either. In fact it bothers me that he's had as many love interests as he's had. I don't like the rampant promiscuity in western comics both in regards to MEN and WOMEN. Seeing Starfire in the TV show and then in the comics nearly turned me off completely towards comics...

I'd love it Bruce either cut women out entirely or you know...committed but that's not going to happen, So I just ignore getting attatched to any of his love interests. 

Excluding Catwoman of course


I don't mind that OTHER people ship SM/WW, but its not my cup of tea, and I don't appreciate a lot of the arguments proponents for it have used.

Fair enough, but I am just sick of people bashing Superman and Wonder Woman when really it is not that bad. Hell, they did both in Kingdom Come where Lois eventually passes and then Superman and Wonder Woman fall in love. So why not?

The sad part is, this can relate to Naruto in that even in DC comics it shows how more and more people care more about the couplings than the story. Here, Superman and Wonder Women have scenes of true love, support, and care of each other. Just like Naruto and Sakura we love. In fact, some scenes are almost identical. Yet, instead of looking at the story they rather automatically hate it because "We love Superman and Lois more." Superman and Wonder Woman could have the best written comic of all time with the greatest true realistic love....and yet people will hate it over that pairing choice...which makes me upset and sad

Superman and Lois can sometimes be seen as NaruHina....she is always in danger...and he always has to save her. (Let's be honest, most renditions of Lois have her being this damsel in distress role.) It depends on the writer, but sometimes Lois is depicted as purposely putting herself in danger and expecting Superman to save her. Sometimes even Lex Lampshades this by making this a huge plot to lure out Superman. Sometimes cliche.

1st Bolded: I grew up with both. :)

2nd Bolded: -sigh- oh boy this debate again.

This makes some good points alebit a bit harsh.

That's all I have to say.

Like Naruto, I feel people jsut don't read the New 52 and really see SM and WW relationship as it is and it is really good, but they ignore it because like you just said "I grew up with Lois and Superman and I hate change."

So this only support my claim that we care too much about pairings than we do about actual story telling. In New 52, it is not like Superman dumped Lois and went for Wonder Woman. The relationship was planned from the start because they wanted something different.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 December 2014 - 01:58 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

eeh, wherE?

http://bryankonietzk...rate-it-embrace

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I like Harley's outfits in the Batman: Arkham Series better. They make her look badass (which she is)

Well, its certainly not the WORST outfit she's been given, but I much prefer the old school Harley.

But the whole, Corset, Skirt, Garter belt and kitten can burn on a pyre in hell. 

[Swagkura]

Well, its certainly not the WORST outfit she's been given, but I much prefer the old school Harley.
But the whole, Corset, Skirt, Garter belt and kitten can burn on a pyre in hell.

Yeah, definitely not feeling her new outfit. Way too kinky for me, and it just screams sex doll

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Fair enough, but I am just sick of people bashing Superman and Wonder Woman when really it is not that bad. Hell, they did both in Kingdom Come where Lois eventually passes and then Superman and Wonder Woman fall in love. So why not?

The sad part is, this can relate to Naruto in that even in DC comics it shows how more and more people care more about the couplings than the story. Here, Superman and Wonder Women have scenes of true love, support, and car of each other. Just like Naruto and Sakura we love. In fact, some scenes are almost identical. Yet, instead of looking of at the story they rather automatically hate it because "We love Superman and Lois more." Superman and Wonder Woman could have the best written comic of all time with the greatest true realistic love....and yet people will hate it over that pairing choice...which makes me upset and sad

Superman and Lois can sometimes be seen as NaruHina....she is always in danger...and he always has to save her. (Let's be honest, most renditions of Lois have her being this damsel in distress role.) It depends on the writer, but sometimes Lois is depicted as purposely putting herself in danger and expecting Superman to save her. Sometimes even Lex Lampshades this by making this a huge plot to lure out Superman. Sometimes cliche.

1st Bolded: I grew up with both. :)

2nd Bolded: -sigh- oh boy this debate again.

This makes some good points alebit a bit harsh.

That's all I have to say.

Lois/SM waaaay more development then NH. Way more endearing then it. Like I said, I'm not really into the fandom so it doesn't matter one way or the other to me whether its Lois/SM or WW/SM. its going to be what its going to be. 

 

My issues with Starfire has absolutely nothing to do with me being a feminist--because I am not in line with "FEMINISTS" of today on a kitten ton of stuff. As a matter of fact I would say 99% of internet feminists would hate me and call me a traitor to my gender---Its happened before. 

it has everything to do with me being tired of constant and growing promiscuity of women AND MEN for that matter being considered "empowering" or appealing. There is nothing empowering about having sex with everyone and everything, nearly nil consequences.

There are a LOT of issues I have with western comics and I could detail every single one of them but time, and laaaaaazzzy. 


 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 23 December 2014 - 01:58 AM.